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(All Voices)   Romney family buys voting machines for Ohio through Bain Capital investment. It's not a conflict of interest if you're rich   (allvoices.com) divider line 256
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2012-10-20 10:27:29 PM  

quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?


Oh yeah? Well, your mama
 
2012-10-20 10:27:49 PM  

cman: I dont trust these farkers at all. I, however, understand that you should not always assume the very worse.


You think he's a collector?
 
2012-10-20 10:27:53 PM  
That the baseless conspiracy theories are coming out now is proof that the internal polls are showing Romney winning. Have to explain that loss somehow.

Amazing how Democrats win ANY elections or control the Senate by such a majority with all the machines rigged against you.
 
2012-10-20 10:28:35 PM  

WordyGrrl: Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?


And thats the problem right there. It was a stupid thing to do. Because whether they are tampered with or not it's a horrible move from a PR standpoint.
 
2012-10-20 10:30:51 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


Among other things, there are republicans whonconstantly screech about getting rid of min wage laws, and just last year our good friend Gingrich openly talked about abolishing child labor laws.

The child labor comments make me sick. I had never been so furious in my entire life at politics. It also cemented my burgeoning view that the gop was not just a box to store all the crazed religious zealots and bigots, but actually a party of evil determined to go back to the dark ages of our past.

Say what you will about dems, but at least they mean well in regards to the poor, unlike the religious hypocrites.
 
2012-10-20 10:31:08 PM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama


Yep! She's a smart ass too!
 
2012-10-20 10:31:43 PM  
In Bizarro-world, there are massive congressional investigations after Obama purchased a scantron that looks kinda like a voting sheet.
 
2012-10-20 10:31:44 PM  

WordyGrrl: Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?


You mean the supression of the illegal and dead vote? Yeah that would be a biatch of the democrats couldn't count on that bloc
 
2012-10-20 10:31:46 PM  

Mrbogey: internal polls


Is "internal poll" Repub-speak for "gut feeling"? Because that's what I think. Try to imagine your reaction if Obama's wife, brother, and mother all had these connections. I guarantee

Mrbogey: baseless conspiracy theories


would be the least of the right-wing response


/If this isn't illegal, it should be
 
2012-10-20 10:32:39 PM  
So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?
 
2012-10-20 10:32:58 PM  

quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!


My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass
 
2012-10-20 10:34:17 PM  

Brainsick: Mrbogey: internal polls

Is "internal poll" Repub-speak for "gut feeling"? Because that's what I think. Try to imagine your reaction if Obama's wife, brother, and mother all had these connections. I guarantee
Mrbogey: baseless conspiracy theories

would be the least of the right-wing response


/If this isn't illegal, it should be


I'm sure the blog post accurately captured the truth.
 
2012-10-20 10:34:34 PM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass


cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass


Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.
 
2012-10-20 10:35:14 PM  

ScreamingHangover: So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


We all have our political beliefs and until neutral robots with hearts of gold can maintain and execute our voting practices for us, there is always the danger of tampering and conflicts of interest.

That said, the man running for office shouldnt have anything to do with the machines responsible for electing him.
 
2012-10-20 10:36:10 PM  

quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.


Not sure why that double posted but Im sure it's all Romney's fault.

There - feel better now? Back on familiar turf?
 
2012-10-20 10:37:09 PM  
Looking at the Washington's Sec.Of State website, it shows 22 counties are going to be using Hart InterCivic machines to count votes. However, Washington state only uses them for counting, not for the actual vote casting. All voting in Washington is done via mail. If there is any question with Washington's numbers, the paper trail can clear it up.
 
2012-10-20 10:37:29 PM  

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.



And now we ALL know that Wiener has the nail for the job, don't we?
 
2012-10-20 10:38:13 PM  

kimwim: a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?

O'Malley from Maryland. My money's on him.


At the rate the Republicans are pulling to the right, Rubio or Huntsman might actually get the Democratic nomination in 2016.

No, I didn't mistype that.
 
2012-10-20 10:38:19 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: So my vote for Vermin Supreme won't be counted?


