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2012-10-20 11:02:02 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

In the article they linked to the NY Times and The Nation with the same story. So you may commence freaking out

 
2012-10-20 11:04:18 PM
Do we perhaps have other sources available? This one seems somewhat biased.
 
2012-10-20 11:04:33 PM

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


No one in their right mind believed for 1 second that McCain would win
 
2012-10-20 11:05:23 PM

NFA: Also, if we can force young people to register with the Selective Service, then why not require them to register to vote at the same time?


Becuase that would be the end of the Republican party. At least in it's current incarnation.



Republicans can't win without stacking the deck. Actually pretty much their entire philosophy in life is cheat to win and then fark everyone else.
 
2012-10-20 11:06:37 PM

The Great EZE: Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.

 
2012-10-20 11:07:01 PM

The Great EZE: ghostmorphine: I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore

Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.


I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote. TV news isn't about logic, it's all about emotion. I disagree with almost everything I hear on FOX, and I think most rational people would, except for that they seem so impassioned about it you can't just ignore them. Liberals do get mocked for being passionate, everyone does these days though, it seems, the Dems just need to learn to ignore the mocking and start showing that they really do give an shiat, just like Obama did in the second debate
 
2012-10-20 11:07:44 PM

ghostmorphine: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

In the article they linked to the NY Times and The Nation with the same story. So you may commence freaking out


Those link to a previous Solamere/Tagg Romney scandal and background info, not specific info on the voting machines. One of Canada's networks, Global, has picked up the voting machine story, but doesn't have any additional info, so we'll see what develops in the next couple days.
 
2012-10-20 11:07:49 PM

Saturn5: The Great EZE: Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.


OWS was one of those things where they had the right idea/intention but it was horribly executed.
 
2012-10-20 11:10:34 PM
Ugh.........I was really hoping that cries of stolen election could wait till after election day.....

I get it I get it, if the republicans win it's massive voting machine rigging fraud, if democrats win it's massive on the ground voter fraud.
 
2012-10-20 11:11:09 PM
electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington and Colorado.

I assume this means D.C.? We're all absentee in Washington state. No voting machines here.
 
2012-10-20 11:11:29 PM

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.


Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause
 
2012-10-20 11:11:36 PM

Smeggy Smurf: WordyGrrl: Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?

You mean the supression of the illegal and dead vote? Yeah that would be a biatch of the democrats couldn't count on that bloc


Are you still buying that used car from "Tricky" Dick Nixon? No there were not dead people that voted in Chicago. It's a made up story that never happened. Also there were not all these people who took LSD and jumped out of windows thinking they were Superman and could fly. Also there were not spitting squads waiting at every airport waiting to spit on returning Vietnam vets. The only dead voter Republicans ever found was a man who voted absentee and died before the election.
 
2012-10-20 11:13:20 PM

a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?


1. By 2016, there just won't be enough stupid angry white men left to vote as a gop block. This is the republicans' last chance to play the old "southern strategy" before it's no longer viable.

2. I think Biden is proving to be quite a viable candidate. Just keep him supplied with a continuous feed from a Dairy Queen soft-serve machine and he'll be unstoppable.
 
2012-10-20 11:13:51 PM

quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


That being said, I still don't trust those electronic voting machines and make sure I do all of mine on paper if I can.
 
2012-10-20 11:14:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: OWS was one of those things where they had the right idea/intention but it was horribly executed.


Oh, look, someone else who knows what we should have done and should be doing and won't lift a finger. Please, share your thoughts.

Also, WRT TFA, this is farked up and an obvious conflict of interest. If this was going on in another country the US would be raising hell and demanding to send in observers.
 
2012-10-20 11:15:09 PM

Mrtraveler01: quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause

That being said, I still don't trust those electronic voting machines and make sure I do all of mine on paper if I can.


Me too. I am happy to live in a state that has done away with voting machines entirely.
 
2012-10-20 11:15:53 PM

ghostmorphine: I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote.


This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.
 
2012-10-20 11:16:13 PM

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean people weren't concerned.

And if your not concerned about a candidate's son deciding to get into the business of voting machines you are very silly, indeed.
 
2012-10-20 11:17:43 PM

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]




i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-20 11:17:56 PM

There is no logical way to deny this is not epically shady:

There are literally tens-of-thousands of public and private companies that one could invest in. But of all the companies in the world, the ROE from investing in Hart Intercivic simply could not be ignored!!!!.

Seriously, a family with quite possibly hundreds of millions of dollars had to act on this deal. After all, how many investment opportunities come by like this in someone's life. How could they possibly predict that these crazy left wing commies could manifest some conspiracy theory that this investment might be a huge red alert?

