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2012-10-20 07:41:54 PM  
Stay Classy Mitt.
 
2012-10-20 08:07:53 PM  
Well that's a subtle way to steal an election.
 
2012-10-20 08:10:41 PM  

GAT_00: Well that's a subtle way to steal an election.


Is it really theft if you pay for it?

I keed!

I would want to know just how much of the total fund the voting machine company makes up. And how much influence the fund has on it.
 
2012-10-20 08:11:33 PM  
This could be a riot if he wins.
 
2012-10-20 08:17:59 PM  

Amos Quito: This could be a riot if he wins.


You mean like it was when Bush did the same thing in 2004?
 
2012-10-20 08:31:22 PM  

GAT_00: Well that's a subtle way to steal an election.


There's too much money on the line not to win this one by any means necessary.
 
2012-10-20 08:46:14 PM  

GAT_00: Amos Quito: This could be a riot if he wins.

You mean like it was when Bush did the same thing in 2004?


No, not like that at all.
 
2012-10-20 08:51:43 PM  
Pulling out all the stops on this one aren't they?
 
2012-10-20 08:58:29 PM  
I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic
 
2012-10-20 09:19:38 PM  
The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?
 
2012-10-20 09:22:10 PM  
We're talking about a party that destroyed a country so that a company the Vice President was was former CEO of could have a no bid contract to rebuild it. Republicans are not known for being subtle about their shadiness.
 
2012-10-20 09:22:32 PM  

a_bilge_monkey: Who do the dems have ready for 2016?


Andrew Cuomo, Sherrod Brown, Hillary Clinton.
 
2012-10-20 09:26:53 PM  

MorrisBird: a_bilge_monkey: Who do the dems have ready for 2016?

Andrew Cuomo, Sherrod Brown, Hillary Clinton.


I think Hillary will be done with politics after she leaves. She'll be in her late 60's
 
2012-10-20 09:31:29 PM  

MorrisBird: a_bilge_monkey: Who do the dems have ready for 2016?

Andrew Cuomo, Sherrod Brown, Hillary Clinton.


Cuomo is the best bet. If we're lucky, Cory Booker is interested in higher office.
 
2012-10-20 09:31:45 PM  
b-b-b-b-but www.microclear.co.uk
 
2012-10-20 09:32:19 PM  

a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?


Andrew Cuomo, Cory Booker, Deval Patrick, Elizabeth Warren to name a few.
 
2012-10-20 09:33:26 PM  

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.
 
2012-10-20 09:36:17 PM  

Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.


Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?
 
2012-10-20 09:39:27 PM  

a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?



O'Malley from Maryland. My money's on him.
 
2012-10-20 09:40:26 PM  
why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.
 
2012-10-20 09:40:45 PM  

cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.
 
2012-10-20 09:40:48 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


What does that have to do with this?
 
2012-10-20 09:41:45 PM  

FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency.


Because that would have to get through Congress.
 
2012-10-20 09:42:51 PM  

Mugato: What's with the deflection?


He's not interested in the actual issue, just Democrats bad.
 
2012-10-20 09:43:28 PM  

Mugato: cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.


Damn, three seconds off.
 
2012-10-20 09:43:43 PM  
teapartywpbfl.files.wordpress.com 

/hotlinked from a teabagger site
//oh, the irony
 
2012-10-20 09:48:25 PM  

FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.


You socialist.
 
2012-10-20 09:50:05 PM  

davidphogan: FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.

You socialist.


AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?

...because more people would vote, obviously. and that is bad for republicans.
 
2012-10-20 09:50:22 PM  

FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency in China

.


Sorry, but we're talking about Bain and the Romney klan here.
 
2012-10-20 09:51:20 PM  

Mugato: cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.


Its about Sociology. Politics is sociology.

When you have an enemy, whatever your enemy does, no matter how innocent it may be, is automatically a move meant to beat you. I aint saying that these folk arent gonna use it to steal the elections; what I am saying is that people jump to the worst possible conclusion because they perceive everything that the other side does as an attack.

I dont trust these farkers at all. I, however, understand that you should not always assume the very worse.

That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.
 
2012-10-20 09:58:20 PM  

cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.


No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.
 
2012-10-20 09:59:57 PM  

quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.


...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.
 
2012-10-20 10:01:35 PM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.


Oh so you think the hegemonic elite is rigging the election?
 
2012-10-20 10:04:06 PM  

quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.

Oh so you think the hegemonic elite is rigging the election?


Did I say that? No, the article said it:


What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.
 
2012-10-20 10:07:24 PM  

cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.


Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.
 
2012-10-20 10:08:38 PM  

quickdraw: cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.


Now who's deflecting?
 
2012-10-20 10:09:54 PM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.

Now who's deflecting?


You were the one who brought up sociology. Not my fault if you dont have a real grasp of the discipline.
 
2012-10-20 10:13:25 PM  

quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.

Now who's deflecting?

You were the one who brought up sociology. Not my fault if you dont have a real grasp of the discipline.


Hah.

Nah man, I was being a smart ass
 
2012-10-20 10:15:30 PM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: What it all says is that Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

Pfffft. No sociologist in the world would consider that a credible source.

Now who's deflecting?

You were the one who brought up sociology. Not my fault if you dont have a real grasp of the discipline.

Hah.

Nah man, I was being a smart ass


What a coincidence! Me too!
 
2012-10-20 10:15:42 PM  
And people wonder why early voting has been skewing Democrat...
 
2012-10-20 10:19:00 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


So any evidence of GOP shenanigans (systematic voter suppression, billboards intimidating voters in poor neighborhoods, voter registrations being thrown in the trash by Republican operatives, voting material in Spanish listing the wrong day to vote, etc) cannot be used as evidence in this thread that they're willing to do just about anything, no matter how shady, to win?

Got it.
 
2012-10-20 10:20:02 PM  

Mugato: What's with the deflection?


It's all they know.
 
2012-10-20 10:20:07 PM  
So my vote for Vermin Supreme won't be counted?
 
2012-10-20 10:20:57 PM  

fusillade762: cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

So any evidence of GOP shenanigans (systematic voter suppression, billboards intimidating voters in poor neighborhoods, voter registrations being thrown in the trash by Republican operatives, voting material in Spanish listing the wrong day to vote, etc) cannot be used as evidence in this thread that they're willing to do just about anything, no matter how shady, to win?

Got it.


I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.
 
2012-10-20 10:20:58 PM  
Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.
 
2012-10-20 10:21:13 PM  
ok, well, let's make voting machine tampering a hanging offense then.
 
2012-10-20 10:22:27 PM  

FlashHarry: ok, well, let's make voting machine tampering a hanging offense then.


I'm actually in favor of this - subverting democracy is tantamount to treason which is punishable by death.
 
2012-10-20 10:23:00 PM  

cman: fusillade762: cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

So any evidence of GOP shenanigans (systematic voter suppression, billboards intimidating voters in poor neighborhoods, voter registrations being thrown in the trash by Republican operatives, voting material in Spanish listing the wrong day to vote, etc) cannot be used as evidence in this thread that they're willing to do just about anything, no matter how shady, to win?

Got it.

I didn't say that. Read my reply after that comment to understand my intentions.

Gd damn it. Fixt.
 
2012-10-20 10:24:14 PM  

cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.


Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?
 
2012-10-20 10:24:58 PM  
Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?
 
2012-10-20 10:27:29 PM  

quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?


Oh yeah? Well, your mama
 
2012-10-20 10:27:49 PM  

cman: I dont trust these farkers at all. I, however, understand that you should not always assume the very worse.


You think he's a collector?
 
2012-10-20 10:27:53 PM  
That the baseless conspiracy theories are coming out now is proof that the internal polls are showing Romney winning. Have to explain that loss somehow.

Amazing how Democrats win ANY elections or control the Senate by such a majority with all the machines rigged against you.
 
2012-10-20 10:28:35 PM  

WordyGrrl: Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?


And thats the problem right there. It was a stupid thing to do. Because whether they are tampered with or not it's a horrible move from a PR standpoint.
 
2012-10-20 10:30:51 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


Among other things, there are republicans whonconstantly screech about getting rid of min wage laws, and just last year our good friend Gingrich openly talked about abolishing child labor laws.

The child labor comments make me sick. I had never been so furious in my entire life at politics. It also cemented my burgeoning view that the gop was not just a box to store all the crazed religious zealots and bigots, but actually a party of evil determined to go back to the dark ages of our past.

Say what you will about dems, but at least they mean well in regards to the poor, unlike the religious hypocrites.
 
2012-10-20 10:31:08 PM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama


Yep! She's a smart ass too!
 
2012-10-20 10:31:43 PM  
In Bizarro-world, there are massive congressional investigations after Obama purchased a scantron that looks kinda like a voting sheet.
 
2012-10-20 10:31:44 PM  

WordyGrrl: Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?


