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2012-10-20 07:27:15 PM
More parents need to spank their kids. It shouldn't be your first option for punishment but sometimes the little shiats need their asses tanned
 
2012-10-20 11:31:36 PM

ghare: Sounds like a lot of you are lazy parents or childless dickwads. I never had to spank my kids, the school never had to spank my kids, and they're honor students with no problems.

My WIFE, on the other hand...
/just kidding honey


I've heard she needs a good spanking! ;)
 
2012-10-21 12:50:25 AM

Ummon: More parents need to spank their kids. It shouldn't be your first option for punishment but sometimes the little shiats need their asses tanned


A comparison of crime rates in 1960 to those in 2000 would seem to imply that fewer kids being spanked, and less often has led to significantly lower crime rates.
 
2012-10-21 03:44:34 AM
Subby here. I absolutely support spanking as a parenting tool. There is a right way and wrong way to handle it. Handled correctly - its not abuse at all - IMO quite the opposite.

It should never be the first choice, but if all other options fail and the child refuses to behave after repeated warnings etc - then do it.

But never hit a child when you are angry. Only ever do it out of love - and explain after all is said and done that you do NOT want to do that but they left you with no choice. The important thing is to let them know that if all else fails and they won't listen, its an option "on the table." That way, you will very rarely ever have to actually use it.

Before people ask - yes I was spanked and I thank my parents for it. I think it adjusted my attitude early enough in life to make me a much better person. My best friend(who opposes spanking) never was disciplined in this manor and quite frankly its was always clear that his mother could never control him growing up. His upbringing definitely leaves something to be desired IMO.

Believe me - if anyone needed a good swatting as a kid it was him and he never got one. To this day he is very stubborn about following simple laws where he should know better, or listening to his bosses etc. He is completely mal-adjusted towards listening to anyone telling him to do what he does not want to do. He has almost no impulse control. That is probably why he spent the last 4 years on my couch even when we are both almost 31 years old.

These things I learned early on as a very young child. Spanking helped. Learning may not be the operative word actually. As a child - especially as a toddler - the brain is still developing/wiring. This early wiring is essential. You need to get it right. Children need to understand that they will at times need to yield to authority figures or there are consequences. They need to learn impulse control. They need to learn to be less self-centered.

He didn't learn these things as a young child and even as he understands them on a logical level, he struggles with them even now. His mother completely failed him with her new-age way of raising children.

People forget some things. Human are animals that happen to be more logical than other animals - but very young children more closely resemble animals than logical humans on a mental level. They will some times need dealt with the same way animals in a pack do - they need to be taught that they are not the alpha in your group. The parent leads. This is the way to teach them - a way they will instinctively understand.

Spanking has fallen far out of fashion - at least it has here in IL where I live. The results are obvious. Brats totally out of control everywhere. You can see the generational differences clearly.

Those who think its abuse seem to me to always fall into 1 of 2 categories(far more often the 2nd).
1. Those who had parents with anger issues(which is a totally separate issue from spanking). Thus their parents did not use spanking in a responsible, loving manor.
2. Those who have never been spanked. These people are talking from a position of complete ignorance and imagination - pretending they even know what it is like to be spanked.

I don't know anyone who has had a parent who will spank - reasonably and correctly - who thinks spanking is wrong.

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Fark your implication. Correlation does not imply causation. I am a pretty darn left leaning guy on most issues. Yet I stand with spanking. I definitely stand against laws that would tell a parent how to raise their child. Next they will pass a law against time out because its just so abusive. I mean if a child cries as a result and has their feelings hurt it will cause emotional damage etc etc etc. Yeah that sounds ridiculous but people who think spanking is abuse seem pretty ridiculous to me.

That is one of those problems with passing laws based off your beliefs. I don't think anti-spanking laws are so different from theology base laws that Conservatives want to pass (or have). They think abortion is wrong - and therefore MUST outlaw it. You think spanking is wrong - and therefore MUST outlaw it. Why can't people who dislike abortions simply JUST NOT GET ABORTIONS and those who oppose spanking simply JUST NOT SPANK YOUR OWN KIDS? You could look at so many subjects this way.

