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2012-10-21 06:19:38 AM  
Oddly enough, since they renamed themselves "DC Entertainment", they come out with almost nothing entertaining.

Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.

But, it's DC. They've been turning chicken salad into chicken shiat since Dan Didio took over in 2003.
 
2012-10-21 08:12:47 AM  
They gave Superman to Zack "Slow-Mo" Snyder. This is DOA already.
 
2012-10-21 08:32:29 AM  
Hey #DCNation fans! Have you heard?? WB has no producer in charge that keeps a dozen meddling suits off creative's back and runs things with a singular vision - like Kevin Feige at Marvel - in which case this project is doomed to fail or have its balls cut off before or during filming!!!
 
2012-10-21 08:34:33 AM  
I'm pretty confident that in another two or three years I'll be completely over comic book movies.
 
2012-10-21 08:38:41 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.


Bingo. I'm no comic book nerd, but I actually made sure I saw the Thor movie before going to see the Avengers as I realized I knew fark-all about the character.

Also: and I know this has been said a million times before: people can relate to Batman, to Spider Man, to Tony Stark, to Bruce Banner, etc. They can't relate to Superman; he's a depression-era throwback.

/best thing to do would be to set Superman in the 1930s and move the series slowly forward over the course of three or four films.
//Also, they should really deal with the issues Doctor Who deals with: that Superman is always young and handsome while those he cares about age around him.
 
2012-10-21 08:45:06 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.


This, and also: Avengers works so well as a story (and not merely as a Blow shiat Up Real Good movie) because the characters interact with each other in credible ways, based on their established personalities. When Iron Man and Thor fight over Loki it's not an arbitrary decision merely to give us an awesome fight scene, but because that's what we'd expect of them from their previous movies. How can DC do that when it hasn't established most of the characters?

Another problem that DC will have is that some of these characters are well known -- Wonder Woman, for instance. Without an establishing movie, viewers are going to bring their existing preconceptions about the characters with them, and those preconceptions may be completely wrong for this movie.

Oh, and one final problem: Batman. With Batman's arc established by the Nolan trilogy, where in that timeline do you fit a Justice League story? Just about any choice is going to create character and continuity problems.
 
2012-10-21 08:50:29 AM  

Flappyhead: They gave Superman to Zack "Slow-Mo" Snyder. This is DOA already.


Zach Snyder is alright if he has adult supervision. Chris Nolan's the executive producer of The Man of Steel as well as the writer, so I'm hoping that Nolan teaches Snyder a thing or two.
 
2012-10-21 08:51:48 AM  
Unless you're an event coordinator for Comic Con International, this news will mean Jack Squat to you.
 
2012-10-21 09:22:38 AM  
I'll watch if Batman has to resign himself to killing the other members of the Justice League one-by-one in order to save humanity from a de-facto superhero dictatorship. So, I probably won't watch this.
 
2012-10-21 09:26:02 AM  

czetie:
Oh, and one final problem: Batman. With Batman's arc established by the Nolan trilogy, where in that timeline do you fit a Justice League story? Just about any choice is going to create character and continuity problems.


Um, the Batman in a JL movie will most definitely not be the same one in the Nolan movies. I think they've even said that. And if not, its pretty obvious that the Nolan ones are in a different category than standard super hero films. Why would you even think that?

/i feel like Comic Book Guy talking like that
//i swear im married, not obese, etc
 
2012-10-21 10:04:52 AM  
....Slow, painful, humiliating disaster. If they'd have said, "Look - JLA will be lined up for say, 2017 and we're doing WW, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash between now and then", they could pull this off. If they started NOW, those three movies would be in theatres from the end of 2015 to the end of 2016 (or spring of '17). If they offered Christian Bale enough money to come back as Batman, he'd do it, and so would Ryan Reynolds as GL (He was good as GL, it was the rest of the movie that blew chunks). They've got time to save it, but I don't see them having the smarts to admit that The Plan isn't a good one.
 