You mean the supression of the illegal and dead vote? Yeah that would be a biatch of the democrats couldn't count on that bloc
 
2012-10-20 10:31:46 PM  

Mrbogey: internal polls


Is "internal poll" Repub-speak for "gut feeling"? Because that's what I think. Try to imagine your reaction if Obama's wife, brother, and mother all had these connections. I guarantee

Mrbogey: baseless conspiracy theories


would be the least of the right-wing response


/If this isn't illegal, it should be
 
2012-10-20 10:32:39 PM  
So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?
 
2012-10-20 10:32:58 PM  

quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!


My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass
 
2012-10-20 10:34:17 PM  

Brainsick: Mrbogey: internal polls

Is "internal poll" Repub-speak for "gut feeling"? Because that's what I think. Try to imagine your reaction if Obama's wife, brother, and mother all had these connections. I guarantee
Mrbogey: baseless conspiracy theories

would be the least of the right-wing response


/If this isn't illegal, it should be


I'm sure the blog post accurately captured the truth.
 
2012-10-20 10:34:34 PM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass


cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass


Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.
 
2012-10-20 10:35:14 PM  

ScreamingHangover: So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


We all have our political beliefs and until neutral robots with hearts of gold can maintain and execute our voting practices for us, there is always the danger of tampering and conflicts of interest.

That said, the man running for office shouldnt have anything to do with the machines responsible for electing him.
 
2012-10-20 10:36:10 PM  

quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.


Not sure why that double posted but Im sure it's all Romney's fault.

There - feel better now? Back on familiar turf?
 
2012-10-20 10:37:09 PM  
Looking at the Washington's Sec.Of State website, it shows 22 counties are going to be using Hart InterCivic machines to count votes. However, Washington state only uses them for counting, not for the actual vote casting. All voting in Washington is done via mail. If there is any question with Washington's numbers, the paper trail can clear it up.
 
2012-10-20 10:37:29 PM  

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.



And now we ALL know that Wiener has the nail for the job, don't we?
 
2012-10-20 10:38:13 PM  

kimwim: a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?

O'Malley from Maryland. My money's on him.


At the rate the Republicans are pulling to the right, Rubio or Huntsman might actually get the Democratic nomination in 2016.

No, I didn't mistype that.
 
2012-10-20 10:38:19 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: So my vote for Vermin Supreme won't be counted?


I'll probably vote for him, actually. I don't want Romney and I'm not really an Obama supporter(then again, I'm in Texas and voting for Obama would be useless anyways). If the Libertarians would dump their "absolute free market" and "free trade" bullshiat, I'd support them 100%. 

As long as I'm dreaming, I might as well win the lottery, too.
 
2012-10-20 10:39:44 PM  

ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


Are any of those people directly employed by Obama or his immediate family? No? Then you're comparing apples and orangutans.

/Ooga-booga unions.
//Ooga-booga, I say.
 
2012-10-20 10:40:15 PM  

quickdraw: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.

Not sure why that double posted but Im sure it's all Romney's fault.

There - feel better now? Back on familiar turf?


Of course it's Romneys fault. It's never your (insert long ass title mocking of idiot right wingers who mock Obama) messiahs fault
 
2012-10-20 10:40:37 PM  
if Obama did this it would be on the front page of infowars and it would be the only story on Fox News for the upcoming week
 
2012-10-20 10:41:11 PM  

ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?


The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.
 
2012-10-20 10:42:05 PM  
Why isn't the mainstream news talking about this? Seems like this is something they would fall all over themselves getting the scoop on...
 
2012-10-20 10:43:04 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


nation.foxnews.com
 
2012-10-20 10:43:11 PM  
If Romney wins through underhanded means, imagine the epic LULZ during the 3 1/2 months Obama still controls the DOJ and all its parts. It's the Chicago way,
 
2012-10-20 10:43:24 PM  

cman: quickdraw: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

cman: quickdraw: cman: quickdraw: cman: I didn't say that. Read my reply after this comment to understand my intentions.

Too late - your smart assness has let loose the dogs of snark.

Isnt that what you wanted?

Oh yeah? Well, your mama

Yep! She's a smart ass too!

My mama is more of a fat ass than a smart ass

Sorry about that. But it does explain some things.

Not sure why that double posted but Im sure it's all Romney's fault.

There - feel better now? Back on familiar turf?

Of course it's Romneys fault. It's never your (insert long ass title mocking of idiot right wingers who mock Obama) messiahs fault


Interesting point. Has anyone shopped Romney as Jesus yet? Because according to my last sociological survey of campaign photoshops if you dont get shopped as Jesus and Hitler you dont stand a chance of winning.

/not at the same time
 
2012-10-20 10:43:31 PM  

Gwyrddu: ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?

The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.


I totally agree. I think that using computers for the election is a good idea because it can help those who have seeing problems or the voters naive tongue. I don't trust machines to do the counting. I believe that the people should use the machines to vote, the machine prints out a paper indicating their vote, the paper is submitted and counted.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:09 PM  
Absurd.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:10 PM  
i75.photobucket.com

Whether or not the 2004 conspiracy theory has merit and whether or not the only chance the Republicans have is criminal action one thing is clear. The conflict of interest and the lack of transparency that voting machines are rife with is a problem. It is not enough to do right, one must avoid the appearance of doing wrong.

Then again even that isn't enough if you're a democrat, see birtherism.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:16 PM  
I'm more concerned with the deployment and operation of voting machines on election day. Poor, minority areas "break down" or come in extremely limited numbers while the suburban areas get two walls full.
 
2012-10-20 10:44:30 PM  

cman: Gwyrddu: ScreamingHangover: How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?

The issue is the technology more than just the people who own the machines. You simply can't trust voting machines that don't leave a paper record that can be examined for fraud. That Bain capital owns a controlling share in this voting machine company makes things doubly shady.

I totally agree. I think that using computers for the election is a good idea because it can help those who have seeing problems or could use the voters native tongue. I don't trust machines to do the counting. I believe that the people should use the machines to vote, the machine prints out a paper indicating their vote, the paper is submitted and counted.


Damn it. Fixt
 
2012-10-20 10:45:50 PM  

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


No, you don't. But you DO look farking stupid using that phrase to start a complaint.
 
2012-10-20 10:47:11 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Why isn't the mainstream news talking about this? Seems like this is something they would fall all over themselves getting the scoop on...


Liberal media bias, of course!

You notice how the Republican voter registration fraud is all over the news every day, just like the ACORN "scandal"?

Yeah, neither have I...

Liberal media my ASS.
 
2012-10-20 10:49:21 PM  

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.


this

/he is missed
 
2012-10-20 10:49:44 PM  

Mugato: We're talking about a party that destroyed a country so that a company the Vice President was was former CEO of could have a no bid contract to rebuild it. Republicans are not known for being subtle about their shadiness.


Basically, this.
 
2012-10-20 10:50:26 PM  
Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

images.sodahead.com
 
2012-10-20 10:52:39 PM  
Exit polling is the best way to know if the machines aren't working, if the exit polls and the actual results don't match up then it is time to start freaking out over conspiracies. That being said, I agree with a lot of people on here who have pointed out that if Obama was connected to those machines in any way we would not stop hearing the GOP shout about it up to and probably well past the election. I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore
 
2012-10-20 10:53:38 PM  

Jaws_Victim: ScreamingHangover: So while in no way endorsing or supporting this action, I do have one question:

How is this any different than when government employees who maintain, service, repair, and control the voting machines belong to a union that openly endorses and financially supports a candidate? Is there any less of a conflict of interest?

We all have our political beliefs and until neutral robots with hearts of gold can maintain and execute our voting practices for us, there is always the danger of tampering and conflicts of interest.

That said, the man running for office shouldnt have anything to do with the machines responsible for electing him.


The voting machine generates a ballot that you can look at, the electronic machine makes little ones and zeros that you can't see once they roll away inside the series of tubes.
 
2012-10-20 10:54:35 PM  

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


Now THAT is some magic underwear.
 
2012-10-20 10:54:48 PM  
You know, after further thought, I don't care anymore because math is math. I still believe Obama is going to win Ohio by at least three points and sweep Iowa, Nevada, and Colorado. That alone should get the job done.

But if he loses, knowing everything we know now, America can kiss an entire generation (my generation) goodbye from its democratic process. And it's a shame because I think apathy ruins society more than any corrupt politician. But you can only play people for fools so long before they decide they don't want to play anymore.

It's not money that's the root of all evil, it's the love of money. A story like this comes out--election buying at its most literal--and millions of citizens aren't saying, "That's outrageous! Somebody needs to go to jail!" but rather, "Golly, I wish I had that kind of money." And that's how this happens.
 
2012-10-20 10:55:18 PM  

rga184: The voting machine generates a ballot that you can look at, the electronic machine makes little ones and zeros that you can't see once they roll away inside the series of tubes.


