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(LA Times)   "This is DC Entertainment. Operation This Has a 50/50 Shot Of Going Badly is a go"   (latimes.com) divider line 15
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2012-10-21 06:19:38 AM
3 votes:
Oddly enough, since they renamed themselves "DC Entertainment", they come out with almost nothing entertaining.

Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.

But, it's DC. They've been turning chicken salad into chicken shiat since Dan Didio took over in 2003.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-10-21 11:06:26 AM
2 votes:
Justice League movie;

Lex runs for President of the US. Uses his billions and intelligence to win. Global warming is a big issue, so Lex releases a gas in the atmosphere that reduces the the Sun's intensity on Earth. It cools the Earth, but it also makes Superman weaker. Lex also summons Doomsday to kill Superman (running for President was just one giant scheme to get the public to trust him).

Doomsday comes to Earth, kicks the shiat out a weakened Superman. Doomsday doesn't leave when Lex tells him to leave, as he is a weapon of global destruction. Superman goes to Batman/Bruce for help. Batman suggests getting other heroes to help take out Doomsday (Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, and the government's top secret project. Martian Manhunter).

Batman and Lex try to figure out a way to stop Doomsday (using their intelligence), the others use their physical attributes to take Doomsday on. Batman and Lex fight once Batman realizes what Lex did/is doing.

Boom, bam, 500 million dollar movie.
2012-10-21 09:26:02 AM
2 votes:

czetie:
Oh, and one final problem: Batman. With Batman's arc established by the Nolan trilogy, where in that timeline do you fit a Justice League story? Just about any choice is going to create character and continuity problems.


Um, the Batman in a JL movie will most definitely not be the same one in the Nolan movies. I think they've even said that. And if not, its pretty obvious that the Nolan ones are in a different category than standard super hero films. Why would you even think that?

/i feel like Comic Book Guy talking like that
//i swear im married, not obese, etc
2012-10-21 08:38:41 AM
2 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.


Bingo. I'm no comic book nerd, but I actually made sure I saw the Thor movie before going to see the Avengers as I realized I knew fark-all about the character.

Also: and I know this has been said a million times before: people can relate to Batman, to Spider Man, to Tony Stark, to Bruce Banner, etc. They can't relate to Superman; he's a depression-era throwback.

/best thing to do would be to set Superman in the 1930s and move the series slowly forward over the course of three or four films.
//Also, they should really deal with the issues Doctor Who deals with: that Superman is always young and handsome while those he cares about age around him.
2012-10-21 08:32:29 AM
2 votes:
Hey #DCNation fans! Have you heard?? WB has no producer in charge that keeps a dozen meddling suits off creative's back and runs things with a singular vision - like Kevin Feige at Marvel - in which case this project is doomed to fail or have its balls cut off before or during filming!!!
2012-10-21 11:02:06 AM
1 votes:
Outside of Chris Nolan, probably the last time I gave a tug about anything in the main DCU was... maybe Identity Crisis? 52 just made my head hurt. Darkhorse stuff I will still pick up in print and I even watched the Hellboy movies (GdT and Ron Perlman didn't hurt either).

But whoever is responsible for the 5 year plan at DC has been asleep for a decade, seeming only to awake occasionally to yell "Get Grant Morrison to write an issue of something!" before collapsing back into semi-catatonia.
2012-10-21 11:00:20 AM
1 votes:

czetie: /If I were DC I'd be tempted to set the movie 10 to 20 years in the future, with the role of Batman being taken over by a protege Wayne has trained. And I'd throw in lots of inside jokes with other characters commenting about the new Batman not being as dark or as good as the other guy.


They just need to make a Justice League that fits Batman's tone. Do a movie of Starman and use that to grandfather in the Golden Age heroes. It's a shame they cocked up Green Lantern because handled well that could have opened a lot of doors franchise wise. Do a Martian Manhunter movie that adapts the last arc in his solo series, showing how his Apokolips invaded and was repelled, yet corrupeted his brother Malafa'ak who wipes them out. The movie would end with him leaving for Earth, determined to not allow such tragedy happen again, carrying some deus ex machina "Mars seed" that contains all of the martian hivemind just so it has a little hope at the end.
2012-10-21 10:40:32 AM
1 votes:

sure haven't: Um, the Batman in a JL movie will most definitely not be the same one in the Nolan movies. I think they've even said that. And if not, its pretty obvious that the Nolan ones are in a different category than standard super hero films. Why would you even think that?