2012-10-21 10:16:17 AM  
Dc can't even keep young justice on the cartoon network I have no faith they can match marvel movie for movie. Plus the only real big bad supervillian they will be able to use will be darkseid and casual folks won't know.who the hell he is and why he is such a badass.
 
2012-10-21 10:22:22 AM  

45cal: Dc can't even keep young justice on the cartoon network I have no faith they can match marvel movie for movie. Plus the only real big bad supervillian they will be able to use will be darkseid and casual folks won't know.who the hell he is and why he is such a badass.


Not to mention the fact that most people would be wondering why they copied the bad guy from the end of The Avengers.

/DC should just stick to animated movies/shows
 
2012-10-21 10:38:58 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.


Yeah! Remember the way X-MEN failed miserably and never became a franchise because the characters hadn't been established in previous stand alone movies?
 
2012-10-21 10:40:32 AM  

sure haven't: Um, the Batman in a JL movie will most definitely not be the same one in the Nolan movies. I think they've even said that. And if not, its pretty obvious that the Nolan ones are in a different category than standard super hero films. Why would you even think that?


[Lucius Fox voice]
So DC, you believe that your only established movie franchise is one of the richest, most powerful men in the world who spends his nights as a costumed vigilante beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to throw all that away and start over? Good luck with that.
[End]

So basically, DC has a choice between (a) using the established Batman that millions of moviegoers are familiar with or (b) starting over. In fact, it's worse than starting over, because they have to dislodge the familiar Batman and also suffer the comparison.

As for why I would even think that: Because frankly, I don't pay much attention to what movie companies in general and DC in particular say they are going to do until principal photography starts. And even then I worry about them screwing around with it in post-production.

And yes, it's true that Nolan consciously set out to do something unique in superhero movies, eschewing not merely any supernatural elements but even anything that is not at least within throwing distance of technical and physical plausibility. And in terms of style and atmosphere, it's barely fair to call his take a superhero movie, let alone a comic book movie. I'm almost tempted to say that Batman Begins is closer in spirit to Die Hard than it is to Superman. (The only reason I don't is because of the torrent of abuse from people who take the comparison too literally).

But either way, DC is screwed.

/If I were DC I'd be tempted to set the movie 10 to 20 years in the future, with the role of Batman being taken over by a protege Wayne has trained. And I'd throw in lots of inside jokes with other characters commenting about the new Batman not being as dark or as good as the other guy.
 
2012-10-21 11:00:20 AM  

czetie: /If I were DC I'd be tempted to set the movie 10 to 20 years in the future, with the role of Batman being taken over by a protege Wayne has trained. And I'd throw in lots of inside jokes with other characters commenting about the new Batman not being as dark or as good as the other guy.


They just need to make a Justice League that fits Batman's tone. Do a movie of Starman and use that to grandfather in the Golden Age heroes. It's a shame they cocked up Green Lantern because handled well that could have opened a lot of doors franchise wise. Do a Martian Manhunter movie that adapts the last arc in his solo series, showing how his Apokolips invaded and was repelled, yet corrupeted his brother Malafa'ak who wipes them out. The movie would end with him leaving for Earth, determined to not allow such tragedy happen again, carrying some deus ex machina "Mars seed" that contains all of the martian hivemind just so it has a little hope at the end.
 
2012-10-21 11:01:23 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: Yeah! Remember the way X-MEN failed miserably and never became a franchise because the characters hadn't been established in previous stand alone movies?


No, but I do remember when the first movie introduced part of the team and some of their backstories, while actors who didn't actually have any lines until the sequel appeared in bit or cameo parts or sometimes just as background action, and I remember how the second movie built on that.

Shame they never made a third to finish the trilogy.
 
2012-10-21 11:02:06 AM  
Outside of Chris Nolan, probably the last time I gave a tug about anything in the main DCU was... maybe Identity Crisis? 52 just made my head hurt. Darkhorse stuff I will still pick up in print and I even watched the Hellboy movies (GdT and Ron Perlman didn't hurt either).

