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(Some Guy)   Twitter censors neo-Nazis in Germany. You know who else used to censor people in Germany?   (techweekeurope.co.uk) divider line 95
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2012-10-19 06:11:50 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Who can you never criticise, or go to JAIL?


Mohammed?
 
2012-10-19 06:11:56 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: There's nothing "Neo" about them.
They're Nazis.


Neo means new.
 
2012-10-19 06:14:52 PM

Ashrams: Two Three things that go great together.

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FTFY. Also,

skinink: I don't think Germany has many other restrictions regarding speech, so I'd think it's no big deal to give them leeway on the Hitler issue, probably the main issue they are sensitive about.

 
2012-10-19 06:19:10 PM

Ilmarinen: Ashrams: Two Three things that go great together.

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FTFY. Also,

skinink: I don't think Germany has many other restrictions regarding speech, so I'd think it's no big deal to give them leeway on the Hitler issue, probably the main issue they are sensitive about.



What I'm wondering is, what if a political party says "We are losing our German identity and need to cut back on immigration?" Is that outlawed?
 
2012-10-19 06:19:10 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: What's asinine about this? Being a nazi and espousing nazi ideas are both illegal in Germany. I'm sure you can guess why.


Yeah, and they replaced the goose stepping with the chicken dance... how's that for reform?
 
2012-10-19 06:21:17 PM
I see what you did there...

/Nice try
//10/10 troll
 
2012-10-19 06:24:58 PM
So I guess you won't see this on a billboard.

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2012-10-19 06:37:15 PM
Interesting that one of the two comments was a complete anti-Semitic rant. That's why you can't talk about it. One minute you're chatting about finishing, or chess, or playing chess while fishing and all of a sudden someone else wants to start killing the Jews.

/Oy
 
2012-10-19 06:50:23 PM
Are other hate groups outlawed in Germany? Does Twitter censor the content of those persecuting other holocaust victims, like gays, gypsies, etc.?
 
2012-10-19 06:53:04 PM
That kid who smooshed a spider in my face in 3rd grade?
 
2012-10-19 06:55:45 PM

skinink: Lionel Mandrake: Germany is enforcing a policy in effect since the end of the war?

/didn't see that coming.
//not saying I agree with the policy...

I don't think Germany has many other restrictions regarding speech, so I'd think it's no big deal to give them leeway on the Hitler issue, probably the main issue they are sensitive about.


Anyone who was lucky to survive the Nazi dictatorship is more than likely ok with this.

There's a reason Niemoller never said "They came for the Nazis, but I wasn't a Nazi..."
 
2012-10-19 07:00:43 PM

Ashrams: Two things that go great together.

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We need bacon slipped in there, and we'd have the tripe B's.
 
2012-10-19 07:08:15 PM
tomcatadam
So could you make/form a legitimate national socialist party in Germany?


No.


Can they use Swastikas in articles about Indian religions?


Yes.

Though you aren't protected from idiots going to court anyway and idiot judges.
IIRC the case about using a swastika on some anti-nazi stuff (like a stick figure throwing a swastika into a garbage can or crossing it out and adding something like "no nazis" below it) actually needed an appeal to be declared legal (again).
Then again, that's very different than an article about Indian religions because the usage in the anti-Nazi stuff was clearly politically motivated and clearly referring to the nazis.



I mean, if the law is nicely applied and not used as a heavy hammer to smash down people with other beliefs that happen to slightly overlap something that might even transiently be related to Nazism, then that's fine.


The law is one that allows the banning of organizations (and the usage of their symbols and other propaganda) which have been declared anti-constitutional/anti-democratic.

There are also several exceptions for e.g. educational and artistic usage in that law, i.e. the law takes context into account.
Which would make the above example of an article about Indian religions a complete non-issue (then again, some idiot might go to court anyway, but I'm pretty sure of the verdict).
It's not like German history books aren't full of that stuff or like they aren't used in German movies(*):
just think of all those "Hitler reacts to.." Downfall parodies on youtube. you might have noticed that this subtitle thing mostly works because most people won't understand the original audio, which, like the movie, is German.