Mitt, Ann, Tagg, and G. Scott's response: "nope...not one of us thought this might be an issue. Who could possibly imply anything suspect? We really just like this business model for voting machines...Really...It comes from our deep faith..It does...Why are you laughing?...I don't get it?"

 
2012-10-20 11:18:30 PM

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


So your reasoning is to make a completely different argument that has nothing to do with a candidates interest in purchasing the machines that will be used to determine whether he is elected?

Okay.
 
2012-10-20 11:19:34 PM

Mrbogey: ghostmorphine: I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote.

This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.


Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP. Not as good as FOX or Free Republic, but pretty damn good nonetheless
 
2012-10-20 11:21:27 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Mrbogey: ghostmorphine: I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote.

This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.

Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP. Not as good as FOX or Free Republic, but pretty damn good nonetheless


At least people here are literate.

Just look at the peanut gallery that hangs out on the local newspaper websites. Even the San Francisco Chronicle.
 
2012-10-20 11:21:36 PM
FTFA: "Yet there is an irony in the Romney campaign that cannot be ignored. For all the noise the right-wing has made in questioning the legitimacy of Obama's presidency, there have been so many questionable efforts made to help put Romney in the White House, if he wins, there should be great dispute over whether his election could ever be called genuinely illegitimate."

I cannot uncomprehend statements I may not find not unintelligible.
 
2012-10-20 11:22:22 PM

ghostmorphine: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

In the article they linked to the NY Times and The Nation with the same story. So you may commence freaking out


The NY Times story doesn't tie Solamere to Hart Intercivic. The story in The Nation links Solamere to Hart Intercivic through a "partner", HIG Capital. Working in finance myself, partner can refer to many different types of relationships. A good journalist needs to follow the money and see if the three companies can be tied together financially or managerially.
 
2012-10-20 11:22:32 PM

FlashHarry: davidphogan: FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.

You socialist.

AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?

...because more people would vote, obviously. and that is bad for republicans.


And what, be like those socialist Europeans...I think not. Actually most them do it on the weekend and over the course of a few days to get the maximum number of votes in.
 
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2012-10-20 11:23:22 PM
i75.photobucket.com

Brilliant
 
2012-10-20 11:24:20 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.


Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.
 
2012-10-20 11:26:16 PM

dennysgod: FlashHarry: davidphogan: FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.

You socialist.

AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?

...because more people would vote, obviously. and that is bad for republicans.

And what, be like those socialist Europeans...I think not. Actually most them do it on the weekend and over the course of a few days to get the maximum number of votes in.


You know, I'd like to eliminate early voting and move election day to a Saturday. (Or at least shrink the window of early voting to only be allowed after all the debates happen so we could at least pretend that having the two people squaring off for the job actually matters.)
 
2012-10-20 11:26:27 PM

Mrbogey:
This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.


I try not to judge people's rationality based solely on internet comments, but the very fact that I am bothering to come into a Fark political tab proves I am not rational, so you might have a point
 
2012-10-20 11:27:45 PM

Mrbogey: Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


If you could drop the partisan bullshiat for two minutes, you don't think this is even a little shady?
 
2012-10-20 11:28:19 PM
FWIW, I'm in Ohio and voted early on an electric voting machine with paper verification. So, I'm concerned about this but not worried.
 
2012-10-20 11:28:46 PM
If it is close, they will steal it.
 
2012-10-20 11:31:08 PM

quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


In a few minutes on Google I found:

- an HIG press release about their "strategic investment" in Hart Intercivic
- HIG on the list of Romney's top contributors

As I was starting to cross check the names of HIG bigwigs against Solamere/Romney/Bain, I came across this article that's already done that.

Then I got distracted by something shiny and lost interest. I don't think that it's a case of "if it was happening, we would have already heard about it", I think it's more that it's a complicated spiderweb of financing that we didn't know we should be looking for, and that isn't easy to explain in easily digested soundbites.
 
2012-10-20 11:32:38 PM
So do Democrats fear technology or do democrats fear butterfly ballots? I can never keep this straight.

Or is it that democrats fear that if there are enough voting machines, there won't be any lines when the polls close and they won't have any way to know how many votes they need when the first results start coming in?

(Hey it works for Chavez and Dems routinely petition the courts to extend voting times every election so I suspect it's the latter.)
 
2012-10-20 11:37:13 PM
I hear they will actually be rigged to vote for Obama

It's Tagg's ultimate Oedipal revenge for his dad naming him Tagg.

/I think I just used a made up word, it's all good though
 
2012-10-20 11:38:28 PM
Haven't these machines already been hacked? Are they networked?
 
