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2012-10-21 02:34:46 AM
Even if this was totally innocent and legitimate, no one in the Romney campaign, or Romney family, or Romney himself thought, "Hold on, this is going to look really bad."

No, it's just Romney saying, "Fark you, peons." As usual.
 
2012-10-21 02:34:58 AM
This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.
 
2012-10-21 02:37:08 AM

Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.



Richard Pryor Movies? Or wait, I think I counted a few Volkswagens in there or something. Didn't get the rest of the references. Anyone else?
 
2012-10-21 02:42:47 AM

whidbey: Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.


Richard Pryor Movies? Or wait, I think I counted a few Volkswagens in there or something. Didn't get the rest of the references. Anyone else?


Beats me. Why pack me up if this guy's moving to Canada?
 
2012-10-21 02:45:34 AM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Brainsick: Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.

Vote by mail is fantastic. Oregon here, just received my ballot today. Will set aside some time to complete it tomorrow and take it to the ballot drop a few blocks from my house (saves me a stamp).

The President will get my vote (though he'll win Oregon with or without it). Looking forward to giving a finger to the war on drugs, also - voting yes on Measure 80.


Michigan here.

Unless you're over 65 you need a "reason" to vote absentee. Since my work (non partisan non profit) does Get Out The Vote whatnot every election day I get to check "do not expect to be in district". Got my absentee ballot last week - since I *always* work/volunteer out of my district on election day, I now get *asked* by my clerk via mail if I need an absentee ballot before every election. An extra step but random school board only election? Yeah I got it.

It's my own vote by mail.

Still jelly though.
 
2012-10-21 02:53:56 AM
i.imgur.com

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.
 
2012-10-21 02:57:44 AM
In fairness, rigging the voting machines in a critical state and putting your dad in the White House would be a pretty sound investment.

If one did such things...
 
2012-10-21 03:06:47 AM
So let me get this straight... The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

Take a step back and think about that for a moment... here it is again... to help it sink in:

The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

And you want us to trust your judgement about anything? Really?
 
2012-10-21 03:20:01 AM

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


Yes, yes, and yes. But those aren't opinion questions.
 
2012-10-21 03:26:39 AM
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
2012-10-21 03:42:31 AM

JohnnyC: So let me get this straight... The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

Take a step back and think about that for a moment... here it is again... to help it sink in:

The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

And you want us to trust your judgement about anything? Really?


Seriously, this.

Black guys stand outside a polling station, intimidate nobody: OUTRAGE.
ACORN workers hand it fraudulent registrations, which are immediately reported as such, in an attempt to get paid a little more: OUTRAGE.

President is elected because of voting 'issues' in a state governed by his brother" *crickets*
Presidential candidate's family buys voting machines in a crucial swing state: *Crickets*.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Republicans will do anything to get in power. And anyone who is willing to break the rules to get power should not be in power And the sad thing is, a good chunk of the country will STILL vote for the scumbags just to stick it to the imaginary "Liberals".

It doesn't matter that their view of the opposition is based on a strawman..."Liberal" is just a label for "the enemy", just like "Communist" was during the McCarthy era. It's a convenient way to get the poorer classes to vote against their interests. And it's sickening.
 
2012-10-21 03:46:04 AM
Eisenhower was right. Military-industrial complex is what is backing Romney. That's why they want more wars. Sell more weapons.

They had best repent, or they will rot in hell.

/not joking
 
2012-10-21 03:52:22 AM

log_jammin: the more things change, the more they stay the same.


Look, you might have survived Cleveland, but this is the FPT, vato...
 
2012-10-21 03:59:16 AM

whidbey: log_jammin: the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Look, you might have survived Cleveland, but this is the FPT, vato...


Over Macho Grande?
 
2012-10-21 04:18:59 AM
So is the one who bought them the same douchecanoe that said he wanted to take a swing at the president?
If so... Well shiat.
 
2012-10-21 05:39:19 AM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-21 05:50:10 AM

LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 05:50:43 AM

Gwyrddu: Oh and to add to the speculation

Miami County Ohio Election official resigns under weird circumstances

Now there very well be an innocuous explanation for all of this, but there is enough of an appearance of impropriety that I'm going to conclude fraud was involved if Romney wins Ohio in contradiction to all the polling data which says Obama has the lead in the state.


That and the way Husted is still restricting early voting hours despite the SCOTUS telling him he can't.
 
2012-10-21 05:50:51 AM

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 06:16:32 AM

LordJiro: It doesn't matter that their view of the opposition is based on a strawman..."Liberal" is just a label for "the enemy", just like "Communist" was during the McCarthy era. It's a convenient way to get the poorer classes to vote against their interests. And it's sickening.


It wasn't even new then. Hearts and Pulitzier did it in the late 19th century to turn Socialists, Communists, Wobblies, Trade unionists and anyone else who stood up for worker's rights into bomb-throwing radicals in the eyes of the general public.
 
2012-10-21 06:23:54 AM

Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.
if Obama loses a rigged election, he wouldn't actually be voted out

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.


