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2012-10-22 09:20:52 AM
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2012-10-22 10:51:55 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Also: and I know this has been said a million times before: people can relate to Batman, to Spider Man, to Tony Stark, to Bruce Banner, etc. They can't relate to Superman; he's a depression-era throwback.


Bullshiat. Relatability is overrated. I don't need to "relate" to characters in order to like them.
 
2012-10-22 11:45:46 AM

rocky_howard: Dwight_Yeast: Also: and I know this has been said a million times before: people can relate to Batman, to Spider Man, to Tony Stark, to Bruce Banner, etc. They can't relate to Superman; he's a depression-era throwback.

Bullshiat. Relatability is overrated. I don't need to "relate" to characters in order to like them.


He probably relates to Thor who is a GOD.
 
2012-10-22 12:56:41 PM

rocky_howard:
Justice League is a known name in the public. People know this is a team and that they work together.


I think you're wrong. The vast majority of people know who Superman is. They know who Batman is. Some may know Wonderwoman (they are imagining supergirl) or the Flash (only because he's the most aptly named hero in existence)

They don't know that they work together. The side character no one cares about are bewildering to people. I had never heard of Martian Manhunter until THIS THREAD.

A Justice League movie is POINTLESS. Just because something exists in the DC universe doesn't mean you should make it. Both the Justice League and the Avengers are corny supergroups made in the 60s to sell more comics. All the thunder and fury about a JLA movie is just executives with dollar signs in their eyes after the Avengers movie.

DC should not try to be an also ran imitator, the public hates that. They should play to their strengths. (Batman and Superman). They already were incredibly successful with Batman, and now I hear people theorizing about them wiping out all that success and popularity to force in a new boring Batman so that it will work with the JLA? Idiotic.

Superman and Batman are probably the two most popular superheros of all time. They're practically primordial. DC should get back to making GOOD Superman movies where his alien god-like nature isn't a detriment to the story because it allows you to show what it means to be and not be human. That's what brings people back to Superman. Not some stupid supergroup or weird villain like Darkseid or even Lex Luthor.
 
2012-10-22 02:25:46 PM

Esc7: rocky_howard:
Justice League is a known name in the public. People know this is a team and that they work together.

I think you're wrong. The vast majority of people know who Superman is. They know who Batman is. Some may know Wonderwoman (they are imagining supergirl) or the Flash (only because he's the most aptly named hero in existence)

They don't know that they work together. The side character no one cares about are bewildering to people. I had never heard of Martian Manhunter until THIS THREAD.

It's okay, even among comic book readers Martian Manhunter is an anomaly lol. I blame it on Superfriends putting him aside back then.

 
2012-10-22 04:58:15 PM

Flappyhead: They gave Superman to Zack "Slow-Mo" Snyder. This is DOA already.


Snyder has a great sense of vision. No one else is quite as good as him at bringing the feel of a graphic novel to the screen without seeming clumsy (even the slo-mo thing was innovative at the time... it just went from fresh to overused in 30 seconds, flat). The major problem he has is that he's not very strong at story-telling.

However, it's being produced by Nolan. If Nolan can mentor Snyder a bit to impress upon him the importance of plot, you might actually get something worth watching. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
2012-10-22 05:04:06 PM

StrangeQ: Dwight_Yeast: Also: and I know this has been said a million times before: people can relate to Batman, to Spider Man, to Tony Stark, to Bruce Banner, etc. They can't relate to Superman; he's a depression-era throwback.

Yep. Kinda hard to have any meaningful conflict when you're working with someone who is essentially invincible



This old complaint, again? Go read how the nerfing of Superman in the 80's inspired Neil Gaiman to make a story about virtually omnipotent characters in order to oppose the theory that limiting his powers improved the stories, which lead to Sandman. Then go and read Red Son and All-Star Superman and then come back and see if you can make the same claim with a straight face.

The character is challenging to write for because he comes with a lot of abilities, but that very challenge means that good authors have to look beyond those elements to make their stories, which pushes them away from the lazy "my guy beats up your guy one-million times, forever!" stories that plague comic books.
 
2012-10-22 05:11:44 PM

Shrugging Atlas: 2015? Meanwhile you'll have at least one sequel to Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and The Avengers all raking in piles and piles of cash. Shiat you might even have two in some cases.

What I find amazing are the number of people I know that farking rave over these movies (The Avengers in particular) that knew absoultely squat about a single one of the characters prior to the movies and probably haven't picked up a comic in decades if ever. That's how good those movies are.

All those solo movies did well on their own and set up The Avengers perfectly. What's DC going to have to set up the JL movie? A farking horrible GL movie from 4 years prior. The latest Superman reboot that I give a 50/50 chance of being entertaining that will be 2-3 years old before the JL movie comes out? And the JL movie will likely feature a villain out of nowhere whereas Avengers used the worked perfectly from the storyline of Loki in the Thor film.


I worry that DC doesn't fully appreciate how carefully Marvel set up the Avengers. They took a real risk introducing non-fans to a lot of characters that only geeks were really familiar with. It was a slow and careful build-up with some setbacks (Ed Norton's Hulk and Iron Man 2 were less than stellar), but which all combined to draw non-initiates into the universe. By the time they got to the Avengers, the general audience was comfortable with the characters and setting and ready to embrace the crazy excess of The Avengers.

In one respect, DC has the problem that people are too familiar with their iconic characters. To make something fresh, they have to give us a take on Superman and Batman that we haven't seen before and that can work within the framework of a team up. That's a hard sell. They also have to come up with a Wonder Woman that gets out from the Lynda Carter version, which is also a challenge since her take was so iconic. Finally, they need to introduce Martian Manhunter and explain to people why the Flash is cool, which are also challenges.

I think that it can be done, but I'm not convinced that DC knows the way. Hopefully, they'll have some talks with their animation division.
 
2012-10-22 06:42:33 PM

Vaneshi: Serial:
/DC should just stick to animated movies/shows

Got to admit I'm a sucker for those animated ones. They aren't Earth shatteringly good but yeah; brain off, a bucket of popcorn and your away.


Agreed.

There is a simple question for DC movies:

Is it animated or directed Christophor Nolan?

If the answer is no, then it will probably suck.
If the answer is yes, then it will probably be pretty good.

"Man of Steel" occupies some sort of middle ground where we don't know, since Nolan didn't direct, but supposedly has creative input.  Justice league will probably suck balls.
 
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