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2012-10-21 12:04:08 AM

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


I have the weirdest boner right now.
 
2012-10-21 12:05:26 AM

Whatthefark: Looking at the Washington's Sec.Of State website, it shows 22 counties are going to be using Hart InterCivic machines to count votes. However, Washington state only uses them for counting, not for the actual vote casting. All voting in Washington is done via mail. If there is any question with Washington's numbers, the paper trail can clear it up.


That's why we have a paper trail. Washington's voting system works well, and there's no benefit at present to changing it, so we're not changing it.
 
2012-10-21 12:09:29 AM
Not ONE "conservative" in this thread is willing to admit this is at MINIMUM sketchy. Or admit if it were Obama rather than Romney, it would be a national crisis from the right.

Not a farking SHRED of honesty from any of you "conservatives".
 
2012-10-21 12:14:05 AM

apoptotic: And now I've compounded my initial error with an HTML fail. Time for me to do something else for a while. *headdesk*


lol!

Dont hurt yourself.
 
2012-10-21 12:15:03 AM

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 12:19:33 AM
Hanging chads gave us 8 years of Bush and over a decade of war.
 
2012-10-21 12:19:44 AM
FARTBONGO
 
2012-10-21 12:22:37 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Obama kicked ass in a free and fair election four years ago, and huge numbers of "conservatives" still think he's "illegitimate."


And him losing reelection will solidify their four-year campaign to delegitimize his place in history. Undo the good he accomplished while gifting credit for an inevitable recovery to a plutocrat who did fark all to deserve the White House besides persistently lying and withholding details of his brilliant plan.

So vote. You run a risk of having your vote not count if you do, but your vote DEFINITELY won't count if you stay home.
 
2012-10-21 12:24:35 AM

mediablitz: Not ONE "conservative" in this thread is willing to admit this is at MINIMUM sketchy. Or admit if it were Obama rather than Romney, it would be a national crisis from the right.

Not a farking SHRED of honesty from any of you "conservatives".


I'm a conservative and I admit that if this was Obama I would have a hard on 24/7. I swear on the grave of the great Ronald Reagan that we will bring Obama to justice. Not to say that us conservatives are not without compassion. We would allow Obama to serve out his sentence in his home country of Kenya. There he would be cast into the Pit of Carkoon, the nesting place of the all powerful Sarlacc, were he will be feed fried chicken and water melon. After that we would get a rope and drag him behind a pickup truck until he was dead. Dead. Dead. Rap him in a Confederate Flag and hang the body from a tree for the good children of the South to witness the death of first and last black man to sit in the WHITE House. God bless America.

/farking white people
 
2012-10-21 12:26:18 AM
I'm skeptical the national vote is at all legitimate and on the up and up. Machines or not.

I'll still vote because if I'm right I only wasted 20-30min of my time, if I'm wrong my vote counts and is needed to those that align with my politics.
 
2012-10-21 12:27:12 AM
Most people are knuckle dragging uneducated simpletons, of course they'll accept Romney if he wins.
 
2012-10-21 12:30:13 AM
Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.
 
2012-10-21 12:39:08 AM

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.


I miss him too.

//Loves me some Weiner!!!
 
2012-10-21 12:40:23 AM

Granny_Panties: Well, that's that. Hello President Romney. Hello tax increase. Been nice knowing you people of Iran. Hope none of Romney's Israeli Bombs from God hit your children.

/he would smirk


If Obama wins Colorado + New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, or Florida, he doesn't need Ohio. Not and, or. Meaning winning any of those = Win based upon current polls.

Given that 538's now-cast AND future-cast have him as winning CO + NH AND Ohio and do not have much data yet from the 2nd debate, there's some safety net there, and Virginia has been bouncing back and forth pretty regularly.
 
2012-10-21 12:47:11 AM

Brainsick: Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.


Vote by mail is fantastic. Oregon here, just received my ballot today. Will set aside some time to complete it tomorrow and take it to the ballot drop a few blocks from my house (saves me a stamp).

The President will get my vote (though he'll win Oregon with or without it). Looking forward to giving a finger to the war on drugs, also - voting yes on Measure 80.
 
2012-10-21 12:48:12 AM

Brainsick: Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.


Yeah, but sadly the rest of the country is voting from the mid-1970s, technology-wise.

/Edison invented an accurate, electric vote tabulator for Congress in the late 19th century. No one in either house would even consider it, as there was no way to game the system as they were used to.
//They finally installed something like it decades later.
 
2012-10-21 01:01:36 AM

Whatthefark: Looking at the Washington's Sec.Of State website, it shows 22 counties are going to be using Hart InterCivic machines to count votes. However, Washington state only uses them for counting, not for the actual vote casting. All voting in Washington is done via mail. If there is any question with Washington's numbers, the paper trail can clear it up.


This is an important thing to note:

The paper trail can clear it up only if the ballots are recounted by hand.

Scenario (a really simplified one):

1000 people vote, and they vote 550 for Obama and 450 for Romney. This is what is actually marked on the ballots.