But whoever is responsible for the 5 year plan at DC has been asleep for a decade, seeming only to awake occasionally to yell "Get Grant Morrison to write an issue of something!" before collapsing back into semi-catatonia.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-10-21 11:06:26 AM  
Justice League movie;

Lex runs for President of the US. Uses his billions and intelligence to win. Global warming is a big issue, so Lex releases a gas in the atmosphere that reduces the the Sun's intensity on Earth. It cools the Earth, but it also makes Superman weaker. Lex also summons Doomsday to kill Superman (running for President was just one giant scheme to get the public to trust him).

Doomsday comes to Earth, kicks the shiat out a weakened Superman. Doomsday doesn't leave when Lex tells him to leave, as he is a weapon of global destruction. Superman goes to Batman/Bruce for help. Batman suggests getting other heroes to help take out Doomsday (Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, and the government's top secret project. Martian Manhunter).

Batman and Lex try to figure out a way to stop Doomsday (using their intelligence), the others use their physical attributes to take Doomsday on. Batman and Lex fight once Batman realizes what Lex did/is doing.

Boom, bam, 500 million dollar movie.
 
2012-10-21 11:14:00 AM  

Serial:
/DC should just stick to animated movies/shows


Got to admit I'm a sucker for those animated ones. They aren't Earth shatteringly good but yeah; brain off, a bucket of popcorn and your away.
 
2012-10-21 11:16:38 AM  

MBK: Justice League movie;

Lex runs for President of the US. Uses his billions and intelligence to win. Global warming is a big issue, so Lex releases a gas in the atmosphere that reduces the the Sun's intensity on Earth. It cools the Earth, but it also makes Superman weaker. Lex also summons Doomsday to kill Superman (running for President was just one giant scheme to get the public to trust him).

Doomsday comes to Earth, kicks the shiat out a weakened Superman. Doomsday doesn't leave when Lex tells him to leave, as he is a weapon of global destruction. Superman goes to Batman/Bruce for help. Batman suggests getting other heroes to help take out Doomsday (Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, and the government's top secret project. Martian Manhunter).

Batman and Lex try to figure out a way to stop Doomsday (using their intelligence), the others use their physical attributes to take Doomsday on. Batman and Lex fight once Batman realizes what Lex did/is doing.

Boom, bam, 500 million dollar movie.


I really like this....
 
2012-10-21 11:23:19 AM  

MBK: Justice League movie;

Lex runs for President of the US. Uses his billions and intelligence to win. Global warming is a big issue, so Lex releases a gas in the atmosphere that reduces the the Sun's intensity on Earth. It cools the Earth, but it also makes Superman weaker. Lex also summons Doomsday to kill Superman (running for President was just one giant scheme to get the public to trust him).

Doomsday comes to Earth, kicks the shiat out a weakened Superman. Doomsday doesn't leave when Lex tells him to leave, as he is a weapon of global destruction. Superman goes to Batman/Bruce for help. Batman suggests getting other heroes to help take out Doomsday (Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, and the government's top secret project. Martian Manhunter).

Batman and Lex try to figure out a way to stop Doomsday (using their intelligence), the others use their physical attributes to take Doomsday on. Batman and Lex fight once Batman realizes what Lex did/is doing.

Boom, bam, 500 million dollar movie.


I'd watch it.

With the exception of Batman, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter the rest of the Justice League is too cartoony. Superman is too invulnerable unless you throw a plot device at him, Wonder Woman is about the same, Flash runs really fast....wheee, and unless Cthulhu is involved Aquaman is the worst comic hero ever.
 
2012-10-21 11:32:43 AM  
Since DC should stick with a Batman Vs. Superman movie(s). They're the only movies that have worked for them. At least in our lifetime.

This game of catch up with Marvel is not going to work. Having to rush this sort of thing is not optimal. If they wanted tried and true they should back up the Brinks up to Christian Bale's house and get him signed up, sign up Ryan Reynolds maybe get Anne Hathaway since she did a great job as Catwoman. All the other JL characters will have to be given a bit of a back story.
DC needs a game plan.

Marvel had a game plan that paid off not just in money but in nerd boners. Who could ask for more?

/Twilight ruined Comic-Con.
 