I think the ones used in Ohio also provide a paper trail, but I'm basing this off a hazy recollection of an interview with the elections board guy on NPR from a few weeks ago.
 
2012-10-20 10:55:25 PM  

TheBigJerk: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Whether or not the 2004 conspiracy theory has merit and whether or not the only chance the Republicans have is criminal action one thing is clear. The conflict of interest and the lack of transparency that voting machines are rife with is a problem. It is not enough to do right, one must avoid the appearance of doing wrong.

Then again even that isn't enough if you're a democrat, see birtherism.


The MPAA are less secretive than that...
 
2012-10-20 10:56:13 PM  
Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

If it is true that the goddam son of a Presidential candidate owns the voting machines in Ohio I hope he gets nailed to the wall. I don't give a shiat if Tagg and his company are pure as the freshly driven snow, it's farking unethical as hell.
 
2012-10-20 10:58:38 PM  

FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.


Elections Canada does a good job of this. In fact, they skip the machines and keep the paper ballots.
 
2012-10-20 10:58:45 PM  

cman: Mugato: cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?

What's with the deflection? The thread was about Romney buying up voting machines.

Its about Sociology. Politics is sociology.

When you have an enemy, whatever your enemy does, no matter how innocent it may be, is automatically a move meant to beat you. I aint saying that these folk arent gonna use it to steal the elections; what I am saying is that people jump to the worst possible conclusion because they perceive everything that the other side does as an attack.

I dont trust these farkers at all. I, however, understand that you should not always assume the very worse.

That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.


This has nothing to do with the discussion other than to deflect attention away from the topic of Romney's meddling in our electoral system. Ever hear of a thing called conflict of interest?
 
2012-10-20 10:58:57 PM  

ghostmorphine: I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore


Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.
 
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2012-10-20 10:59:01 PM  

FlashHarry: AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?


Great idea...

Also, if we can force young people to register with the Selective Service, then why not require them to register to vote at the same time?
 
2012-10-20 11:00:07 PM  
Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.
 
2012-10-20 11:00:57 PM  
The voting machines here in NC take the paper ballots, which require the voter to fill in an oval with a special pen, and tally the votes internally. There's both a paper trail and an electronic tally to match up if things get weird. How do these Diebold machines function? Are they the old mechanical ones where you pulled a lever for each candidate within a booth with a curtain? I always liked those.
 
2012-10-20 11:02:02 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

In the article they linked to the NY Times and The Nation with the same story. So you may commence freaking out

 
2012-10-20 11:04:18 PM  
Do we perhaps have other sources available? This one seems somewhat biased.
 
2012-10-20 11:04:33 PM  

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


No one in their right mind believed for 1 second that McCain would win
 
2012-10-20 11:05:23 PM  

NFA: Also, if we can force young people to register with the Selective Service, then why not require them to register to vote at the same time?


Becuase that would be the end of the Republican party. At least in it's current incarnation.



Republicans can't win without stacking the deck. Actually pretty much their entire philosophy in life is cheat to win and then fark everyone else.
 
2012-10-20 11:06:37 PM  

The Great EZE: Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.

 
2012-10-20 11:07:01 PM  

The Great EZE: ghostmorphine: I know liberals like to come across more rational on TV, but, come on, lets get some outrage going over this pundits! And not just from Maher, no one seems to really listen to him anymore

Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.


I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote. TV news isn't about logic, it's all about emotion. I disagree with almost everything I hear on FOX, and I think most rational people would, except for that they seem so impassioned about it you can't just ignore them. Liberals do get mocked for being passionate, everyone does these days though, it seems, the Dems just need to learn to ignore the mocking and start showing that they really do give an shiat, just like Obama did in the second debate
 
2012-10-20 11:07:44 PM  

ghostmorphine: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

In the article they linked to the NY Times and The Nation with the same story. So you may commence freaking out


Those link to a previous Solamere/Tagg Romney scandal and background info, not specific info on the voting machines. One of Canada's networks, Global, has picked up the voting machine story, but doesn't have any additional info, so we'll see what develops in the next couple days.
 
2012-10-20 11:07:49 PM  

Saturn5: The Great EZE: Liberals don't "come across" more rational, they are more rational. That's why you don't see them get angry often. Anger is irrational. Smart people think just being smart is sufficient enough to win hearts and minds and are always shocked when logic doesn't play in America.

For God's sake, just watch the reaction to the Denver debate.

Of course, when liberals are impassioned they're more likely to just get mocked and ignored than anything else. See #OWS for that.


OWS was one of those things where they had the right idea/intention but it was horribly executed.
 
2012-10-20 11:10:34 PM  
Ugh.........I was really hoping that cries of stolen election could wait till after election day.....

I get it I get it, if the republicans win it's massive voting machine rigging fraud, if democrats win it's massive on the ground voter fraud.
 
2012-10-20 11:11:09 PM  
electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington and Colorado.

I assume this means D.C.? We're all absentee in Washington state. No voting machines here.
 
2012-10-20 11:11:29 PM  

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.


Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause
 
2012-10-20 11:11:36 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: WordyGrrl: Now THIS is scandalous. With all the other voter supression the GOP's doing, how can anybody not believe this machines will be rigged?

You mean the supression of the illegal and dead vote? Yeah that would be a biatch of the democrats couldn't count on that bloc


Are you still buying that used car from "Tricky" Dick Nixon? No there were not dead people that voted in Chicago. It's a made up story that never happened. Also there were not all these people who took LSD and jumped out of windows thinking they were Superman and could fly. Also there were not spitting squads waiting at every airport waiting to spit on returning Vietnam vets. The only dead voter Republicans ever found was a man who voted absentee and died before the election.
 
2012-10-20 11:13:20 PM  

a_bilge_monkey: The American plutocracy that began with Bush v Gore,and cemented with Citizens United v US will be complete with a Romney election. At best, an Obama win will stave off the implementation til 2016. Why? Who do the dems have ready for 2016?


1. By 2016, there just won't be enough stupid angry white men left to vote as a gop block. This is the republicans' last chance to play the old "southern strategy" before it's no longer viable.

2. I think Biden is proving to be quite a viable candidate. Just keep him supplied with a continuous feed from a Dairy Queen soft-serve machine and he'll be unstoppable.
 
2012-10-20 11:13:51 PM  

quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


That being said, I still don't trust those electronic voting machines and make sure I do all of mine on paper if I can.
 
2012-10-20 11:14:39 PM  

Mrtraveler01: OWS was one of those things where they had the right idea/intention but it was horribly executed.


Oh, look, someone else who knows what we should have done and should be doing and won't lift a finger. Please, share your thoughts.

Also, WRT TFA, this is farked up and an obvious conflict of interest. If this was going on in another country the US would be raising hell and demanding to send in observers.
 
2012-10-20 11:15:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause

That being said, I still don't trust those electronic voting machines and make sure I do all of mine on paper if I can.


Me too. I am happy to live in a state that has done away with voting machines entirely.
 
2012-10-20 11:15:53 PM  

ghostmorphine: I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote.


This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.
 
2012-10-20 11:16:13 PM  

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean people weren't concerned.

And if your not concerned about a candidate's son deciding to get into the business of voting machines you are very silly, indeed.
 
2012-10-20 11:17:43 PM  

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]




i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-20 11:17:56 PM  

There is no logical way to deny this is not epically shady:

There are literally tens-of-thousands of public and private companies that one could invest in. But of all the companies in the world, the ROE from investing in Hart Intercivic simply could not be ignored!!!!.

Seriously, a family with quite possibly hundreds of millions of dollars had to act on this deal. After all, how many investment opportunities come by like this in someone's life. How could they possibly predict that these crazy left wing commies could manifest some conspiracy theory that this investment might be a huge red alert?

Mitt, Ann, Tagg, and G. Scott's response: "nope...not one of us thought this might be an issue. Who could possibly imply anything suspect? We really just like this business model for voting machines...Really...It comes from our deep faith..It does...Why are you laughing?...I don't get it?"

 
2012-10-20 11:18:30 PM  

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.


So your reasoning is to make a completely different argument that has nothing to do with a candidates interest in purchasing the machines that will be used to determine whether he is elected?

Okay.
 
2012-10-20 11:19:34 PM  

Mrbogey: ghostmorphine: I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote.

This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.


Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP. Not as good as FOX or Free Republic, but pretty damn good nonetheless
 
2012-10-20 11:21:27 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Mrbogey: ghostmorphine: I agree they are more rational, but I think FOX and the GOP have mastered the art of acting pissed off to get people fired up to go out and vote.

This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.

Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP. Not as good as FOX or Free Republic, but pretty damn good nonetheless


At least people here are literate.

Just look at the peanut gallery that hangs out on the local newspaper websites. Even the San Francisco Chronicle.
 