The ballot scanning and counting machine and its software secretly flip 1 in 10 Obama votes to Romney.
The vote is thus recorded Obama 495, Romney 505.
The margin is within one-half of one percent (5 votes), this triggers an automatic recount in many states.
They stack all the ballots in the machine again, per recount rules, and they get Obama 495, Romney 505 again.
The machine obviously was right, case closed, unless someone really wants to pony up lots of money for lawyers and potentially pay for a hand count and all that.

Change the margin to flip 1 in 8 votes from Obama to Romney. You get Obama 482, Romney 518, this is outside the one-half of one percent margin, no automatic recount.

If there's actually an exit poll, it's supposed to show Obama 55%, Romney 45%. The margin of error for an exit poll is typically within 3-4%. If it actually came up 49.5% Obama, 50.5% Romney, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Let's also assume we're not talking about Washington's all-vote-by-mail, and say we're in a state that has early voting. The exit polling tries to take into account early voting but the bulk happens on Election Day, and all signs are early voting favors Dems, so exit polling on Election Day could have a large Republican bias, Thus it's easier for the exit poll to have numbers skewed for Romney that help cover up the vote switching going on inside the black box machines.

Thus, nobody would be alerted to shenanigans going on.

End scenario.
 
2012-10-21 01:03:39 AM
Voting machines should have the tightest possible safeguards.

1. Not connected to the internet at any time nor to each other.
2. The votes should be stored with in each separate voting machine.
3. Their should always be a paper trail to back up the electronic data.
4. There should be multiple keys required to extract the voting data or upgrade the machine or input data to prepare for an upcoming election. No one at the election sites should have they keys.
5. all machines must be stored in a secured location and guarded location be tween elections , all upgrades and data input must be carried out under armed guard and each machine shall be checked for viruses or malware before being dispatched to voting sites under armed guard.
6. if a machine is replaced for any reason the machine being replaced should be destroyed by incineration.
7. they should be manufactured by the federal goverment. No elected official should have access to the manufacturing facility. This includes the president.
 
2012-10-21 01:12:13 AM

grimlock1972: Voting machines should have the tightest possible safeguards.


The ironic thing is that the 2000 election lead to Federal money being made available to buy new electronic voting machines. Here in Philly, where we'd never had major problem with mechanical voting machines bought in the 1960s, we got new machines because the money was there to purchase them.

/the upside is they kept the layout of the old machines
//and we haven't had any reported problems with them
///but they don't have a mechanically-operated curtain which opens after you hit the "VOTE" button, so I always feel like I haven't really voted.
 
2012-10-21 01:13:11 AM

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.



Are you kidding? I was up in arms about the electronic voting machines since they were introduced, and many libs I know were pretty upset too. Then again, we are tech people and maybe have a different perspective than most people.
 
2012-10-21 01:15:09 AM
No one even remotely close to a major candidate for office should be able to do this kind of thing, makes sense.

They would have looked a hell of a lot better by sitting this one out.
 
2012-10-21 01:15:25 AM

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.


The 2008 election was such a landslide that we could have held the election by voice vote.
 
2012-10-21 01:15:30 AM

quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause



I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.
 
2012-10-21 01:17:17 AM

coyo: quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.


No, actually i saw a whole bunch of folks that were happily supporting the man and his plan.
Bonus: Downtown at the busiest intersection, cars honking.

Kind of disturbing, really. They weren't just "voting against Obama."
 
2012-10-21 01:23:50 AM

whidbey: coyo: quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.

No, actually i saw a whole bunch of folks that were happily supporting the man and his plan.
Bonus: Downtown at the busiest intersection, cars honking.

Kind of disturbing, really. They weren't just "voting against Obama."


Fascinating. I wonder what they thought his plan was.
 
2012-10-21 01:24:43 AM
So no one has linked the video of that guy who programmed the voting (from 2004) machines to flip votes yet or, was that video bs?
 
2012-10-21 01:25:03 AM
Apparently it's too much to ask that the party that's been suppressing voters at all levels of command since before the election even started not be the ones purchasing voting machines. I'm somehow supposed to extend the benefit-of-the-doubt to a bunch of monsters who shred voter registration forms? You're asking me to be naive to the point of complacency.
 
2012-10-21 01:27:32 AM

coyo: whidbey: coyo: quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.

No, actually i saw a whole bunch of folks that were happily supporting the man and his plan.
Bonus: Downtown at the busiest intersection, cars honking.

Kind of disturbing, really. They weren't just "voting against Obama."

Fascinating. I wonder what they thought his plan was.


Obama isn't doing anything they can directly relate to, I guess. They must think Romney's going to jumpstart the economy by cutting taxes and drilling for oil. Yeah, I agree, it's farking stupid.
 
2012-10-21 01:28:38 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: You're asking me to be naive to the point of complacency.


img.gawkerassets.com
Problem?
 
2012-10-21 01:28:54 AM
The first rule of voting machine software: voting machine software may not harm a conservative, or through inaction, allow a conservative to come to harm........
 
2012-10-21 01:40:16 AM
This is really really bad.
 
