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(Yahoo)   "[Romney's] changing up so much and backtracking and side stepping we've got to name this condition he's going through. I think it's called 'Romnesia'"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 237
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2012-10-19 03:12:25 PM
I like the term "Romnesia." I hope it catches on.
 
2012-10-19 03:16:14 PM

shower_in_my_socks: I like the term "Romnesia." I hope it catches on.


I am kinda of stunned it hasn't already.
 
2012-10-19 03:17:11 PM
Romnania?
 
2012-10-19 03:18:44 PM
+1 because it just...works.
 
2012-10-19 03:22:51 PM
How about we call it lying

Lying seems to be more accurate.
 
2012-10-19 03:27:49 PM
I thought perhaps this neologism was created by an Obama staffer, but a quick Google shows over 68,000 hits, which is a bit much even for a vogue word. Among the earliest hits are two that suggest why it might be a vogue word.

One, it is defined by Urban Dictionary and two, it was used and defined (in the same way) by George Monbiot, the UK shiat-disturber, leftist and environmentalist on September 24.

Monbiot is pretty clever and can be witty. He's a bit of a maverick and knows how to get news coverage (as for example, when he attempted a citizen's arrest of George W. Bush while the President was in the UK).

I suspect he is the coiner of the word "Romnesia). Here is the first paragraph of his article:

A potent myth is being used to justify economic capture by a parasitic class.


By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 24th September 2012

We could call it Romnesia: the ability of the very rich to forget the context in which they made their money. To forget their education, inheritance, family networks, contacts and introductions. To forget the workers whose labour enriched them. To forget the infrastructure and security, the educated workforce, the contracts, subsidies and bail-outs the government provided.

http://www.monbiot.com/2012/09/24/romnesia/

If anybody notices an earlier instance, I would be interested to know it.

I will have a look for myself, of course. One of my pet peeves is people who ask you to do things for them which they could do for themselves in less time than it takes to ask. For example, somebody who is sitting at a computer who asks for the definition of a word. The web is the world's largest (if not most accurate) dictionary and encyclopedia. Look it up.
 
2012-10-19 03:33:47 PM
He better be careful when making fun of Mitt. Tagg is a going to attack like a spider monkey one of these days.
 
2012-10-19 03:45:08 PM
Sounds kinda hypocritical, since your Lord and Savior is guilty of the same.

/just sayin'
 
2012-10-19 03:46:15 PM

PallMall: Sounds kinda hypocritical, since your Lord and Savior is guilty of the same.

/just sayin'


Jesus was a hypocrite? Huh, I had no idea.

Or do you mean The One?
 
2012-10-19 03:48:45 PM

Brontes: He better be careful when making fun of Mitt. Tagg is a going to attack like a spider monkey one of these days.


He could go Poohstal anytime
 
2012-10-19 03:50:05 PM

Nadie_AZ: Jesus was a hypocrite? Huh, I had no idea.

Or do you mean The One?


I didn't say. The choice is your own.
 
2012-10-19 03:51:11 PM

PallMall: Nadie_AZ: Jesus was a hypocrite? Huh, I had no idea.

Or do you mean The One?

I didn't say. The choice is your own.


Ah. Thanks!

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2012-10-19 03:55:40 PM

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YIKES!
 
2012-10-19 03:59:19 PM

Aarontology: How about we call it lying

Lying seems to be more accurate.


He is lying, and his supporters have Romnesia.
 
2012-10-19 03:59:30 PM
I did some Google Magic and it looks like Monbiot did coin the word--at least as far as the web is concerned. He used it on Sept. 24 in The Guardian (and posted the article on his blog, as is his wont), the next day it was referenced by The Independant, a prominent centralist paper, and on Sept. 29 Monbiot is quoted again by a left-wing site.

There seems to have been little public notice besides these three sites until Obama took up the word and used it, after which it exploided to 68,000 hits in a matter of hours.

Too early to say if it will "catch on", but odds are not bad that it will be a web meme for the next nine days, after which it might vanish.

Unless, of course, it fills a need.

Personally I think Monbiot has a point which is broader and less partisan than Obama's use of the term as a throw-away (black-out, as cartoonists say) line.

