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(Movie News)   The real story behind that famous photo at the end of Kubrick's "'The Shining". All airbrush and no play makes Jack a dull boy   (movies.com) divider line 83
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2012-10-20 03:05:14 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Fano: limboslam: Manipulating photos before the digital age wasn't that difficult. It wasn't much more time consuming than today either. The biggest difference was that back then you had to get out of your seat a couple times.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 520x395]

Pretty much since the invention of photography

There's actually no manipulation in that photo. It's just a picture of a girl at the bottom of her garden with a bunch of cut-out fairies posed in front of her. There's no reason that the picture should have worked out as well as it did, which is why it fooled so many people who should have known better.


I KNOW ANOTHER FACT: The cut-outs were being moved up and down while the image exposed to give them a slight motion blur and something roughly equivalent to a contrast or shadow/hi-light adjustment made psychically scoring the glass plate after it was developed. (talk about a destructive editing process)
 
2012-10-20 03:18:26 PM  

thamike: natural316: No TV and no beer make Homer something something

Go crazy?


DON'T MIND IF I DO!!!!!
 
2012-10-20 03:27:17 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-20 03:36:02 PM  
Trotsky.
 
2012-10-20 03:42:59 PM  

Now I Is!: I KNOW ANOTHER FACT: The cut-outs were being moved up and down while the image exposed to give them a slight motion blur and something roughly equivalent to a contrast or shadow/hi-light adjustment made psychically scoring the glass plate after it was developed. (talk about a destructive editing process)


Physically manipulating the plate or negative to improve an image was pretty common in the early 20th century, especially in commercial photography. I've got some early 20th century railroad promo pics which have almost been completely repainted in the retouching process. They'd look good enogh in half-tone, but when you see the originals, you notice how heavy-handed the alterations look.
 
2012-10-20 03:56:16 PM  

Pete_T_Mann: with Kubrick even stating that it's proof that Jack was actually a reincarnation of someone who worked at the hotel five decades earlier.

Reincarnation? Thats really lame. I always thought that the picture meant the hotel had sucked Nicholson into it, so he'd be one of the malevolent ghosts there... FOREVER


That is the point of the story, I don't know where reincarnation fits in. The people who die there, usually under violent conditions, become a part of the hotel. That's why the hotel wants the kid to die there, so it'll absorb his power.

The hotel even mocks the dad at one point, saying that maybe it should have gone through the mom since she's proven to be so much more resourceful. If the dad was always part of it, why would the hotel bring that up?
 
2012-10-20 04:04:22 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Ooba Tooba: My brother has an 8x10 of it framed in his creepy living room. Why yes, he IS single ladies:)

I might need something like that, but I think I might put my own face in place of Nicholson's.

/I'd have to work on my creepy stare though.


You need to leave Jack alone, and put your face in somewhere else in the photo. That would be way cooler, and keep the theme alive......
 
2012-10-20 04:22:59 PM  

Birnone: Pete_T_Mann: with Kubrick even stating that it's proof that Jack was actually a reincarnation of someone who worked at the hotel five decades earlier.

Reincarnation? Thats really lame. I always thought that the picture meant the hotel had sucked Nicholson into it, so he'd be one of the malevolent ghosts there... FOREVER

That is the point of the story, I don't know where reincarnation fits in. The people who die there, usually under violent conditions, become a part of the hotel. That's why the hotel wants the kid to die there, so it'll absorb his power.

The hotel even mocks the dad at one point, saying that maybe it should have gone through the mom since she's proven to be so much more resourceful. If the dad was always part of it, why would the hotel bring that up?


The reincarnation thing doesn't make sense. To me, putting him in the picture was just the Hotel absorbing him, essentially like all spirits had always been with it once absorbed. Maybe that makes less sense. Come to think of it, it sounds like timecube thinking. But I think of the hotel as one big collective psyche, so in the party pic I would expect to see ALL the ghosts of people that died over the years in it.

Doesn't that fit with the Grady quote "you've always been the caretaker," or something to that effect?
 
2012-10-20 04:38:05 PM  

limboslam: Manipulating photos before the digital age wasn't that difficult. It wasn't much more time consuming than today either.


media-1.web.britannica.com
 
2012-10-20 04:46:44 PM  

limboslam: Manipulating photos before the digital age wasn't that difficult. It wasn't much more time consuming than today either. The biggest difference was that back then you had to get out of your seat a couple times.


why would they bother airbrushing anything? It's black and white photography and the head is on the black tux of the fellow behind it.. so even I could dodge the original guys face and then burn Jacks face on the same print..

seems really starightforward, what am I missing?
 
2012-10-20 04:51:15 PM  
To continue my odd theory, I assume some kind of "psychic resonance" to work kind of like a stone thrown in a pond, the ripples go in all directions, so the psychic battery of the hotel considers overlapping spirits from different time periods to belong to it whenever it suits the nefarious purposes of the hotel.
 