Which is why people claiming that this law is a German attempt at hiding the past and quotes about the dangers of repeating the history you don't remember are borderline retarded statements in this context; well, either retarded or the results of failed education paired with willful ignorance. 

----
(*)
However, there seems to be a curious double-standard regarding (computer) games.
I would really like to see some game developer have the balls to go to court over why it's apparently okay to have action movies with swastikas and nazis in uniform (i.e. context is clearly entertainment instead of education), but not games.
I guess pixelating is cheaper than lawyers and risking the potential PR nightmare.
 
2012-10-19 07:11:58 PM
What, are we actually defending Nazis here? Bunch of crazies.

/loving the German babes, though, keep 'em coming
//you all can have the beer, I hate alcohol
 
2012-10-19 07:12:31 PM
The Voice of Doom
I guess pixelating is cheaper than lawyers and risking the potential PR nightmare.


I forgot: plus you would very likely have a lawsuit about the trolltastic minefield of "are computer games art".
 
2012-10-19 07:17:25 PM
Oh you silly americans and your "freedom of speech". Lots of countries have anti-hate-speed laws on the books and they're doing just fine.
 
2012-10-19 07:17:28 PM

Earthen: You're not free to be a Nazi in Germany. That's just the way it is. You're not allowed to display Nazi symbols or name your kids Hitler or Adolf, and you're not gonna get a lot of support for changing that, even if you are repressing what we in the USA would consider to be free speech.

Maybe in another 50 years it will relax but it hasn't been long enough yet to let the Nazi party be just a part of history.


Specifically, the line in the Basic Law (their constitution the US,France, and UK wrote) specifically says your rights are no longer protected when they are used to "attack the democratic order" . National Socialism, as one can imagine, thus is no longer a legal political ideology in German politics.

Germany has persecuted (in the loosest sense of the word) Nazis with significantly less vigor in recently years.
 
2012-10-19 07:19:19 PM

traylor: Because the Germans have a very bad sense of humor?


Because with Germans, a night of methamphetamine fueled lederhosen sex always gets out of hand, that's why. Last thing you remember is Goering whipping your butt with a riding crop before waking up 300 kilometers inside the Soviet Union.
 
2012-10-19 07:30:41 PM
"I twought I heard a pussycat..."
 
2012-10-19 07:49:14 PM
Oh geez. Whatever you do, don't tell Hitler! You know how he gets ...
 
2012-10-19 07:49:57 PM

Franko: Oh you silly americans and your "freedom of speech". Lots of countries have anti-hate-speed laws on the books and they're doing just fine.


Just means they're less free than us ;-)
 
2012-10-19 08:07:12 PM
I was stationed in Germany from 86 to 89. During inprocessing we were told to absolutely never make any nazi-related comments or jokes. They compared it to making bomb jokes in an airport. It simply wasn't tolerated. I just took them at their word and never did.
 
2012-10-19 08:22:20 PM
I appreciate Twitter's respect for law, but wouldn't it be better for "neo-nazis" to post on twitter than on underground racist or neo-nazi boards and such? I mean, at least on Twitter there is a very strong opposing voice. Personally I prefer words and ideas to be out in the open for discussion.
 
2012-10-19 08:35:11 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Who owns the media, the banks, the TV, the film industry, the college campuses? Who can you never criticise, or go to JAIL?


I find it interesting that criticising "international bankers" has long been a thinly-veiled dog-whistle for criticising the Jews. But nowadays lots of folks hate bankers regardless of Jewry.
 
2012-10-19 08:47:47 PM
stitchesndishes.com
 
2012-10-19 08:56:07 PM

kharakov: [stitchesndishes.com image 595x684]


Here's the deal: you all should fess up to me.

Your deception demeans only you.

I find the whole charade tiresome.

You are relegated to gossiper only, while you obfuscate; try speaking truthfully, for a change.

You will garner more respect by respecting than disrespecting.

And you can quote me on that.
 
2012-10-19 09:04:41 PM
I'm against censorship. But I'm also against Nazis. Someone please tell me what to think!
 
