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(New Scientist)   Cassette tape drives are coming back. No word yet on the Commodore 64   (newscientist.com) divider line 82
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2012-10-19 10:08:12 PM  
I still have a double cassette deck. I'm going to be the world's greatest pirate.
 
2012-10-19 10:21:12 PM  
I would play the shiat out of some Micro League Baseball right now.
 
2012-10-19 10:46:19 PM  
Subby needs to look here: Link
 
2012-10-19 10:47:26 PM  

EatenTheSun: I would play the shiat out of some Micro League Baseball right now.


I'll see your Micro League Baseball and raise you Archon.
 
2012-10-19 11:13:38 PM  
Boy, I can't wait for 2022 when hard drive capacity reaches 3 terabytes!
 
2012-10-19 11:14:08 PM  
Please be kind, rewind.
 
2012-10-19 11:16:48 PM  
Great!

Now I have an excuse for saving all those wooden things with the rubber on one end and pointy graphite on the other.
 
2012-10-19 11:22:42 PM  
i291.photobucket.com


EatenTheSun: I would play the shiat out of some Micro League Baseball right now.


I spent whole weekends programming in current teams..... Like all 30 (or I guess 26 back then!) and playing the whole season concurrent with the real season going on..... A few times, it was very, very similar

RedPhoenix122: EatenTheSun: I would play the shiat out of some Micro League Baseball right now.

I'll see your Micro League Baseball and raise you Archon.


My buddy used to kick my ass (for real) because of my prowess with that unicorn firing its horn.....

/cool stories. bro
 
2012-10-19 11:24:25 PM  
Tape backups never went out of use.
 
2012-10-19 11:27:26 PM  
I just can't get around the idea of "what happens to latency when the data you want is at the other end of a spooled tape?" I'm not sure how any filesystem in the world could make that not take at least a couple seconds to retrieve, and for most business applications, latency matters a whole hell of a lot.
 
2012-10-19 11:27:26 PM  
As much as I reminisce about playing 8-bit games, I don't believe I've ever beaten a Commodore 64 game.
 
2012-10-19 11:28:24 PM  
Current projections by the trade body Information Storage Industry Consortium show that although hard drives will be able to store 3 terabytes a piece in a decade's time, that still amounts to at least 120,000 drives a year.

I'm guessing they mean per platter or something, right? Otherwise, maybe they should get someone to go check out Newegg.
 
2012-10-19 11:29:16 PM  
Behold the glory of the first PC I used in school!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-19 11:30:50 PM  
I beat Ghostbusters once on the commodore. I still feel it was my greatest achievement, because that damn marshmallow man would always step on 2 of my guys! BUT ONCE! ONCE I WON!
 
2012-10-19 11:32:36 PM  
Ah, my old TRS 80, where are you now?
 
2012-10-19 11:34:41 PM  
Press play on tape
 
2012-10-19 11:38:19 PM  
 
2012-10-19 11:39:12 PM  
I remember someone commenting on the impressive bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes, but the lag time is horrendous.
 
2012-10-19 11:43:33 PM  

Rabbid_Squirrel: I just can't get around the idea of "what happens to latency when the data you want is at the other end of a spooled tape?" I'm not sure how any filesystem in the world could make that not take at least a couple seconds to retrieve, and for most business applications, latency matters a whole hell of a lot.


The longest six hours of my life was when I accidentally removed a production directory from a clustered machine and removed all of the web apps that were installed instantly. The other machine in the cluster instantly wiped the files evidently as they were gone from both machines in the blink of an eye. We had to get the backup team involved and it took hours. The guy doing the restore would laugh when another tape mount message would come up and they would have to find someone to go physically search for the tape and then load it into the tape machine. I would cringe because if they couldn't find the tape, I was screwed. They finally got it all restored, but the salt in the wound was that it was from the night before so all of the work deploying code that night was gone. So we started all deployments over. You bet your ass when I got to the same point I didn't make that mistake again. Tapes are for backups and data you don't need instant access to.
 
2012-10-19 11:45:27 PM  
Red Storm Rising, on my Commodore. Typical graphics, but a good strategy game.
 
2012-10-19 11:45:30 PM  
prototypes that can store 35 terabytes of data - or about 35 million books' worth of information - on a cartridge that measures just 10 centimetres by 10 cm by 2 cm.