2012-10-21 11:34:54 AM  

Walt_Jizzney: MBK: Justice League movie;

Lex runs for President of the US. Uses his billions and intelligence to win. Global warming is a big issue, so Lex releases a gas in the atmosphere that reduces the the Sun's intensity on Earth. It cools the Earth, but it also makes Superman weaker. Lex also summons Doomsday to kill Superman (running for President was just one giant scheme to get the public to trust him).

Doomsday comes to Earth, kicks the shiat out a weakened Superman. Doomsday doesn't leave when Lex tells him to leave, as he is a weapon of global destruction. Superman goes to Batman/Bruce for help. Batman suggests getting other heroes to help take out Doomsday (Flash, GL, Wonder Woman, and the government's top secret project. Martian Manhunter).

Batman and Lex try to figure out a way to stop Doomsday (using their intelligence), the others use their physical attributes to take Doomsday on. Batman and Lex fight once Batman realizes what Lex did/is doing.

Boom, bam, 500 million dollar movie.

I really like this....


Yeah seriously... I would pay to see that twice in IMAX...

/damn man, market that
 
2012-10-21 11:51:00 AM  

czetie: [Lucius Fox voice]
So DC, you believe that your only established movie franchise is one of the richest, most powerful men in the world who spends his nights as a costumed vigilante beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to throw all that away and start over?
Good luck with that.
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Titty sprinkles.
[End]

 

There we go.
 
2012-10-21 11:55:00 AM  
The last Christopher Reeve Superman was only 2 years before the first Michael Keaton Batman. If the Superman franchise hadn't been screwed up, Reeve was still in shape and a credible team-up could have happened in the early 1990s.
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-21 12:07:06 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.


Wrong.

Also, "the correct Marvel way" was only correct for Marvel.

Justice League is a known name in the public. People know this is a team and that they work together. They've been in the public imaginarium for 4 decades. Nobody knew who the Avengers were. Heck, even in the comics Avengers was a failed property until Mark Millar modernized the franchise with The Ultimates, which was a gangbusters success. That's why Marvel took it as the basis for the movie universe.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern are names people know. Aquaman is super famous too, almost more than any other hero out there, but he's the butt of jokes lol, so he may fall into the "don't care" part you mentioned. Not that it matters though, since they have Batman and Superman together in a movie. That in itself is enough to have a big ad campaign.

Also, they don't need to spend 3/4 of the movie on exposition. Superman and Batman have origins known by everybody. Flash and Green Lantern are quite straightforward (hit by a lightning / recruited by space cops) and they hardly are what motivate them so no need to tell a dramatic story around it. Wonder Woman, although an icon, is the one who needs her origin exposed and if you tie it to the story, then there you go.

Heck, if it were to me I'd go one step further: Use a Watchmen style long intro credits with little vignettes detailing the characters origins in a montage.

Only squared people with no imagination say "has to be like Avengers" because they can't think of anything else (and didn't think of Avengers either).

When you watched Predator, you didn't need a backstory and origin for all the characters. You just rolled with it and it was epic, one of the best action movies of all time.

In terms of superheroes, X-Men and Watchmen both had a team and both didn't explain most of the origins.

This is gonna be a superhero movie, people know there are superheroes in them, no need to treat people becoming superheroes like a novelty.

I'm also tired of "origin movies". For most characters, the origin is the most boring part. I want adaptations of great stories. Not regurgitation of origin movie formula, since almost all end up being the same. I'm also farking tired of the hero-villain symmetry where the villain creates the hero who in turns creates the villain.
 
2012-10-21 12:27:32 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: FirstNationalBastard: Also, they're doing it wrong. They're throwing a bunch of characters almost no one has heard of or care about into a movie with Batman and Superman instead of doing it the correct Marvel way and establishing the majority of them in their own films first so people know who they are and don't need to sit through approximately three-quarters of a movie's worth of exposition to get up to speed on just who these people are, why they're together, and why you should give a damn.

Bingo. I'm no comic book nerd, but I actually made sure I saw the Thor movie before going to see the Avengers as I realized I knew fark-all about the character.