2012-10-20 04:56:02 PM  

Fano: To continue my odd theory, I assume some kind of "psychic resonance" to work kind of like a stone thrown in a pond, the ripples go in all directions, so the psychic battery of the hotel considers overlapping spirits from different time periods to belong to it whenever it suits the nefarious purposes of the hotel.


boy u have teh SHINNING

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-20 05:58:53 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Article is useless without pictures of both versions as described in the text.
I'd bet that the photos weren't airburshed, either. Someone probably used an exacto knife to cut out Jack's picture and it was pasted onto the background photo, then the two were then rephotographed with Panatomic-X and then reprinted as a final photograph. Probably a few were made in different sizes to be filmed and the best shots were used in the final cut of the film.

/Get off my lawn.


Did you scroll down to the bottom?

I guess not.
 
2012-10-20 06:20:30 PM  

Birnone: Pete_T_Mann: with Kubrick even stating that it's proof that Jack was actually a reincarnation of someone who worked at the hotel five decades earlier.

Reincarnation? Thats really lame. I always thought that the picture meant the hotel had sucked Nicholson into it, so he'd be one of the malevolent ghosts there... FOREVER

That is the point of the story, I don't know where reincarnation fits in. The people who die there, usually under violent conditions, become a part of the hotel. That's why the hotel wants the kid to die there, so it'll absorb his power.

The hotel even mocks the dad at one point, saying that maybe it should have gone through the mom since she's proven to be so much more resourceful. If the dad was always part of it, why would the hotel bring that up?


If the hotel wanted the boy's power by having him die there, then it got that power from Scatman's character, right?

Also, Scatman's character didn't appear in any group photo.
 
2012-10-20 08:24:15 PM  

xaks: Tyrone Slothrop: And if you stop the cross-fade from the wide shot to the close up of Nicholson at just the right place it looks like he has a Hitler mustache, which means that "The Shining" is actually about the Holocaust.

/There is someone who actually believes this

More disconcerting is the idea that there are folks out there that think that something in the public domain, released by Hollywood in the last half century, WOULDN'T be.

Cause they own Hollywood and everything in it, ya see.

*nods


I...don't understand. "The Shining" is in the public domain?

/Maybe if you could, you know, WRITE COHERENTLY, I would understand what you're yapping about
 
2012-10-20 08:35:15 PM  
That read like something from reddit. OMG, TIL that airbrushing used to be done with something called an "airbrush."
 
2012-10-20 09:31:22 PM  

StopLurkListen: Birnone: Pete_T_Mann: with Kubrick even stating that it's proof that Jack was actually a reincarnation of someone who worked at the hotel five decades earlier.

Reincarnation? Thats really lame. I always thought that the picture meant the hotel had sucked Nicholson into it, so he'd be one of the malevolent ghosts there... FOREVER

That is the point of the story, I don't know where reincarnation fits in. The people who die there, usually under violent conditions, become a part of the hotel. That's why the hotel wants the kid to die there, so it'll absorb his power.

The hotel even mocks the dad at one point, saying that maybe it should have gone through the mom since she's proven to be so much more resourceful. If the dad was always part of it, why would the hotel bring that up?

If the hotel wanted the boy's power by having him die there, then it got that power from Scatman's character, right?

Also, Scatman's character didn't appear in any group photo.


That's an error with Kubrick's version. By having that guy die there it raises that obvious issue. It was pointless to have him come all the way back just to get whacked like that.
 
2012-10-20 09:57:19 PM  

Birnone: It was pointless to have him come all the way back just to get whacked like that.


...which had to be Kubrick's point: it's still a kick in the teeth to watch. He was an atheist, so saying "No, some supernatural force isn't going to save you when you need it most.
 
2012-10-20 10:50:52 PM  
The psychic power that Dick Hallorann (the character) had were nothing compared to the boy's.
 
2012-10-20 10:59:11 PM  

StopLurkListen: If the hotel wanted the boy's power by having him die there, then it got that power from Scatman's character, right?

Also, Scatman's character didn't appear in any group photo.


The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. For all you know there's a broom closet full of pictures that just added Scatman. Also, he's black, not likely to be front and center in a photo of a white person party in the roaring 1920's.
 
2012-10-21 12:59:14 AM  
HOLY SH*T!! They FAKED something.... in a MOVIE!?! OVER 30 YEARS AGO!?!?! 

goddamned amazing
 
2012-10-21 01:46:05 AM  

Surool: HOLY SH*T!! They FAKED something.... in a MOVIE!?! OVER 30 YEARS AGO!?!?! 

goddamned amazing


You should probably ask your mommy for a warm bottle and a diaper change; you shouldn't be up this late.