Just for nostalgia's sake, I'd make the bastards look exactly like ye olde cassette tappe.
 
2012-10-19 11:49:54 PM  

jfarkinB: Boy, I can't wait for 2022 when hard drive capacity reaches 3 terabytes!


the cake is a pie: Current projections by the trade body Information Storage Industry Consortium show that although hard drives will be able to store 3 terabytes a piece in a decade's time, that still amounts to at least 120,000 drives a year.

I'm guessing they mean per platter or something, right? Otherwise, maybe they should get someone to go check out Newegg.


Um, yeah something wrong with that quote. I can buy a 3 TB drive right now, by 2024, it should be at least 128TB, if not 256, according to Moore's law...
 
2012-10-19 11:54:49 PM  

SamFlagg: I beat Ghostbusters once on the commodore. I still feel it was my greatest achievement, because that damn marshmallow man would always step on 2 of my guys! BUT ONCE! ONCE I WON!


That farking stay puffed marshmellow man. How I hated it squishing powers as I tried to run my little men under him. I credit that game to turning me into an alcoholic weirdo.
 
2012-10-19 11:55:20 PM  
This is bad news for... hipsters.
 
2012-10-19 11:56:20 PM  

Labrat407: Behold the glory of the first PC I used in school!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x280]


Love the built-in cassette drive.
 
2012-10-19 11:57:10 PM  
"... a cartridge 10 cm x 10 cm x 2 cm."

Sorry, that's not a 'cassette'. Sounds like an Ultrium LTO cartridge, or a variant thereof.

LTO-5 already puts 1.6 TB on a cartridge, native. With nominal 2:1 compression, it's 3.2 TB.
 
2012-10-20 12:00:18 AM  

SamFlagg: I beat Ghostbusters once on the commodore. I still feel it was my greatest achievement, because that damn marshmallow man would always step on 2 of my guys! BUT ONCE! ONCE I WON!


I know that feeling, man.
 
2012-10-20 12:00:31 AM  
This would be good if they can deliver 10~20TB of reliable data storage on cassettes that cost less then $20 each, on a drive that costs less then $250.

I'd consider that.

I'd also like to know how long the data can sit on the tape and be reliable (i.e. how long before serious degradation).

/If you'll excuse me now, I'm going to sleep soon, and surely have horrible flashback nightmares of my days handling mainframe tapes and punchcards in 1989-1990 at the RASC in Camp Kinser on Okinawa.
//If anybody on Fark knows WTF I'm talking about it, Ooh Rah.
 
2012-10-20 12:04:24 AM  

o4tuna: Um, yeah something wrong with that quote. I can buy a 3 TB drive right now, by 2024, it should be at least 128TB, if not 256, according to Moore's law...


Hard drives haven't really kept up with Moore's law. Making the data more dense is easy, the problem is the trade off with reliability. And the denser you make the data, the more reliable it needs to be.

If a RAM chip goes bad, easy to replace. If a 128 TB hard drive goes bad? Yeah, that's a disaster.
 
2012-10-20 12:26:59 AM  
This might be good for those like to DL music.

You see, way back in the day...RIAA didn't like cassettes and people making mix tapes. So a compromise was reached. When you purchased a blank cassette a portion of the purchase goes to the RIAA....so you could legally make copies to share, give away etc. (not to sell or profit from tho). Because you already paid the RIAA fee in the purchase of the cassette. Link

When RW CDs came out the data people complained about a portion for each RW-CD going to the RIAA. Saying it was just for data only.

It would be interesting to see if this works in real life...DL all the 'shared files' on cassettes (in digital format) which would be technically legal since the RIAA got their dime....and then once in your possession, Upload them to your pod. As long as you bought the cassette and DL directly to Cassette and didn't profit from a re-sell..the RIAA was already paid.
 
2012-10-20 12:30:02 AM  

schrodinger: If a RAM chip goes bad, easy to replace. If a 128 TB hard drive goes bad? Yeah, that's a disaster.


Not if you've got the right RAID arrangement, with the right filesystem deployed on it.
 
