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2012-10-20 02:07:48 AM  
4 votes:
FTFA: Spanking is one of the many things about which parents agree - passionately - to disagree. Most American parents swear by the old adage "Spare the rod, spoil the child," but others are horrified by the very thought of raising a hand to a kid.

Okay. Tell you what, parents. Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.
2012-10-20 09:17:55 AM  
3 votes:
My dad told me:

1. Whatever trouble you get in st school, expect worse at home.
2. If you get arrested, don't waste your phone call on me.

He meant it, and I knew it.
2012-10-20 11:45:00 AM  
2 votes:
All the people on here screaming "you dont get to discipline my kids, I do," are the parents of the shiatheads the rest of us have to deal with because they don't discipline their kids. These people also tend to be the ones that insists society come together as a whole in order to look after the well being of each other; pay for health coverage, welfare, school, etc. We are all in this together, but holy fark, if you correct their child because he/she is acting outside the acceptable behavioral boundaries of said society, you've crossed the line
2012-10-20 10:07:52 AM  
2 votes:
People who treat spanking like child abuse annoy the shiat out of me...

/me eagerly signs on the dotted line
2012-10-20 09:23:55 AM  
2 votes:

orbister: Why should parents be expected to drop everything and run simply because the school can only think of one disciplinary policy?


If you cannot drop everything to deal with your runny shiat of a kid, you don't deserve to be a parent.

/It's a parents job to drop everything for their kid
2012-10-20 09:12:34 AM  
2 votes:
I definitely need to be spanked retroactively by my 10th grade English teacher.

(I am 42 and she was a hottie fresh out of college, and still is the hawt)

But the question at hand.... My headstrong kid sometimes needs a reminder of who is in charge, so spank away.
2012-10-20 07:59:56 AM  
2 votes:

Fark Me To Tears: Okay. Tell you what, parents. Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.


That was almost exactly the agreement we signed with the local church daycare for our kids age 1 to 3. At 3 we sent them to Montessori schools. Strangely, the parents who refused the corporal part had the biggest asshole kids.
 
/our kids never got spanked
//the refusing parents seemed to be on the sign-out list in the middle of the day quite often
2012-10-20 02:24:02 AM  
2 votes:

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Spanking is one of the many things about which parents agree - passionately - to disagree. Most American parents swear by the old adage "Spare the rod, spoil the child," but others are horrified by the very thought of raising a hand to a kid.

Okay. Tell you what, parents. Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.


Nope. I'll make sure he behaves in class. If he acts like a clown and needs to be removed, do it. Touch him and now we have a problem. If you're a teacher, you know children. They're like most of FARK; petulant, impulsive and generally ruled by emotion. You signed on as a teacher, you know these things. Deal with them appropriately and assume I, as the parent, want my kid respectful to you. He gives you grief, you call me. I'll deal with him at home. You don't get to hit my child.
2012-10-20 12:47:16 PM  
1 vote:
Back when I was in elementary school (late 80s) all of our teachers kept paddles displayed on the wall above their desks. If you acted up, they took you into the hall, sometimes made you pull your pants down (if you were wearing jeans or other thicker clothing), and swung away. None of the classes had doors on them so all the rooms in the area could hear every whack. That entire section of the school would get eerily quiet for a while after that. My 5th grade teacher was particularly proud of his paddle, as it had the most holes drilled in it and would therefore cause the most pain. Looking back - It was pretty farked up :p
2012-10-20 12:10:23 PM  
1 vote:

Gortex: DNRTFA, but I am a public school teacher (in Canada)...There are so many more effective ways to ge tthe kids to behave themselves,


zena: I'm a teacher as well...There are so many better ways to get kids to behave.


I am a person who would never in a million years be a parent OR a teacher, but I am honestly curious if you could give us (me) some examples of these more effective ways to get kids to behave.

A friend of mine is a teacher in a poor, urban middle school and it is fraught with behavior problems. We are both at a loss about what the next course of action should be.
2012-10-20 10:42:24 AM  
1 vote:

dopekitty74: but the little assholes and biatches that like to treat other kids like shiat and beat them up SHOULD get their asses kicked.


What about the big ones?
2012-10-20 10:10:32 AM  
1 vote:

orbister: Fark Me To Tears: Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.

Why should parents be expected to drop everything and run simply because the school can only think of one disciplinary policy?


Because the school has one job: To educate.

Making sure your child knows how to behave in a variety of social settings is the parents' job. Teachers have more important things to do than thinking up personalized plans on how to get your unruly kid to pipe down so the other two dozen kids can learn science and math. If you failed to properly instruct your kid in proper modes of behavior, then the school is going to take the shortest simplest method to insure your kid stops disrupting class: throw him out for you to deal with, or show Little Johnny that bad behavior in class hurts Even if he isn't the sharpest crayon in the box, he can learn to make that association.
2012-10-20 09:55:33 AM  
1 vote:

zena: I'm a teacher as well. Totally agree with Gortex. If you can't maintain control of your classroom without resorting to spanking, you probably should consider another profession. There are so many better ways to achieve the desired behavior.


