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2012-10-19 11:53:52 PM
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Why the long face?
 
2012-10-20 12:36:43 AM
Not so far apart after all...

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2012-10-20 12:37:24 AM

fusillade762: [jax-cdn.com image 280x350]

Why the long face?


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2012-10-20 12:38:24 AM
Is there a problem with having a motorcycle parked in your living room? Hey, he lives in a rough neighborhood and i'm sure it's just a security measure....
 
2012-10-20 12:41:18 AM

fusillade762: [jax-cdn.com image 280x350]

Why the long face?


Yeah, that one...she's a regular Modigliani model.
 
2012-10-20 12:41:23 AM
"...drugs are really, really bad"

Some of them, anyway.
 
2012-10-20 12:41:32 AM
I'm kind of 'meh' on the whole war on drugs as long as people do it in private and don't drive or otherwise endanger people around them. Meth is a whole other level of scary when people are cooking it themselves. Hard to believe the ADHD meds I take are related =/
 
2012-10-20 12:41:33 AM

fusillade762: [jax-cdn.com image 280x350]

Why the long face?


Looks like a photoshop fom the weekly mugshot roundup.
 
2012-10-20 12:42:53 AM

Baby Face Fister: fusillade762: [jax-cdn.com image 280x350]

Why the long face?

Looks like a photoshop fom the weekly mugshot roundup.


It's like her mouth and chin are thirty feet further away than the rest of her.
 
2012-10-20 12:44:27 AM
....mmmkay?
 
2012-10-20 12:45:38 AM
animal.discovery.com
 
2012-10-20 12:46:07 AM
FTA: "Kristy Ignowski, 29, and Thomas Croley, 34, came to the door along with two children."

Could be related to Rev. Jim Ignatowski???

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-20 12:48:37 AM
Jesus, just give em the meth they want already. The heroin, crack, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, or whatever else they want too. Trying to stop people from doing what people will do anyway is at least counterproductive if not completely retarded. Well, unless you profit from it, that is.
 
2012-10-20 12:50:33 AM
It's nice to see that Chris Martin still gets work, even if Coldplay does suck...
 
2012-10-20 12:50:47 AM

themasterdebater: Is there a problem with having a motorcycle parked in your living room? Hey, he lives in a rough neighborhood and i'm sure it's just a security measure....


Even in a safe neighborhood, that's a good decorating decision.
 
2012-10-20 12:53:50 AM

Plush_Cthulhu: Not so far apart after all...

[www.african-safari-pictures.com image 350x263]


And done! that totally had me lol'ing!! very good!
 
2012-10-20 12:53:57 AM
So then, legalize it?
 
2012-10-20 12:54:04 AM
No mention of the oddly specific list of items from TFA that one requires to do the "one pot" cook method?

Read the article and go shopping!
 
2012-10-20 12:54:58 AM
Meth makes you do funny things with your hair.
 
2012-10-20 12:55:24 AM
Meh I've seen worse looking meth addicts where I live,by worse I mean the ones covered in farking sores.
 
2012-10-20 12:58:08 AM

readbot42: Jesus, just give em the meth they want already. The heroin, crack, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, or whatever else they want too. Trying to stop people from doing what people will do anyway is at least counterproductive if not completely retarded. Well, unless you profit from it, that is.


And what, share it with their kids?
 
2012-10-20 12:59:54 AM
I bet it didn't help the situation that the officers felt like she was talking down to them.
 
2012-10-20 01:00:37 AM

fusillade762: [jax-cdn.com image 280x350]

Why the long face?


There's no way that's a human.
 
2012-10-20 01:03:56 AM

readbot42: Jesus, just give em the meth they want already. The heroin, crack, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, or whatever else they want too. Trying to stop people from doing what people will do anyway is at least counterproductive if not completely retarded. Well, unless you profit from it, that is.


Cool. I want to shoot you in the spine for making an idiotic comparison between MDMA and illicit Methamphetamines. Two types of drugs which are TOTALLY in the same harm class. We're cool, since this is what I want to do, right?

After all, trying to stop me from doing this is totally counter-productive, and society will surely have to pick up none of the cost afterwords.

www.imfdb.org
 
2012-10-20 01:04:26 AM

vice_magnet: readbot42: Jesus, just give em the meth they want already. The heroin, crack, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, or whatever else they want too. Trying to stop people from doing what people will do anyway is at least counterproductive if not completely retarded. Well, unless you profit from it, that is.

And what, share it with their kids?


