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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-19 07:38:19 PM
But the agent said his name, Social Security number and date of birth matched the person prohibited from flying

I read about a driver's license nightmare in the paper years ago. Pennsylvania suspends John Doe dob 11/22/33 and puts the word out on the national wire. Massachusetts says "ooh, we have one of those, we'll suspend his license too." Massachusetts John Doe says "not me, one of the other zillion people with that combination." Massachusetts asks Pennsylvania "hey, did you really mean to suspend John Doe dob 11/22/33 SSN 123-456-7890?" Pennsylvania drone enters that information into the DMV computer, computer says "thanks for giving me John Doe's SSN, I didn't have it on file... calculating... yes, that is the John Doe we want, the SSN matches."

FBI types in a partial name and date of birth, the computer could add 50 social security numbers to the list by checking the database for everybody who matches the partial name.
 
2012-10-19 07:53:04 PM
My last name is Hicks - you don't have any idea what a hassle that's been for the past decade

First there was the Aussie Taliban, then a few years later, there was another dude in the same state with the same name as me and the same birthday and the pharmacy mixed our scrips up - crazy
 
2012-10-19 07:53:41 PM
With how common my name is I'm hopeful this never happens to me. If it does happen, I hope it's in Hawaii instead of some shiat town.

Of course, I don't have a Mahalo Rewards card, so I doubt it would be as awesome as South Park made it look.
 
2012-10-19 09:23:39 PM
Yup. Submitted with a tl:dr headline.
 
2012-10-20 02:57:00 AM
FTFA: Hicks said he was traveling to visit his wife, a U.S. Navy lieutenant who's deployed in Japan. He hitched a ride on the military flight as is common for military dependents, who are allowed to fly on scheduled routes when there's room.

This is simple. Hicks' wife is having an affair with someone who has juice at the FBI. Her boyfriend was still visiting her in Japan when hubby decided to catch the space-A hops to go see her. The boyfriend just slowed down hubby enough so he (the boyfriend) could finish his business with Hicks' wife, and then he cleared the way for hubby to go see her.

/glad we got that cleared up
//otherwise we would have had rumors flying all around about this
 
2012-10-20 04:24:17 AM
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2012-10-20 04:25:44 AM
As a farking haole in hawaii, I'm getting a kick...
 
2012-10-20 04:28:48 AM

davidphogan: With how common my name is I'm hopeful this never happens to me. If it does happen, I hope it's in Hawaii instead of some shiat town.

Of course, I don't have a Mahalo Rewards card, so I doubt it would be as awesome as South Park made it look.


Go native!
 
2012-10-20 04:28:51 AM
Let me put on my best Republican:

This is America.

We don't need no stinking liberal (liberdrool! right?) civil rights and due process

This guy obviously is guilty of something, just look at him. You don't get on that list unless someone had a reason.

We can't risk it, freedom isn't free. He can rot in hawaii. If thats what it takes to support our troops and protect my children, so be it.

I'll pray for him.
 
2012-10-20 04:31:08 AM
So some fat, stupid bureaucrat was screwing with a redneck loudmouthed truther?

Hmm, don't know who to root for here...
 
2012-10-20 04:44:18 AM

MurphyMurphy: Let me put on my best Republican:

This is America.

We don't need no stinking liberal (liberdrool! right?) civil rights and due process

This guy obviously is guilty of something, just look at him. You don't get on that list unless someone had a reason.

We can't risk it, freedom isn't free. He can rot in hawaii. If thats what it takes to support our troops and protect my children, so be it.

I'll pray for him.


He's lucky Obama didn't have him killed with a drone strike.
 
2012-10-20 04:45:48 AM
yeah the article comments mention some group he is a part of "patriots for America" and make the statement "with him in this group why is his wife allowed to serve in the military?" I haven't heard of this group, are they one of those hard line militia groups who think the only way to get us back on track as a country is to have another revolution?

/and I will never understand the feds post 9/11 I applied for a haz mat certification and had to go through Homeland Security. No big deal nothing popped up and I had my confirmation letter within a week and the endorsement on my license the next day. Now I am waiting to get hired on at another company and they want to hire me but policy says they have to wait for the background to come back. Ok who the hell are they using. 7 days to get a check through homeland security that "supposedly" ran my information against all local, state, and federal records (hell they even found when I served in the Navy in 1990) but this place has taken almost three weeks. And it isn't like I have a checkered past either.
 
2012-10-20 04:56:34 AM

Mad Scientist: So some fat, stupid bureaucrat was screwing with a redneck loudmouthed truther?

Hmm, don't know who to root for here...


No kidding. It must be so much like the relationship you have with your mother.
 
2012-10-20 05:00:00 AM

jimmyjackfunk: yeah the article comments mention some group he is a part of "patriots for America" and make the statement "with him in this group why is his wife allowed to serve in the military?" I haven't heard of this group, are they one of those hard line militia groups who think the only way to get us back on track as a country is to have another revolution?