Spanking works pretty well . I only got two of them in 12 years of pubic school , Also the punishment was left up to the student .You get a paddling or your parents will be notified and /or you will be be expelled . My grades were not good enough that I could afford to be expelled and I damn sure didn't want my partents knowing that I had a problem at school .
2012-10-20 09:54:57 AM  
1 vote:

Spad31: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Spanking is one of the many things about which parents agree - passionately - to disagree. Most American parents swear by the old adage "Spare the rod, spoil the child," but others are horrified by the very thought of raising a hand to a kid.

Okay. Tell you what, parents. Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.

Nope. I'll make sure he behaves in class. If he acts like a clown and needs to be removed, do it. Touch him and now we have a problem. If you're a teacher, you know children. They're like most of FARK; petulant, impulsive and generally ruled by emotion. You signed on as a teacher, you know these things. Deal with them appropriately and assume I, as the parent, want my kid respectful to you. He gives you grief, you call me. I'll deal with him at home. You don't get to hit my child.



If you were effectively dealing with your snowflake they would not need to call you. All removing the snowflake for the class accomplishes is teaching them that if they want to get out to class act up.

As you stated children are "petulant, impulsive and generally ruled by emotion" which means you may not be able to reason with them, that is why you spank. It is something their not fully developed frontal lobe mind understands.

If you do not want to give the schools the authority to keep your snowflake in line then home school him/her so other people's kids do not have to have their education disrupted by your spawn.
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2012-10-20 09:44:02 AM  
1 vote:
Why should we only beat children? If you do something I don't approve of, I should get to beat you and no resisting or the beating will continue. Beating people to make them do what you want is barbaric and idiotic.
2012-10-20 09:28:51 AM  
1 vote:

orbister: Are you saying that your church daycare believed in beating 1, 2 and 3 year olds? Good grief.


Nah, no kids were 'beaten'. The daycare was run by a group of old ladies who would at most swat a kid on the butt to separate a fight or something. Honestly I never heard of a kid getting taken aside and spanked. They had a whole list of procedures for disciplining kids, with spanking being a last resort type thing you had to sign off on... or alternately- agree to come in immediately and pick up your kid if their other methods weren't working(timeouts, standing in the corner, etc). Also, we're atheists so we only sent the kids there cause it was cheap and we liked the old ladies who worked there. One of them lives in Floriday now, but still remembers both kids' birthdays and sends them a 2 dollar bill through the mail. She keeps up with them through facebook pictures nearly 5 years later.
2012-10-20 09:16:50 AM  
1 vote:

dugitman: That was almost exactly the agreement we signed with the local church daycare for our kids age 1 to 3. At 3 we sent them to Montessori schools. Strangely, the parents who refused the corporal part had the biggest asshole kids.


Are you saying that your church daycare believed in beating 1, 2 and 3 year olds? Good grief.
2012-10-20 09:15:36 AM  
1 vote:

Fark Me To Tears: Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.


Why should parents be expected to drop everything and run simply because the school can only think of one disciplinary policy?
2012-10-20 09:13:20 AM  
1 vote:
DNRTFA, but I am a public school teacher (in Canada). If you have to resort to corporal discipline in your classroom, you're either unimaginative or just plain bad at your job. There are so many more effective ways to ge tthe kids to behave themselves, why would you bother doing something like spanking when it's so useless AND controversial?

That being said, I'm not against spanking. As a parent, I do see how there are some circumstances where an association with a given dangerous behaviour and "pain" might be effective (e.g. smacking your toddler on the butt if he gets too near a hot kettle). But those kinds of situations never come up in a school setting anyway.
2012-10-20 09:04:58 AM  
1 vote:
Kids need a few good beatings. Helps them learn that real life isn't all foam covered rounded corners and time outs.

We should bring back washing kids mouths out with soap too. Mention honey boo boo? You're getting soaped.
2012-10-20 09:02:56 AM  
1 vote:

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Spanking is one of the many things about which parents agree - passionately - to disagree. Most American parents swear by the old adage "Spare the rod, spoil the child," but others are horrified by the very thought of raising a hand to a kid.

Okay. Tell you what, parents. Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.


Really? Go f*ck yourself. You're an idiot.
2012-10-20 02:45:49 AM  
1 vote:

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Spanking is one of the many things about which parents agree - passionately - to disagree. Most American parents swear by the old adage "Spare the rod, spoil the child," but others are horrified by the very thought of raising a hand to a kid.

Okay. Tell you what, parents. Those of you who think your little snowflakes should never be spanked will sign a document attesting to your promise to drop whatever you're doing and come to the school to pick up your child whenever he or she is behaving in a way that would warrant corporal punishment under school guidelines. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you fail to live up to this promise, your child will be expelled and you will be required to relocate to another school system at your expense. Otherwise, give us the power to properly discipline your child and STFU.


Leaving aside the fetishistic aspects of spanking, your proposal takes an incredibly complex problem which encompasses a large segment of the population over a significant span of their life, and offers exactly two solutions. c'mon, it's a little more complicated than that, no?

I think spanking is great. Between two well-adjusted adults. As fun as sparring, without having to show up at work with a busted tooth or black eye. But seriously, allowing an adult to spank a kid? someone else's kid? That's wrong. Somewhere between baby-punching wrong and scoutmaster wrong.
 
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