And drug laws make that less likely how? Oh, wait. Please say you're trolling me?
 
2012-10-20 01:06:11 AM
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The meth-head community frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2012-10-20 01:06:12 AM
This thread is useless without that "she got hotter" girl!
 
2012-10-20 01:07:42 AM

BronyMedic: readbot42: Jesus, just give em the meth they want already. The heroin, crack, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, or whatever else they want too. Trying to stop people from doing what people will do anyway is at least counterproductive if not completely retarded. Well, unless you profit from it, that is.

Cool. I want to shoot you in the spine for making an idiotic comparison between MDMA and illicit Methamphetamines. Two types of drugs which are TOTALLY in the same harm class. We're cool, since this is what I want to do, right?

After all, trying to stop me from doing this is totally counter-productive, and society will surely have to pick up none of the cost afterwords.


Sorry if I offended... I was on a drug acronym roll. My point still stands regardless. Criminal/law enforcement approach to drug use and addictions is just teh stupid, that is all.
 
2012-10-20 01:09:17 AM

fusillade762: [jax-cdn.com image 280x350]

Why the long face?


gavinnaked.files.wordpress.com
Mmmkay.
 
2012-10-20 01:12:41 AM
Sorry, as a former meth user I have never, do not now, and never will subscribe to the theory that meth should be legal. It should always be as illegal as possible so that scumbags like this, when they get caught, can be locked up for the safety of the rest of us.

There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally. There is no in-between. So it needs to be 100% illegal and users given a choice: Stop using it or stay in prison till you do. As a former user, I totally appreciate how hard that is, I really do; but I've been off it almost 20 years so I know it's completely possible.

I'll agree with you all day about pot; but never about meth.
 
2012-10-20 01:14:02 AM
Just watched the pilot of Breaking Bad fir the first time, so I'm really getting a kick....
 
2012-10-20 01:14:40 AM
i like how TFA stops twenty five cents shy of how to cook. then TV News picks up the slack by slow panning the recently busted crack house and you get to see how to hook up the glassware and what-not. it's more fun than night school and a whole lot more profitable.
 
2012-10-20 01:18:40 AM

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The meth-head community frowns on your shenanigans.


The one on the end, her hair is a bird.
 
2012-10-20 01:19:54 AM
A guy I used to work with talked about some lady friend of his who took meth just to lose weight and stopped when she reached her target weight.

Turns out he was full of shiat and was just trying to get me to ask him where I can get some meth. Good sales pitch.
 
2012-10-20 01:20:55 AM
Most people wouldn't enjoy Methadrine. Stuff has been around since the war.
 
2012-10-20 01:21:12 AM

KrispyKritter: i like how TFA stops twenty five cents shy of how to cook. then TV News picks up the slack by slow panning the recently busted crack house and you get to see how to hook up the glassware and what-not. it's more fun than night school and a whole lot more profitable.


Too bad Bryan Cranston is now Hollywood's main supplier, or else you could make a killing off the Lohans.
 
2012-10-20 01:21:47 AM
I like this story on there a lot better - Link

You done got farked up
 
2012-10-20 01:24:16 AM
37 years old:

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29 years old:
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That's some hard meth-addled years.
 
2012-10-20 01:32:29 AM
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2012-10-20 01:33:31 AM

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The meth-head community frowns on your shenanigans.


Jesus Christ, those pics are scarier than the ones in Disney's Haunted Mansion. Is that one's face ACTUALLY STRETCHING???
 
2012-10-20 01:41:31 AM

fusillade762: [jax-cdn.com image 280x350]

Why the long face?


So that's what happened to the kid from Gummo.
 
2012-10-20 01:42:38 AM
Number two: Not Sure If Serious
 
2012-10-20 01:45:40 AM
Are that chick's parents brother and sister? (and her grandparents too?)
 
2012-10-20 01:47:09 AM

Gyrfalcon: Sorry, as a former meth user I have never, do not now, and never will subscribe to the theory that meth should be legal. It should always be as illegal as possible so that scumbags like this, when they get caught, can be locked up for the safety of the rest of us.

There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally. There is no in-between. So it needs to be 100% illegal and users given a choice: Stop using it or stay in prison till you do. As a former user, I totally appreciate how hard that is, I really do; but I've been off it almost 20 years so I know it's completely possible.

I'll agree with you all day about pot; but never about meth.


