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(All Voices)   Romney family buys voting machines for Ohio through Bain Capital investment. It's not a conflict of interest if you're rich   (allvoices.com) divider line 96
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2012-10-20 09:40:26 PM
16 votes:
why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.
2012-10-20 09:22:10 PM
12 votes:
We're talking about a party that destroyed a country so that a company the Vice President was was former CEO of could have a no bid contract to rebuild it. Republicans are not known for being subtle about their shadiness.
2012-10-20 09:50:05 PM
10 votes:

davidphogan: FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.

You socialist.


AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?

...because more people would vote, obviously. and that is bad for republicans.
2012-10-20 10:30:51 PM
9 votes:

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


Among other things, there are republicans whonconstantly screech about getting rid of min wage laws, and just last year our good friend Gingrich openly talked about abolishing child labor laws.

The child labor comments make me sick. I had never been so furious in my entire life at politics. It also cemented my burgeoning view that the gop was not just a box to store all the crazed religious zealots and bigots, but actually a party of evil determined to go back to the dark ages of our past.

Say what you will about dems, but at least they mean well in regards to the poor, unlike the religious hypocrites.
2012-10-20 10:22:27 PM
9 votes:

FlashHarry: ok, well, let's make voting machine tampering a hanging offense then.


I'm actually in favor of this - subverting democracy is tantamount to treason which is punishable by death.
2012-10-20 09:43:43 PM
9 votes:
teapartywpbfl.files.wordpress.com 

/hotlinked from a teabagger site
//oh, the irony
2012-10-20 09:58:20 PM
7 votes:

cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.


No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.
2012-10-20 10:40:37 PM
6 votes:
if Obama did this it would be on the front page of infowars and it would be the only story on Fox News for the upcoming week
2012-10-21 03:06:47 AM
5 votes:
So let me get this straight... The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

Take a step back and think about that for a moment... here it is again... to help it sink in:

The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

And you want us to trust your judgement about anything? Really?
2012-10-20 10:44:10 PM
5 votes:
i75.photobucket.com

Whether or not the 2004 conspiracy theory has merit and whether or not the only chance the Republicans have is criminal action one thing is clear. The conflict of interest and the lack of transparency that voting machines are rife with is a problem. It is not enough to do right, one must avoid the appearance of doing wrong.

Then again even that isn't enough if you're a democrat, see birtherism.
2012-10-20 10:28:35 PM
5 votes:

WordyGrrl: Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?


And thats the problem right there. It was a stupid thing to do. Because whether they are tampered with or not it's a horrible move from a PR standpoint.
2012-10-20 10:21:13 PM
5 votes:
ok, well, let's make voting machine tampering a hanging offense then.
2012-10-21 03:42:31 AM
4 votes:

JohnnyC: So let me get this straight... The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

Take a step back and think about that for a moment... here it is again... to help it sink in:

The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

And you want us to trust your judgement about anything? Really?


Seriously, this.

Black guys stand outside a polling station, intimidate nobody: OUTRAGE.
ACORN workers hand it fraudulent registrations, which are immediately reported as such, in an attempt to get paid a little more: OUTRAGE.

President is elected because of voting 'issues' in a state governed by his brother" *crickets*
Presidential candidate's family buys voting machines in a crucial swing state: *Crickets*.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Republicans will do anything to get in power. And anyone who is willing to break the rules to get power should not be in power And the sad thing is, a good chunk of the country will STILL vote for the scumbags just to stick it to the imaginary "Liberals".

It doesn't matter that their view of the opposition is based on a strawman..."Liberal" is just a label for "the enemy", just like "Communist" was during the McCarthy era. It's a convenient way to get the poorer classes to vote against their interests. And it's sickening.
2012-10-21 12:03:35 AM
4 votes:
Jesus Christ, you can't enter most competitions if a relative works for the company, but a Presidential candidate's son can buy a fkn voting machine business?

And dickheads in this thread are trying to say that people who look askance at this are conspiracy nuts or something?

