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(MSNBC)   1st Native American approved for sainthood after Vatican proclaims disease cure to be "medically inexplicable", because if there's anyone who knows their science, it's the Catholic Church   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 89
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2012-10-20 12:32:47 PM  
There are a whole host of things to criticize the Catholic Church for, but as a Christian denomination, they are remarkably science-friendly. They believe in the Big Bang. They have their own Vatican astronomer.

They believe and teach that science is a way of understanding God's creation..as opposed to saying that science conflicts with religion.

Granted, historically the Church clashed with science. That's not the case anymore, though.
 
2012-10-20 12:35:05 PM  
The Pontifical Academy of Sciences currently include folks like Stephen Hawkings and Paul Berg and has in the past included folks like Niels Bohr, Max Planck, Erwin Schrodinger, and Werner Heisenberg. Oh and then there is the Vatican Observatory and the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. And that Evolution has been official Catholic Doctrine since Humani generis in 1950. And the Big Bang since 1951 - and that was even first conceptualized by a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaitre.

So yeah - the church is pretty good on science actually. 
Not perfect, but pretty damn good.
 
2012-10-20 01:17:16 PM  
Hi guys, what's going on in this thread?
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2012-10-20 01:17:57 PM  
Holy Relic:
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2012-10-20 01:30:13 PM  
It always amazes me how the Catholic church is able to find candidates for sainthood from whatever group they're targeting for a membership drive

/it's like a frikkin miracle
 
2012-10-20 01:37:07 PM  
Don't these poor people have enough problems as it is, thanks to farkers like the Catholic Church?
 
2012-10-20 01:38:24 PM  
You know what else is a miracle? Traveling 500mph through the air in an aluminum can and safely arriving at a predetermined location.
 
2012-10-20 01:41:02 PM  
Who the hell starts a headline with "1st"? Really? BAD SUBBY.
 
2012-10-20 01:41:08 PM  
Jake is fully convinced, as is the church, that the prayers his family and community offered to Kateri, including the placement of a relic of the soon-to-be saint on Jake's leg, were responsible for his survival.

Yeah, well many of them and lots of their followers believe the Virgin Mary and Jesus hang out on pieces of toast, sawn wood and panes of glass at the car wash, and that statues can cry, so I'll take that into consideration
 
2012-10-20 01:41:19 PM  
However it happened; can't we just be happy for the kid's family? Not go hooting and hollering like a Mohawk war party about aspects of the Catholic Church we don't like?

/ probably too much to ask
 
2012-10-20 01:41:52 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You know what else is a miracle? Traveling 500mph through the air in an aluminum can and safely arriving at a predetermined location.


No, because you can explain it (and reproduce it). If someone went to Jupiter and never explained how they did it, THAT would be a miracle.
 
2012-10-20 01:43:15 PM  

corronchilejano: AverageAmericanGuy: You know what else is a miracle? Traveling 500mph through the air in an aluminum can and safely arriving at a predetermined location.

No, because you can explain it (and reproduce it). If someone went to Jupiter and never explained how they did it, THAT would be a miracle.


The predetermined location is on Jupiter.

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2012-10-20 01:46:15 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You know what else is a miracle? Traveling 500mph through the air in an aluminum can and safely arriving at a predetermined location.


Go back to bed, Insane Clown Posse.
 
2012-10-20 01:46:28 PM  
fta Jake's 2006 cure from the infection was deemed medically inexplicable by the Vatican,

I guess they don't know... (⌐■_■) ... how?
 
2012-10-20 01:50:53 PM  
Nothing yet on the irony of the Catholic Church sainting an American Indian for people RECOVERING from disease?
 
2012-10-20 01:51:11 PM  

Notabunny: fta Jake's 2006 cure from the infection was deemed medically inexplicable by the Vatican,

I guess they don't know... (⌐■_■) ... how?


*GROAN*
 
2012-10-20 01:51:14 PM  

shivashakti: There are a whole host of things to criticize the Catholic Church for, but as a Christian denomination, they are remarkably science-friendly. They believe in the Big Bang. They have their own Vatican astronomer.

They believe and teach that science is a way of understanding God's creation..as opposed to saying that science conflicts with religion.