Yeah, I saw that too. Google points to the Patriots for America profile for someone with this same name, and the statement that they consider the current president an "enemy to America".

He also owns guns.

So......yeah. Probably on a list for a reason.
 
2012-10-20 05:07:44 AM

ModernLuddite: jimmyjackfunk: yeah the article comments mention some group he is a part of "patriots for America" and make the statement "with him in this group why is his wife allowed to serve in the military?" I haven't heard of this group, are they one of those hard line militia groups who think the only way to get us back on track as a country is to have another revolution?

Yeah, I saw that too. Google points to the Patriots for America profile for someone with this same name, and the statement that they consider the current president an "enemy to America".

He also owns guns.

So......yeah. Probably on a list for a reason.


This shiat is why the founding fathers intended for us to have a right to privacy.
 
2012-10-20 05:08:14 AM
Secret lists with no accountability are poison to free peoples.
 
2012-10-20 05:19:16 AM
Been there, done that.

When I was in the Army I was taking a Space Available flight from Okinawa to Travis AFC in California. I got bumped in Hawaii. Sounds great, but I had not one penny to my name...I had blown my entire net worth on leave in the Philippines. For two days I lived on coffee and donuts from the USO...breakfast, lunch and dinner=coffee and donuts. Slept on the floor of the USO too. Thanks goodness for them.
 
2012-10-20 05:22:00 AM

Mad Scientist: So some fat, stupid bureaucrat was screwing with a redneck loudmouthed truther?

Hmm, don't know who to root for here...


If you respect basic rights the choice is obvious.
 
2012-10-20 05:22:45 AM
You bought your ticket, you patriotic authoritarian right-wing jingo redneck southern confederate Republican Akin-supporting baby-killing jack-booted boot-licking Christian bootstrappy off-shoring out-sourcing six-gun-shootin' gun-totin' flag-waving son of a snowblower, you knew what you were getting into. Hallelujah, Jesus Christ, where's the Tylenol?
 
2012-10-20 05:27:41 AM

The Southern Dandy: Been there, done that.

When I was in the Army I was taking a Space Available flight from Okinawa to Travis AFC in California. I got bumped in Hawaii. Sounds great, but I had not one penny to my name...I had blown my entire net worth on leave in the Philippines. For two days I lived on coffee and donuts from the USO...breakfast, lunch and dinner=coffee and donuts. Slept on the floor of the USO too. Thanks goodness for them.


What did you purchase in the Philippines that was so expensive?
 
2012-10-20 05:37:12 AM

knightmike: The Southern Dandy: Been there, done that.

When I was in the Army I was taking a Space Available flight from Okinawa to Travis AFC in California. I got bumped in Hawaii. Sounds great, but I had not one penny to my name...I had blown my entire net worth on leave in the Philippines. For two days I lived on coffee and donuts from the USO...breakfast, lunch and dinner=coffee and donuts. Slept on the floor of the USO too. Thanks goodness for them.

What did you purchase in the Philippines that was so expensive?


My guess would be hookers and booze.

\lots of 'em
 
2012-10-20 05:47:11 AM

david_gaithersburg: ModernLuddite: jimmyjackfunk: yeah the article comments mention some group he is a part of "patriots for America" and make the statement "with him in this group why is his wife allowed to serve in the military?" I haven't heard of this group, are they one of those hard line militia groups who think the only way to get us back on track as a country is to have another revolution?

Yeah, I saw that too. Google points to the Patriots for America profile for someone with this same name, and the statement that they consider the current president an "enemy to America".

He also owns guns.

So......yeah. Probably on a list for a reason.

This shiat is why the founding fathers intended for us to have a right to privacy.


I agree, actually. I don't really see why a private airline should deny service to anyone based on the government's opinions of what one does in their free time.

//But, you know - concealed carry permit, anti-government group membership, election year......yeah, I can see not wanting him on a plane.
 
2012-10-20 05:51:16 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You bought your ticket, you patriotic authoritarian right-wing jingo redneck southern confederate Republican Akin-supporting baby-killing jack-booted boot-licking Christian bootstrappy off-shoring out-sourcing six-gun-shootin' gun-totin' flag-waving son of a snowblower, you knew what you were getting into. Hallelujah, Jesus Christ, where's the Tylenol?


Derp
 
2012-10-20 05:53:26 AM

ModernLuddite: david_gaithersburg: ModernLuddite: jimmyjackfunk: yeah the article comments mention some group he is a part of "patriots for America" and make the statement "with him in this group why is his wife allowed to serve in the military?" I haven't heard of this group, are they one of those hard line militia groups who think the only way to get us back on track as a country is to have another revolution?

Yeah, I saw that too. Google points to the Patriots for America profile for someone with this same name, and the statement that they consider the current president an "enemy to America".