2012-10-20 11:21:36 PM  
FTFA: "Yet there is an irony in the Romney campaign that cannot be ignored. For all the noise the right-wing has made in questioning the legitimacy of Obama's presidency, there have been so many questionable efforts made to help put Romney in the White House, if he wins, there should be great dispute over whether his election could ever be called genuinely illegitimate."

I cannot uncomprehend statements I may not find not unintelligible.
 
2012-10-20 11:22:22 PM  

ghostmorphine: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Has this story been covered yet by the progressive mainstream media (MSNBC, HuffPo, Kos, etc)? I'd like to get some confirmation from more reliable sources before I freak out.

In the article they linked to the NY Times and The Nation with the same story. So you may commence freaking out


The NY Times story doesn't tie Solamere to Hart Intercivic. The story in The Nation links Solamere to Hart Intercivic through a "partner", HIG Capital. Working in finance myself, partner can refer to many different types of relationships. A good journalist needs to follow the money and see if the three companies can be tied together financially or managerially.
 
2012-10-20 11:22:32 PM  

FlashHarry: davidphogan: FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.

You socialist.

AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?

...because more people would vote, obviously. and that is bad for republicans.


And what, be like those socialist Europeans...I think not. Actually most them do it on the weekend and over the course of a few days to get the maximum number of votes in.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-10-20 11:23:22 PM  
i75.photobucket.com

Brilliant
 
2012-10-20 11:24:20 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.


Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.
 
2012-10-20 11:26:16 PM  

dennysgod: FlashHarry: davidphogan: FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.

You socialist.

AND election day needs to be a national holiday. what could be more patriotic than that? voting is the one thing we do that makes us free. why the fark is it not a national holiday so more people could vote?

...because more people would vote, obviously. and that is bad for republicans.

And what, be like those socialist Europeans...I think not. Actually most them do it on the weekend and over the course of a few days to get the maximum number of votes in.


You know, I'd like to eliminate early voting and move election day to a Saturday. (Or at least shrink the window of early voting to only be allowed after all the debates happen so we could at least pretend that having the two people squaring off for the job actually matters.)
 
2012-10-20 11:26:27 PM  

Mrbogey:
This thread and half the politics tab hasn't convinced you otherwise? That takes some effort to hold onto that belief.


I try not to judge people's rationality based solely on internet comments, but the very fact that I am bothering to come into a Fark political tab proves I am not rational, so you might have a point
 
2012-10-20 11:27:45 PM  

Mrbogey: Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


If you could drop the partisan bullshiat for two minutes, you don't think this is even a little shady?
 
2012-10-20 11:28:19 PM  
FWIW, I'm in Ohio and voted early on an electric voting machine with paper verification. So, I'm concerned about this but not worried.
 
2012-10-20 11:28:46 PM  
If it is close, they will steal it.
 
2012-10-20 11:31:08 PM  

quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


In a few minutes on Google I found:

- an HIG press release about their "strategic investment" in Hart Intercivic
- HIG on the list of Romney's top contributors

As I was starting to cross check the names of HIG bigwigs against Solamere/Romney/Bain, I came across this article that's already done that.

Then I got distracted by something shiny and lost interest. I don't think that it's a case of "if it was happening, we would have already heard about it", I think it's more that it's a complicated spiderweb of financing that we didn't know we should be looking for, and that isn't easy to explain in easily digested soundbites.
 
2012-10-20 11:32:38 PM  
So do Democrats fear technology or do democrats fear butterfly ballots? I can never keep this straight.

Or is it that democrats fear that if there are enough voting machines, there won't be any lines when the polls close and they won't have any way to know how many votes they need when the first results start coming in?

(Hey it works for Chavez and Dems routinely petition the courts to extend voting times every election so I suspect it's the latter.)
 
2012-10-20 11:37:13 PM  
I hear they will actually be rigged to vote for Obama

It's Tagg's ultimate Oedipal revenge for his dad naming him Tagg.

/I think I just used a made up word, it's all good though
 
2012-10-20 11:38:28 PM  
Haven't these machines already been hacked? Are they networked?
 
2012-10-20 11:39:56 PM  

Chimperror2: So do Democrats fear technology or do democrats fear butterfly ballots? I can never keep this straight.

Or is it that democrats fear that if there are enough voting machines, there won't be any lines when the polls close and they won't have any way to know how many votes they need when the first results start coming in?

(Hey it works for Chavez and Dems routinely petition the courts to extend voting times every election so I suspect it's the latter.)


0/10
 
2012-10-20 11:41:08 PM  
Will FOX cover this story?
 
2012-10-20 11:42:00 PM  

simplicimus: Haven't these machines already been hacked? Are they networked?


I'm sure they used condoms this time.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-10-20 11:42:24 PM  

apoptotic: quickdraw: Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.

Weeeell thats not exactly true. But in any event if somebody with close ties to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines for use in swing states we would all have heard all about it.

As we should have.

/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause

In a few minutes on Google I found:

- an HIG press release about their "strategic investment" in Hart Intercivic
- HIG on the list of Romney's top contributors

As I was starting to cross check the names of HIG bigwigs against Solamere/Romney/Bain, I came across this article that's already done that.

Then I got distracted by something shiny and lost interest. I don't think that it's a case of "if it was happening, we would have already heard about it", I think it's more that it's a complicated spiderweb of financing that we didn't know we should be looking for, and that isn't easy to explain in easily digested soundbites.


So... are you saying that in the 2008 election if there was a suggestion in the media that someone close to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines that no one would have said anything cuz its complicated?
 
2012-10-20 11:42:35 PM  
"sick" is exactly the right tag for this
 
2012-10-20 11:48:25 PM  

cman: Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio?


Well, the guy that was programming the things was killed in a small airplane accident the day before he was going to testify there was something amiss with the voting machines in Ohio.

Reminds me of when CIA director Casey died of a brain tumor the week before he was going to testify before congress.
 
2012-10-20 11:50:17 PM  

Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.

Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


-The elections weren't close enough.

-The heat was on, (Try to remember there had been shenanigans like shiatty machines just not working in 2004 and that whole Ohio thing with destroyed records and mysterious deaths) and it was bad enough Diebold had to change its name.

-Shenanigans of this sort are always at state and county level, if the states they're in don't matter; they don't matter.

I actually don't believe in the 2004 conspiracy theory (More specifically I think any shenanigans were too incompetent to have an effect) but you need a better "Armor-piercing question" than that.

And once again, it's a question of appearances. If I were to hold a "Gobama" sign right outside a polling station on election day it wouldn't change the results, but it would be illegal and rightfully so. Candidates for public office should not own the companies counting the votes nor should the companies counting the votes be ANYTHING but open and transparent.
 
2012-10-20 11:52:03 PM  
quickdraw:
So... are you saying that in the 2008 election if there was a suggestion in the media that someone close to the Obama campaign had been buying voting machines that no one would have said anything cuz its complicated?

No, actually I didn't mean to comment on 2008 at all, and just had a minor brain fart. While reading multiple posts/pages at the same time I misread your post as suggesting if the current (ie Romney) situation was true we'd have already heard about it. My post would have been better situated in reply to one of the posts questioning TFA's credibility/asking if any of the mainstream media had picked up the story.

Mea culpa.
 
2012-10-20 11:52:50 PM  
And now I've compounded my initial error with an HTML fail. Time for me to do something else for a while. *headdesk*
 
2012-10-20 11:58:12 PM  
Well, that's that. Hello President Romney. Hello tax increase. Been nice knowing you people of Iran. Hope none of Romney's Israeli Bombs from God hit your children.

/he would smirk
 
2012-10-21 12:02:39 AM  

TheOther: If it is close, they will steal it.


Bad news. It's close.

But the good news is that the GOP's Plan A for stealing the election this year was all of the voter suppression laws passed in GOP-controlled states. And most of those have now been struck down by the courts, thankfully.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:03 AM  
Oh and to add to the speculation

Miami County Ohio Election official resigns under weird circumstances

Now there very well be an innocuous explanation for all of this, but there is enough of an appearance of impropriety that I'm going to conclude fraud was involved if Romney wins Ohio in contradiction to all the polling data which says Obama has the lead in the state.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:35 AM  
Jesus Christ, you can't enter most competitions if a relative works for the company, but a Presidential candidate's son can buy a fkn voting machine business?

And dickheads in this thread are trying to say that people who look askance at this are conspiracy nuts or something?

Can you imagine the shiatstorm if Obama's sister bought one of these companies?

FOX would start a whole new channel dedicated to this one fkn story. "Conservatives" would not shut up, EVER. Gun and ammo sales would go through the roof.

Obama kicked ass in a free and fair election four years ago, and huge numbers of "conservatives" still think he's "illegitimate."
 
2012-10-21 12:04:08 AM  

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


I have the weirdest boner right now.
 