Also: and I know this has been said a million times before: people can relate to Batman, to Spider Man, to Tony Stark, to Bruce Banner, etc. They can't relate to Superman; he's a depression-era throwback.

/best thing to do would be to set Superman in the 1930s and move the series slowly forward over the course of three or four films.
//Also, they should really deal with the issues Doctor Who deals with: that Superman is always young and handsome while those he cares about age around him.


I feel like you're trolling, because no true scotsman would point to the cinematic abortion that was Thor and say "Ya, they did it right there!"
 
2012-10-21 12:28:15 PM  
80/20

If there's one thing DC has proven over and over, it is that they just don't get it.

Does anyone who saw Green Lantern think the JLA film has a chance? Does anyone who saw that last Superman abortion think the JLA film has a chance? Jonah Hex? Catwoman?

The Batman films worked because they were good films, and they are the exception. If DC can recognize that it was good writing and directorial freedom that made the Batman films work, the JLA film might have a chance. But given everything else DC has done, I'm just not feeling it.
 
2012-10-21 12:29:46 PM  

unlikely: Does anyone who saw Green Lantern think the JLA film has a chance? Does anyone who saw that last Superman abortion think the JLA film has a chance? Jonah Hex? Catwoman?

The Batman films worked because they were good films, and they are the exception. If DC can recognize that it was good writing and directorial freedom that made the Batman films work, the JLA film might have a chance. But given everything else DC has done, I'm just not feeling it.


Man of Steel will be the test.

I'm worried because they want to "accelerate develop" the JLA movie. That translates into "Eh, it's probably gonna stink."
 
2012-10-21 12:34:23 PM  

rocky_howard:

Only squared people with no imagination say "has to be like Avengers


Like the money men in movie studios you mean? It's going to be Avengers, scene for scene with just enough changes to not get sued. It'll be bland, it'll have lots of explosions, it'll make hundreds of millions at the box office and like any good movie it'll never turn a profit (as far as the books are concerned at any rate).

But no it won't be imaginative at all.
 
2012-10-21 12:36:06 PM  
They only way I can think of it working would be if they took the basic story and character arcs of the New Frontier series and updated them for present day. Yes, you wold lose a huge part of the charm of the series if you take it out of the 50s time period, but you could still use the main story beats as the skeleton of a good story of the Justice League coming together to fight a big threat. Mix and match that basic plot with bits and pieces of some other great comic stories to put some meat on the bones of the movie (like how the Dark Knight series used parts of Year One, The Long Halloween, Knightfall, No Man's Land, and The Dark Knights Returns without directly adapting any one of them), and I think you could create a pretty good Justice League film.
 
2012-10-21 12:43:07 PM  

sure haven't: czetie:
Oh, and one final problem: Batman. With Batman's arc established by the Nolan trilogy, where in that timeline do you fit a Justice League story? Just about any choice is going to create character and continuity problems.

Um, the Batman in a JL movie will most definitely not be the same one in the Nolan movies. I think they've even said that. And if not, its pretty obvious that the Nolan ones are in a different category than standard super hero films. Why would you even think that?

/i feel like Comic Book Guy talking like that
//i swear im married, not obese, etc


Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you are both mistaken. First off, doesn't the last Batman movie open with an 8 year gap where Batman hasn't been seen? This gives him plenty of time to have left Gotham and ran around with the Justice League.

Second, they would have to use this Batman. Its established, and was done correctly. Huge market here just to bring him back again. And Christian Bale is on board now that he sees what Robert Downey Jr scored with Avengers.
 
2012-10-21 12:43:21 PM  
2015? Meanwhile you'll have at least one sequel to Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and The Avengers all raking in piles and piles of cash. Shiat you might even have two in some cases.

What I find amazing are the number of people I know that farking rave over these movies (The Avengers in particular) that knew absoultely squat about a single one of the characters prior to the movies and probably haven't picked up a comic in decades if ever. That's how good those movies are.