He also owns guns.

So......yeah. Probably on a list for a reason.

This shiat is why the founding fathers intended for us to have a right to privacy.

I agree, actually. I don't really see why a private airline should deny service to anyone based on the government's opinions of what one does in their free time.

//But, you know - concealed carry permit, anti-government group membership, election year......yeah, I can see not wanting him on a plane.


Yeah, he might speak to people on the plane.
 
2012-10-20 05:57:50 AM
You people deserve far worse than this bullshiat.
 
2012-10-20 06:04:20 AM
I've not traveled by air since before the TSA existed. Rental cars are affordable, reliable, and good enough for where I go. Of course for military families air travel is really essential. But every dollar we spend is much like a vote, and I'm not casting any votes for the air travel industry.
 
2012-10-20 06:09:43 AM
othmar

I LOL'd at that pic had to step away. At least I drink more carefully in front of the puter now...

But yeah we are farked any civil liberties we had are gone... Updated in MINUTES WTF???
We are toast...
 
2012-10-20 06:20:37 AM
ESCAPE FROM HAWAII

www.unseen64.net

www.ultimofashions.co.uk

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-20 06:29:04 AM
I'm surprised that Obama didn't send ACORN to put this guy in an internment camp.
 
2012-10-20 06:30:13 AM
Good. I mean, it's not like our government would use some Gestapo like, autocratic, Naziesque fascist tactics to turn a device designed to protect passengers from the most violent terrorists imaginable into some arbitrary excuse to randomly deprive Americans of their constitutional rights. He must have done SOMEthing. Anybody know what the terror alert level is for today? I need to update my hour to hour spreadsheet and I can't find the color meter website anymore. For freedom.
 
2012-10-20 07:26:56 AM

david_gaithersburg:
This shiat is why the founding fathers intended for us to have a right to privacy.


Completely agree.

However, posting your personal gun ownership status, thoughts on the legitimacy of the president, and nutjob conspiracy theories on a publicly viewable forum pretty much removes any consideration of privacy discussions in this particular case.
 
2012-10-20 07:35:39 AM

fatbear: david_gaithersburg:
This shiat is why the founding fathers intended for us to have a right to privacy.

Completely agree.

However, posting your personal gun ownership status, thoughts on the legitimacy of the president, and nutjob conspiracy theories on a publicly viewable forum pretty much removes any consideration of privacy discussions in this particular case.


He has the right to express his opinion, and the right to carry a weapon for protection. Nowhere in TFA did it say that he was a threat to anyone. In fact, he had security clearance. Perhaps he said something midflight that raised concern.
If gun ownership and strong opinions influenced travel then half of the people on the internet would be on that list.
 
2012-10-20 07:46:34 AM
Janet Napolitano got a free vacation?
 
2012-10-20 07:58:43 AM

hackhix: My last name is Hicks - you don't have any idea what a hassle that's been for the past decade

First there was the Aussie Taliban, then a few years later, there was another dude in the same state with the same name as me and the same birthday and the pharmacy mixed our scrips up - crazy


Heh...My younger brother had the same problem.
 
2012-10-20 08:23:48 AM
He was outbound. Let him go. Don't fark with him until he's on his way back, for chrissakes.
 
2012-10-20 08:29:07 AM

jimmyjackfunk: yeah the article comments mention some group he is a part of "patriots for America" and make the statement "with him in this group why is his wife allowed to serve in the military?" I haven't heard of this group, are they one of those hard line militia groups who think the only way to get us back on track as a country is to have another revolution?

/and I will never understand the feds post 9/11 I applied for a haz mat certification and had to go through Homeland Security. No big deal nothing popped up and I had my confirmation letter within a week and the endorsement on my license the next day. Now I am waiting to get hired on at another company and they want to hire me but policy says they have to wait for the background to come back. Ok who the hell are they using. 7 days to get a check through homeland security that "supposedly" ran my information against all local, state, and federal records (hell they even found when I served in the Navy in 1990) but this place has taken almost three weeks. And it isn't like I have a checkered past either.


Don't complain. My background took 9 months.
 
2012-10-20 08:36:52 AM
My name (which is not common/Scottish derivation) has come up on watch lists off and on but so far not on the no fly list. I find this amusing because I also have a government security clearance. You'd think they would cross check those lists.

Haven't had a problem for four or five years now.
 
2012-10-20 08:38:27 AM
This is from the same United States government that cannot balance its budget.
 
2012-10-20 08:43:44 AM

ModernLuddite: jimmyjackfunk: yeah the article comments mention some group he is a part of "patriots for America" and make the statement "with him in this group why is his wife allowed to serve in the military?" I haven't heard of this group, are they one of those hard line militia groups who think the only way to get us back on track as a country is to have another revolution?

