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(Sports on Earth)   Editor in chief of "Bicycling" magazine chose to ignore Lance Armstrong doping allegations because it would have been bad for business. After all, makers of helmets, sunglasses, $400 bike shorts, and $15,000 road bikes paid his staff's salaries   (sportsonearth.com) divider line 28
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2012-10-20 02:53:02 PM
I dunno; I tend to ignore allegations as well.
 
2012-10-20 04:20:30 PM

ArcadianRefugee: I dunno; I tend to ignore allegations as well.


But he's a media outlet, he has a responsibility to demonize everyone for being accused of anything, before any of the facts are out.
 
2012-10-20 04:50:30 PM
It's not called Politics magazine...
 
2012-10-20 05:18:15 PM
Ah, the justifications and "I knew it all along" responses have started rolling in. Yawn.
 
2012-10-20 07:22:45 PM

RedPhoenix122: ArcadianRefugee: I dunno; I tend to ignore allegations as well.

But he's a media outlet, he has a responsibility to demonize everyone for being accused of anything, before any of the facts are out.


Doing research is obviously biased journalism.
 
2012-10-20 07:50:10 PM

coco ebert: Ah, the justifications and "I knew it all along" responses have started rolling in. Yawn.


I've been looking for the old threads to see if I can find a ref to it, but I've been talking about it since 09-10. Not in the HAHA, you are going down way, but in the "it's going to suck for cancer research and the great story, but I've got this feeling he'll eventually get his" way. It's always been a too much has been stacking up and one day the dam will break and everyone will come out with their piece of the puzzle.

Mind you, I still had hope during his second run of tours, particularly when he was in 2nd that Contador would dope and he'd be clean (so the French would have to give him a title due to doping). Alas, it doesn't appear to be that way.
 
2012-10-20 07:58:22 PM
And at the end of the day it's still about a bike rider.
 
2012-10-20 08:44:50 PM
fark Lance Armstrong.
I never cared. I don't care now. I'll choose my own heroes.

Once again George Carlin was dead on years ago.
Link
 
2012-10-20 08:49:42 PM
"What do you think? It's a dirty sport. "
 
2012-10-20 08:50:56 PM
I probably would have used the FAIL tag.
 
2012-10-20 09:05:20 PM
Armstrong hadn't tested positive. Armstrong DESTROYED the lives of anyone who even suggested he was doping. It took a multi-million dollar organization YEARS to finally get enough evidence.

Pissing on this guy for not "going after" Armstrong is ridiculous.
 
2012-10-20 09:21:22 PM
Here's what I don't understand about the whole Lance Armstrong controversy: If during those seven Tours de France he was doping and the other contestants were clean--he won. If he was doping and the other contestants were doping--he won. If he was clean and the other contestants were clean--he won. If he was clean and the others were doping-- he won. If he was doping and some contestants were clean and some were doping--he still won. By any combination the man still won seven Tours. He seems to be a complete tool as a human being, but he's certainly a formidable athlete.
 
2012-10-20 09:27:34 PM
Well, since it's all hearsay I'm OK with that.
 
kab
2012-10-20 09:29:33 PM
Subby is terrible at shopping for bike gear.
 
2012-10-20 09:39:14 PM

LeilaK: Here's what I don't understand about the whole Lance Armstrong controversy: If during those seven Tours de France he was doping and the other contestants were clean--he cheated. If he was doping and the other contestants were doping--everyone cheated. If he was clean and the other contestants were clean--he won. If he was clean and the others were doping-- he won. If he was doping and some contestants were clean and some were doping--he cheated, as did some others. By any combination the man still won seven Tours. He seems to be a complete tool as a human being, but he's certainly a formidable athlete.


FTFY.

Armstrong and his teammates were certainly formidable cheats. Whether others cheated as well as they did - who knows - perhaps more will come out in the future.

In recent Tours, rider power/mass (in watts/kg) has been declining, which suggests that it's more about human ability than drug enhancement.

Tour de France: Are drug-free cyclists slower?
The Tour de France and the statistics of cheating
 
2012-10-20 09:54:07 PM
I still think lance is innocent. It is merely a coincidence that everyone he ever met and everyone he ever rode with said under oath he cheated. Talk about bad luck!!!
 
2012-10-20 09:58:16 PM
Yeah, I'm not going to fault ANYONE who whistled and looked the other way, given the countless examples of outright legal thuggery unleashed by Armstrong's camp against anyone who had anything even remotely negative to say about Lance.
 
2012-10-20 10:19:41 PM
"Bicycling" has been Rodale's biggest profit maker since they bought it.
 
