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(USA Today)   Consumers reaction to Windows 8: WTF is this shiat?   (usatoday.com ) divider line 168
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2012-10-20 12:21:31 PM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com 
Just getting that out of the way...
 
2012-10-20 12:34:25 PM  
Yeah ... my computer isn't just a really big tablet, jackasses.

I don't have a touch screen monitor.
 
2012-10-20 01:10:17 PM  
I understand what Microsoft was trying to do...having one common GUI for phones, tablets and PCs sounds like a good idea. The problem is there's no transition between the traditional Start Menu and the new interface. Businesses won't adopt it...it would cost WAY too much to retrain staff considering most have finally migrated to Windows 7 from Windows XP.

This will be a failure of epic proportions from Microsoft....it may be up there with Bob.
 
2012-10-20 01:34:43 PM  

slayer199: considering most have finally migrated to Windows 7 from Windows XP.


Heh. Last estimate I read said less than 40% have fully transitioned to 7 from XP.
 
2012-10-20 01:44:04 PM  
"It was very difficult to get used to," he said. "I have an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old, and they never got used to it. They were like, 'We're just going to use Mom's computer.'"

Ouch. You won't see that quote in a commercial.
 
2012-10-20 01:58:11 PM  

dramboxf: Heh. Last estimate I read said less than 40% have fully transitioned to 7 from XP.


That doesn't surprise me. I know most companies are refreshing with Windows 7. The real problem is that there are apps that don't work with IE8-9 so companies that want to refresh are stuck with XP or application virtualization/VDI/etc in order to get around that.
 
2012-10-20 02:06:52 PM  

slayer199: dramboxf: Heh. Last estimate I read said less than 40% have fully transitioned to 7 from XP.

That doesn't surprise me. I know most companies are refreshing with Windows 7. The real problem is that there are apps that don't work with IE8-9 so companies that want to refresh are stuck with XP or application virtualization/VDI/etc in order to get around that.


Yeah. A company I worked for had a custom-made $500,000 SCADA application that ran in a custom framework. It's used to "fuel inject" coal-burning power plants to reduce NOx emissions. The software was written by a subcontractor. Imagine their surprise when they found out it simply will not work in Win7 without a complete rewrite.
 
2012-10-20 05:52:14 PM  
Once again, Microsoft Fail
 
2012-10-20 06:30:36 PM  

kmmontandon: Yeah ... my computer isn't just a really big tablet, jackasses.

I don't have a touch screen monitor.


I tried to use a Windows 8 preview on a computer with a standard keyboard and mouse, and it was a disaster. I had to resort to using a lot of keyboard shortcuts.

If you're going to upgrade at all, you probably need a trackpad.
 
2012-10-20 06:41:32 PM  
Tony Roos, an American missionary in Paris, installed a free preview version of Windows 8 on his aging laptop to see if Microsoft's new operating system would make the PC faster and more responsive. It didn't

Shocking.
 
2012-10-20 07:01:09 PM  
They'll get over it.
 
2012-10-20 07:01:21 PM  
www.megaleecher.net
 
2012-10-20 07:01:35 PM  
YGOI
 
2012-10-20 07:03:29 PM  
i158.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-20 07:05:05 PM  
Windows 8 is the single biggest reason I may switch to some flavor of *nix. It just looks like you lose so much screen real estate and functionality.

/Totally uninformed opinion based on the promo images I've seen.
 
2012-10-20 07:15:01 PM  
the "change" is really not that bad. If you have a touch interface, you may find the tiles nice and easy to use, if you want to be in a normal desktop environment, it's one click away. There are "things" you can do to even put the "start" button back on the taskbar. Or you can press "windows button" + X to get easy access to all the things you need. I have a desktop for development, a laptop for everything, and have used a "yet to be released" device. It was all fine. And, as someone that actually witnessed the development of BOB, this is nowhere near that. Calm down.
 
2012-10-20 07:19:50 PM  

liverpool1892: Windows 8 is the single biggest reason I may switch to some flavor of *nix. It just looks like you lose so much screen real estate and functionality.

/Totally uninformed opinion based on the promo images I've seen.


Microsoft is doing such a bad job of marketing, at least to nerds. You're not going to lose much of anything, because you can operate on the classic desktop.

If you don't want to use Metro, you'll basically be running Win7 with quicker startups, better performance and battery life, and no start button.
 
2012-10-20 07:20:30 PM  

thermo: if you want to be in a normal desktop environment, it's one click away.