2012-10-21 01:44:40 AM
"Charnin looked at 300 presidential state exit polls from 1988 to 2008, 15 elections would be expected to fall outside the margin of error. Shockingly, 137 of the 300 presidential exit polls fell outside the margin of error.

What is the probability of this happening? "One in one million trillion trillion trlllion trillion trillion trillion," said Charnin....132 of the elections fell outside the margin in favor of the GOP. We would expect eight."
 
2012-10-21 01:46:03 AM
Chance of Liberal Loss = Frequency of Rigged Election Conspiracy Stories
 
2012-10-21 01:48:25 AM
But... but... ACORN!
 
2012-10-21 01:50:54 AM

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.


This, this, and more this. The guy didn't even have an affair, he just sent a picture of his dick. He pissed me off by lying about it, but still. He was the only real liberal on the national stage with a set of huevos big enough to call people out on there idiocy.

Meanwhile, Republican Congressmen who were caught with teenage boys were calling for his resignation for such "disgraceful behavior" and the democrats roll on him too.

Now, I suppose we have Bernie Sanders, but he has the charisma of a wet sack of clay. I want that fireball from New York with a funny name back.
 
2012-10-21 01:53:30 AM
I am so glad they posted this, not my original headline but posted none the less.

What are the legal routes. Can the machines be suspended by a courts injunction with only 15 or so days to go?

The community has to move on this. Who cares if the corp gets some money, just don't let them rig the elections. Legal action now and fast.

as for GLENLIVID'S comment. I know here in miami, which is a GOP dominated area that the elections are very rigged. The AG for our state doesn't touch south florida. WE have a mob running it down here and it's spread it's cancer. So i don't think that Obama can depend on Florida.
 
2012-10-21 01:56:07 AM

bromah: I am so glad they posted this, not my original headline but posted none the less.

What are the legal routes. Can the machines be suspended by a courts injunction with only 15 or so days to go?

The community has to move on this. Who cares if the corp gets some money, just don't let them rig the elections. Legal action now and fast.

as for GLENLIVID'S comment. I know here in miami, which is a GOP dominated area that the elections are very rigged. The AG for our state doesn't touch south florida. WE have a mob running it down here and it's spread it's cancer. So i don't think that Obama can depend on Florida.


If any of that is actually true, then how did Obama win it last time? Wouldn't the party bosses have done the same thing in 2008?
 
2012-10-21 01:58:42 AM
Keep trying Libs...

i211.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 02:00:46 AM

SouthParkCon: derp


You were saying?
 
2012-10-21 02:02:32 AM
Man, Romney is a real piece of wor...

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


blog.wtfconcept.com
 
2012-10-21 02:03:27 AM

quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

 
2012-10-21 02:14:54 AM
Simplest answer

Romney likes buying stuff that makes him rich. So:

1- Big elections are coming up.

2- High correlation between election machine demand and elections

3- Profit
 
2012-10-21 02:14:57 AM

whidbey: SouthParkCon: derp

You were saying?


Grrrr, angry granola eating Progressive is angry.

Your tears will taste so sweet come November. Would you like me to book you a ticket out of the country now or after Mitt takes office?
 
2012-10-21 02:15:55 AM

SouthParkCon: herpa derpa


doo
 
2012-10-21 02:17:21 AM
Imagine the headline:

Craig Robinson, brother-in-law of President Obama, buys voting machines in Ohio.

...just f*cking IMAGINE what AM radio would sound like...the internet would shut down as the entire series of tubes asploded from overload...just imagine

But a Romney buys voting machines in swing states, and libs are delusional paranoids grasping at straws.

The right has a shiat-fit over what time Obama used which words...but a candidate's son buying voting machines? No prob. 

Un-farking-believable
 
2012-10-21 02:20:37 AM

whidbey: SouthParkCon: herpa derpa

doo


Slurpy, Slurp.
 
2012-10-21 02:22:23 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Imagine the headline:

Craig Robinson, brother-in-law of President Obama, buys voting machines in Ohio.

...just f*cking IMAGINE what AM radio would sound like...the internet would shut down as the entire series of tubes asploded from overload...just imagine

But a Romney buys voting machines in swing states, and libs are delusional paranoids grasping at straws.

The right has a shiat-fit over what time Obama used which words...but a candidate's son buying voting machines? No prob. 

Un-farking-believable


Well it kind of makes sense.

The Romneys are putting up their own hard-earned money to preserve democracy by buying voting machines to be used in places where people have been either been fooled into voting Obama or there is rampant undetected voter fraud (see=photo IDs).

Neutral voting machines will ensure that no Democrat voter tampering takes place.
 
2012-10-21 02:23:15 AM

whidbey: SouthParkCon: herpa derpa

doo


Ever notice how conservative trolls not only don't have a sense of humor, but don't even understand snark? Yet they are perfectly capable of constructing the highest-pitched dog whistles.
 
2012-10-21 02:25:19 AM

SouthParkCon: whidbey: SouthParkCon: herpa derpa

doo

Slurpy, Slurp.


That's how your posts sound to people who don't watch Fox News.
 
2012-10-21 02:25:53 AM
 
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