[Lucius Fox voice]
So DC, you believe that your only established movie franchise is one of the richest, most powerful men in the world who spends his nights as a costumed vigilante beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to throw all that away and start over? Good luck with that.
[End]

So basically, DC has a choice between (a) using the established Batman that millions of moviegoers are familiar with or (b) starting over. In fact, it's worse than starting over, because they have to dislodge the familiar Batman and also suffer the comparison.

As for why I would even think that: Because frankly, I don't pay much attention to what movie companies in general and DC in particular say they are going to do until principal photography starts. And even then I worry about them screwing around with it in post-production.

And yes, it's true that Nolan consciously set out to do something unique in superhero movies, eschewing not merely any supernatural elements but even anything that is not at least within throwing distance of technical and physical plausibility. And in terms of style and atmosphere, it's barely fair to call his take a superhero movie, let alone a comic book movie. I'm almost tempted to say that Batman Begins is closer in spirit to Die Hard than it is to Superman. (The only reason I don't is because of the torrent of abuse from people who take the comparison too literally).

But either way, DC is screwed.

/If I were DC I'd be tempted to set the movie 10 to 20 years in the future, with the role of Batman being taken over by a protege Wayne has trained. And I'd throw in lots of inside jokes with other characters commenting about the new Batman not being as dark or as good as the other guy.
2012-10-21 10:38:58 AM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.


Yeah! Remember the way X-MEN failed miserably and never became a franchise because the characters hadn't been established in previous stand alone movies?
2012-10-21 10:22:22 AM
1 votes:

45cal: Dc can't even keep young justice on the cartoon network I have no faith they can match marvel movie for movie. Plus the only real big bad supervillian they will be able to use will be darkseid and casual folks won't know.who the hell he is and why he is such a badass.


Not to mention the fact that most people would be wondering why they copied the bad guy from the end of The Avengers.

/DC should just stick to animated movies/shows
2012-10-21 10:16:17 AM
1 votes:
Dc can't even keep young justice on the cartoon network I have no faith they can match marvel movie for movie. Plus the only real big bad supervillian they will be able to use will be darkseid and casual folks won't know.who the hell he is and why he is such a badass.
2012-10-21 10:04:52 AM
1 votes:
....Slow, painful, humiliating disaster. If they'd have said, "Look - JLA will be lined up for say, 2017 and we're doing WW, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash between now and then", they could pull this off. If they started NOW, those three movies would be in theatres from the end of 2015 to the end of 2016 (or spring of '17). If they offered Christian Bale enough money to come back as Batman, he'd do it, and so would Ryan Reynolds as GL (He was good as GL, it was the rest of the movie that blew chunks). They've got time to save it, but I don't see them having the smarts to admit that The Plan isn't a good one.
2012-10-21 08:51:48 AM
1 votes:
Unless you're an event coordinator for Comic Con International, this news will mean Jack Squat to you.
2012-10-21 08:45:06 AM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.


This, and also: Avengers works so well as a story (and not merely as a Blow shiat Up Real Good movie) because the characters interact with each other in credible ways, based on their established personalities. When Iron Man and Thor fight over Loki it's not an arbitrary decision merely to give us an awesome fight scene, but because that's what we'd expect of them from their previous movies. How can DC do that when it hasn't established most of the characters?

Another problem that DC will have is that some of these characters are well known -- Wonder Woman, for instance. Without an establishing movie, viewers are going to bring their existing preconceptions about the characters with them, and those preconceptions may be completely wrong for this movie.

Oh, and one final problem: Batman. With Batman's arc established by the Nolan trilogy, where in that timeline do you fit a Justice League story? Just about any choice is going to create character and continuity problems.
2012-10-21 08:34:33 AM
1 votes:
I'm pretty confident that in another two or three years I'll be completely over comic book movies.
 
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