I am pretty much in this guys camp here. Pot? GREAT! Cocaine? Fine. Shrooms? Fine. MDMA...probably fine, but I am less sure about that one. I would also be ok with a "if it comes from the ground and is not artificially concentrated or created in a 'lab' you can have it" rule.
 
2012-10-20 02:00:57 AM
Meth is some scary shiat, and I'm completely against the drug war.

Before/After:
www.drugaddictiontreatment.ca
1.bp.blogspot.com

Before/After your "lab" blows up in your face:
25.media.tumblr.com 

For the love of God, stay away from that shiat.
 
2012-10-20 02:06:35 AM
Meth: my anti-meth
 
2012-10-20 02:14:14 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-20 02:20:08 AM
There was a motorcycle parked in the living room, no electricity, flies in the kitchen and very little food.

Jeeze, so judgmental. That coulda been my apartment in the late 70's to the mid 80's.

What were the flies doing there if there was no food. Ah, no food you'd EAT, I see.
 
2012-10-20 02:27:31 AM

Gyrfalcon: There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally..


I dunno. Maybe I'm the outlier or just the exception that proves the rule but I managed 10 years as a weekend warrior with a full time job had very few problems (and as far as pictures go - my profile pic was taken at the age of 35 after 8 years of use and I think I look pretty good (in fact I was tweaking when it was taken). Of course I was always hyper alert for any signs that I was starting to lose control and would often take breaks lasting several months. It was during one of those breaks when I realized that I didn't miss it (or the people I had to associate with to get it) and decided I was done - haven't touched it in 6 years and I still don't miss it.

/by way of comparison - it took me 3 tries to kick cigarettes (and I still have to fight the occasional jones) so it's not like I'm uber-disciplined or anything like that
 
2012-10-20 02:35:01 AM

Snapper Carr: Gyrfalcon: There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally..

I dunno. Maybe I'm the outlier or just the exception that proves the rule but I managed 10 years as a weekend warrior with a full time job had very few problems (and as far as pictures go - my profile pic was taken at the age of 35 after 8 years of use and I think I look pretty good (in fact I was tweaking when it was taken). Of course I was always hyper alert for any signs that I was starting to lose control and would often take breaks lasting several months. It was during one of those breaks when I realized that I didn't miss it (or the people I had to associate with to get it) and decided I was done - haven't touched it in 6 years and I still don't miss it.

/by way of comparison - it took me 3 tries to kick cigarettes (and I still have to fight the occasional jones) so it's not like I'm uber-disciplined or anything like that


If you don't mind me asking, why did you lose your legs?
 
2012-10-20 02:39:45 AM
Stick with Granny's medicinal tonic, kids. You'll be glad you did.

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Or mebbie not...
 
2012-10-20 02:40:13 AM

farkingismybusiness: Snapper Carr: Gyrfalcon: There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally..

I dunno. Maybe I'm the outlier or just the exception that proves the rule but I managed 10 years as a weekend warrior with a full time job had very few problems (and as far as pictures go - my profile pic was taken at the age of 35 after 8 years of use and I think I look pretty good (in fact I was tweaking when it was taken). Of course I was always hyper alert for any signs that I was starting to lose control and would often take breaks lasting several months. It was during one of those breaks when I realized that I didn't miss it (or the people I had to associate with to get it) and decided I was done - haven't touched it in 6 years and I still don't miss it.

/by way of comparison - it took me 3 tries to kick cigarettes (and I still have to fight the occasional jones) so it's not like I'm uber-disciplined or anything like that

If you don't mind me asking, why did you lose your legs?


Born a paraplegic - really really poor circulation in my lower legs which led to skin breakdown in my feet (and ensuing pressure sores which would take months to heal) - an issue I'd been fighting for most of my life - I finally told the doctor to remove the leg since I never used it anyway.

It was actually while recovering from that when I started doing the stuff (boredom)
 
2012-10-20 02:44:42 AM
Snapper Carr:

Damn. I've wondered that for a while. You've been killing it in SHMHC for a long time now.
 
2012-10-20 02:50:31 AM
Nah, drugs are not really really bad. They are if you have an addictive personality or if you've got a war on drugs that means you have no freaking idea what you're getting.

Most people can do booze, cigs, pot, cocaine, speed, whatever and take it or leave it. All these drugs and what is my drug of choice? Beer. It's super high quality - small producers take insanely admirable pride in their product, it tastes great, and the variety is second to none.