2012-10-20 11:39:56 PM

Chimperror2: So do Democrats fear technology or do democrats fear butterfly ballots? I can never keep this straight.

Or is it that democrats fear that if there are enough voting machines, there won't be any lines when the polls close and they won't have any way to know how many votes they need when the first results start coming in?

(Hey it works for Chavez and Dems routinely petition the courts to extend voting times every election so I suspect it's the latter.)


0/10
 
2012-10-20 11:41:08 PM
Will FOX cover this story?
 
2012-10-20 11:42:00 PM

simplicimus: Haven't these machines already been hacked? Are they networked?


I'm sure they used condoms this time.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-10-20 11:42:24 PM

apoptotic: quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause

In a few minutes on Google I found:

- an HIG press release about their "strategic investment" in Hart Intercivic
- HIG on the list of Romney's top contributors

As I was starting to cross check the names of HIG bigwigs against Solamere/Romney/Bain, I came across this article that's already done that.

Then I got distracted by something shiny and lost interest. I don't think that it's a case of "if it was happening, we would have already heard about it", I think it's more that it's a complicated spiderweb of financing that we didn't know we should be looking for, and that isn't easy to explain in easily digested soundbites.


So... are you saying that in the 2008 election if there was a suggestion in the media that someone close to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines that no one would have said anything cuz its complicated?
 
2012-10-20 11:42:35 PM
"sick" is exactly the right tag for this
 
2012-10-20 11:48:25 PM

cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio?


Well, the guy that was programming the things was killed in a small airplane accident the day before he was going to testify there was something amiss with the voting machines in Ohio.

Reminds me of when CIA director Casey died of a brain tumor the week before he was going to testify before congress.
 
2012-10-20 11:50:17 PM

Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.

Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


-The elections weren't close enough.

-The heat was on, (Try to remember there had been shenanigans like shiatty machines just not working in 2004 and that whole Ohio thing with destroyed records and mysterious deaths) and it was bad enough Diebold had to change its name.

-Shenanigans of this sort are always at state and county level, if the states they're in don't matter; they don't matter.

I actually don't believe in the 2004 conspiracy theory (More specifically I think any shenanigans were too incompetent to have an effect) but you need a better "Armor-piercing question" than that.

And once again, it's a question of appearances. If I were to hold a "Gobama" sign right outside a polling station on election day it wouldn't change the results, but it would be illegal and rightfully so. Candidates for public office should not own the companies counting the votes nor should the companies counting the votes be ANYTHING but open and transparent.
 
2012-10-20 11:52:03 PM
quickdraw:
So... are you saying that in the 2008 election if there was a suggestion in the media that someone close to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines that no one would have said anything cuz its complicated?

No, actually I didn't mean to comment on 2008 at all, and just had a minor brain fart. While reading multiple posts/pages at the same time I misread your post as suggesting if the current (ie Romney) situation was true we'd have already heard about it. My post would have been better situated in reply to one of the posts questioning TFA's credibility/asking if any of the mainstream media had picked up the story.

Mea culpa.
 
2012-10-20 11:52:50 PM
And now I've compounded my initial error with an HTML fail. Time for me to do something else for a while. *headdesk*
 
2012-10-20 11:58:12 PM
Well, that's that. Hello President Romney. Hello tax increase. Been nice knowing you people of Iran. Hope none of Romney's Israeli Bombs from God hit your children.

/he would smirk
 
2012-10-21 12:02:39 AM

TheOther: If it is close, they will steal it.


Bad news. It's close.

But the good news is that the GOP's Plan A for stealing the election this year was all of the voter suppression laws passed in GOP-controlled states. And most of those have now been struck down by the courts, thankfully.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:03 AM
Oh and to add to the speculation

Miami County Ohio Election official resigns under weird circumstances

Now there very well be an innocuous explanation for all of this, but there is enough of an appearance of impropriety that I'm going to conclude fraud was involved if Romney wins Ohio in contradiction to all the polling data which says Obama has the lead in the state.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:35 AM
Jesus Christ, you can't enter most competitions if a relative works for the company, but a Presidential candidate's son can buy a fkn voting machine business?

And dickheads in this thread are trying to say that people who look askance at this are conspiracy nuts or something?

Can you imagine the shiatstorm if Obama's sister bought one of these companies?

FOX would start a whole new channel dedicated to this one fkn story. "Conservatives" would not shut up, EVER. Gun and ammo sales would go through the roof.

Obama kicked ass in a free and fair election four years ago, and huge numbers of "conservatives" still think he's "illegitimate."
 
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