2012-10-19 09:12:41 PM

kazikian: I'm against censorship. But I'm also against Nazis. Someone please tell me what to think!


Defascize.

*)
 
2012-10-19 09:23:32 PM

Fark You I'm Drunk: Ashrams: What a German may look like.
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Vectron: Just don't ban Oktoberfest. 

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God I love that country.


This.
 
2012-10-19 09:24:27 PM

IP: The girl in the attic?



This was long before Helen Keller was born, duh.
 
2012-10-19 09:39:12 PM

Ashrams: Ich will einfach nur mein Gesicht in diesen mengen stellen und gehen alle brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr und dann trinken das Bier


Heilige Mutter Gottes!
 
2012-10-19 09:46:09 PM
 
2012-10-19 09:52:22 PM

thunderbird8804: "Bear in mind that every time you violate, or propose to violate the free speech of someone else you in potentia are making a rod for your own back..."


Karma is a biatch?
 
2012-10-19 09:58:40 PM

pion: Ryker's Peninsula: There's nothing "Neo" about them.
They're Nazis.

Neo means new.


So what's new about them?
Has there been any change to their core beliefs, or did they just get new outfits?
 
2012-10-19 10:02:17 PM

thunderbird8804: "Bear in mind that every time you violate, or propose to violate the free speech of someone else you in potentia are making a rod for your own back..."


Sorry, couldn't watch much of that gasbag.
 
2012-10-19 10:04:42 PM

Vectron: thunderbird8804: "Bear in mind that every time you violate, or propose to violate the free speech of someone else you in potentia are making a rod for your own back..."

Sorry, couldn't watch much of that gasbag.


Frack.
 
2012-10-19 10:05:27 PM
They are (a little understandably) sensitive about it. They don't even like to show their flag.
 
2012-10-19 10:12:56 PM
The funniest thing I saw in Berlin was near the Book Burning Memorial, some homeless guy screaming out things about The Fuhrer. The cops came along to try and quiet him down and they gave him a ticket or something. But after the cops left he started right up again.
 
2012-10-19 10:22:15 PM

Vectron: So I guess you won't see this on a billboard.

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Should be HUGO BOSS
 
2012-10-19 11:19:56 PM
Sorry, but I'm not sorry; if there's one faction of humanity that has earned being locked away in a cold dark cell, it's anyone that decides "Nazi" is the correct basis for labeling themselves.

Are you a nazi? Are you a neo-nazi? Then fark you. Be glad that you're not shot in the streets on general principlr.
 
2012-10-19 11:27:34 PM

tb tibbles: skinink: Lionel Mandrake: Germany is enforcing a policy in effect since the end of the war?

/didn't see that coming.
//not saying I agree with the policy...

I don't think Germany has many other restrictions regarding speech, so I'd think it's no big deal to give them leeway on the Hitler issue, probably the main issue they are sensitive about.

Anyone who was lucky to survive the Nazi dictatorship is more than likely ok with this.

There's a reason Niemoller never said "They came for the Nazis, but I wasn't a Nazi..."


Who do you think "They" are?
 
2012-10-20 12:57:59 AM
Aaaaand that's how you get a green light. Subby wins +1 intertubes.

/I've had 9 since May.
//Is that a lot?
 
2012-10-20 02:11:47 AM

AssAsInAssassin: Aaaaand that's how you get a green light. Subby wins +1 intertubes.

/I've had 9 since May.
//Is that a lot?



Depends, how many tickets to Hell are you trying to purchase?
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2012-10-20 05:30:24 AM
Laws like this, while having the best of intentions, often don't help. I know of at least one person who became an avid Holocaust denier precisely because there are laws in place to prevent Holocaust denial. The logic was that the Jewish controlled media and political interests must have made it all all up and made sure that their version of the Holocaust was propagated by banning opposition to it. This guy is also a truther of course, so facts, reason and actual logic don't really come into the equation.....
 
2012-10-20 06:14:25 AM
Stories like this make me wonder why we can't have a clear, undeniable definition as to what should and shouldn't be censored so those who are in the right can say whatever they want without fear of reprisal while at the same time, those who are truly in the wrong can't promote their point of view.
 
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