2012-10-20 10:42:35 PM

iron de havilland: Armstrong and his teammates were certainly formidable cheats. Whether others cheated as well as they did - who knows - perhaps more will come out in the future.

In recent Tours, rider power/mass (in watts/kg) has been declining, which suggests that it's more about human ability than drug enhancement.

Tour de France: Are drug-free cyclists slower?
The Tour de France and the statistics of cheating


I've no problem with your word changes, none at all. Performance enhancing drugs are indeed illegal, ie, cheating. However, if the criteria for winning is primarily "who finished the event in the fastest time?" Armstrong did, seven times. If he was doping and all/most of the peloton wasn't, drugs plus his own physiology and training benefits certainly gave him a very unfair advantage. But if all/most of the other cyclists were also using PEDs, then it might not have been an unfair advantage. No matter how one looks at it Armstrong had the overall best time in seven events. 

Just curious, what is the status of the second-place cyclists in each of Armstrong's wins? Did they pass testing too?
 
2012-10-20 10:59:52 PM
Odd, I just assumed everyone in the top 25... 50... in cycling was doping
 
2012-10-20 11:00:41 PM

LeilaK: iron de havilland: Armstrong and his teammates were certainly formidable cheats. Whether others cheated as well as they did - who knows - perhaps more will come out in the future.

In recent Tours, rider power/mass (in watts/kg) has been declining, which suggests that it's more about human ability than drug enhancement.

Tour de France: Are drug-free cyclists slower?
The Tour de France and the statistics of cheating

I've no problem with your word changes, none at all. Performance enhancing drugs are indeed illegal, ie, cheating. However, if the criteria for winning is primarily "who finished the event in the fastest time?" Armstrong did, seven times. If he was doping and all/most of the peloton wasn't, drugs plus his own physiology and training benefits certainly gave him a very unfair advantage. But if all/most of the other cyclists were also using PEDs, then it might not have been an unfair advantage. No matter how one looks at it Armstrong had the overall best time in seven events. 


It certainly took ball.

Just curious, what is the status of the second-place cyclists in each of Armstrong's wins? Did they pass testing too?

I really don't know. My interest in the TdF peaked when Bradley Wiggin won, being a fellow countryman of mine. And that's when those BBC reports on cheating in the TdF were produced. Armstrong would have beaten Wiggin, but there's compelling statistical evidence that TdF riders have been cleaning up their act recently, particularly in the fact that rider W/kg is down and times are down.

If it turns out that Wiggin cheated, sure, strip him of his titles and ban him from competition. Based on statistical analysis, however, he seems to have won it fair and square.

/Unlike team USPS.
 
2012-10-20 11:07:01 PM
I still think Lance is the USPS's savior. Think about it, he is the prototype roided mail carrier on bike! Able to cover ground much more quickly than non roided carriers, no need for jeeps, just ten speeds. Only problem I can imagine is that they would probably kill a lot of innocent pit bulls just to blow off steam, and well, each other of course but what's new. You guys should write me in when you vote, I have many more common sense solutions to society's problems.
 
2012-10-21 02:35:44 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Odd, I just assumed everyone in the top 25... 50... in cycling was doping


At this point, top 1,000? I wouldn't be surprised.
 
2012-10-21 03:00:09 AM

LeilaK: Just curious, what is the status of the second-place cyclists in each of Armstrong's wins? Did they pass testing too?


Eurosport went back to the Tours won by Lance and found the top three "probably clean". The new winners include Cadel Evans, Danielle Nardelo and Carlos Sastre (two of whom actually won later)
 
2012-10-21 04:21:38 AM
Still not caring... But wanted you all to know.

/still got both my nuts
 
2012-10-21 02:10:19 PM
The EPO era in cycling need to be asterisked and it is time for people to move on. Cycling was dirty long before the EPO era.

In the 1920s it was cocaine. In the 1940s-1950s it was stimulants. In the 60s, use of hormones and other drugs was so rampant several riders had very public, very bizarre breakdowns culminating with Tom Simpson dying of an overdose in 1967. In the 1970s five time champ Eddy Merckx was busted. In the 1980s things were quiet because new ways to cheat were discovered. EPO, blood doping and advancing masking technology ensured that by the early 1990s, pretty much everyone was doping.

Just let the past be. There's no way to untangle the mess. Just like Baseball.
 
2012-10-22 08:50:26 AM
Rabobank has fully withdrawn sponsorship of their cycling team based on a positive test by one of the team riders.

/if other sponsors have those balls to pull the rug out from underneath then maybe the sport could recover.
//not likely though
 
2012-10-22 10:40:06 AM

kab: Subby is terrible at shopping for bike gear.


LOL came in to say this
 
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