I hope you're trolling, because most reasonable people and most liberals would rather see Romney in the White House than see Obama win a rigged election. If the only way a candidate can win is to cheat then that candidate doesn't deserve to win. It's despicable to suggest that you'd accept the results of a rigged election just to have the candidate you don't support removed from office.

/supporting election fraud isn't very patriotic
 
2012-10-21 06:47:33 AM

Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.


Man i hope your kidding or just trolling. So how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?
 
2012-10-21 07:07:06 AM

MurphyMurphy: I hear they will actually be rigged to vote for Obama

It's Tagg's ultimate Oedipal revenge for his dad naming him Tagg.

/I think I just used a made up word, it's all good though


Tagg is not a made up word, just a creative name.

/oh, wait
 
2012-10-21 07:24:59 AM
They think the Dems and every dem voter won't be watching with a microscope. They think the Dems forgot about the 2000 election and they think that If romney gets elected that paybacks for the crap they pulled in the last four years are not going to be a beiatch. Good luck with that.
 
2012-10-21 07:35:15 AM
Your blog sucks.
 
2012-10-21 07:47:09 AM
cman: Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

I'm glad to see you finally thinking.
 
2012-10-21 07:48:02 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: They think the Dems and every dem voter won't be watching with a microscope. They think the Dems forgot about the 2000 election and they think that If romney gets elected that paybacks for the crap they pulled in the last four years are not going to be a beiatch. Good luck with that.


Except they know they control most of the media. And the media they don't directly control is terrified of coming off as "liberally biased".

If the election is stolen, no matter how much evidence there is, Fox and the 'tards on AM radio will shriek about "libs" being poor losers. Other mainstream outlets may report on the 'allegations' of fraud, but will quietly drop it as the Christmas season rolls around. And, since there's almost no chance that Congress will end up with a filibuster-proof Dem majority, Republicans can hold up any investigations. And I have no faith that the current SCOTUS would rule against even the most blatant Republican fraud.
 
2012-10-21 07:49:00 AM

LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.


And that's part of why, on election day, I will not vote for anyone with an R next to their name. An I or a D, sure. An R? No way in farking hell. They've proven time and time again that they are party before country and a danger to us all.
 
2012-10-21 08:00:27 AM

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


Yeah, I'm sure if Michelle Obama purchased voting machines in a swing state you and the rest of our friends on the Right would smile and say "oh, that's nice" instead of screaming bloody murder.
 
2012-10-21 08:07:22 AM
What November 6th May Look Like

/replace 2008 with 2012 and McCain with Romney
 
2012-10-21 08:09:28 AM

heinekenftw: LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.

And that's part of why, on election day, I will not vote for anyone with an R next to their name. An I or a D, sure. An R? No way in farking hell. They've proven time and time again that they are party before country and a danger to us all.


Yep. Voting Democrat for national elections. If any third parties are running for local seats, I may vote for them.

But I wouldn't vote Republican if there was a gun to my farking head.
 
2012-10-21 08:32:34 AM

whidbey: log_jammin: the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Look, you might have survived Cleveland, but this is the FPT, vato...


and this farkingggg eleectiiionnnnn can INSTALL ANYBODY!!!!

/gunfire
 
2012-10-21 08:48:50 AM

Kevin72: The only dead voter Republicans ever found was a man who voted absentee and died before the election.


That's because the dead are *really good* at hiding.
 
2012-10-21 09:10:59 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Kevin72: The only dead voter Republicans ever found was a man who voted absentee and died before the election.

That's because the dead are *really good* at hiding.


some of the best hide and go seek players I've ever come across.
 
2012-10-21 09:25:15 AM

cman: quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.


would you still be saying this if it were Soros or Kerry buying the machines? Somehow I doubt it...
 
2012-10-21 09:58:40 AM

randomjsa: Chance of Liberal Loss = Frequency of Rigged Election Conspiracy Stories


Now, let's pass a bunch of voting restrictions while screaming about Democrats and voter fraud.
 
2012-10-21 10:50:15 AM

NFA: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Brilliant


I wonder if it is galling to Americans (with a brain) that most third world countries now have both better health care systems and more secure democratic processes than you.
 
2012-10-21 11:01:19 AM

xria: NFA: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Brilliant

I wonder if it is galling to Americans (with a brain) that most third world countries now have both better health care systems and more secure democratic processes than you.


That's impossible. America is exceptional, so her health care systems and democratic process are best in the world, by definition.
 
2012-10-21 11:04:33 AM
The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.
 
2012-10-21 11:08:38 AM

You Are All Sheep: The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.


As someone pointed out earlier, a paper trail is useless if the recount is done by the same machines that generated the erroneous count in the first place.
 
2012-10-21 11:21:31 AM
Can you imagine the outcry if a close relative of Obama's owned vote-counting machines? Mass pants-shiatting would ensue. There would not be one set of magical underwear left unspoiled in the nation.
 
2012-10-21 11:29:19 AM
So the Romney family chose a new investment, did they? I thought they were supposed to be savvy investors; one wonders why their holdings in electronic voting machines aren't more diversified.
 