Monbiot is right about the tendancy of successful business people to "forget" the conditions of their success (thus taking credit for a complex of work, luck, other people's accomplishments, etc.).

A recent poll of well-to-do Canadians found that 1% of them attributed their success to luck, 4% to being born into a wealthy family, and a majority were divided between "hard work" and "a good education". This is human nature and universal, not just a fluke of the super-rich like Romney, but I think we could use a handy word to label behaviour which stands in the way of understanding between the 1% and 99%, or more pointedly, the 0.01% who are really quite sincerely rich as opposed to merely rich enough to be considered a member of the upper classes (of which there seem to be at least three: the old money, the new money, and the upper middle class "mass affluent" who are rich in the eyes of the 99% but often not by their own standards). These mass-affluent are the Horatio Alger types who worked themselves up from nothinig to the lower middle or upper middle classes.

Some of these people are quite right to attribute their success as they do, since the dominant factor is correctly identified in their personal case, but I beleive that ALL of them should recognize and acknowledge all of the factors, including blind luck, inherited capital (not just money and machinery, but also non-formal education and "breeding" and manners, etc.).

One of the key elements in success is always said to be confidence. A lot of people are born with confidence, some achieve confidence and some have confidence thrust upon them.

I think Monbiot is on to something we need to understand, name, and address, namely the tendancy to misattribute and misremember the conditions of our existence and success or failure.

Too often discussion of these matters breaks down into ideological name-calling and clichés. In reality, the story is more complex and sometimes you should endeavor to escape from the pressures of story which forces your thinking into trite plot-lines and clichéed "conventional wisdom".

I think Monbiot is well worth the read even when he annoys or outrages, but often his thinking is clear, well-informed and intelligent--more so than even most "liberals" or "leftists" with good liberal educations and an animus against stupidity and lies.

To conclude (for now), I'd like to note that at least two articles are saying that Obama coined this word. He did not, and I am afraid that no matter how cleverly he worked the gag into his set, it was better and more usefully used by Monbiot, even if Monbiot himself is quoting something he overheard or which was just hanging in the air, waiting for somebody to pluck it and put it into a word.
 
2012-10-19 04:03:00 PM

sweetmelissa31: Aarontology: How about we call it lying

Lying seems to be more accurate.

He is lying, and his supporters have Romnesia.


Works for me
 
2012-10-19 04:03:03 PM
Romnesia makes me think of Rhodesia, which may be appropriate, considering that a lot of conservative White (and possibly Black) Rhodesians seem to have been fatally afflicted with the malady in their time, and a lot of radical Black Zimbawe politicians and mobs are afflicted with their own version of Romnesia even now.

Romnesia can be very dangerous. It can even destroy economies and peoples. A lot of the great imperial powers may have succumbed to it.

I vote for making this a "real" word and retaining the Monbiot definition as the core of its meaning.
 
2012-10-19 04:07:37 PM
Speak of the Devil and He shall appear.

Here's an article already tracing the coining of "Romnesia" back to a Tweet in March, well before Monbiot used the word in September:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82643.html

Quote: "The word may have been coined by liberal Twitter user @BreakingNuts, who tweeted on March 23, "Romnesia: a severe form of amnesia that strikes dishonest politicians. #Romney #GOP #Amnesia #Romnesia." The Nation's editor and publisher, Katrina vanden Heuvel, then retweeted @BreakingNuts to her 55,000+ followers."



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82643.html#ixzz29mGBokh2

Well, we have an alternative source and definition now. The plot thickens!
 
2012-10-19 04:12:31 PM

sweetmelissa31: Aarontology: How about we call it lying

Lying seems to be more accurate.

He is lying, and his supporters have Romnesia.


Close contact with the Romney Etch-a-Sketch can often result in Romnesia.
 
2012-10-19 04:20:12 PM
Whoops! Looks like I may be guilty of Romnesia if I don't retract my premature speculation that Monbiot coined the term. He just changed the terms of reference from politicians to the economic, political and ideological power behind them.
 
2012-10-19 04:21:55 PM
 
2012-10-19 04:24:18 PM

brantgoose: The plot thickens!