/It's not a "they faked it piece" it's a "how they did it" piece.
//Like I said up thread, I'd always assumed that they just staged the shot, as Kubrick was that kind of crazy.
 
2012-10-21 02:17:00 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Surool: HOLY SH*T!! They FAKED something.... in a MOVIE!?! OVER 30 YEARS AGO!?!?! 

goddamned amazing

You should probably ask your mommy for a warm bottle and a diaper change; you shouldn't be up this late.

/It's not a "they faked it piece" it's a "how they did it" piece.
//Like I said up thread, I'd always assumed that they just staged the shot, as Kubrick was that kind of crazy.


It is absolutely not amazing. I read the piece and couldn't figure out why it is supposed to be fascinating in any way. If you are in any way surprised that photo retouch existed before photoshop, you are a moron. When the movie came out, I'd always assumed they had retouched him into that old photo and did a good job.
 
2012-10-21 02:58:15 AM  

John Buck 41: limboslam: Manipulating photos before the digital age wasn't that difficult. It wasn't much more time consuming than today either.

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I never understood that photo. I mean, what is he in a funhouse or something?
 
2012-10-21 03:04:58 AM  

Surool: If you are in any way surprised that photo retouch existed before photoshop, you are a moron.


No, I existed before Photoshop.

Surool: When the movie came out, I'd always assumed they had retouched him into that old photo and did a good job.


Kubrick was known for his slavish and obsessive attention to detail; in Barry Lyndon, many of the costumes used were 18th century. Not copies of 18th century clothing; actual pieces which survived from the 1700s. The same was true of the furniture and the houses (there were no sets on that film).

So anyone who knows his work well wouldn't have put it past Kubrick to stage a photo shoot with a bunch of extras in period costume, marcelled Jack's hair and taken the photo himself. He did shiat like that. All the time. This is also the same guy who hired Weegee as the set photographer on Dr Stangelove and who made some poor PA type out Jack's manuscript in FIVE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. All 1000+ pages of it!
 
2012-10-21 10:54:13 AM  

Fano: To continue my odd theory, I assume some kind of "psychic resonance" to work kind of like a stone thrown in a pond, the ripples go in all directions, so the psychic battery of the hotel considers overlapping spirits from different time periods to belong to it whenever it suits the nefarious purposes of the hotel.


nw you're getting a bit wibbly wobbly, timey-wimey.

/Another vote AGAINST reincarnation.
 
2012-10-21 06:46:43 PM  

Fano: limboslam: Manipulating photos before the digital age wasn't that difficult. It wasn't much more time consuming than today either. The biggest difference was that back then you had to get out of your seat a couple times.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 520x395]

Pretty much since the invention of photography


There's a pretty cool show at the Met right now all about this sort of thing.
 
2012-10-21 10:12:22 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Kubrick was known for his slavish and obsessive attention to detail; in Barry Lyndon, many of the costumes used were 18th century. Not copies of 18th century clothing; actual pieces which survived from the 1700s. The same was true of the furniture and the houses (there were no sets on that film).

So anyone who knows his work well wouldn't have put it past Kubrick to stage a photo shoot with a bunch of extras in period costume, marcelled Jack's hair and taken the photo himself. He did shiat like that. All the time. This is also the same guy who hired Weegee as the set photographer on Dr Stangelove and who made some poor PA type out Jack's manuscript in FIVE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. All 1000+ pages of it!


So? You are actually saying we should be impressed that he DIDN'T set up a huge 200 person period photo shoot for that last shot of the film?

Again, GOSH! I am impressed.
 
2012-10-22 05:48:18 AM  

Surool: So? You are actually saying we should be impressed that he DIDN'T set up a huge 200 person period photo shoot for that last shot of the film?

Again, GOSH! I am impressed.



www.mediacircus.net


ARE YOU NOT IMPRESSED!?


/why do you need to be impressed?
 
2012-10-22 12:06:51 PM  

macadamnut: Fark all that, I want some of this wall art:


this
 
2012-10-22 12:10:31 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: On one level, I wonder that myself. On another, I'd say that it's meant to say there's nothing special about Scatman's character outside of the "Shine'; that sort of decor was common for lower-middle class single men -black or white- in the 1970s.


wasnt he in a motel room?
 
2012-10-22 04:48:17 PM  
Early Photoshop practice in the '90s included sticking my boss' head on a photo of James Kirk facing off against the Changeling. Printed it, framed it, hung it outside his office door.

That day, Boss came into our bullpen uncharacteristically blasting absolutely everyone, stormed into his office and slammed his door.

A few moments later, his door opened, he looked at the photo, scanned the bullpen staff...pregnant pause, a slow grin, and everyone's day got a little better.

/memorylane

That airbrush artist is incredible, spectacular....
 
2012-10-23 05:31:05 AM  
Did you guys know The Shining is actually about the Holocaust?
 
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