Yeah, I saw that too. Google points to the Patriots for America profile for someone with this same name, and the statement that they consider the current president an "enemy to America".

He also owns guns.

So......yeah. Probably on a list for a reason.


Actually, further down in the comments, the same guy that cried about the dude in TFA being in the group goes on to quote the group's mission statement as saying they trust in the ballot box for change and never condone violence and that they believe the President and Congress to be enemies of the Constitution (TSA, NDAA, NYPD slamming 80-year old grandmas into the glass for trying to make a withdrawal at their bank... anything ringing any bells yet?). If those are the biggest biatches someone has with the group this guy belongs to then they may as well detain half of our citizens for thinking the same thing in respect to our politicians. Standard disclaimer: no, I did not visit the patriot whatever website. Just basing the statements off the complaining guy in the articles' comments, as I fail to see from his remarks what the problem is.
 
2012-10-20 09:45:22 AM

MurphyMurphy: Let me put on my best Republican:

This is America.

We don't need no stinking liberal (liberdrool! right?) civil rights and due process

This guy obviously is guilty of something, just look at him. You don't get on that list unless someone had a reason.

We can't risk it, freedom isn't free. He can rot in hawaii. If thats what it takes to support our troops and protect my children, so be it.

I'll pray for him.



As soon as the Democrats get a majority, they will repeal the patriot act. Or extend it. Whatever.
 
2012-10-20 10:12:53 AM
The most disturbing aspect of this story is that the individual continues to be allowed to own firearms despite his listing in a secretly compiled database without any due process, prior notification nor means of appeal. This is a clear example of the "terror loophole" mentioned by gun control advocates.
 
2012-10-20 11:14:23 AM

crab66: I'm surprised that Obama didn't send ACORN to put this guy in an internment camp.


Why? The article says he's a Truther. He's more likely to be a Obamatard than tea drinker.
 
2012-10-20 11:17:05 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: knightmike: The Southern Dandy: Been there, done that.

When I was in the Army I was taking a Space Available flight from Okinawa to Travis AFC in California. I got bumped in Hawaii. Sounds great, but I had not one penny to my name...I had blown my entire net worth on leave in the Philippines. For two days I lived on coffee and donuts from the USO...breakfast, lunch and dinner=coffee and donuts. Slept on the floor of the USO too. Thanks goodness for them.

What did you purchase in the Philippines that was so expensive?

My guess would be hookers and booze.

\lots of 'em


That's what I did. It was a great 11 days!
 
2012-10-20 11:29:25 AM
"It's scary to know that something like this can happen in a free country. You're not accused of any crime. You haven't been contacted by anyone. No investigation has been done. No due process has taken place," he said.

So that would mean that you are not in a free country anymore.
 
2012-10-20 11:39:09 AM

sunlion: I've not traveled by air since before the TSA existed. Rental cars are affordable, reliable, and good enough for where I go. Of course for military families air travel is really essential. But every dollar we spend is much like a vote, and I'm not casting any votes for the air travel industry.


Well, Google will give driving directions to where my wife's family is. There are 6600 miles of sailing and 500 of jet skiing in it, though. Amazingly, it's only saying 13.5 days to make the trip--it's figuring a sailing speed of 25mph.
 
2012-10-20 11:47:35 AM
The terrorists Cheney won.
 
2012-10-20 11:50:03 AM

Benjimin_Dover: Why? The article says he's a Truther. He's more likely to be a Obamatard than tea drinker.


I've met more Libertarian truthers than Democratic, and his wife is a Navy Officer which suggests they're both Republicans.

I think the evidence is inconclusive.
 
2012-10-20 12:06:43 PM
Here's a thought. Turn Hawaii into a penal colony for people suspected of being terrorists.

Random Hawaii vacations for everybody!

Also, if they turn out to really be terrorists, they can't hurt Americans because everybody knows that Hawaii is not a state. Nor is any other place that Obama was born.

He still has a ways to go before he is born in as many places as Sam Slick the Clockmaker or ancient Greek poet Homer, who are tied at seven.
 
2012-10-20 12:48:42 PM

gozar_the_destroyer: knightmike: The Southern Dandy: Been there, done that.

When I was in the Army I was taking a Space Available flight from Okinawa to Travis AFC in California. I got bumped in Hawaii. Sounds great, but I had not one penny to my name...I had blown my entire net worth on leave in the Philippines. For two days I lived on coffee and donuts from the USO...breakfast, lunch and dinner=coffee and donuts. Slept on the floor of the USO too. Thanks goodness for them.

What did you purchase in the Philippines that was so expensive?

My guess would be hookers and booze.

\lots of 'em


This
 
2012-10-20 05:33:51 PM
I understand the No Fly list and its theory of purpose.
But its when no one will account for any answers as to why you are on it is the secrecy part that worries me.

When you have power, yet no accountability, you're dangerous!
 
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