I find your enthusiasm for etymology in this world of language as a dying art encouraging. Or is it just politics to you?
 
2012-10-19 04:32:06 PM

sweetmelissa31: Aarontology: How about we call it lying

Lying seems to be more accurate.

He is lying, and his supporters have Romnesia.


Romnesia is certainly better than Obamalarkey.
 
2012-10-19 04:34:31 PM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Aarontology: How about we call it lying

Lying seems to be more accurate.

He is lying, and his supporters have Romnesia.

Romnesia is certainly better than Obamalarkey.


They're both better than Joesh*t.
 
2012-10-19 05:02:11 PM

PallMall: Sounds kinda hypocritical, since your Lord and Savior is guilty of the same.

/just sayin'


Your comments are the biggest waste of time on Fark. That you even went to the trouble of typing it all out is astounding to me and it irritates me that I had to read it.

brantgoose:
I did some Google Magic and it looks like Monbiot did coin the word--at least as far as the web is concerned. He used it on Sept. 24 in The Guardian (and posted the article on his blog, as is his wont), the next day it was referenced by The Independant, a prominent centralist paper, and on Sept. 29 Monbiot is quoted again by a left-wing site.

There seems to have been little public notice besides these three sites until Obama took up the word and used it, after which it exploided to 68,000 hits in a matter of hours.

Too early to say if it will "catch on", but odds are not bad that it will be a web meme for the next nine days, after which it might vanish.

Unless, of course, it fills a need.

Personally I think Monbiot has a point which is broader and less partisan than Obama's use of the term as a throw-away (black-out, as cartoonists say) line.

Monbiot is right about the tendancy of successful business people to "forget" the conditions of their success (thus taking credit for a complex of work, luck, other people's accomplishments, etc.).

A recent poll of well-to-do Canadians found that 1% of them attributed their success to luck, 4% to being born into a wealthy family, and a majority were divided between "hard work" and "a good education". This is human nature and universal, not just a fluke of the super-rich like Romney, but I think we could use a handy word to label behaviour which stands in the way of understanding between the 1% and 99%, or more pointedly, the 0.01% who are really quite sincerely rich as opposed to merely rich enough to be considered a member of the upper classes (of which there seem to be at least three: the old money, the new money, and the upper middle class "mass affluent" who are rich in the eyes of the 99% but often not by their own standards). These mass-affluent are the Horatio Alger types who worked themselves up from nothinig to the lower middle or upper middle classes.

Some of these people are quite right to attribute their succ ...

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Hmmm...my apologies to PallMall.
 
2012-10-19 05:17:30 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Hmmm...my apologies to PallMall.


Accepted.

/Google is Magic
 
2012-10-19 05:28:52 PM
And that's no Obamaloney!
 
2012-10-19 05:30:19 PM

PallMall: Sounds kinda hypocritical, since your Lord and Savior is guilty of the same.

/just sayin'


Wow. Grey 2 to Grey 3 in two consecutive threads. Well done.
 
2012-10-19 05:31:25 PM

Nadie_AZ: PallMall: Sounds kinda hypocritical, since your Lord and Savior is guilty of the same.

/just sayin'

Jesus was a hypocrite? Huh, I had no idea.

Or do you mean The One?


Leave Nixon out of this!

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2012-10-19 05:32:57 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Leave Nixon out of this!

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You have chosen....
 
2012-10-19 05:33:39 PM

unyon: Wow. Grey 2 to Grey 3 in two consecutive threads. Well done.


Go on...
 
2012-10-19 05:35:46 PM

PallMall: Lionel Mandrake: Leave Nixon out of this!

[i159.photobucket.com image 190x195]

You have chosen....


I'm not old enough to have voted for Nixon, so...yeah...
 
2012-10-19 05:39:36 PM
Romnesia.

I like it.
 
2012-10-19 05:59:19 PM

PallMall: unyon: Wow. Grey 2 to Grey 3 in two consecutive threads. Well done.

Go on...


First off, I presume any verbose TF poster with only a 30-day old account to be an alt. But beyond that, the whole messianic Obama assumption is offensive, as offensive as assuming someone with a conservative viewpoint is some sort of defacto racist.