I'll probably vote for him, actually. I don't want Romney and I'm not really an Obama supporter(then again, I'm in Texas and voting for Obama would be useless anyways). If the Libertarians would dump their "absolute free market" and "free trade" bullshiat, I'd support them 100%. 

As long as I'm dreaming, I might as well win the lottery, too.
 
2012-10-20 10:39:44 PM  

ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


Are any of those people directly employed by Obama or his immediate family? No? Then you're comparing apples and orangutans.

/Ooga-booga unions.
//Ooga-booga, I say.
 
2012-10-20 10:40:15 PM  

quickdraw: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.

Not sure why that double posted but Im sure it's all Romney's fault.

There - feel better now? Back on familiar turf?


Of course it's Romneys fault. It's never your (insert long ass title mocking of idiot right wingers who mock Obama) messiahs fault
 
2012-10-20 10:40:37 PM  
if Obama did this it would be on the front page of infowars and it would be the only story on Fox News for the upcoming week
 
2012-10-20 10:41:11 PM  

ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.
 
2012-10-20 10:42:05 PM  
Why isn't the mainstream news talking about this? Seems like this is something they would fall all over themselves getting the scoop on...
 
2012-10-20 10:43:04 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


nation.foxnews.com
 
2012-10-20 10:43:11 PM  
If Romney wins through underhanded means, imagine the epic LULZ during the 3 1/2 months Obama still controls the DOJ and all its parts. It's the Chicago way,
 
2012-10-20 10:43:24 PM  

cman: quickdraw: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.

Not sure why that double posted but Im sure it's all Romney's fault.

There - feel better now? Back on familiar turf?

Of course it's Romneys fault. It's never your (insert long ass title mocking of idiot right wingers who mock Obama) messiahs fault


Interesting point. Has anyone shopped Romney as Jesus yet? Because according to my last sociological survey of campaign photoshops if you dont get shopped as Jesus and Hitler you dont stand a chance of winning.

/not at the same time
 
2012-10-20 10:43:31 PM  

Gwyrddu: ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?

The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.


I totally agree. I think that using computers for the election is a good idea because it can help those who have seeing problems or the voters naive tongue. I don't trust machines to do the counting. I believe that the people should use the machines to vote, the machine prints out a paper indicating their vote, the paper is submitted and counted.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:09 PM  
Absurd.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:10 PM  
i75.photobucket.com

Whether or not the 2004 conspiracy theory has merit and whether or not the only chance the Republicans have is criminal action one thing is clear. The conflict of interest and the lack of transparency that voting machines are rife with is a problem. It is not enough to do right, one must avoid the appearance of doing wrong.

Then again even that isn't enough if you're a democrat, see birtherism.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:16 PM  
I'm more concerned with the deployment and operation of voting machines on election day. Poor, minority areas "break down" or come in extremely limited numbers while the suburban areas get two walls full.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:30 PM  

cman: Gwyrddu: ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?

The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.

I totally agree. I think that using computers for the election is a good idea because it can help those who have seeing problems or could use the voters native tongue. I don't trust machines to do the counting. I believe that the people should use the machines to vote, the machine prints out a paper indicating their vote, the paper is submitted and counted.


Damn it. Fixt
 
2012-10-20 10:45:50 PM  

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


No, you don't. But you DO look farking stupid using that phrase to start a complaint.
 
2012-10-20 10:47:11 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Why isn't the mainstream news talking about this? Seems like this is something they would fall all over themselves getting the scoop on...


Liberal media bias, of course!

You notice how the Republican voter registration fraud is all over the news every day, just like the ACORN "scandal"?

Yeah, neither have I...

Liberal media my ASS.
 
2012-10-20 10:49:21 PM  

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.


this

/he is missed
 
2012-10-20 10:49:44 PM  

Mugato: We're talking about a party that destroyed a country so that a company the Vice President was was former CEO of could have a no bid contract to rebuild it. Republicans are not known for being subtle about their shadiness.


Basically, this.
 