Granted, historically the Church clashed with science. That's not the case anymore, though.


Jesuit educated non-Catholic here. This bears repeating.
 
2012-10-20 01:51:45 PM  
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2012-10-20 01:52:29 PM  
I didn't realize arguments from ignorance was a saint-worthy offense.
 
2012-10-20 01:53:15 PM  

bwilson27: Don't these poor people have enough problems as it is, thanks to farkers like the Catholic Church?


Apparently not.
 
2012-10-20 01:54:12 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Holy Relic:
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Ignatius? Is that you?
 
2012-10-20 01:56:22 PM  

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2012-10-20 02:01:30 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You know what else is a miracle? Traveling 500mph through the air in an aluminum can and safely arriving at a predetermined location.


No, the real miracle would be doing that without having a bunch of high school dropouts on minimum wage grope you and steal from your luggage.
 
2012-10-20 02:02:59 PM  
Patron Saint of Blackjack?
 
2012-10-20 02:05:33 PM  
FTFA: Known as the "Lily of the Mohawks," Kateri was born in 1656 to a pagan Iroquois father and an Algonquin Christian mother in what is today upstate New York. Her parents and only brother died when she was 4 during a smallpox epidemic that left her badly scarred and with impaired eyesight.

Prolly thanks to infected blankets "generously" given to them by Catholic settlers.
 
2012-10-20 02:07:07 PM  
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Even Injuns believe in Caturday.
 
2012-10-20 02:07:10 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You know what else is a miracle? Traveling 500mph through the air in an aluminum can and safely arriving at a predetermined location.


No, that's not the miracle. The miracle is when your luggage also arrives at the same destination AND nothing is missing from your checked bags.
 
2012-10-20 02:07:15 PM  
The Catholics needed a token Native American, huh?

/Cherokee-Cheyenne-Welsh-English
//Sick of the damn Sioux getting all the press.
///At least the Catholics aren't saying the Native Americans were really red-skinned Jews, like Romney's religion does.
 
2012-10-20 02:08:12 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x877]


I was just reading about him last night so Im getting a kick....
 
2012-10-20 02:08:33 PM  
In fairness it's nice to see a story about the Catholic Church and a vulnerable boy that has a happier ending than usual.
 
2012-10-20 02:08:44 PM  

bwilson27: Don't these poor people have enough problems as it is, thanks to farkers like the Catholic Church?


If by farkers like the catholic church you mean U.S. nationalism and the westward expansion, sure.
 
2012-10-20 02:09:31 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Patron Saint of Blackjack?


The other day; I went into an Indian casino and the greeter said:

" Hey how are ya; hey how are ya; hey how are ya; hey how are ya; hey how are ya."

/ I keed, I keed
 
2012-10-20 02:11:39 PM  
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Oh hai guyz
 
2012-10-20 02:12:58 PM  

urger: The Pontifical Academy of Sciences currently include folks like Stephen Hawkings and Paul Berg and has in the past included folks like Niels Bohr, Max Planck, Erwin Schrodinger, and Werner Heisenberg. Oh and then there is the Vatican Observatory and the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. And that Evolution has been official Catholic Doctrine since Humani generis in 1950. And the Big Bang since 1951 - and that was even first conceptualized by a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaitre.

So yeah - the church is pretty good on science actually. 
Not perfect, but pretty damn good.


Hacks, the lot of them!
 
2012-10-20 02:14:14 PM  

shivashakti: There are a whole host of things to criticize the Catholic Church for, but as a Christian denomination, they are remarkably science-friendly. They believe in the Big Bang. They have their own Vatican astronomer.

They believe and teach that science is a way of understanding God's creation..as opposed to saying that science conflicts with religion.

Granted, historically the Church clashed with science. That's not the case anymore, though.


This. Compared to other Christian sects, they are way more science-friendly. Especially if we're talking about American Evangelicals or Fundamentalists. That shiat is cray cray....

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2012-10-20 02:16:09 PM  

jaytkay: FTFA: Known as the "Lily of the Mohawks," Kateri was born in 1656 to a pagan Iroquois father and an Algonquin Christian mother in what is today upstate New York. Her parents and only brother died when she was 4 during a smallpox epidemic that left her badly scarred and with impaired eyesight.