The scary bit is you don't know for sure if you're that minority addictive personality till you try. And after that you've got to worry about contamination, which is a real huge f@#4ing thing to really be afraid of thanks to our war on drugs. I won't do meth or 'bath salts' either just because you don't know what the hell you're getting.

But that's just 'war on drugs means really bad shiat', not 'drugs are bad'. During (alcohol) prohibition in the US the booze could easily kill or blind you too. That's just policy.
 
2012-10-20 03:30:28 AM

Snapper Carr: Gyrfalcon: There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally..

I dunno. Maybe I'm the outlier or just the exception that proves the rule but I managed 10 years as a weekend warrior with a full time job had very few problems (and as far as pictures go - my profile pic was taken at the age of 35 after 8 years of use and I think I look pretty good (in fact I was tweaking when it was taken). Of course I was always hyper alert for any signs that I was starting to lose control and would often take breaks lasting several months. It was during one of those breaks when I realized that I didn't miss it (or the people I had to associate with to get it) and decided I was done - haven't touched it in 6 years and I still don't miss it.


I spent a year or so in my 20s doing it almost every day. It was almost like coffee for me. I never robbed, killed, raped, anyone and never missed work because of it. I also slept. Every night.

Quit 10+ years ago and I don't really miss it. Not that I'd turn it down if someone I trusted offered some to me at a party...
 
2012-10-20 03:39:55 AM
Oh, and I still have all my teeth.
 
2012-10-20 03:48:37 AM

Gyrfalcon: Sorry, as a former meth user I have never, do not now, and never will subscribe to the theory that meth should be legal. It should always be as illegal as possible so that scumbags like this, when they get caught, can be locked up for the safety of the rest of us.

There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally. There is no in-between. So it needs to be 100% illegal and users given a choice: Stop using it or stay in prison till you do. As a former user, I totally appreciate how hard that is, I really do; but I've been off it almost 20 years so I know it's completely possible.

I'll agree with you all day about pot; but never about meth.


bullshiat. we got a bag of meth once by accident trying to get some coke and nobody checked the bag. we buckled down and did it for 3 days (wakeboarding from dawn til dusk on the ski boat and camping on the beach) The stuff sucks, you are not even really high, like good high, and it never goes away, it burns if you snort it and coats your lungs if you smoke it. none of ever wanted to see it again after a 3 day bender. so you are just a junkie at heart. sorry.
 
2012-10-20 03:57:14 AM

oldtaku: Nah, drugs are not really really bad. They are if you have an addictive personality or if you've got a war on drugs that means you have no freaking idea what you're getting.

Most people can do booze, cigs, pot, cocaine, speed, whatever and take it or leave it. All these drugs and what is my drug of choice? Beer. It's super high quality - small producers take insanely admirable pride in their product, it tastes great, and the variety is second to none.

The scary bit is you don't know for sure if you're that minority addictive personality till you try. And after that you've got to worry about contamination, which is a real huge f@#4ing thing to really be afraid of thanks to our war on drugs. I won't do meth or 'bath salts' either just because you don't know what the hell you're getting.

But that's just 'war on drugs means really bad shiat', not 'drugs are bad'. During (alcohol) prohibition in the US the booze could easily kill or blind you too. That's just policy.


Yeah I agree. Also if drugs were decriminalized it's not as if tons of people would be rushing out to do meth, not with safer drugs easily available that are still capable of getting you ridiculously high. Most people care about their health and well being, it's why everyone isn't an alcoholic now.

Drugs are most dangerous to the folk that are addicted to them right now...people that are filling that emotional black hole with an addiction are going to find a way to self destruct whether drugs are illegal or not. That's why the focus should be on treatment and education; not law enforcement and turning these people into criminals.
 
2012-10-20 03:57:40 AM
Came for the long face comments, leaving highly satisfied.
 
2012-10-20 04:01:35 AM

themasterdebater: Is there a problem with having a motorcycle parked in your living room? Hey, he lives in a rough neighborhood and i'm sure it's just a security measure....


When I lived in the ghetto of San Diego, I parked my motorcycle in the living room all the time. It's the smart thing to do unless you want someone to steal it.
 
2012-10-20 04:03:05 AM

ladyfortuna: I'm kind of 'meh' on the whole war on drugs as long as people do it in private and don't drive or otherwise endanger people around them. Meth is a whole other level of scary when people are cooking it themselves. Hard to believe the ADHD meds I take are related =/


I agree completely. Meth shouldn't be illegal because you can get high with it, it should be illegal because you leave a Superfund site behind every time you make it.
 