2012-10-20 10:50:26 PM  
Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

images.sodahead.com
 
2012-10-20 10:52:39 PM  
Exit polling is the best way to know if the machines aren't working, if the exit polls and the actual results don't match up then it is time to start freaking out over conspiracies. That being said, I agree with a lot of people on here who have pointed out that if Obama was connected to those machines in any way we would not stop hearing the GOP shout about it up to and probably well past the election. I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore
 
2012-10-20 10:53:38 PM  

Jaws_Victim: ScreamingHangover: So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?

We all have our political beliefs and until neutral robots with hearts of gold can maintain and execute our voting practices for us, there is always the danger of tampering and conflicts of interest.

That said, the man running for office shouldnt have anything to do with the machines responsible for electing him.


The voting machine generates a ballot that you can look at, the electronic machine makes little ones and zeros that you can't see once they roll away inside the series of tubes.
 
2012-10-20 10:54:35 PM  

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


Now THAT is some magic underwear.
 
2012-10-20 10:54:48 PM  
You know, after further thought, I don't care anymore because math is math. I still believe Obama is going to win Ohio by at least three points and sweep Iowa, Nevada, and Colorado. That alone should get the job done.

But if he loses, knowing everything we know now, America can kiss an entire generation (my generation) goodbye from its democratic process. And it's a shame because I think apathy ruins society more than any corrupt politician. But you can only play people for fools so long before they decide they don't want to play anymore.

It's not money that's the root of all evil, it's the love of money. A story like this comes out--election buying at its most literal--and millions of citizens aren't saying, "That's outrageous! Somebody needs to go to jail!" but rather, "Golly, I wish I had that kind of money." And that's how this happens.
 
2012-10-20 10:55:18 PM  

rga184: The voting machine generates a ballot that you can look at, the electronic machine makes little ones and zeros that you can't see once they roll away inside the series of tubes.


I think the ones used in Ohio also provide a paper trail, but I'm basing this off a hazy recollection of an interview with the elections board guy on NPR from a few weeks ago.
 
2012-10-20 10:55:25 PM  

TheBigJerk: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Whether or not the 2004 conspiracy theory has merit and whether or not the only chance the Republicans have is criminal action one thing is clear. The conflict of interest and the lack of transparency that voting machines are rife with is a problem. It is not enough to do right, one must avoid the appearance of doing wrong.

Then again even that isn't enough if you're a democrat, see birtherism.


The MPAA are less secretive than that...
 
2012-10-20 10:56:13 PM  
Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

If it is true that the goddam son of a Presidential candidate owns the voting machines in Ohio I hope he gets nailed to the wall. I don't give a shiat if Tagg and his company are pure as the freshly driven snow, it's farking unethical as hell.
 
2012-10-20 10:58:38 PM  

FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.


Elections Canada does a good job of this. In fact, they skip the machines and keep the paper ballots.
 
2012-10-20 10:58:45 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.

Its about Sociology. Politics is sociology.

When you have an enemy, whatever your enemy does, no matter how innocent it may be, is automatically a move meant to beat you. I aint saying that these folk arent gonna use it to steal the elections; what I am saying is that people jump to the worst possible conclusion because they perceive everything that the other side does as an attack.

I dont trust these farkers at all. I, however, understand that you should not always assume the very worse.

That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.


This has nothing to do with the discussion other than to deflect attention away from the topic of Romney's meddling in our electoral system. Ever hear of a thing called conflict of interest?
 
2012-10-20 10:58:57 PM  

ghostmorphine: I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore


Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.
 
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2012-10-20 10:59:01 PM  

FlashHarry: AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?


Great idea...

Also, if we can force young people to register with the Selective Service, then why not require them to register to vote at the same time?
 
2012-10-20 11:00:07 PM  
Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.
 
2012-10-20 11:00:57 PM  
The voting machines here in NC take the paper ballots, which require the voter to fill in an oval with a special pen, and tally the votes internally. There's both a paper trail and an electronic tally to match up if things get weird. How do these Diebold machines function? Are they the old mechanical ones where you pulled a lever for each candidate within a booth with a curtain? I always liked those.
 
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