2012-10-20 12:41:06 AM  

schrodinger:
Hard drives haven't really kept up with Moore's law. Making the data more dense is easy, the problem is the trade off with reliability. And the denser you make the data, the more reliable it needs to be.

I wonder how much of that is a lack of demand.
Most users won't ever fill up a decent sized laptop drive, to say nothing of multiple large disks.
Servers still care more about access time / latency so they're on 10K RPM (Or higher) RAID arrays of various high throughput interfaces where smaller individual disks aren't such a limit in overall storage capacity.

(Desktop) hard drives plowed through 1/2, 3/4 1, 1.5TB sizes, but those have stayed the mainstay affordable sizes for quite a while now. Are we hitting a wall in magnetic storage, or does the expense of 500+GB individual platters not meet the market demand?

I'm mainly just waiting for SSDs to get affordable in a size that can accommodate my Steam Games folder. Moore's law should work well for that, so if I don't buy any games for 4 or 5 years storage should catch up with my current games library.
 
2012-10-20 12:49:38 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: "... a cartridge 10 cm x 10 cm x 2 cm."

Sorry, that's not a 'cassette'. Sounds like an Ultrium LTO cartridge, or a variant thereof.

LTO-5 already puts 1.6 TB on a cartridge, native. With nominal 2:1 compression, it's 3.2 TB.


Yeah, that article looks like its written by somebody who has no inkling of what goes on when it comes to major backup operations.
 
2012-10-20 01:18:04 AM  

Seacop: Press play on tape


They should've followed that command with "NOW GO HAVE A SANDWICH" or "THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO VACUUM".
/Why does Chrome keep underlining "should've"?
 
2012-10-20 01:31:50 AM  

jfarkinB: schrodinger: If a RAM chip goes bad, easy to replace. If a 128 TB hard drive goes bad? Yeah, that's a disaster.

Not if you've got the right RAID arrangement, with the right filesystem deployed on it.


Wouldn't that take forever for the RAID to build/verify?
 
2012-10-20 01:35:43 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Ah, my old TRS 80, where are you now?


**
 
2012-10-20 01:39:19 AM  

RedPhoenix122: EatenTheSun: I would play the shiat out of some Micro League Baseball right now.

I'll see your Micro League Baseball and raise you Archon.


i.imgur.com

Sorry boys, thanks for playing. *reaches for the pot*

/what happened, Electronic Arts?
//you used to be cool
 
2012-10-20 01:42:21 AM  

Uncorrect: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Ah, my old TRS 80, where are you now?

**


Ah, Dungeons of Daggorath. The first dungeon crawler I ever played--and never beat until the emulator days. (I did beat the first wizard, but I got clobbered by the improved knights later on.)
 
2012-10-20 01:49:40 AM  

jfarkinB: Not if you've got the right RAID arrangement, with the right filesystem deployed on it.


IMHO, it still doesn't meet the same level of resiliency as tape. I've seen a drive in an array go bad, only to discover that a second drive had bad blocks during the rebuild, causing the rebuild to fail. And unless your filesystem has some advanced snapshoting features, you can still fark things up by inadvertently deleting files. And even that won't fix this:

newfs /dev/amr0

if you meant this:

newfs /dev/amr1

Ooops.
 
2012-10-20 02:07:30 AM  
They're the present if you don't mind spending >$1k
 
2012-10-20 02:11:06 AM  
Finally the floyd, zep and assorted bmi tape of the month, 20 free titled cassettes are out of the attic and back in play.

/Soon to be discovered: eight track.
//Oh yeah, continuous looping, forward and backward.
///dammit, should have saved sgt pepper
////and the 2XL 8 track playing robot
 
2012-10-20 02:23:00 AM  
It would be cool if I could order 10 for a penny from the back of Parade Magazine, with the agreement that I only have to buy one at regular price over the next year.
 
2012-10-20 02:34:32 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: "... a cartridge 10 cm x 10 cm x 2 cm."

Sorry, that's not a 'cassette'. Sounds like an Ultrium LTO cartridge, or a variant thereof.

LTO-5 already puts 1.6 TB on a cartridge, native. With nominal 2:1 compression, it's 3.2 TB.