Can you imagine the shiatstorm if Obama's sister bought one of these companies?

FOX would start a whole new channel dedicated to this one fkn story. "Conservatives" would not shut up, EVER. Gun and ammo sales would go through the roof.

Obama kicked ass in a free and fair election four years ago, and huge numbers of "conservatives" still think he's "illegitimate."
2012-10-20 11:05:23 PM
4 votes:

NFA: Also, if we can force young people to register with the Selective Service, then why not require them to register to vote at the same time?


Becuase that would be the end of the Republican party. At least in it's current incarnation.



Republicans can't win without stacking the deck. Actually pretty much their entire philosophy in life is cheat to win and then fark everyone else.
2012-10-20 10:56:13 PM
4 votes:
Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

If it is true that the goddam son of a Presidential candidate owns the voting machines in Ohio I hope he gets nailed to the wall. I don't give a shiat if Tagg and his company are pure as the freshly driven snow, it's farking unethical as hell.
2012-10-20 10:35:14 PM
4 votes:

ScreamingHangover: So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


We all have our political beliefs and until neutral robots with hearts of gold can maintain and execute our voting practices for us, there is always the danger of tampering and conflicts of interest.

That said, the man running for office shouldnt have anything to do with the machines responsible for electing him.
2012-10-20 09:40:45 PM
4 votes:

cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.
2012-10-20 08:31:22 PM
4 votes:

GAT_00: Well that's a subtle way to steal an election.


There's too much money on the line not to win this one by any means necessary.
2012-10-20 10:58:57 PM
3 votes:

ghostmorphine: I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore


Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.
2012-10-20 10:54:48 PM
3 votes:
You know, after further thought, I don't care anymore because math is math. I still believe Obama is going to win Ohio by at least three points and sweep Iowa, Nevada, and Colorado. That alone should get the job done.

But if he loses, knowing everything we know now, America can kiss an entire generation (my generation) goodbye from its democratic process. And it's a shame because I think apathy ruins society more than any corrupt politician. But you can only play people for fools so long before they decide they don't want to play anymore.

It's not money that's the root of all evil, it's the love of money. A story like this comes out--election buying at its most literal--and millions of citizens aren't saying, "That's outrageous! Somebody needs to go to jail!" but rather, "Golly, I wish I had that kind of money." And that's how this happens.
2012-10-20 10:44:16 PM
3 votes:
I'm more concerned with the deployment and operation of voting machines on election day. Poor, minority areas "break down" or come in extremely limited numbers while the suburban areas get two walls full.
2012-10-20 10:43:11 PM
3 votes:
If Romney wins through underhanded means, imagine the epic LULZ during the 3 1/2 months Obama still controls the DOJ and all its parts. It's the Chicago way,
2012-10-20 10:24:58 PM
3 votes:
Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?
2012-10-20 10:19:00 PM
3 votes:

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


So any evidence of GOP shenanigans (systematic voter suppression, billboards intimidating voters in poor neighborhoods, voter registrations being thrown in the trash by Republican operatives, voting material in Spanish listing the wrong day to vote, etc) cannot be used as evidence in this thread that they're willing to do just about anything, no matter how shady, to win?

Got it.
2012-10-20 10:15:42 PM
3 votes:
And people wonder why early voting has been skewing Democrat...
2012-10-20 10:09:54 PM
3 votes:

cman: quickdraw: cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.

Now who's deflecting?


You were the one who brought up sociology. Not my fault if you dont have a real grasp of the discipline.
2012-10-20 09:19:38 PM
3 votes:
The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?
2012-10-20 08:17:59 PM
3 votes:

Amos Quito: This could be a riot if he wins.


You mean like it was when Bush did the same thing in 2004?
2012-10-21 06:23:54 AM
2 votes:

Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.
if Obama loses a rigged election, he wouldn't actually be voted out

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.