It should be zero clicks away

No, I haven't used Windows 8 yet
 
2012-10-20 07:22:02 PM  
Thing is, Windows 8 has a "desktop" option which looks like the traditional Windows desktop. And it's actually more practical for a non-touchscreen set-up. Microsoft will be fine... my guess is in the next iteration of Windows 8, MS will make the "desktop" the default for laptops and desktops, and the standard start screen the default for tablets and phones.

Frankly it's kind of stupid for MS to attempt to make a standard UI across the board.... different mediums have different needs. But now I'm digressing...
 
2012-10-20 07:30:35 PM  

natmar_76: thermo: if you want to be in a normal desktop environment, it's one click away.

It should be zero clicks away

No, I haven't used Windows 8 yet


I "think" there is a way to do that as well.
 
2012-10-20 07:30:35 PM  

Supes: Thing is, Windows 8 has a "desktop" option which looks like the traditional Windows desktop. And it's actually more practical for a non-touchscreen set-up. Microsoft will be fine... my guess is in the next iteration of Windows 8, MS will make the "desktop" the default for laptops and desktops, and the standard start screen the default for tablets and phones.

Frankly it's kind of stupid for MS to attempt to make a standard UI across the board.... different mediums have different needs. But now I'm digressing...


Windows 8 previews used to allow the user to directly boot to the desktop interface. Last I heard, they removed that option from the release version. They really want to force people to get used to Metro, whether they want it or not.
 
2012-10-20 07:31:45 PM  
Didn't they learn from their LAST suicide note? If people didn't want Vista, why do they think people would want 8, especially with 7 doing everything one could want AND being supported through 2020?
 
2012-10-20 07:33:26 PM  

slayer199: I understand what Microsoft was trying to do...having one common GUI for phones, tablets and PCs sounds like a good idea. The problem is there's no transition between the traditional Start Menu and the new interface. Businesses won't adopt it...it would cost WAY too much to retrain staff considering most have finally migrated to Windows 7 from Windows XP.

This will be a failure of epic proportions from Microsoft....it may be up there with Bob.


Unless you work for HP...
 
2012-10-20 07:34:34 PM  

dramboxf: slayer199: dramboxf: Heh. Last estimate I read said less than 40% have fully transitioned to 7 from XP.

That doesn't surprise me. I know most companies are refreshing with Windows 7. The real problem is that there are apps that don't work with IE8-9 so companies that want to refresh are stuck with XP or application virtualization/VDI/etc in order to get around that.

Yeah. A company I worked for had a custom-made $500,000 SCADA application that ran in a custom framework. It's used to "fuel inject" coal-burning power plants to reduce NOx emissions. The software was written by a subcontractor. Imagine their surprise when they found out it simply will not work in Win7 without a complete rewrite.


I love it when contractors are smarter than the MBAs that outsource work to "save money".
 
2012-10-20 07:38:24 PM  

slayer199: I understand what Microsoft was trying to do...having one common GUI for phones, tablets and PCs sounds like a good idea. The problem is there's no transition between the traditional Start Menu and the new interface. Businesses won't adopt it...it would cost WAY too much to retrain staff considering most have finally migrated to Windows 7 from Windows XP.

This will be a failure of epic proportions from Microsoft....it may be up there with Bob.


Yeah, I agree about it sounding like a good idea. It certainly sounds good from a marketing perspective and maybe the idea originated from a marketer's desk.

But MS should have looked at what Apple is doing. Apple, with their control of the tablet market, still has a traditional looking OS for their notebooks and desktops.

Further, MS could have looked at the shiatstorm that is Ubuntu Unity, where the classic desktop look has disappeared in favour of something more tablet oriented. The usability of Ubuntu Unity on a desktop or notebook sucks pretty hard, however, and Ubuntu users are switching over in droves to interfaces like Mint, which have that classic desktop feel.

/Linux Mint with Cinnamon desktop FTW
 
2012-10-20 07:43:00 PM  
From what I've seen, Win8 would be great if I was setting up a home media server with a touchscreen. And if I ever do, I'll look into it
 
2012-10-20 07:43:02 PM  
Dear Microsoft

I defended you when vista came out. I knew that it was a great OS and people were biatching for no good reason. With that out of the way, I cannot defend this. I am not saying this as an attack against Microsoft. This is not a cheap shot. This is a consumer who really really wants to see a better tomorrow for computers. Windows 8 is a very bad idea. Please, PLEASE, for the love of God, deep six the motherfarking thing.