I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the article is referring to. The reference to IBM's linear tape file system pretty much seals the deal, which is designed for LTO5. Cool idea, and makes sense for integrating with large tiered SAN arrays. It could potentially take the place of SATA drives in those arrays, where read/write speed isn't critical. The tapes and tape drives aren't cheap, and I'm not quite sure what the specific application would be. You'll still need to wait for tape mounts and people don't like waiting for data.

To sum up: file system on a tape, potentially moving tape backup technology into the quasi-primary storage realm.
 
2012-10-20 02:58:48 AM  
I wonder how well it would work out, using the technology from Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD), which can store 6TB on a regular optical disc, in a tape format. Seems like it'd be a good way to cram tons of data into a cartridge.
 
2012-10-20 03:11:49 AM  
I loved, loved, loved my C64. Still to this day the finest gaming library ever created.

i.ytimg.com
arbitrarium.files.wordpress.com
epltalk.com
www.spacemonsters.co.uk
www.c64gg.com
www.c64gg.com
 
2012-10-20 03:22:12 AM  
FTFA: The downside of tapes is that they are slower to access than hard discs because they have to be fetched by a robotic mechanism, inserted in a reader and spooled to the right point. But the Linear Tape File System, which is being developed, expedites this process to make it comparable to disc drives, Eleftheriou says.

Yeah... and it's not like cassette tapes running at high speed will ever jam or start distorting due to heat build-up from the friction. Think back to the Coleco Adam tape drives.

Is this a f*cking joke?
 
2012-10-20 03:42:46 AM  
but then we can clone drives by playing the tape back over a phone, and the guy on the other end hold a tape recorder up to the phone on his end! ;-)
 
2012-10-20 03:44:45 AM  

cyberuck: potentially moving tape backup technology into the quasi-primary storage realm.


It's exactly like that if you have no idea what primary storage is and like pulling things out of your ass.
 
2012-10-20 04:13:49 AM  
www.thehouseofgames.net
 
2012-10-20 04:24:26 AM  
SubbyNo word yet on Commodore 64

Commodore USA would like a word
 
2012-10-20 04:44:01 AM  
holy shiat bags, what memories seeing the old commie brings back.

/Spy Hunter
//Wizard
///Space Taxi
////on and on and on and on...
 
2012-10-20 04:59:40 AM  
No one else went WTF when the article said "hard drives will be able to store 3 TB of data in a decade" besides me?

They can do that NOW - in fact they have larger ones than that now. They are not even that expensive.

In 10 years time... I don't dare speculate but I would be very surprised if my porno collection is not in the multi-PB range at that point.
 
2012-10-20 05:07:47 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Ah, my old TRS 80, where are you now?


CASS?
 
2012-10-20 05:44:14 AM  
After reading through this thread, I'm going to look into LTO-5 for the office. Thanks, thread!

Also, if anyone has recommendations for drives to buy and cartridges to look into, let me know. I only need a basic system for storing cheap, reliable data. Nothing fancy.
 
2012-10-20 06:07:41 AM  
Yeah. No it's not.

Jesus, you people.
 
2012-10-20 06:27:08 AM  

Labrat407: Behold the glory of the first PC I used in school!


Admiral Kirk has one.
http://starringthecomputer.com/feature.html?f=29
 
2012-10-20 07:16:09 AM  
No, tapes aren't "coming back". Tape data storage has been around since forever.

And no, tape is in decline. There are labour and time costs with tape that aren't there with say, backing up to a remote server. OK, if you're backing up 35TB of data, tape may make sense, but for most businesses, even very large ones, they don't actually have that much data. I used to work for a telco, and we had a DB with millions of bills each month (to a transaction level), and it would all fit on a $50 hard drive.
 
2012-10-20 07:50:07 AM  
Oh, please do return. I miss terribly the days of CLOAD and ** and * and routine errors because the volume needed continual adjustment.

/trs-80 model 1, biatches
 
2012-10-20 07:53:59 AM  
"Current projections by the trade body Information Storage Industry Consortium show that although hard drives will be able to store 3 terabytes a piece in a decade's time,"

Huh? In a decade? I can buy a 3 TB drive right now from newegg. Are they these metric terabytes or something?
 
2012-10-20 08:18:32 AM  

KarmicDisaster: "Current projections by the trade body Information Storage Industry Consortium show that although hard drives will be able to store 3 terabytes a piece in a decade's time,"

Huh? In a decade? I can buy a 3 TB drive right now from newegg. Are they these metric terabytes or something?


emphasis mine.