I hope you're trolling, because most reasonable people and most liberals would rather see Romney in the White House than see Obama win a rigged election. If the only way a candidate can win is to cheat then that candidate doesn't deserve to win. It's despicable to suggest that you'd accept the results of a rigged election just to have the candidate you don't support removed from office.

/supporting election fraud isn't very patriotic
2012-10-21 03:46:04 AM
2 votes:
Eisenhower was right. Military-industrial complex is what is backing Romney. That's why they want more wars. Sell more weapons.

They had best repent, or they will rot in hell.

/not joking
2012-10-21 02:53:56 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.
2012-10-21 02:17:21 AM
2 votes:
Imagine the headline:

Craig Robinson, brother-in-law of President Obama, buys voting machines in Ohio.

...just f*cking IMAGINE what AM radio would sound like...the internet would shut down as the entire series of tubes asploded from overload...just imagine

But a Romney buys voting machines in swing states, and libs are delusional paranoids grasping at straws.

The right has a shiat-fit over what time Obama used which words...but a candidate's son buying voting machines? No prob. 

Un-farking-believable
2012-10-21 12:47:11 AM
2 votes:

Brainsick: Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.


Vote by mail is fantastic. Oregon here, just received my ballot today. Will set aside some time to complete it tomorrow and take it to the ballot drop a few blocks from my house (saves me a stamp).

The President will get my vote (though he'll win Oregon with or without it). Looking forward to giving a finger to the war on drugs, also - voting yes on Measure 80.
2012-10-21 12:22:37 AM
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Obama kicked ass in a free and fair election four years ago, and huge numbers of "conservatives" still think he's "illegitimate."


And him losing reelection will solidify their four-year campaign to delegitimize his place in history. Undo the good he accomplished while gifting credit for an inevitable recovery to a plutocrat who did fark all to deserve the White House besides persistently lying and withholding details of his brilliant plan.

So vote. You run a risk of having your vote not count if you do, but your vote DEFINITELY won't count if you stay home.
2012-10-20 11:28:46 PM
2 votes:
If it is close, they will steal it.
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-10-20 10:59:01 PM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?


Great idea...

Also, if we can force young people to register with the Selective Service, then why not require them to register to vote at the same time?
2012-10-20 10:41:11 PM
2 votes:

ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.
2012-10-20 10:39:44 PM
2 votes:

ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


Are any of those people directly employed by Obama or his immediate family? No? Then you're comparing apples and orangutans.

/Ooga-booga unions.
//Ooga-booga, I say.
2012-10-20 10:31:43 PM
2 votes:
In Bizarro-world, there are massive congressional investigations after Obama purchased a scantron that looks kinda like a voting sheet.
2012-10-20 10:20:58 PM
2 votes:
Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.
2012-10-20 10:15:30 PM
2 votes:

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.

Now who's deflecting?

You were the one who brought up sociology. Not my fault if you dont have a real grasp of the discipline.

Hah.

Nah man, I was being a smart ass


What a coincidence! Me too!
2012-10-20 10:01:35 PM
2 votes:

cman: quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.


Oh so you think the hegemonic elite is rigging the election?
2012-10-20 09:43:28 PM
2 votes:

Mugato: cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.


Damn, three seconds off.
2012-10-20 09:42:51 PM
2 votes:

Mugato: What's with the deflection?


He's not interested in the actual issue, just Democrats bad.
2012-10-20 09:40:48 PM
2 votes:

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


What does that have to do with this?
2012-10-20 09:33:26 PM
2 votes:

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.
2012-10-20 09:31:29 PM
2 votes:

MorrisBird: a_bilge_monkey: Who do the dems have ready for 2016?

Andrew Cuomo, Sherrod Brown, Hillary Clinton.


Cuomo is the best bet. If we're lucky, Cory Booker is interested in higher office.
2012-10-20 08:07:53 PM
2 votes:
Well that's a subtle way to steal an election.
2012-10-21 01:07:07 PM
1 votes:

infinite or drunken eight: There is no logical way to deny this is not epically shady:

There are literally tens-of-thousands of public and private companies that one could invest in. But of all the companies in the world, the ROE from investing in Hart Intercivic simply could not be ignored!!!!.