2012-10-21 12:05:26 AM  

Whatthefark: Looking at the Washington's Sec.Of State website, it shows 22 counties are going to be using Hart InterCivic machines to count votes. However, Washington state only uses them for counting, not for the actual vote casting. All voting in Washington is done via mail. If there is any question with Washington's numbers, the paper trail can clear it up.


That's why we have a paper trail. Washington's voting system works well, and there's no benefit at present to changing it, so we're not changing it.
 
2012-10-21 12:09:29 AM  
Not ONE "conservative" in this thread is willing to admit this is at MINIMUM sketchy. Or admit if it were Obama rather than Romney, it would be a national crisis from the right.

Not a farking SHRED of honesty from any of you "conservatives".
 
2012-10-21 12:14:05 AM  

apoptotic: And now I've compounded my initial error with an HTML fail. Time for me to do something else for a while. *headdesk*


lol!

Dont hurt yourself.
 
2012-10-21 12:15:03 AM  

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 12:19:33 AM  
Hanging chads gave us 8 years of Bush and over a decade of war.
 
2012-10-21 12:19:44 AM  
FARTBONGO
 
2012-10-21 12:22:37 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Obama kicked ass in a free and fair election four years ago, and huge numbers of "conservatives" still think he's "illegitimate."


And him losing reelection will solidify their four-year campaign to delegitimize his place in history. Undo the good he accomplished while gifting credit for an inevitable recovery to a plutocrat who did fark all to deserve the White House besides persistently lying and withholding details of his brilliant plan.

So vote. You run a risk of having your vote not count if you do, but your vote DEFINITELY won't count if you stay home.
 
2012-10-21 12:24:35 AM  

mediablitz: Not ONE "conservative" in this thread is willing to admit this is at MINIMUM sketchy. Or admit if it were Obama rather than Romney, it would be a national crisis from the right.

Not a farking SHRED of honesty from any of you "conservatives".


I'm a conservative and I admit that if this was Obama I would have a hard on 24/7. I swear on the grave of the great Ronald Reagan that we will bring Obama to justice. Not to say that us conservatives are not without compassion. We would allow Obama to serve out his sentence in his home country of Kenya. There he would be cast into the Pit of Carkoon, the nesting place of the all powerful Sarlacc, were he will be feed fried chicken and water melon. After that we would get a rope and drag him behind a pickup truck until he was dead. Dead. Dead. Rap him in a Confederate Flag and hang the body from a tree for the good children of the South to witness the death of first and last black man to sit in the WHITE House. God bless America.

/farking white people
 
2012-10-21 12:26:18 AM  
I'm skeptical the national vote is at all legitimate and on the up and up. Machines or not.

I'll still vote because if I'm right I only wasted 20-30min of my time, if I'm wrong my vote counts and is needed to those that align with my politics.
 
2012-10-21 12:27:12 AM  
Most people are knuckle dragging uneducated simpletons, of course they'll accept Romney if he wins.
 
2012-10-21 12:30:13 AM  
Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.
 
2012-10-21 12:39:08 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.


I miss him too.

//Loves me some Weiner!!!
 
2012-10-21 12:40:23 AM  

Granny_Panties: Well, that's that. Hello President Romney. Hello tax increase. Been nice knowing you people of Iran. Hope none of Romney's Israeli Bombs from God hit your children.

/he would smirk


If Obama wins Colorado + New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, or Florida, he doesn't need Ohio. Not and, or. Meaning winning any of those = Win based upon current polls.

Given that 538's now-cast AND future-cast have him as winning CO + NH AND Ohio and do not have much data yet from the 2nd debate, there's some safety net there, and Virginia has been bouncing back and forth pretty regularly.
 
2012-10-21 12:47:11 AM  

Brainsick: Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.


Vote by mail is fantastic. Oregon here, just received my ballot today. Will set aside some time to complete it tomorrow and take it to the ballot drop a few blocks from my house (saves me a stamp).

The President will get my vote (though he'll win Oregon with or without it). Looking forward to giving a finger to the war on drugs, also - voting yes on Measure 80.
 
2012-10-21 12:48:12 AM  

Brainsick: Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.


Yeah, but sadly the rest of the country is voting from the mid-1970s, technology-wise.

/Edison invented an accurate, electric vote tabulator for Congress in the late 19th century. No one in either house would even consider it, as there was no way to game the system as they were used to.
//They finally installed something like it decades later.
 
2012-10-21 01:01:36 AM  

Whatthefark: Looking at the Washington's Sec.Of State website, it shows 22 counties are going to be using Hart InterCivic machines to count votes. However, Washington state only uses them for counting, not for the actual vote casting. All voting in Washington is done via mail. If there is any question with Washington's numbers, the paper trail can clear it up.


This is an important thing to note:

The paper trail can clear it up only if the ballots are recounted by hand.

Scenario (a really simplified one):

1000 people vote, and they vote 550 for Obama and 450 for Romney. This is what is actually marked on the ballots.

The ballot scanning and counting machine and its software secretly flip 1 in 10 Obama votes to Romney.
The vote is thus recorded Obama 495, Romney 505.
The margin is within one-half of one percent (5 votes), this triggers an automatic recount in many states.
They stack all the ballots in the machine again, per recount rules, and they get Obama 495, Romney 505 again.
The machine obviously was right, case closed, unless someone really wants to pony up lots of money for lawyers and potentially pay for a hand count and all that.

Change the margin to flip 1 in 8 votes from Obama to Romney. You get Obama 482, Romney 518, this is outside the one-half of one percent margin, no automatic recount.

If there's actually an exit poll, it's supposed to show Obama 55%, Romney 45%. The margin of error for an exit poll is typically within 3-4%. If it actually came up 49.5% Obama, 50.5% Romney, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Let's also assume we're not talking about Washington's all-vote-by-mail, and say we're in a state that has early voting. The exit polling tries to take into account early voting but the bulk happens on Election Day, and all signs are early voting favors Dems, so exit polling on Election Day could have a large Republican bias, Thus it's easier for the exit poll to have numbers skewed for Romney that help cover up the vote switching going on inside the black box machines.

Thus, nobody would be alerted to shenanigans going on.

End scenario.
 
2012-10-21 01:03:39 AM  
Voting machines should have the tightest possible safeguards.

1. Not connected to the internet at any time nor to each other.
2. The votes should be stored with in each separate voting machine.
3. Their should always be a paper trail to back up the electronic data.
4. There should be multiple keys required to extract the voting data or upgrade the machine or input data to prepare for an upcoming election. No one at the election sites should have they keys.
5. all machines must be stored in a secured location and guarded location be tween elections , all upgrades and data input must be carried out under armed guard and each machine shall be checked for viruses or malware before being dispatched to voting sites under armed guard.
6. if a machine is replaced for any reason the machine being replaced should be destroyed by incineration.
7. they should be manufactured by the federal goverment. No elected official should have access to the manufacturing facility. This includes the president.
 
2012-10-21 01:12:13 AM  

grimlock1972: Voting machines should have the tightest possible safeguards.


The ironic thing is that the 2000 election lead to Federal money being made available to buy new electronic voting machines. Here in Philly, where we'd never had major problem with mechanical voting machines bought in the 1960s, we got new machines because the money was there to purchase them.

/the upside is they kept the layout of the old machines
//and we haven't had any reported problems with them
///but they don't have a mechanically-operated curtain which opens after you hit the "VOTE" button, so I always feel like I haven't really voted.
 
2012-10-21 01:13:11 AM  

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.
Go back to a system that is independently verifiable with a paper trail to keep everyone honest and stop this crap of only complaining when you think it doesn't benefit your candidate.



Are you kidding? I was up in arms about the electronic voting machines since they were introduced, and many libs I know were pretty upset too. Then again, we are tech people and maybe have a different perspective than most people.
 
2012-10-21 01:15:09 AM  
No one even remotely close to a major candidate for office should be able to do this kind of thing, makes sense.

They would have looked a hell of a lot better by sitting this one out.
 
2012-10-21 01:15:25 AM  

Saturn5: Democrats didn't have a problem with electronic voting machines in 2008.


The 2008 election was such a landslide that we could have held the election by voice vote.
 
2012-10-21 01:15:30 AM  

quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause



I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.
 
2012-10-21 01:17:17 AM  

coyo: quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.


No, actually i saw a whole bunch of folks that were happily supporting the man and his plan.
Bonus: Downtown at the busiest intersection, cars honking.

Kind of disturbing, really. They weren't just "voting against Obama."
 
2012-10-21 01:23:50 AM  

whidbey: coyo: quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.

No, actually i saw a whole bunch of folks that were happily supporting the man and his plan.
Bonus: Downtown at the busiest intersection, cars honking.

Kind of disturbing, really. They weren't just "voting against Obama."


Fascinating. I wonder what they thought his plan was.
 