I think this article is nothing but an incredibly subtle advertisement for NewEgg. I think everybody went there to check on the highest capacity hard drive they could buy.
 
2012-10-20 08:24:57 AM  
Are they talking about the next generation of STK1R tapes?

/Still prefer DASD.
 
2012-10-20 08:29:14 AM  
This is the type of tape drive I think they are talking about.

Those tapes can take a full beating without problems. When I worked in a tape library (back when people could smoke inside the data center) people would throw them over walls to get tossed in a storagetek silo, if one broke open you could just reel the tape together, snap it back closed and it was good to go. Fun times.

/Many places still use tape storage.
 
2012-10-20 08:48:36 AM  

tdyak: /Many places still use tape storage.


I work in a data center and I know of a handfull of customers that make regular backups to tapes. And that's just the ones I know about. Like most computer equipment, tape drives have their pros and cons. They are a good fit for certain situations. Personally, I'd prefer disk drives. Maybe set up a mirror or some other fault tolerant raid configuration.
 
2012-10-20 09:19:30 AM  
For $300 (Which is about what I paid for a 212 meg drive in 1993, IIRC) you can get a 4TB drive. In 19 years, capacity/price has gone up 20,000 times. IIRC (yes again) 10 years ago 30 gigs was all the rage. So, drive capacity has gone up about 133 times every decade for the same price. (212 mb * 133 = 28 gb ; 28 gb * 133 = 3.7 tb)

In 10 years you should be able to get a half-petabyte drive for $300. Give or take.
 
2012-10-20 09:21:25 AM  

Yotto: For $300 (Which is about what I paid for a 212 meg drive in 1993, IIRC) you can get a 4TB drive. In 19 years, capacity/price has gone up 20,000 times. IIRC (yes again) 10 years ago 30 gigs was all the rage. So, drive capacity has gone up about 133 times every decade for the same price. (212 mb * 133 = 28 gb ; 28 gb * 133 = 3.7 tb)

In 10 years you should be able to get a half-petabyte drive for $300. Give or take.


It's actually closer to 140 times, but that's still in roughly the same range (560 terabytes instead of just about 500). I do maths good.
 
2012-10-20 09:21:38 AM  
optikeye

"You see, way back in the day...RIAA didn't like cassettes and people making mix tapes. So a compromise was reached. When you purchased a blank cassette a portion of the purchase goes to the RIAA....so you could legally make copies to share, give away etc. (not to sell or profit from tho). Because you already paid the RIAA fee in the purchase of the cassette."

Yeah, though it didn't stop them from stamping this on the inner sleeves of records:

upload.wikimedia.org

And it didn't stop them from acting like taping an album was a felony tantamount to raping a child. Greedy pricks.
 
2012-10-20 09:57:32 AM  
That was an unbelievably good troll if I ever seen one.

Tape are only worth anything for backup storage, and not, nor ever been for actual active data.

Anyone worth anything as far as computer knowledge goes, would know this.

Dinjiin: jfarkinB: Not if you've got the right RAID arrangement, with the right filesystem deployed on it.

IMHO, it still doesn't meet the same level of resiliency as tape. I've seen a drive in an array go bad, only to discover that a second drive had bad blocks during the rebuild, causing the rebuild to fail. And unless your filesystem has some advanced snapshoting features, you can still fark things up by inadvertently deleting files. And even that won't fix this:

newfs /dev/amr0

if you meant this:

newfs /dev/amr1

Ooops.


If whomever had that system didn't have a clue I would say, as you do not rely on a single RAID array if you have a single clue (considering the importance of the data), Anyone with an once of intelligence would have a minimum of a secondary redundant array if not two.

Heck, just for my files at home (pictures, music, documents and other personal stuff) I have a minimum of three copies.

With 2TB back at 100$, one would have to be a heel of a cheapskate or too poor to even have a system worth having, if they don't have a few backups.


And as far as power consumption goes, with low power drives and sleep mode, the power requirements are much lower than they used to be.
 
xcv
2012-10-20 10:51:54 AM  

blahpers: RedPhoenix122: EatenTheSun: I would play the shiat out of some Micro League Baseball right now.