It's right in line with Romney's blind trust manager also being his personal lawyer and long time friend, and that the trust invested $10 million into his campaign manager's hedge fund

Contrast this with Obama's approach, from the same article linked above:

"As a freshman senator, Barack Obama-whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties-set up a blind trust...decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds-about the most transparent option available. ...."

Romney isn't fit for president. Obama and the Liberals are far from 'optimum', but that people are so passionate about advancing the fortunes of a Republican machine screwing them over so hard is a modern wonder of social engineering.
2012-10-21 10:50:15 AM
1 votes:

NFA: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Brilliant


I wonder if it is galling to Americans (with a brain) that most third world countries now have both better health care systems and more secure democratic processes than you.
2012-10-21 07:49:00 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.


And that's part of why, on election day, I will not vote for anyone with an R next to their name. An I or a D, sure. An R? No way in farking hell. They've proven time and time again that they are party before country and a danger to us all.
2012-10-21 07:48:02 AM
1 votes:

ItchyMcDoogle: They think the Dems and every dem voter won't be watching with a microscope. They think the Dems forgot about the 2000 election and they think that If romney gets elected that paybacks for the crap they pulled in the last four years are not going to be a beiatch. Good luck with that.


Except they know they control most of the media. And the media they don't directly control is terrified of coming off as "liberally biased".

If the election is stolen, no matter how much evidence there is, Fox and the 'tards on AM radio will shriek about "libs" being poor losers. Other mainstream outlets may report on the 'allegations' of fraud, but will quietly drop it as the Christmas season rolls around. And, since there's almost no chance that Congress will end up with a filibuster-proof Dem majority, Republicans can hold up any investigations. And I have no faith that the current SCOTUS would rule against even the most blatant Republican fraud.
2012-10-21 07:07:06 AM
1 votes:

MurphyMurphy: I hear they will actually be rigged to vote for Obama

It's Tagg's ultimate Oedipal revenge for his dad naming him Tagg.

/I think I just used a made up word, it's all good though


Tagg is not a made up word, just a creative name.

/oh, wait
2012-10-21 05:50:10 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.


i560.photobucket.com
2012-10-21 04:18:59 AM
1 votes:
So is the one who bought them the same douchecanoe that said he wanted to take a swing at the president?
If so... Well shiat.
2012-10-21 02:25:19 AM
1 votes:

SouthParkCon: whidbey: SouthParkCon: herpa derpa

doo

Slurpy, Slurp.


That's how your posts sound to people who don't watch Fox News.
2012-10-21 02:15:55 AM
1 votes:

SouthParkCon: herpa derpa


doo
2012-10-21 02:00:46 AM
1 votes:

SouthParkCon: derp


You were saying?
2012-10-21 01:46:03 AM
1 votes:
Chance of Liberal Loss = Frequency of Rigged Election Conspiracy Stories
2012-10-21 01:25:03 AM
1 votes:
Apparently it's too much to ask that the party that's been suppressing voters at all levels of command since before the election even started not be the ones purchasing voting machines. I'm somehow supposed to extend the benefit-of-the-doubt to a bunch of monsters who shred voter registration forms? You're asking me to be naive to the point of complacency.
2012-10-21 01:03:39 AM
1 votes:
Voting machines should have the tightest possible safeguards.