2012-10-21 01:24:43 AM  
So no one has linked the video of that guy who programmed the voting (from 2004) machines to flip votes yet or, was that video bs?
 
2012-10-21 01:25:03 AM  
Apparently it's too much to ask that the party that's been suppressing voters at all levels of command since before the election even started not be the ones purchasing voting machines. I'm somehow supposed to extend the benefit-of-the-doubt to a bunch of monsters who shred voter registration forms? You're asking me to be naive to the point of complacency.
 
2012-10-21 01:27:32 AM  

coyo: whidbey: coyo: quickdraw:
/there are are no Romney supporters on Fark
//Poor Romney - all he has are slacker trolls to champion his cause


I'm not sure if I have ever met someone who actually supports Romney. I've met plenty who are voting against Obama though, which is a slightly different thing.

No, actually i saw a whole bunch of folks that were happily supporting the man and his plan.
Bonus: Downtown at the busiest intersection, cars honking.

Kind of disturbing, really. They weren't just "voting against Obama."

Fascinating. I wonder what they thought his plan was.


Obama isn't doing anything they can directly relate to, I guess. They must think Romney's going to jumpstart the economy by cutting taxes and drilling for oil. Yeah, I agree, it's farking stupid.
 
2012-10-21 01:28:38 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: You're asking me to be naive to the point of complacency.


img.gawkerassets.com
Problem?
 
2012-10-21 01:28:54 AM  
The first rule of voting machine software: voting machine software may not harm a conservative, or through inaction, allow a conservative to come to harm........
 
2012-10-21 01:40:16 AM  
This is really really bad.
 
2012-10-21 01:44:40 AM  
"Charnin looked at 300 presidential state exit polls from 1988 to 2008, 15 elections would be expected to fall outside the margin of error. Shockingly, 137 of the 300 presidential exit polls fell outside the margin of error.

What is the probability of this happening? "One in one million trillion trillion trlllion trillion trillion trillion," said Charnin....132 of the elections fell outside the margin in favor of the GOP. We would expect eight."
 
2012-10-21 01:46:03 AM  
Chance of Liberal Loss = Frequency of Rigged Election Conspiracy Stories
 
2012-10-21 01:48:25 AM  
But... but... ACORN!
 
2012-10-21 01:50:54 AM  

The Gentleman Caller: Anthony Wiener, please come back. All is forgiven, just nail these bastards.


This, this, and more this. The guy didn't even have an affair, he just sent a picture of his dick. He pissed me off by lying about it, but still. He was the only real liberal on the national stage with a set of huevos big enough to call people out on there idiocy.

Meanwhile, Republican Congressmen who were caught with teenage boys were calling for his resignation for such "disgraceful behavior" and the democrats roll on him too.

Now, I suppose we have Bernie Sanders, but he has the charisma of a wet sack of clay. I want that fireball from New York with a funny name back.
 
2012-10-21 01:53:30 AM  
I am so glad they posted this, not my original headline but posted none the less.

What are the legal routes. Can the machines be suspended by a courts injunction with only 15 or so days to go?

The community has to move on this. Who cares if the corp gets some money, just don't let them rig the elections. Legal action now and fast.

as for GLENLIVID'S comment. I know here in miami, which is a GOP dominated area that the elections are very rigged. The AG for our state doesn't touch south florida. WE have a mob running it down here and it's spread it's cancer. So i don't think that Obama can depend on Florida.
 
2012-10-21 01:56:07 AM  

bromah: I am so glad they posted this, not my original headline but posted none the less.

What are the legal routes. Can the machines be suspended by a courts injunction with only 15 or so days to go?

The community has to move on this. Who cares if the corp gets some money, just don't let them rig the elections. Legal action now and fast.

as for GLENLIVID'S comment. I know here in miami, which is a GOP dominated area that the elections are very rigged. The AG for our state doesn't touch south florida. WE have a mob running it down here and it's spread it's cancer. So i don't think that Obama can depend on Florida.


If any of that is actually true, then how did Obama win it last time? Wouldn't the party bosses have done the same thing in 2008?
 
2012-10-21 01:58:42 AM  
Keep trying Libs...

i211.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 02:00:46 AM  

SouthParkCon: derp


You were saying?
 
2012-10-21 02:02:32 AM  
Man, Romney is a real piece of wor...

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


blog.wtfconcept.com
 
2012-10-21 02:03:27 AM  

quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

 
2012-10-21 02:14:54 AM  
Simplest answer

Romney likes buying stuff that makes him rich. So:

1- Big elections are coming up.

2- High correlation between election machine demand and elections

3- Profit
 
2012-10-21 02:14:57 AM  

whidbey: SouthParkCon: derp

You were saying?


Grrrr, angry granola eating Progressive is angry.

Your tears will taste so sweet come November. Would you like me to book you a ticket out of the country now or after Mitt takes office?
 
2012-10-21 02:15:55 AM  

SouthParkCon: herpa derpa


doo
 
2012-10-21 02:17:21 AM  
Imagine the headline:

Craig Robinson, brother-in-law of President Obama, buys voting machines in Ohio.

...just f*cking IMAGINE what AM radio would sound like...the internet would shut down as the entire series of tubes asploded from overload...just imagine

But a Romney buys voting machines in swing states, and libs are delusional paranoids grasping at straws.

The right has a shiat-fit over what time Obama used which words...but a candidate's son buying voting machines? No prob. 

Un-farking-believable
 
2012-10-21 02:20:37 AM  

whidbey: SouthParkCon: herpa derpa

doo


Slurpy, Slurp.
 
2012-10-21 02:22:23 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Imagine the headline:

Craig Robinson, brother-in-law of President Obama, buys voting machines in Ohio.

...just f*cking IMAGINE what AM radio would sound like...the internet would shut down as the entire series of tubes asploded from overload...just imagine

But a Romney buys voting machines in swing states, and libs are delusional paranoids grasping at straws.

The right has a shiat-fit over what time Obama used which words...but a candidate's son buying voting machines? No prob. 

Un-farking-believable


Well it kind of makes sense.

The Romneys are putting up their own hard-earned money to preserve democracy by buying voting machines to be used in places where people have been either been fooled into voting Obama or there is rampant undetected voter fraud (see=photo IDs).

Neutral voting machines will ensure that no Democrat voter tampering takes place.
 
2012-10-21 02:23:15 AM  

whidbey: SouthParkCon: herpa derpa

doo


Ever notice how conservative trolls not only don't have a sense of humor, but don't even understand snark? Yet they are perfectly capable of constructing the highest-pitched dog whistles.
 
2012-10-21 02:25:19 AM  

SouthParkCon: whidbey: SouthParkCon: herpa derpa

doo

Slurpy, Slurp.


That's how your posts sound to people who don't watch Fox News.
 
2012-10-21 02:25:53 AM  
 
2012-10-21 02:34:46 AM  
Even if this was totally innocent and legitimate, no one in the Romney campaign, or Romney family, or Romney himself thought, "Hold on, this is going to look really bad."

No, it's just Romney saying, "Fark you, peons." As usual.
 
2012-10-21 02:34:58 AM  
This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.
 
2012-10-21 02:37:08 AM  

Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.



Richard Pryor Movies? Or wait, I think I counted a few Volkswagens in there or something. Didn't get the rest of the references. Anyone else?
 
2012-10-21 02:42:47 AM  

whidbey: Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.


Richard Pryor Movies? Or wait, I think I counted a few Volkswagens in there or something. Didn't get the rest of the references. Anyone else?


Beats me. Why pack me up if this guy's moving to Canada?
 
2012-10-21 02:45:34 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Brainsick: Washington state here, already completed my ballot. I love this system...I got to look up the local candidates and ballot measures on my laptop, and vote whilst sitting on my bed. America. F*ck Yeah.

Vote by mail is fantastic. Oregon here, just received my ballot today. Will set aside some time to complete it tomorrow and take it to the ballot drop a few blocks from my house (saves me a stamp).

The President will get my vote (though he'll win Oregon with or without it). Looking forward to giving a finger to the war on drugs, also - voting yes on Measure 80.


Michigan here.

Unless you're over 65 you need a "reason" to vote absentee. Since my work (non partisan non profit) does Get Out The Vote whatnot every election day I get to check "do not expect to be in district". Got my absentee ballot last week - since I *always* work/volunteer out of my district on election day, I now get *asked* by my clerk via mail if I need an absentee ballot before every election. An extra step but random school board only election? Yeah I got it.

It's my own vote by mail.

Still jelly though.
 
2012-10-21 02:53:56 AM  
i.imgur.com

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.
 
2012-10-21 02:57:44 AM  
In fairness, rigging the voting machines in a critical state and putting your dad in the White House would be a pretty sound investment.

If one did such things...
 
2012-10-21 03:06:47 AM  
So let me get this straight... The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

Take a step back and think about that for a moment... here it is again... to help it sink in:

The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

And you want us to trust your judgement about anything? Really?
 