Sincerely, cman
 
2012-10-20 07:50:58 PM  

oren0: liverpool1892: Windows 8 is the single biggest reason I may switch to some flavor of *nix. It just looks like you lose so much screen real estate and functionality.

/Totally uninformed opinion based on the promo images I've seen.

Microsoft is doing such a bad job of marketing, at least to nerds. You're not going to lose much of anything, because you can operate on the classic desktop.

If you don't want to use Metro, you'll basically be running Win7 with quicker startups, better performance and battery life, and no start button.


Ah, thanks for that info. Although if I can't boot straight to 'classic desktop' as one of the other posters hinted, I'll be a bit annoyed with MS. It is good to know that they have 'classic desktop' still there in case three months down the road everyone decides that tablet view is silly for non-touchscreen PCs.

/Okay, okay, half the reason I like desktop view is so I can set nice wallpapers.
 
2012-10-20 08:03:58 PM  
I used a Beta W8. The login screen is kind of nice. I couldn't figure out how to link the tiles to my current programs, and there wasn't much basic programs to use anyways in the Beta (like games). Then when I tried to uninstall the Beta, it hosed my hard drive/boot sector so that I couldn't install a fresh copy of W7. It will be awhile before I touch the final version of W8 because Windows 7 is running well right now. Don't need the upgrade.
 
2012-10-20 08:05:44 PM  
Meanwhile, the USA Today page design has ripped off the Metro look about as hard as possible without getting slapped with an injunction for calling it Metro.
 
2012-10-20 08:06:18 PM  
XP user here. Best of luck with that MS
 
2012-10-20 08:10:52 PM  
I'm going to use Windows 7 for as long as humanly possible.

I have a client (that constantly fubars her computer) that just forwarded me the "omg do not upgrade" email from NYLife since Win 8 and IE 10 are incredibly scary to the financial community.
 
2012-10-20 08:12:13 PM  
As long as they keep paying a dividend...
 
2012-10-20 08:20:14 PM  

steveGswine: Meanwhile, the USA Today page design has ripped off the Metro look about as hard as possible without getting slapped with an injunction for calling it Metro.


Came here to say this
 
2012-10-20 08:21:59 PM  
WTF another patty to my Windows 7 whopper
 
2012-10-20 08:22:01 PM  
The backup "File History" program and the new "Storage Spaces" are by them selves are worth the upgrade., work very well, looks like a win to me.
 
2012-10-20 08:29:16 PM  

GoodHomer: slayer199: I understand what Microsoft was trying to do...having one common GUI for phones, tablets and PCs sounds like a good idea. The problem is there's no transition between the traditional Start Menu and the new interface. Businesses won't adopt it...it would cost WAY too much to retrain staff considering most have finally migrated to Windows 7 from Windows XP.

This will be a failure of epic proportions from Microsoft....it may be up there with Bob.

Yeah, I agree about it sounding like a good idea. It certainly sounds good from a marketing perspective and maybe the idea originated from a marketer's desk.

But MS should have looked at what Apple is doing. Apple, with their control of the tablet market, still has a traditional looking OS for their notebooks and desktops.

Further, MS could have looked at the shiatstorm that is Ubuntu Unity, where the classic desktop look has disappeared in favour of something more tablet oriented. The usability of Ubuntu Unity on a desktop or notebook sucks pretty hard, however, and Ubuntu users are switching over in droves to interfaces like Mint, which have that classic desktop feel.

/Linux Mint with Cinnamon desktop FTW


I switched to mint too, love it, but can't get my wireless card to work with it.
 
2012-10-20 08:39:27 PM  

Nezu Chiza: especially with 7 doing everything one could want AND being supported through 2020?


winning poast detected

I'm not sure about all the other intricate analysis and scathing/supporting review. And trying to compare it with AOL/Bob crap from almost 20 years ago is just silly and ignores that there is already use and demand for a front end like win8 on some devices.

Now, mobile is one thing, but PC is something else entirely. If this was just a rollout for mobile stuff I'd see no problem with it, but expecting this to carry into the PC world is just dumb.

The reason this will fall flat on it's face is for a PC we already have everything we want in win7.

We've been using this interface for 20 years, if we all wanted something different we'd have bought macs or switched to linux. We simply don't care that much, we just want our windows that we know how to use.