All those solo movies did well on their own and set up The Avengers perfectly. What's DC going to have to set up the JL movie? A farking horrible GL movie from 4 years prior. The latest Superman reboot that I give a 50/50 chance of being entertaining that will be 2-3 years old before the JL movie comes out? And the JL movie will likely feature a villain out of nowhere whereas Avengers used the worked perfectly from the storyline of Loki in the Thor film.

I suppose they can pull off a JL movie, but it seems like they are really going about it all wrong.
 
2012-10-21 12:51:49 PM  
Also, one other thing in regards to bad decisions in DC movies. How the fark did Bryan Singer manage to have Parker Posey in Superman Returns, yet not wind up having her play the updated version of Margot Kidder's Lois Lane? She would have been PERFECT for that.
 
2012-10-21 12:52:39 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: 2015? Meanwhile you'll have at least one sequel to Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and The Avengers all raking in piles and piles of cash. Shiat you might even have two in some cases.

What I find amazing are the number of people I know that farking rave over these movies (The Avengers in particular) that knew absoultely squat about a single one of the characters prior to the movies and probably haven't picked up a comic in decades if ever. That's how good those movies are.

All those solo movies did well on their own and set up The Avengers perfectly. What's DC going to have to set up the JL movie? A farking horrible GL movie from 4 years prior. The latest Superman reboot that I give a 50/50 chance of being entertaining that will be 2-3 years old before the JL movie comes out? And the JL movie will likely feature a villain out of nowhere whereas Avengers used the worked perfectly from the storyline of Loki in the Thor film.

I suppose they can pull off a JL movie, but it seems like they are really going about it all wrong.


"DC announced JL movie for 2015" =/= "DC will only announce a JL movie and nothing else ever."

Anyway, the problem here is that Marvel Studios is an entity that only exists to make superhero movies.

WB (like FOX and Sony) is an entity that exists to make movies. Some of them will be superhero. They can't just allocate all their resources into superhero movie making.

If there was a DC Studios, we'd see more movies (and arguably of better quality.)
 
2012-10-21 01:32:53 PM  

Kimpak: Justice League is too cartoony


Well, duh! Let's just have fun.
 
2012-10-21 01:32:59 PM  

rocky_howard: Shrugging Atlas: 2015? Meanwhile you'll have at least one sequel to Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and The Avengers all raking in piles and piles of cash. Shiat you might even have two in some cases.

What I find amazing are the number of people I know that farking rave over these movies (The Avengers in particular) that knew absoultely squat about a single one of the characters prior to the movies and probably haven't picked up a comic in decades if ever. That's how good those movies are.

All those solo movies did well on their own and set up The Avengers perfectly. What's DC going to have to set up the JL movie? A farking horrible GL movie from 4 years prior. The latest Superman reboot that I give a 50/50 chance of being entertaining that will be 2-3 years old before the JL movie comes out? And the JL movie will likely feature a villain out of nowhere whereas Avengers used the worked perfectly from the storyline of Loki in the Thor film.

I suppose they can pull off a JL movie, but it seems like they are really going about it all wrong.

"DC announced JL movie for 2015" =/= "DC will only announce a JL movie and nothing else ever."

Anyway, the problem here is that Marvel Studios is an entity that only exists to make superhero movies.

WB (like FOX and Sony) is an entity that exists to make movies. Some of them will be superhero. They can't just allocate all their resources into superhero movie making.

If there was a DC Studios, we'd see more movies (and arguably of better quality.)


Uhhhhh... No. They don't have the brains at the top. To get there they'd need time which they don't want to use, remember? They want to rush a JL movie.
 
2012-10-21 02:46:37 PM  

SomeoneDumb: I'm pretty confident that in another two or three years I'll be completely over comic book movies.


I'm already over them. The recent batch are decent, but still Hollywoodized to hell.
 
2012-10-21 03:25:52 PM  

rocky_howard: "DC announced JL movie for 2015" =/= "DC will only announce a JL movie and nothing else ever."


It may not necessarily equate to "will only announce a JL movie and nothing else ever" but it's damn close.