2012-10-21 03:20:01 AM  

cman: Mugato: cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic

You're right, there's absolutely nothing shady about this at all.

Do you believe that Bush stole the 04 elections by rigging machines in Ohio? Do you believe that the corporate America is working to reestablish debtors prison? Hw about destroying very single labor law in existence?


Yes, yes, and yes. But those aren't opinion questions.
 
2012-10-21 03:26:39 AM  
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
2012-10-21 03:42:31 AM  

JohnnyC: So let me get this straight... The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

Take a step back and think about that for a moment... here it is again... to help it sink in:

The Romney family buys up a bunch of voting machines and, for some of you, your first reaction is, "The Democrats are bad and they're trying to steal the election."

And you want us to trust your judgement about anything? Really?


Seriously, this.

Black guys stand outside a polling station, intimidate nobody: OUTRAGE.
ACORN workers hand it fraudulent registrations, which are immediately reported as such, in an attempt to get paid a little more: OUTRAGE.

President is elected because of voting 'issues' in a state governed by his brother" *crickets*
Presidential candidate's family buys voting machines in a crucial swing state: *Crickets*.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Republicans will do anything to get in power. And anyone who is willing to break the rules to get power should not be in power And the sad thing is, a good chunk of the country will STILL vote for the scumbags just to stick it to the imaginary "Liberals".

It doesn't matter that their view of the opposition is based on a strawman..."Liberal" is just a label for "the enemy", just like "Communist" was during the McCarthy era. It's a convenient way to get the poorer classes to vote against their interests. And it's sickening.
 
2012-10-21 03:46:04 AM  
Eisenhower was right. Military-industrial complex is what is backing Romney. That's why they want more wars. Sell more weapons.

They had best repent, or they will rot in hell.

/not joking
 
2012-10-21 03:52:22 AM  

log_jammin: the more things change, the more they stay the same.


Look, you might have survived Cleveland, but this is the FPT, vato...
 
2012-10-21 03:59:16 AM  

whidbey: log_jammin: the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Look, you might have survived Cleveland, but this is the FPT, vato...


Over Macho Grande?
 
2012-10-21 04:18:59 AM  
So is the one who bought them the same douchecanoe that said he wanted to take a swing at the president?
If so... Well shiat.
 
2012-10-21 05:39:19 AM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-21 05:50:10 AM  

LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 05:50:43 AM  

Gwyrddu: Oh and to add to the speculation

Miami County Ohio Election official resigns under weird circumstances

Now there very well be an innocuous explanation for all of this, but there is enough of an appearance of impropriety that I'm going to conclude fraud was involved if Romney wins Ohio in contradiction to all the polling data which says Obama has the lead in the state.


That and the way Husted is still restricting early voting hours despite the SCOTUS telling him he can't.
 
2012-10-21 05:50:51 AM  

quickdraw: Hmmm only found one sorta shop of Romney as Jesus - and just a couple of him as Hitler. But there was this....

[images.sodahead.com image 260x352]


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 06:16:32 AM  

LordJiro: It doesn't matter that their view of the opposition is based on a strawman..."Liberal" is just a label for "the enemy", just like "Communist" was during the McCarthy era. It's a convenient way to get the poorer classes to vote against their interests. And it's sickening.


It wasn't even new then. Hearts and Pulitzier did it in the late 19th century to turn Socialists, Communists, Wobblies, Trade unionists and anyone else who stood up for worker's rights into bomb-throwing radicals in the eyes of the general public.
 
2012-10-21 06:23:54 AM  

Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.
if Obama loses a rigged election, he wouldn't actually be voted out

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.


I hope you're trolling, because most reasonable people and most liberals would rather see Romney in the White House than see Obama win a rigged election. If the only way a candidate can win is to cheat then that candidate doesn't deserve to win. It's despicable to suggest that you'd accept the results of a rigged election just to have the candidate you don't support removed from office.

/supporting election fraud isn't very patriotic
 
2012-10-21 06:47:33 AM  

Funk Brothers: This is important. Romney needs to win this election. Americans don't want handouts, they would rather work. We need a job creator, not a Tumblr social activist in the White House. I don't care if it's rigged, Obama need to be voted out of office.

I wish a certain group of poor people and those who support Obama need to shut up. Obama is a bad person and he's destroying our country with his policies such as DADT, healthcare reform, and higher taxes. If Americans don't like Romney, I'll you pack up and move to Canada.


Man i hope your kidding or just trolling. So how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?
 
2012-10-21 07:07:06 AM  

MurphyMurphy: I hear they will actually be rigged to vote for Obama

It's Tagg's ultimate Oedipal revenge for his dad naming him Tagg.

/I think I just used a made up word, it's all good though


Tagg is not a made up word, just a creative name.

/oh, wait
 
2012-10-21 07:24:59 AM  
They think the Dems and every dem voter won't be watching with a microscope. They think the Dems forgot about the 2000 election and they think that If romney gets elected that paybacks for the crap they pulled in the last four years are not going to be a beiatch. Good luck with that.
 
2012-10-21 07:35:15 AM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2012-10-21 07:47:09 AM  
cman: Mitt Romney, with the help of his family and Bain Capital connections, is more than willing to try to take the White House through illegitimate and highly unethical, if not specifically illegal means.

I'm glad to see you finally thinking.
 
2012-10-21 07:48:02 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: They think the Dems and every dem voter won't be watching with a microscope. They think the Dems forgot about the 2000 election and they think that If romney gets elected that paybacks for the crap they pulled in the last four years are not going to be a beiatch. Good luck with that.


Except they know they control most of the media. And the media they don't directly control is terrified of coming off as "liberally biased".

If the election is stolen, no matter how much evidence there is, Fox and the 'tards on AM radio will shriek about "libs" being poor losers. Other mainstream outlets may report on the 'allegations' of fraud, but will quietly drop it as the Christmas season rolls around. And, since there's almost no chance that Congress will end up with a filibuster-proof Dem majority, Republicans can hold up any investigations. And I have no faith that the current SCOTUS would rule against even the most blatant Republican fraud.
 
2012-10-21 07:49:00 AM  

LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.


And that's part of why, on election day, I will not vote for anyone with an R next to their name. An I or a D, sure. An R? No way in farking hell. They've proven time and time again that they are party before country and a danger to us all.
 
2012-10-21 08:00:27 AM  

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


Yeah, I'm sure if Michelle Obama purchased voting machines in a swing state you and the rest of our friends on the Right would smile and say "oh, that's nice" instead of screaming bloody murder.
 
2012-10-21 08:07:22 AM  
What November 6th May Look Like

/replace 2008 with 2012 and McCain with Romney
 
2012-10-21 08:09:28 AM  

heinekenftw: LordJiro: [i.imgur.com image 330x517]

The Republican filth aren't even trying to hide it anymore. And of course, no matter how much evidence of fraud there is, the good little Republican bootlickers will deny everything.

And that's part of why, on election day, I will not vote for anyone with an R next to their name. An I or a D, sure. An R? No way in farking hell. They've proven time and time again that they are party before country and a danger to us all.


Yep. Voting Democrat for national elections. If any third parties are running for local seats, I may vote for them.

But I wouldn't vote Republican if there was a gun to my farking head.
 
2012-10-21 08:48:50 AM  

Kevin72: The only dead voter Republicans ever found was a man who voted absentee and died before the election.


That's because the dead are *really good* at hiding.
 
2012-10-21 09:10:59 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Kevin72: The only dead voter Republicans ever found was a man who voted absentee and died before the election.

That's because the dead are *really good* at hiding.


some of the best hide and go seek players I've ever come across.
 
2012-10-21 09:25:15 AM  

cman: quickdraw: cman: That is why I brought those up. It is about sociology. People believe that Bush stole the election in 04 because they want to believe it. They will always assume the very worse and used any twisted facts to base their conclusions on.

No sociology would be a discussion about how the hegemonic elite are using their privilege to control the underclass.

This is a thread about how a candidate is buying voting machines.

...and using them to rig the elections. Leaving out the last part makes your statement valid; but adding back the last part makes mine valid.


would you still be saying this if it were Soros or Kerry buying the machines? Somehow I doubt it...
 
2012-10-21 09:58:40 AM  

randomjsa: Chance of Liberal Loss = Frequency of Rigged Election Conspiracy Stories


Now, let's pass a bunch of voting restrictions while screaming about Democrats and voter fraud.
 
2012-10-21 10:50:15 AM  

NFA: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Brilliant


I wonder if it is galling to Americans (with a brain) that most third world countries now have both better health care systems and more secure democratic processes than you.
 
2012-10-21 11:01:19 AM  

xria: NFA: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Brilliant

I wonder if it is galling to Americans (with a brain) that most third world countries now have both better health care systems and more secure democratic processes than you.