Don't like gay marriage? OK then, don't get married to someone of the same sex - leave other people to make that choice themselves. Don't like contraception? Don't use it. Think drugs are bad? Don't do drugs and drop the monumental disaster called the "War on Drugs." Don't like porn - you're a liar but just say you don't watch it and leave me alone. ETC ETC. Your beliefs of right and wrong do not need to be shoved down everyone else's throats.

The behaviors that need to be outlawed are those that cause verifiable harm to others. That is all. Imagine how much more free we could be if laws where judged by that metric.
 
2012-10-21 06:26:47 AM

bk3k: But never hit a child when you are angry. Only ever do it out of love ...

Yeah that sounds ridiculous but people who think spanking is abuse seem pretty ridiculous to me.


People who think that it is acceptable deliberately and calmly to inflict pain on a child and then tell them you're doing it "out of love" don't just seem ridiculous to me. They seem downright creepy. I find it far easier to understand someone who hits a child in the heat of the moment than someone who is capable of calming down, reflecting and then dispassionately hitting them.

Would you hit a sixteen year old in this way, or would it have to be someone small enough for you to overpower?

Why can't people who dislike abortions simply JUST NOT GET ABORTIONS and those who oppose spanking simply JUST NOT SPANK YOUR OWN KIDS? You could look at so many subjects this way.

Indeed you could. Against child rape? Don't rape children. Against lynching black people? Don't lynch black people? Against flying aircraft into skyscrapers? Don't fly aircraft into skyscrapers. How dare these godless liberals enforce their own hippy beliefs on everyone else, eh?
 
2012-10-21 10:33:39 AM

orbister: bk3k: But never hit a child when you are angry. Only ever do it out of love ...

Yeah that sounds ridiculous but people who think spanking is abuse seem pretty ridiculous to me.


People who think that it is acceptable deliberately and calmly to inflict pain on a child and then tell them you're doing it "out of love" don't just seem ridiculous to me. They seem downright creepy. I find it far easier to understand someone who hits a child in the heat of the moment than someone who is capable of calming down, reflecting and then dispassionately hitting them.

Would you hit a sixteen year old in this way, or would it have to be someone small enough for you to overpower?

Oh noes! A child must feel a little pain! We must work hard to ensure that a child never experiences what pain feels like until they become adults. Don't spank them. Don't let them play(its dangerous and they could get HURT). In fact lets just duck tape them to a chair to make sure they never get hurt.

The pain is temporary. As for age - a parent who spanks isn't going to need to do it to an older child. I don't think me or my 3 younger brothers ever needed to get spanked past 4-5 years old and very rarely on the upper end. As we age, more logical thinking sets in. Plus we had learned behavior.

We understood actions have consequences - one of the possible consequences could be spanking. We also where made to understand and care that our actions affected those around us. We where not the kids you always see now throwing tantrums in the store(while there parents do NOTHING). Our parents had a much easier time taking their 4 boys in public than many do with only 1. Even as a small child I could see the contrast.

I never thought that my parents hated me for getting spanked. They coupled the spanking with explanation. Its called "parenting" - you might look the term up.

You sound like a gigantic wimp frankly. Its not bullying - its not about feeling "powerful" through physical domination over your child. Its about correcting behavior early enough. Learned behavior in early life becomes hard to overcome later in life. But early in life - logic really does not reach children. They operate mostly on animal instinct and this is one thing they DO instinctively understand.

It also provides a sharp contrast when coupled with positive reinforcement. Most of the time, you will be doing good for your child. This time, you are causing them a little pain. They will understand that something has caused this change in behavior from you and will more easily get that their behavior is unacceptable in a way that words alone cannot at that age.

orbister:
Why can't people who dislike abortions simply JUST NOT GET ABORTIONS and those who oppose spanking simply JUST NOT SPANK YOUR OWN KIDS? You could look at so many subjects this way.

Indeed you could. Against child rape? Don't rape children. Against lynching black people? Don't lynch black people? Against flying aircraft into skyscrapers? Don't fly aircraft into skyscrapers. How dare these godless liberals enforce their own hippy beliefs on everyone else, eh?

Conveniently ignoring my last 2nd to last which puts to rest all your examples - The behaviors that need to be outlawed are those that cause verifiable harm to others.

Rape, lynching, and bad piloting cause harm to other people.

 
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