We're closing out 2012 and the only thing on the books related to any of the JL characters is the latest Superman reboot. There's word of a GL sequel which has no dates attached much less writers. If they're going to reboot Batman to make him more "JLish" as has been rumored then time is running short. There's not even a rumor of a film surrounding any of the other characters. They have two Summers prior to the JL 2015 date, and there's no way anything beyond Superman makes it to theaters next year. So they had better get working mighty fast to get any JL-related movies out in theaters prior to 2015.

Maybe they don't bother....It's not like Batman, Superman, even Wonder Woman require the level of buildup some of the Avengers characters really needed, but it would likely help so they don't make the entire JL movie into an 'origin' film for half a dozen different characters. Think of all the screen time saved in Avengers not having to explain where the charcters come from, why and how they're together, the cosmic cube, Loki, etc. That film greatly benefited from the background established in the other movies and their quick post-credit scenes.
 
2012-10-21 03:35:46 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: rocky_howard: "DC announced JL movie for 2015" =/= "DC will only announce a JL movie and nothing else ever."

It may not necessarily equate to "will only announce a JL movie and nothing else ever" but it's damn close.

We're closing out 2012 and the only thing on the books related to any of the JL characters is the latest Superman reboot. There's word of a GL sequel which has no dates attached much less writers. If they're going to reboot Batman to make him more "JLish" as has been rumored then time is running short. There's not even a rumor of a film surrounding any of the other characters. They have two Summers prior to the JL 2015 date, and there's no way anything beyond Superman makes it to theaters next year. So they had better get working mighty fast to get any JL-related movies out in theaters prior to 2015.

Maybe they don't bother....It's not like Batman, Superman, even Wonder Woman require the level of buildup some of the Avengers characters really needed, but it would likely help so they don't make the entire JL movie into an 'origin' film for half a dozen different characters. Think of all the screen time saved in Avengers not having to explain where the charcters come from, why and how they're together, the cosmic cube, Loki, etc. That film greatly benefited from the background established in the other movies and their quick post-credit scenes.


I agree with you on all of your major points, although I still don't think a JL movie needs pre-solo movies or at least as many pre-solo movies as Avengers needed.

Regarding the JL announcement, notice that they announced it right after they secured the rights to Superman. There was a legal battle and if WB had lost it, they'd lose the Superman rights in 2013, so they'd have to drop anything with Superman in it. Now that's settled and they have the rights, production on a JL movie can go ahead, which is what they did. It was a symbolic statement more than anything.

I think they'll have at least 1 movie between Man of Steel and Justice League. You can do a movie in a year / year and a half, so at least one film in 2014 isn't out of the equation.

I'd still have preferred to have a World's Finest movie before a JL movie. That'd be perfect for setting up the universe and they could introduce Wonder Woman with it.

And c'mon, think about it:

World's Finest.

Superman
Batman
Joker
Luthor

That'd make 2 billion dollars easily.
 
2012-10-21 05:02:00 PM  

rocky_howard: I'd still have preferred to have a World's Finest movie before a JL movie. That'd be perfect for setting up the universe and they could introduce Wonder Woman with it.

And c'mon, think about it:

World's Finest.

Superman
Batman
Joker
Luthor

That'd make 2 billion dollars easily.


Oh most definitely. I'd pay to see that 10 times before a JL movie. I have to be honest....Superman and Batman together are the only reason I want to see a JL movie anyway. The only other characters that interest me at all are GL (tainted by the movie) and Martian Manhunter (be surprised if he's even in it). As for the villains, I'd much prefer some sort of Luthor/Pick a Batman villain combo over any of the main JL villains.
 
2012-10-21 09:30:21 PM  

45cal: Dc can't even keep young justice on the cartoon network I have no faith they can match marvel movie for movie. Plus the only real big bad supervillian they will be able to use will be darkseid and casual folks won't know.who the hell he is and why he is such a badass.


Despero/Starro. Either villain doesn't have to have great name recognizition and can provide a big enough challenge for the team. You don't have to explain 'alien invasion' to the average filmgoer either.
 