2012-10-20 04:17:00 AM

Rent Party: ladyfortuna: Meth is a whole other level of scary when people are cooking it themselves.

I agree completely. Meth shouldn't be illegal because you can get high with it, it should be illegal because you leave a Superfund site behind every time you make it.


Again, that's War on Drugs. The Mexican cartels are now making huge quantities of super-pure meth in factory conditions (since we've obliged them by making non-placebo cold medicine such a pain to get). It's making it yourself in primitive conditions that's so toxic.
 
2012-10-20 04:22:48 AM
FTA: "According to police, the two then indicated buying pseudoephedrine for 37-year-old Shannon Metz, 37, who had been arrested two hours earlier so Metz could manufacture the meth."

That sentence doesn't belong in any professional piece of journalism...
 
2012-10-20 04:57:12 AM

Darth Jawa: FTA: "According to police, the two then indicated buying pseudoephedrine for 37-year-old Shannon Metz, 37, who had been arrested two hours earlier so Metz could manufacture the meth."

That sentence doesn't belong in any professional piece of journalism...


I would hardly consider a blog posted on Jacksonville.com to be professional journalism. Just be impressed with the fact that they have access to the internet in Jacksonville.
 
2012-10-20 05:42:09 AM
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Separated at birth

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2012-10-20 06:55:11 AM

BronyMedic: readbot42: Jesus, just give em the meth they want already. The heroin, crack, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, or whatever else they want too. Trying to stop people from doing what people will do anyway is at least counterproductive if not completely retarded. Well, unless you profit from it, that is.

Cool. I want to shoot you in the spine for making an idiotic comparison between MDMA and illicit Methamphetamines. Two types of drugs which are TOTALLY in the same harm class. We're cool, since this is what I want to do, right?

After all, trying to stop me from doing this is totally counter-productive, and society will surely have to pick up none of the cost afterwords.

[www.imfdb.org image 450x232]


"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." - Aleister Crowley
 
2012-10-20 08:21:52 AM

fusillade762: Why the long face?


No teeth
 
2012-10-20 09:43:05 AM
I should not have been eating an already-disgusting pop-tart while reading this thread. Blech.
 
2012-10-20 09:56:32 AM

readbot42: Jesus, just give em the meth they want already. The heroin, crack, LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, or whatever else they want too. Trying to stop people from doing what people will do anyway is at least counterproductive if not completely retarded. Well, unless you profit from it, that is.


smart. but it will affect your insurance premium. because gay
 
2012-10-20 10:32:13 AM
What'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis?

jax-cdn.com
 
2012-10-20 11:43:46 AM
i266.photobucket.com
ftfh
 
2012-10-20 11:48:25 AM

shanrick: [i.imgur.com image 300x395]


Excellent. Principal Heisenberg. Wondered where h got off to ...
 
2012-10-20 11:50:09 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-20 12:56:30 PM
Did you farkers catch the rest of that blog?

A Peeping Tom gets a beating, a Dog gets shot, and a man is smacked in the face for listening to too much Alanis Morrisette

The Florida tag needs an exclamation point - FLORIDA!
 
2012-10-20 01:59:58 PM
Curiosity point: If I make meth by usual home brew methods, how much meth do I get from one 48-pack of 30 mg tablets? How much is in one hit? What is it worth?
Spent 4 years in `Nam where everything was available for the asking (67-71) and have never tried anything. Alcohol will do just fine for me. 
Thanks
 
2012-10-20 02:16:18 PM
I guess I missed out on the whole "Meth" thing and living out in the sticks like I do I can say that I'm glad I missed that boat. I know that it's a very toxic drug and obviously a very addictive one too. I also know that there are various 'recipes' for making it and that all of them are are toxic and dangerous, before, during and after the making process.

What I don't get is how does this drug make you feel that you would devolve to these points?!? I have heard/seen some horror stories connected with meth and I simply don't understand how a high could be worth this/these types of, (I don't even have the word...) decisions?

What is the high like? Does it make life/everything seem better? Does it make nothing matter?

Someone enlighten me because I can't comprehend this and I use herbal remedy* fairly often...

*Migraines mostly but kills Anxiety attacks too.
 
2012-10-20 04:10:17 PM
"According to police, the two then indicated buying pseudoephedrine
for 37-year-old Shannon Metz, 37, who had been arrested two hours
earlier so Metz could manufacture the meth."

Glad they covered the fact that the 37 year old was indeed, 37.
What any of that sentence means, I do not know.
 