Prolly thanks to infected blankets "generously" given to them by Catholic settlers.


Last I read that was a standard practice influenced by nationalism and not limited to Catholic settlers, and as a matter of fact I seem to remember Catholics taking a largely indoctrination approach while the genocidal acts mostly fell to other groups.

Tell me, which to you find to be the lesser of two evils? Murder or conversion?
 
2012-10-20 02:23:54 PM  

shivashakti: Granted, historically the Church clashed with science. That's not the case anymore, though.


So determining that a boy's disease was cured by appealing for intercession through prayer to a woman who's been dead for 200 years is embracing science?
 
2012-10-20 02:28:00 PM  

urger: The Pontifical Academy of Sciences currently include folks like Stephen Hawkings and Paul Berg and has in the past included folks like Niels Bohr, Max Planck, Erwin Schrodinger, and Werner Heisenberg. Oh and then there is the Vatican Observatory and the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. And that Evolution has been official Catholic Doctrine since Humani generis in 1950. And the Big Bang since 1951 - and that was even first conceptualized by a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaitre.

So yeah - the church is pretty good on science actually. 
Not perfect, but pretty damn darn good.


...was I the only one to read that in Sheldon's voice.
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2012-10-20 02:31:14 PM  
There couldn't have been another explanation. No way!
 
2012-10-20 02:31:29 PM  
During Mass tomorrow I'm totally doing the tomahawk chop.
 
2012-10-20 02:33:13 PM  
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Also, his midichlorians are OFF THE SCALE!

Clearly, a miracle, thus, a saint!
 
2012-10-20 02:34:21 PM  
It's 2012 ... there is no need for superstition and mythology in our modern society. The Catholic Church is an anachronistic power structure trying to cling desperately to relevance and preserve itself, and it has outlived it's usefulness.

The Vatican has indeed become more accepting of reality in the form of science, and JP2 was a strong force for reform there. However, they continue to cling to and campaign for public policy based on their prejudices, which can have significant negative consequences - birth control, condoms and AIDS, forcing teens to carry pregnancies.
 
2012-10-20 02:38:54 PM  
Because if anyone is clueless about the Catholic Church's close relationship with science, it's submitter.
 
2012-10-20 02:47:12 PM  
The Catholic church's relationship with Science: "it's complicated"
 
2012-10-20 02:55:54 PM  

violentsalvation: Because if anyone is clueless about the Catholic Church's close relationship with science, it's submitter.


Yep, saying prayer to a woman dead for 200 years cured the boy is SO scientific...
 
2012-10-20 02:55:58 PM  
I believed in all that Catholic shiat for a long time so I'm really get a kick out of these replies, especially the ones talking about this great cozy relationship between the RCC and science. Sure, the church supports science -- as long as science gives the results the church wants. It's a great PR move for the church to appear science friendly; however, as a religious organization they lack the requisite humility and willingness to admit error that is central to science. Do you think they're willing to reconsider with an open mind gear towards scientific inquiry whether life really does start at conception? Bullshiat. Nope, when push comes to shove it's "I believe this" or "it's part of our faith" that -- in other words, something you never hear scientists say.
 
2012-10-20 02:57:44 PM  

jaytkay: Prolly thanks to infected blankets "generously" given to them by Catholic settlers.


The settlers were white too, which means all white people today are evil. And they were Europeans, so all Europeans are evil.  And they were human....

/do some people really think like this?
 
2012-10-20 03:00:16 PM  
I wonder if he's any relation to Renee Finkbonner, a Lummi indian girl who tormented me for being a rich white kid at Whatcum Middle School back in the early 70's. If you're reading this, Renee, I always thought you were a big fat mean bully. You eat too much sea lion blubber and fart giant clams, too.
 
2012-10-20 03:02:17 PM  

Peaches N. Regalia: Do you think they're willing to reconsider with an open mind gear towards scientific inquiry whether life really does start at conception?


Are you?
 
2012-10-20 03:09:19 PM  
I'd like to recommend a book here, called "God's Mechanics".
 
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