Understand that I really don't give much of a shiat- I'm Canadian, you guys can do what you like.

The colours are an adopted idea- every time you post something that strikes me as trollish, I won't simply put you on ignore. Instead, your colour moves up a notch on the grey scale until you slowly fade away...

It's easy to move the other direction as well. Entertain me. I don't have to agree with your point of view, but dammit, if you're gonna be a dick, be a funny one.
 
2012-10-19 06:17:58 PM

unyon: First off, I presume any verbose TF poster with only a 30-day old account to be an alt. But beyond that, the whole messianic Obama assumption is offensive, as offensive as assuming someone with a conservative viewpoint is some sort of defacto racist.

Understand that I really don't give much of a shiat- I'm Canadian, you guys can do what you like.

The colours are an adopted idea- every time you post something that strikes me as trollish, I won't simply put you on ignore. Instead, your colour moves up a notch on the grey scale until you slowly fade away...

It's easy to move the other direction as well. Entertain me. I don't have to agree with your point of view, but dammit, if you're gonna be a dick, be a funny one.


Go on....

/I'd point it out, but this might get good.
 
2012-10-19 07:02:53 PM
Who know who else had Romnesia?
www.eonline.com
 
2012-10-19 07:22:12 PM
"You're beginning to be able to identify these symptoms. And if you come down with a case of Romnesia, and you can't seem to remember the policies that are still on your website, or the promises you've made over the six years you've been running for president, here's the good news: Obamacare covers preexisting conditions," Obama said, smiling. "We can fix you up. We've got a cure. We can make you well, Virginia. This is a curable disease."

That's really very good. Whichever speech writer, Toby or Sam, wrote that for him ought to get a free trip to Hawaii after the election.
 
2012-10-19 08:16:16 PM
Does this mean we can use the word "Obamaroids" to describe how we feel after 4 years of Obama being president?
 
2012-10-19 08:26:08 PM

EnviroDude: Does this mean we can use the word "Obamaroids" to describe how we feel after 4 years of Obama being president?


Butthurt?
 
2012-10-19 08:27:56 PM

shower_in_my_socks: I like the term "Romnesia." I hope it catches on.


I still want to make Calvintax happen (all credits to the brilliant farker who coined that one during the debate thread).
 
2012-10-19 08:41:42 PM
Romnesia, huh? Careful--that is often the wrong diagnosis for Mittpocracy.
 
2012-10-19 08:43:15 PM
*Mittpocricy
 
2012-10-19 08:57:33 PM
Do you get dizzy from spinning? Do you struggle with simple tasks, like basic arithmetic? Do you pretend to be something you're not to make people like you? Then you may have Romnesia. But now there's a drug that can help. Ask your doctor if Formoryears-RX is right for you.
 
2012-10-19 09:08:42 PM
Cynical liar doesn't work any more?
 
2012-10-19 09:10:55 PM
Does it really matter who came up with the term "Romnesia"? It's farking funny, and the President worked into his stump speech well. Most Americans have the attention span of a fruit fly, so if something like #Romnesia on Twitter sticks in their heads for more than the time it takes to turn on Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, that's good for Obama.
 
2012-10-19 09:15:31 PM
Have you heard, Romney has gone into labor? Push it out Mitt.
 
2012-10-19 09:15:38 PM

doyner: *Mittpocricy


One more try?
 
2012-10-19 09:23:45 PM

PallMall: Sounds kinda hypocritical, since your Lord and Savior is guilty of the same.

/just sayin'


J.R. "Bob" Dobbs never acted like Mitt Romney.
 
2012-10-19 09:24:03 PM
Is Romnesia next to Kenya?
 
2012-10-19 09:30:40 PM
"If you say you're for equal pay for equal work but you keep refusing to say whether or not you'd sign a bill that protects equal pay for equal work, you might have Romnesia,"

"If you only pay 13% in taxes and you're trying to win the Presidency just so you can pay less than that...you just might be a Romney."

"If all of your sons were named after science fiction sound effects...you just might be a Romney."
 
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