I'll see your Micro League Baseball and raise you Archon.

[i.imgur.com image 320x200]

Sorry boys, thanks for playing. *reaches for the pot*

/what happened, Electronic Arts?
//you used to be cool


At least we're getting a sequel via Kickstarter.
 
2012-10-20 11:22:19 AM  

President Merkin Muffley: cyberuck: potentially moving tape backup technology into the quasi-primary storage realm.

It's exactly like that if you have no idea what primary storage is and like pulling things out of your ass.


Tell that to IBM. That's how they're pitching it - primary storage. NOT backup.
 
2012-10-20 11:43:26 AM  
Tape drives never really went anywhere. You might not see them in home offices anymore but they're alive and well in data centers. I share some raised-floor lab space with a robotic tape library used for enterprise backups. Completely automated. Seems the only time a human's presence is required is when tapes are transferred to an offsite storage facility for archival. About once per day you see sysadmins pushing a cart of tapes to be taken for archival. Other than that, the robot seems pretty self-sufficient. Pretty facinating to watch.
 
2012-10-20 12:20:33 PM  

tdyak: Are they talking about the next generation of STK1R tapes?


No, I think it's only available on DVD now.

networkawesome.com
 
2012-10-20 12:44:28 PM  
CLOADM
 
2012-10-20 04:45:43 PM  
How many admin (and even home users) religiously make backups but never test them? I've seen epic fail where folks make all kinds of backups but never tried to to a test restore from even a small random sample.
 
2012-10-20 09:04:54 PM  

MrBentor: How many admin (and even home users) religiously make backups but never test them? I've seen epic fail where folks make all kinds of backups but never tried to to a test restore from even a small random sample.


Many home users backup to recordable optical media. The more common authoring programs have "verify after burn". It is fairly easy to turn it on. Most people I know use it because you can always get a bad batch of discs.

So I would guess it is fairly common to test them.
 
2012-10-20 10:39:55 PM  
I still have a working C64 with the original Might & Magic on floppy.... and a very large map of "Varn" painstakingly mapped out by hand with colored pencils on sheets of graph paper taped together and pasted to a cardboard backing.

oldgames.ganje.de
 
2012-10-21 12:13:30 AM  
If they bring this back, I'm sold:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-21 01:49:32 AM  

Dinjiin: MrBentor: How many admin (and even home users) religiously make backups but never test them? I've seen epic fail where folks make all kinds of backups but never tried to to a test restore from even a small random sample.

Many home users backup to recordable optical media. The more common authoring programs have "verify after burn". It is fairly easy to turn it on. Most people I know use it because you can always get a bad batch of discs.

So I would guess it is fairly common to test them.


Anyone still using CD/DVD for backups need to wake up and move forward and get a real-time backup system that would be need to be nothing more than a external drive and a proper software.

CD/DVD have been the worse piece of crap when it comes to being used as backups. The failure rate of these disks have been much (MUCH) higher than the claims have been.

Most disks I've dealt with have proven to be unreliable after just a couple of years, regardless of the brand., regardless of the fact that they were tested and shown to be working fine, regardless of the promise of 10 years minimum stability by the manufacturers.

I used to burn a minimum of 2 disks when there was no real alternatives, and the moment that external drives (and enclosures became available), I jumped ship, as even with two backups, I still had my share of losing data thanks to both disks going bad at a really bad time (and regardless that I'd even go and use different brands and/or batches to prevent getting a bad sequential set of disks).
 
2012-10-21 02:23:08 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: "... a cartridge 10 cm x 10 cm x 2 cm."

Sorry, that's not a 'cassette'. Sounds like an Ultrium LTO cartridge, or a variant thereof.

LTO-5 already puts 1.6 TB on a cartridge, native. With nominal 2:1 compression, it's 3.2 TB.


I'm not sure what your definition of 'cassette' is, but the formal definition has nothing to do with size.
 
2012-10-21 02:24:04 AM  
And you all laughed.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-21 05:02:52 AM  

Slackfumasta: If they bring this back, I'm sold:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 512x512]


Link

enjoy
 
2012-10-21 06:46:33 PM  
OLD CS1
 
2012-10-21 11:17:49 PM  
VIC-20?
 
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