For the life of me I don't know why they insist on trying to reinvent the wheel after proving that all people want is a faster more streamlined version of what works.

xp and 7 were their best products because they did just what was wanted and required. ME, Vista and this were/will be all failures because they try to sell something no one wanted to begin with. (that and the shiat just never worked right)


Dear Bill Gates,

You aren't apple,
your consumers don't want apple,
they don't want you to be apple,
stop trying to be something you aren't.

You are Windows.
You are a button down white or blue shirt with a bland tie.
You drive a midsized sedan of unremarkable make or color that gets to work on time and clocks out at 5.
You go home, eat dinner, pay the bills, watch tv and have ok sex with your wife 3.5 times a month.
But you get the job done, and that's all we want from you. You fill a needed place in the world.

We don't want to be excited about you, we don't care about that.
We just want familiar and dependable.

So stop having the mid life crisis crap and just give us the product we want that works and runs our software.

If you want to sell me crap every few years, make it a faster less buggy version of the last thing I liked, nothing more, nothing less. I'll buy it.

Sincerely,

PC user
 
2012-10-20 08:42:41 PM  

thermo: the "change" is really not that bad. If you have a touch interface, you may find the tiles nice and easy to use, if you want to be in a normal desktop environment, it's one click away. There are "things" you can do to even put the "start" button back on the taskbar. Or you can press "windows button" + X to get easy access to all the things you need. I have a desktop for development, a laptop for everything, and have used a "yet to be released" device. It was all fine. And, as someone that actually witnessed the development of BOB, this is nowhere near that. Calm down.


Or you can just decide not to be part of Microsoft's attempt to turn your PC into a phone UI.
 
2012-10-20 08:46:45 PM  

willabr: The backup "File History" program and the new "Storage Spaces" are by them selves are worth the upgrade., work very well, looks like a win to me.


I think we found the MS employee.
 
2012-10-20 08:48:03 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Nezu Chiza: especially with 7 doing everything one could want AND being supported through 2020?

winning poast detected

I'm not sure about all the other intricate analysis and scathing/supporting review. And trying to compare it with AOL/Bob crap from almost 20 years ago is just silly and ignores that there is already use and demand for a front end like win8 on some devices.

Now, mobile is one thing, but PC is something else entirely. If this was just a rollout for mobile stuff I'd see no problem with it, but expecting this to carry into the PC world is just dumb.

The reason this will fall flat on it's face is for a PC we already have everything we want in win7.

We've been using this interface for 20 years, if we all wanted something different we'd have bought macs or switched to linux. We simply don't care that much, we just want our windows that we know how to use.

For the life of me I don't know why they insist on trying to reinvent the wheel after proving that all people want is a faster more streamlined version of what works.

xp and 7 were their best products because they did just what was wanted and required. ME, Vista and this were/will be all failures because they try to sell something no one wanted to begin with. (that and the shiat just never worked right)


Dear Bill Gates,

You aren't apple,
your consumers don't want apple,
they don't want you to be apple,
stop trying to be something you aren't.

You are Windows.
You are a button down white or blue shirt with a bland tie.
You drive a midsized sedan of unremarkable make or color that gets to work on time and clocks out at 5.
You go home, eat dinner, pay the bills, watch tv and have ok sex with your wife 3.5 times a month.
But you get the job done, and that's all we want from you. You fill a needed place in the world.

We don't want to be excited about you, we don't care about that.
We just want familiar and dependable.

So stop having the mid life crisis crap and just give us the product we want tha ...


Bill Gates hasn't been involved in anything but his wife's charity work since about 2002.

The asswit you want is Balmer. And all his yes-men syncophants.
 
2012-10-20 08:53:42 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Nezu Chiza: especially with 7 doing everything one could want AND being supported through 2020?

winning poast detected

I'm not sure about all the other intricate analysis and scathing/supporting review. And trying to compare it with AOL/Bob crap from almost 20 years ago is just silly and ignores that there is already use and demand for a front end like win8 on some devices.

Now, mobile is one thing, but PC is something else entirely. If this was just a rollout for mobile stuff I'd see no problem with it, but expecting this to carry into the PC world is just dumb.

The reason this will fall flat on it's face is for a PC we already have everything we want in win7.

We've been using this interface for 20 years, if we all wanted something different we'd have bought macs or switched to linux. We simply don't care that much, we just want our windows that we know how to use.