1. Not connected to the internet at any time nor to each other.
2. The votes should be stored with in each separate voting machine.
3. Their should always be a paper trail to back up the electronic data.
4. There should be multiple keys required to extract the voting data or upgrade the machine or input data to prepare for an upcoming election. No one at the election sites should have they keys.
5. all machines must be stored in a secured location and guarded location be tween elections , all upgrades and data input must be carried out under armed guard and each machine shall be checked for viruses or malware before being dispatched to voting sites under armed guard.
6. if a machine is replaced for any reason the machine being replaced should be destroyed by incineration.
7. they should be manufactured by the federal goverment. No elected official should have access to the manufacturing facility. This includes the president.
2012-10-21 12:19:33 AM
1 votes:
Hanging chads gave us 8 years of Bush and over a decade of war.
2012-10-21 12:09:29 AM
1 votes:
Not ONE "conservative" in this thread is willing to admit this is at MINIMUM sketchy. Or admit if it were Obama rather than Romney, it would be a national crisis from the right.

Not a farking SHRED of honesty from any of you "conservatives".
2012-10-21 12:04:08 AM
1 votes:

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


I have the weirdest boner right now.
2012-10-20 11:50:17 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.

Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


-The elections weren't close enough.

-The heat was on, (Try to remember there had been shenanigans like shiatty machines just not working in 2004 and that whole Ohio thing with destroyed records and mysterious deaths) and it was bad enough Diebold had to change its name.

-Shenanigans of this sort are always at state and county level, if the states they're in don't matter; they don't matter.

I actually don't believe in the 2004 conspiracy theory (More specifically I think any shenanigans were too incompetent to have an effect) but you need a better "Armor-piercing question" than that.

And once again, it's a question of appearances. If I were to hold a "Gobama" sign right outside a polling station on election day it wouldn't change the results, but it would be illegal and rightfully so. Candidates for public office should not own the companies counting the votes nor should the companies counting the votes be ANYTHING but open and transparent.
2012-10-20 11:48:25 PM
1 votes:

cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio?


Well, the guy that was programming the things was killed in a small airplane accident the day before he was going to testify there was something amiss with the voting machines in Ohio.

Reminds me of when CIA director Casey died of a brain tumor the week before he was going to testify before congress.
2012-10-20 11:42:35 PM
1 votes:
"sick" is exactly the right tag for this
2012-10-20 11:41:08 PM
1 votes:
Will FOX cover this story?
2012-10-20 11:27:45 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


If you could drop the partisan bullshiat for two minutes, you don't think this is even a little shady?
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-10-20 11:23:22 PM
1 votes:
i75.photobucket.com

Brilliant
2012-10-20 11:17:56 PM
1 votes:

There is no logical way to deny this is not epically shady:

There are literally tens-of-thousands of public and private companies that one could invest in. But of all the companies in the world, the ROE from investing in Hart Intercivic simply could not be ignored!!!!.

Seriously, a family with quite possibly hundreds of millions of dollars had to act on this deal. After all, how many investment opportunities come by like this in someone's life. How could they possibly predict that these crazy left wing commies could manifest some conspiracy theory that this investment might be a huge red alert?

Mitt, Ann, Tagg, and G. Scott's response: "nope...not one of us thought this might be an issue. Who could possibly imply anything suspect? We really just like this business model for voting machines...Really...It comes from our deep faith..It does...Why are you laughing?...I don't get it?"

2012-10-20 11:16:13 PM
1 votes:

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean people weren't concerned.

And if your not concerned about a candidate's son deciding to get into the business of voting machines you are very silly, indeed.
2012-10-20 11:14:39 PM
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Mrtraveler01: OWS was one of those things where they had the right idea/intention but it was horribly executed.


Oh, look, someone else who knows what we should have done and should be doing and won't lift a finger. Please, share your thoughts.

Also, WRT TFA, this is farked up and an obvious conflict of interest. If this was going on in another country the US would be raising hell and demanding to send in observers.
2012-10-20 11:07:49 PM
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Saturn5: The Great EZE: Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.


OWS was one of those things where they had the right idea/intention but it was horribly executed.
2012-10-20 11:04:33 PM
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Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


No one in their right mind believed for 1 second that McCain would win
2012-10-20 10:58:45 PM
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cman: Mugato: cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.

Its about Sociology. Politics is sociology.