2012-10-20 05:56:02 PM

Gyrfalcon: There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth.


With all due respect (and I have quite a lot, actually), I beg to disagree.

I'm personally acquainted with two people who admit to using meth. He was not too bright, abused a various drugs and seemed to always be in trouble for this thing or that, never really got his shiat together, ended up a meth head.

She totally had her shiat together, and just did meth when her husband and son went camping. She liked to use those weekends to clean and organize her home. She said meth made the process pretty fun.

I fail to see the wisdom in criminalizing her responsible behavior because he's irresponsible. The behavior is not the same and shouldn't be treated by the law as if it is the same.

Besides the anecdotal evidence, I think it's fair to say that in the United States, the default setting for liberty is "on," although there are, and should be, ways to cause your liberties to be curtailed. When he was getting in all kinds of legal trouble because of his drug abuse, I think it would be entirely reasonable, for example, for a judge to add a "no drugs" condition to probation terms.
 
2012-10-20 09:41:42 PM

bugcrusher: Did you farkers catch the rest of that blog?

A Peeping Tom gets a beating, a Dog gets shot, and a man is smacked in the face for listening to too much Alanis Morrisette

The Florida tag needs an exclamation point - FLORIDA!


This is one of the reasons I love Jacksonville - our crime news is actually entertaining. Back when I was in Atlanta, it was just murder, murder, rape, armed robbery, carjacking, kidnapping.
 
2012-10-20 09:42:53 PM

WTFdoesitmatter: bugcrusher: Did you farkers catch the rest of that blog?

A Peeping Tom gets a beating, a Dog gets shot, and a man is smacked in the face for listening to too much Alanis Morrisette

The Florida tag needs an exclamation point - FLORIDA!

This is one of the reasons I love Jacksonville - our crime news is actually entertaining. Back when I was in Atlanta, it was just murder, murder, rape, armed robbery, carjacking, kidnapping.


And in case anyone was interested, this meth lab was found in - you guessed it - a trailer park.
 
2012-10-21 11:41:36 AM

tekmo: Gyrfalcon:

Besides the anecdotal evidence, I think it's fair to say that in the United States, the default setting for liberty is "on," although there are, and should be, ways to cause your liberties to be curtailed. When he was getting in all kinds of legal trouble because of his drug abuse, I think it would be entirely reasonable, for example, for a judge to add a "no drugs" condition to probation terms.


ERMmmmmm... 95% of probation terms, if the person was in fact under the influence when they got caught, WILL include that provision. There's a reason the breath-locking things for cars exist, for example. Probation officers can and do administer tests to their wards.
 
2012-10-21 12:23:30 PM

Egalitarian: I should not have been eating an already-disgusting pop-tart while reading this thread. Blech.


at least it wasn't a jalapeno and steak hot pocket. blargh
 
2012-10-21 01:03:34 PM

ladyfortuna: ERMmmmmm... 95% of probation terms, if the person was in fact under the influence when they got caught, WILL include that provision.


Yeah, I understand that. My point is THAT is reasonable, but a blanket prohibition against all people under every circumstance isn't.

And the only thing drug prohibition has genuinely accomplished with long-term results is gutting the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments.
 
2012-10-21 02:34:03 PM

Gyrfalcon: Sorry, as a former meth user I have never, do not now, and never will subscribe to the theory that meth should be legal. It should always be as illegal as possible so that scumbags like this, when they get caught, can be locked up for the safety of the rest of us.

There's only one way not to become a meth head, and that's to never use meth. There's only one way to stop being a meth head, and that's to stop using meth. It can't be done safely and it can't be done recreationally. There is no in-between. So it needs to be 100% illegal and users given a choice: Stop using it or stay in prison till you do. As a former user, I totally appreciate how hard that is, I really do; but I've been off it almost 20 years so I know it's completely possible.

I'll agree with you all day about pot; but never about meth.


Actually, it is legal in prescription form as Desoxyn, but good luck getting it prescribed.
 
2012-10-21 04:43:45 PM

tekmo: ladyfortuna: ERMmmmmm... 95% of probation terms, if the person was in fact under the influence when they got caught, WILL include that provision.

Yeah, I understand that. My point is THAT is reasonable, but a blanket prohibition against all people under every circumstance isn't.

And the only thing drug prohibition has genuinely accomplished with long-term results is gutting the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments.


In that case your point was kind of lost while writing that out, I guess... All I'm saying is that what you said, they already do.
 
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