That's impossible. America is exceptional, so her health care systems and democratic process are best in the world, by definition.
 
2012-10-21 11:04:33 AM  
The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.
 
2012-10-21 11:08:38 AM  

You Are All Sheep: The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.


As someone pointed out earlier, a paper trail is useless if the recount is done by the same machines that generated the erroneous count in the first place.
 
2012-10-21 11:21:31 AM  
Can you imagine the outcry if a close relative of Obama's owned vote-counting machines? Mass pants-shiatting would ensue. There would not be one set of magical underwear left unspoiled in the nation.
 
2012-10-21 11:29:19 AM  
So the Romney family chose a new investment, did they? I thought they were supposed to be savvy investors; one wonders why their holdings in electronic voting machines aren't more diversified.
 
2012-10-21 11:35:12 AM  

qorkfiend: You Are All Sheep: The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.

As someone pointed out earlier, a paper trail is useless if the recount is done by the same machines that generated the erroneous count in the first place.


Nope, you 'hanging chad' it. Hand count. I've been taught since I was young that the most important thing I can do as an american citizen is to vote. For it to be gamed so easily is reprehensible. If I can get a receipt for a pack of gum, I should be able to get one for voting.
 
2012-10-21 11:35:53 AM  
Granted, I haven't watched a lot of news today but Fark and now FB are the only places that I'm seeing this story covered. WTF America?
 
2012-10-21 11:45:22 AM  

You Are All Sheep: qorkfiend: You Are All Sheep: The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.

As someone pointed out earlier, a paper trail is useless if the recount is done by the same machines that generated the erroneous count in the first place.

Nope, you 'hanging chad' it. Hand count. I've been taught since I was young that the most important thing I can do as an american citizen is to vote. For it to be gamed so easily is reprehensible. If I can get a receipt for a pack of gum, I should be able to get one for voting.


Of course, but if the state's election laws pass over a hand recount (much more time-consuming and prone to "observer bias") in favor of an electronic one...
 
2012-10-21 11:55:41 AM  

Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.

Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.


They didn't want to use the same tactics thrice?

For the record, I don't really believe that the GOP stole the 2004 elections. I think they did a lot of shady near-disenfranchising in important, Democratic areas, but that and stuff like the Swift Boat BS is a lot more reflective of "eking out the election through underhanded means" than "stealing it."

At this point, though, you really have to be an idiot or disingenuous to believe that the 2000 election wasn't stolen. But of course by nothing as blatant as simply hacking voting machines. Loads of black people stricken off the voting roles in Florida because their names happened to be similar to those of felons? Denying a perfectly justifiable recount? Confusing ballots in a county full of elderly Democrats? It's not even conspiracy stuff, it's common sense.
 
2012-10-21 12:01:17 PM  

cptrios: Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Actually, the politics tab is a great place to see the consistent lack of rationality within the GOP.

Uh huh... Wanna tell me how the GOP was so awesome at stealing elections in 2000, 2004, and then suddenly failed completely in 2006 and 2008? Did they lose the password to the voting machines? And yet that's the conspiracy theory we got in this thread.

They didn't want to use the same tactics thrice?

For the record, I don't really believe that the GOP stole the 2004 elections. I think they did a lot of shady near-disenfranchising in important, Democratic areas, but that and stuff like the Swift Boat BS is a lot more reflective of "eking out the election through underhanded means" than "stealing it."

At this point, though, you really have to be an idiot or disingenuous to believe that the 2000 election wasn't stolen. But of course by nothing as blatant as simply hacking voting machines. Loads of black people stricken off the voting roles in Florida because their names happened to be similar to those of felons? Denying a perfectly justifiable recount? Confusing ballots in a county full of elderly Democrats? It's not even conspiracy stuff, it's common sense.


For farks sake, the fact that things were so shady and mucked-up in a state run by the brother of the candidate who ended up winning should raise bigass red flags.
 
2012-10-21 12:30:46 PM  

TheBigJerk: [i75.photobucket.com image 589x640]

Whether or not the 2004 conspiracy theory has merit and whether or not the only chance the Republicans have is criminal action one thing is clear. The conflict of interest and the lack of transparency that voting machines are rife with is a problem. It is not enough to do right, one must avoid the appearance of doing wrong.

Then again even that isn't enough if you're a democrat, see birtherism.


Yeah, I'm going to call bunk on much of that comparison. I worked for an election supply company in Michigan. First off, the public is welcome to any and all equipment certifications before elections. By law the clerks must post notices in local papers and on community notice boards that a testing will be done at x time and y place. a test cannot be conducted if no member of the public shows up. We have a test deck of ballots that anyone can inspect that are designed to give certain repeatable results. The public can actually feed those ballots into the machine themselves, the tally is printed up and inspected to be correct. Once this is done, the machine has its tally cleared and is then sealed with a lock with a serial number, which is recorded by the tester, the clerk, and anyone else who cares to do so, to ensure that nothing else can be changed between testing certification and the actual election.

As to the software.... While it is proprietary, anyone with a remedial education in computer programming working for the township/city/county clerks can easily tell you how it works and what exactly it does. It is not complicated software.

The machines themselves (the ones I worked with use paper ballots) cannot be tampered with wirelessly, are about as technologically advanced as an Atari 2600, and the chipset had to be certified by the state before they could be used, so I'm pretty sure they have chips to compare to if things were really brought up questioning the truthiness of the results.

As to calling about complaints and not getting answers.... Not only were we on hand Election Day to handle technical issues, but we often had to go to voting sites to meet state officials who were called there to investigate any claim of fraud or other misdeeds.
 
2012-10-21 12:43:46 PM  

msupf: I worked for an election supply company in Michigan.


Unfortunately, Ohio is the state we're discussing.
 
2012-10-21 12:45:04 PM  

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


I voted here in Ohio on 10/17 using one of the machines. After you finish verifying your vote, you have to then press a print button and it generates a receipt of your vote behind a piece of glass.

I made a joke to one of the poll workers that I expected to get a receipt, and he launched into a detailed explanation of a planned audit of 10% of all votes cast to ensure the accuracy of the machines.

Seems pretty legit to me.
 
2012-10-21 01:07:07 PM  

infinite or drunken eight: There is no logical way to deny this is not epically shady:

There are literally tens-of-thousands of public and private companies that one could invest in. But of all the companies in the world, the ROE from investing in Hart Intercivic simply could not be ignored!!!!.


It's right in line with Romney's blind trust manager also being his personal lawyer and long time friend, and that the trust invested $10 million into his campaign manager's hedge fund

Contrast this with Obama's approach, from the same article linked above:

"As a freshman senator, Barack Obama-whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties-set up a blind trust...decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds-about the most transparent option available. ...."

Romney isn't fit for president. Obama and the Liberals are far from 'optimum', but that people are so passionate about advancing the fortunes of a Republican machine screwing them over so hard is a modern wonder of social engineering.
 
2012-10-21 02:18:28 PM  

schubie: Granted, I haven't watched a lot of news today but Fark and now FB are the only places that I'm seeing this story covered. WTF America?


A few things on Kos too. Minor outrage.
 
2012-10-21 02:32:00 PM  
Forbes has this story today, albeit in their Op/Ed section.
 
2012-10-21 02:37:24 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: FlashHarry: why the fark do we allow private for-profit companies to manufacture these machines? they should be manufactured by a nonpartisan government agency. and every single electronic vote should be backed up by a paper ballot.

Elections Canada does a good job of this. In fact, they skip the machines and keep the paper ballots.


EC takes voting very seriously. I remember a few years back there was a "eat your vote" campaign. EC was not happy and went on record saying if you ate your ballot you would go to jail for vote tampering. Vote tampering carries a 2 year sentence and 2000$ fine per instance of tampered votes.
 
2012-10-21 03:55:46 PM  

qorkfiend: You Are All Sheep: The easiest way to tell if electronic voting machines are set up for fraud, is if they will give you a receipt of your votes that you could turn in for re-scan if something happened with the records. No receipt? Then the system is set up to be gamed.

As someone pointed out earlier, a paper trail is useless if the recount is done by the same machines that generated the erroneous count in the first place.


It's even more useless if the counters are a partisan election board trying to divine chads and "voter intent."
 
2012-10-21 04:24:28 PM  

RockofAges: derp



Pretty much sums up all your posts. I'd be retiring this login.
 
2012-10-22 12:15:47 PM  

cman: I like how democrats like to spout of idiotic conspiracy theories. Not as bad as birtherism or trutherism, but still moronic


Umm, paper trails that lead to a source are not a conspiracy. Obama's birth certificate "conspiracy" should have ended as soon as the paper trail ended. Instead, it just turned into a bunch of morons with names like cman who demand more proof when the legal proof has already been provided. Like Conservative comedian Ron White says "You can't fix stupid". And he knows stupid... he frequents the south often.
 
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