2012-10-21 10:32:09 PM  
As crazy as it sounds, I think a Justice League movie without Superman would be much better. He just upsets the balance of the league too much without using some lame excuse to lessen his power. Stick with Superman individual movies in his own universe, and a JL movie in a separate universe, and you could have a wiinner.
 
2012-10-22 12:13:52 AM  

halB: I feel like you're trolling, because no true scotsman would point to the cinematic abortion that was Thor and say "Ya, they did it right there!"


Like I said, I'm not a comic book nerd, but I needed to know about the character, so I watched the movie. I didn't comment on the quality of it (I think it was almost a good film, and I got what they were trying for, but I think it didn't quite work).
 
2012-10-22 12:16:53 AM  

45cal: Dc can't even keep young justice on the cartoon network I have no faith they can match marvel movie for movie.


Tell me about those long lasting Marvel cartoons such as Sensational Spider-Man, Wolverine & The X-Men, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

Oh wait. Sensational got raped 2 13-episode seasons in. W&XM only lasted 1 26-ep season and A:EMH got LOEB'D in the 2nd season.

CN execs being idiots has little to do with DC.

Plus the only real big bad supervillian they will be able to use will be darkseid and casual folks won't know.who the hell he is and why he is such a badass.

Suuuure, cause that Thanos fella caused such a roar at the end of Avengers.

Oh wait, 99.99% of the theater went "Who?!"
 
2012-10-22 01:09:15 AM  
I don't get why people keep thinking "Young Justice" got cancelled. It's been postponed to 2013, I admit but my understanding is that it's to pump up the DC Nation block, as at the moment it's just YJ and that Green Lantern cartoon, soon they're going to have the new Batman cartoon, and Teen Titans Go!, which would make it a 2 hour block.

As for a JL movie, if they really really stretched the Amanda Waller character in the GL movie, they could do a Project Cadmus arc, which is relatively popular for adaption in recent years. (They have played big parts of JL, JLU and YJ) they could probably back door a series of movies similar to Marvel in that way, but it's difficult to say.
 
2012-10-22 02:40:16 AM  
I always thought a Trinity movie was the way to start this off, as opposed to just World's Finest or a full blown Justice League. No origin stories. You've got your bankable mains in Supes, Bats and Wonder Woman. Whatever the threat is in that first movie, you end it with foreshadowing at the end that it was nothing compared to what's coming and they're going to need a bigger team. Maybe the main villain of movie one is someone cosmic like Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern controlled by Starro (or go whole hog and have all of the rest of of your movie two JL roster). Once they're free of the mind control, they warn of Brainiac or Darkseid coming for the sequel.
 
2012-10-22 02:59:38 AM  

rocky_howard: 45cal: Dc can't even keep young justice on the cartoon network I have no faith they can match marvel movie for movie.

Tell me about those long lasting Marvel cartoons such as Sensational Spider-Man, Wolverine & The X-Men, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

Oh wait. Sensational got raped 2 13-episode seasons in. W&XM only lasted 1 26-ep season and A:EMH got LOEB'D in the 2nd season.

CN execs being idiots has little to do with DC.


Yeah, if it doesn't move toys it's dead regardless of quality. Although to be fair, I think Spider-man was more a victim of rights changing hands than anything else. They haven't actually cancelled GL and Young Justice but given what happened to the Thundercats reboot, I'm not sure they'll live for much longer which is a damn shame.

I'm still cautiously optimistic that Loeb won't wreck Avengers any more than he already has, and that Avengers Assemble is going to be a definite continuation of Earth's Mightiest in the vein of Justice League Unlimited. Although given the voice actors are changing, I'm guessing it will be a sequel in name only to appease the fans and never really reference the first series.
 
2012-10-22 09:16:51 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Also: and I know this has been said a million times before: people can relate to Batman, to Spider Man, to Tony Stark, to Bruce Banner, etc. They can't relate to Superman; he's a depression-era throwback.


Yep. Kinda hard to have any meaningful conflict when you're working with someone who is essentially invincible.

/superman vs batman: superman drops skyscraper on batman, superman wins.
 
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