2012-10-21 11:35:12 AM

qorkfiend: You Are All Sheep: The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.

As someone pointed out earlier, a paper trail is useless if the recount is done by the same machines that generated the erroneous count in the first place.


Nope, you 'hanging chad' it. Hand count. I've been taught since I was young that the most important thing I can do as an american citizen is to vote. For it to be gamed so easily is reprehensible. If I can get a receipt for a pack of gum, I should be able to get one for voting.
 
2012-10-21 11:35:53 AM
Granted, I haven't watched a lot of news today but Fark and now FB are the only places that I'm seeing this story covered. WTF America?
 
2012-10-21 11:45:22 AM

You Are All Sheep: qorkfiend: You Are All Sheep: The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.

As someone pointed out earlier, a paper trail is useless if the recount is done by the same machines that generated the erroneous count in the first place.

Nope, you 'hanging chad' it. Hand count. I've been taught since I was young that the most important thing I can do as an american citizen is to vote. For it to be gamed so easily is reprehensible. If I can get a receipt for a pack of gum, I should be able to get one for voting.


Of course, but if the state's election laws pass over a hand recount (much more time-consuming and prone to "observer bias") in favor of an electronic one...
 
2012-10-21 11:55:41 AM

Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.

Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


They didn't want to use the same tactics thrice?

For the record, I don't really believe that the GOP stole the 2004 elections. I think they did a lot of shady near-disenfranchising in important, Democratic areas, but that and stuff like the Swift Boat BS is a lot more reflective of "eking out the election through underhanded means" than "stealing it."

At this point, though, you really have to be an idiot or disingenuous to believe that the 2000 election wasn't stolen. But of course by nothing as blatant as simply hacking voting machines. Loads of black people stricken off the voting roles in Florida because their names happened to be similar to those of felons? Denying a perfectly justifiable recount? Confusing ballots in a county full of elderly Democrats? It's not even conspiracy stuff, it's common sense.
 
2012-10-21 12:01:17 PM

cptrios: Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.

Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.

They didn't want to use the same tactics thrice?

For the record, I don't really believe that the GOP stole the 2004 elections. I think they did a lot of shady near-disenfranchising in important, Democratic areas, but that and stuff like the Swift Boat BS is a lot more reflective of "eking out the election through underhanded means" than "stealing it."

At this point, though, you really have to be an idiot or disingenuous to believe that the 2000 election wasn't stolen. But of course by nothing as blatant as simply hacking voting machines. Loads of black people stricken off the voting roles in Florida because their names happened to be similar to those of felons? Denying a perfectly justifiable recount? Confusing ballots in a county full of elderly Democrats? It's not even conspiracy stuff, it's common sense.


For farks sake, the fact that things were so shady and mucked-up in a state run by the brother of the candidate who ended up winning should raise bigass red flags.
 
2012-10-21 12:30:46 PM

TheBigJerk: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Whether or not the 2004 conspiracy theory has merit and whether or not the only chance the Republicans have is criminal action one thing is clear. The conflict of interest and the lack of transparency that voting machines are rife with is a problem. It is not enough to do right, one must avoid the appearance of doing wrong.

Then again even that isn't enough if you're a democrat, see birtherism.


Yeah, I'm going to call bunk on much of that comparison. I worked for an election supply company in Michigan. First off, the public is welcome to any and all equipment certifications before elections. By law the clerks must post notices in local papers and on community notice boards that a testing will be done at x time and y place. a test cannot be conducted if no member of the public shows up. We have a test deck of ballots that anyone can inspect that are designed to give certain repeatable results. The public can actually feed those ballots into the machine themselves, the tally is printed up and inspected to be correct. Once this is done, the machine has its tally cleared and is then sealed with a lock with a serial number, which is recorded by the tester, the clerk, and anyone else who cares to do so, to ensure that nothing else can be changed between testing certification and the actual election.

As to the software.... While it is proprietary, anyone with a remedial education in computer programming working for the township/city/county clerks can easily tell you how it works and what exactly it does. It is not complicated software.

The machines themselves (the ones I worked with use paper ballots) cannot be tampered with wirelessly, are about as technologically advanced as an Atari 2600, and the chipset had to be certified by the state before they could be used, so I'm pretty sure they have chips to compare to if things were really brought up questioning the truthiness of the results.

As to calling about complaints and not getting answers.... Not only were we on hand Election Day to handle technical issues, but we often had to go to voting sites to meet state officials who were called there to investigate any claim of fraud or other misdeeds.
 
2012-10-21 12:43:46 PM

msupf: I worked for an election supply company in Michigan.


Unfortunately, Ohio is the state we're discussing.
 
2012-10-21 12:45:04 PM

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


I voted here in Ohio on 10/17 using one of the machines. After you finish verifying your vote, you have to then press a print button and it generates a receipt of your vote behind a piece of glass.

I made a joke to one of the poll workers that I expected to get a receipt, and he launched into a detailed explanation of a planned audit of 10% of all votes cast to ensure the accuracy of the machines.

Seems pretty legit to me.
 
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