For the life of me I don't know why they insist on trying to reinvent the wheel after proving that all people want is a faster more streamlined version of what works.

xp and 7 were their best products because they did just what was wanted and required. ME, Vista and this were/will be all failures because they try to sell something no one wanted to begin with. (that and the shiat just never worked right)


Dear Bill Gates,

You aren't apple,
your consumers don't want apple,
they don't want you to be apple,
stop trying to be something you aren't.

You are Windows.
You are a button down white or blue shirt with a bland tie.
You drive a midsized sedan of unremarkable make or color that gets to work on time and clocks out at 5.
You go home, eat dinner, pay the bills, watch tv and have ok sex with your wife 3.5 times a month.
But you get the job done, and that's all we want from you. You fill a needed place in the world.

We don't want to be excited about you, we don't care about that.
We just want familiar and dependable.

So stop having the mid life crisis crap and just give us the product we want tha ...


Bill Gated hasn't worked at Microsoft in like a decade.

/i agree with you 100% otherwise.
 
2012-10-20 08:54:18 PM  
Tony Roos, an American missionary in Paris, installed a free preview version of Windows 8 on his aging laptop to see if Microsoft's new operating system would make the PC faster and more responsive. It didn't, he said, and he quickly learned that working with the new software requires tossing out a lot of what he knows about Windows.

Someone I'm working with has updated from Win 7 to Win 8 and claims that boot times are noticeably faster. I also read some benchmarks of an audio company that put their application on Windows 8 and saw improvements.

For me it's simple. I'm on Vista, I want SSD performance (and SSD isn't properly supported in Vista). MS are giving me a £25 upgrade option. After that, I need to pay $5 for Start 8. I think the tablet interface is a mistake - there's a big difference in how people use tablets and PCs that mean that they don't easily join.
 
2012-10-20 08:57:25 PM  
Is there a way to test-drive Windows 8 without actually installing it on my computer? I only have the one at the moment, and it would be a huge loss if it went down for any length of time.

Looking for an emulator or online, click-thru preview type of thing. Anyone know of something like that?
 
2012-10-20 08:58:06 PM  

dramboxf: Yeah. A company I worked for had a custom-made $500,000 SCADA application that ran in a custom framework.


Either they were using custom device drivers or they were calling unpublished kernel functions. Given the new driver subsystem introduced in Vista, they're kinda farked with the first issue. If they were doing the second, they're retards.

Driver models change. You couldn't use Win3 drivers in Win9x or NT3, Win9x drivers in NT, or drivers prior to NT6 in NT6. MacOS, Linux, BSD and many other OSes are the same.

And unpublished kernel functions are unpublished because they are subject to change or disappear. That's why you're supposed to use an abstraction API like WinAPI to make your calls. If you do want to use them, at least include routines for falling back to WinAPI if an OS version check fails.
 
2012-10-20 09:05:49 PM  

PetraeusWJ: Is there a way to test-drive Windows 8 without actually installing it on my computer? I only have the one at the moment, and it would be a huge loss if it went down for any length of time.

Looking for an emulator or online, click-thru preview type of thing. Anyone know of something like that?


Virtualbox is free
 
2012-10-20 09:11:46 PM  

slayer199: I understand what Microsoft was trying to do...having one common GUI for phones, tablets and PCs sounds like a good idea. The problem is there's no transition between the traditional Start Menu and the new interface. Businesses won't adopt it...it would cost WAY too much to retrain staff considering most have finally migrated to Windows 7 from Windows XP.

This will be a failure of epic proportions from Microsoft....it may be up there with Bob.


We JUST bought our first round of Windows 7 machines a month ago. Maybe we'll just bypass Windows 8 altogether.
 
2012-10-20 09:17:50 PM  
Maybe they should call it "Shutters" instead of "Windows?" I'm a proud user of Windows XP, btw.
 
2012-10-20 09:19:05 PM  

farkeruk: For me it's simple. I'm on Vista, I want SSD performance (and SSD isn't properly supported in Vista).


My advice would be to switch to windows 7 and ride that out until this upcoming disaster falls on its face and MS fixes it with windows 9, or whatever the hell they decide to call it.

And really, is saving 15 seconds or so on boot up worth having a tablet UI shoved down your throat?
 
2012-10-20 09:20:15 PM  

bubbadave1056: Maybe they should call it "Shutters" instead of "Windows?" I'm a proud user of Windows XP, btw.


Vista was an unmitigated shiat pile, but 7 is worth it.
 
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