When you have an enemy, whatever your enemy does, no matter how innocent it may be, is automatically a move meant to beat you. I aint saying that these folk arent gonna use it to steal the elections; what I am saying is that people jump to the worst possible conclusion because they perceive everything that the other side does as an attack.

I dont trust these farkers at all. I, however, understand that you should not always assume the very worse.

That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.


This has nothing to do with the discussion other than to deflect attention away from the topic of Romney's meddling in our electoral system. Ever hear of a thing called conflict of interest?
2012-10-20 10:52:39 PM
1 votes:
Exit polling is the best way to know if the machines aren't working, if the exit polls and the actual results don't match up then it is time to start freaking out over conspiracies. That being said, I agree with a lot of people on here who have pointed out that if Obama was connected to those machines in any way we would not stop hearing the GOP shout about it up to and probably well past the election. I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore
2012-10-20 10:47:11 PM
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Feral_and_Preposterous: Why isn't the mainstream news talking about this? Seems like this is something they would fall all over themselves getting the scoop on...


Liberal media bias, of course!

You notice how the Republican voter registration fraud is all over the news every day, just like the ACORN "scandal"?

Yeah, neither have I...

Liberal media my ASS.
2012-10-20 10:45:50 PM
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cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


No, you don't. But you DO look farking stupid using that phrase to start a complaint.
2012-10-20 10:43:31 PM
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Gwyrddu: ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?

The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.


I totally agree. I think that using computers for the election is a good idea because it can help those who have seeing problems or the voters naive tongue. I don't trust machines to do the counting. I believe that the people should use the machines to vote, the machine prints out a paper indicating their vote, the paper is submitted and counted.
2012-10-20 10:38:19 PM
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Pants full of macaroni!!: So my vote for Vermin Supreme won't be counted?


I'll probably vote for him, actually. I don't want Romney and I'm not really an Obama supporter(then again, I'm in Texas and voting for Obama would be useless anyways). If the Libertarians would dump their "absolute free market" and "free trade" bullshiat, I'd support them 100%. 

As long as I'm dreaming, I might as well win the lottery, too.
2012-10-20 10:38:13 PM
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kimwim: a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?

O'Malley from Maryland. My money's on him.


At the rate the Republicans are pulling to the right, Rubio or Huntsman might actually get the Democratic nomination in 2016.

No, I didn't mistype that.
2012-10-20 10:32:39 PM
1 votes:
So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?
2012-10-20 10:31:46 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: internal polls


Is "internal poll" Repub-speak for "gut feeling"? Because that's what I think. Try to imagine your reaction if Obama's wife, brother, and mother all had these connections. I guarantee

Mrbogey: baseless conspiracy theories


would be the least of the right-wing response


/If this isn't illegal, it should be
2012-10-20 10:24:14 PM
1 votes:

cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.


Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?
2012-10-20 10:07:24 PM
1 votes:

cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.


Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.
2012-10-20 10:04:06 PM
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quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.

Oh so you think the hegemonic elite is rigging the election?


Did I say that? No, the article said it:


What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.
2012-10-20 09:59:57 PM
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quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.


...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.
2012-10-20 09:50:22 PM
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FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency in China

.


Sorry, but we're talking about Bain and the Romney klan here.
2012-10-20 09:41:45 PM
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FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency.


Because that would have to get through Congress.
2012-10-20 09:39:27 PM
1 votes:

a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?



O'Malley from Maryland. My money's on him.
2012-10-20 09:31:45 PM
1 votes:
b-b-b-b-but www.microclear.co.uk
2012-10-20 08:51:43 PM
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Pulling out all the stops on this one aren't they?
2012-10-20 08:10:41 PM
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GAT_00: Well that's a subtle way to steal an election.


Is it really theft if you pay for it?

I keed!

I would want to know just how much of the total fund the voting machine company makes up. And how much influence the fund has on it.
2012-10-20 07:41:54 PM
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Stay Classy Mitt.
 
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