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2012-10-19 06:00:10 PM  

Diogenes: Rambino: Diogenes: This is the what men who are secure in their sexuality sound like.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.

Bingo.

I am also fairly confident that Mr. Kluwe would not feel the need for a press conference to declare that he is not gay, a butt-chugger, or both.

Did he really pose for Out? If so, that's pretty awesome.

/I would go check the Out website, but alas my employer is not secure in its sexuality...

[cdn01.cdn.justjared.com image 425x586]


Sweet. Thanks.
 
2012-10-19 06:13:16 PM  

gingerjet: Cerebral Knievel: the point is, next of Kin laws mess with gay couples and non married hetero couples all the time. the case I point out is admittedly an extreme one, but an overriding point is that if you've been shacked up with your old lady for some 20 years, any old estranged family member can come in and throw a giant wrench into the works if you don't have that legal protection. straight couples usually, at least, have an option to fix that shiat, but gay couples, usually, do not.

I was executor of the will of a friend of mine more than a few years ago. He and his partner were together some 30 years. When he died his sister came barging in, attempted to take over the funeral planning, demand access to the will, and started (literally) taking things. She threaten to sue and asked when his partner was going to move out. We finally cornered her in a bedroom and explained to her that the house, the property, the cars, etc wasn't in her brothers name and if she continued she would be forcibly removed from the premises. When my friend first came down with cancer the first time he started to quietly transfer all property to his partner - sometimes paying large sums of taxes in the process - so in the end he didn't really own anything of significance. She left in a huff and didn't bother coming to the funeral.

/made executing the will easy
//his partner is still contently living in the house
///many people don't have the luxury of time to get their affairs together


I don't... how can people DO that to other people? Especially family?

Especially when someone has lost someone they care for, deeply, and that wound is still fresh. Why the FARK would people scramble in their and twist the knife, just for material gain?

I can't even concieve of cutting my younger brother out of my life. We don't talk that much (BUSY BUSY), but we don't SHUN each other.

I just...

Argh. Sometimes people confuse the hell out of me.

/I suppose that shows my parents raised me right?
 
2012-10-19 06:28:14 PM  

Diogenes: Rambino: Diogenes: This is the what men who are secure in their sexuality sound like.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.

Bingo.

I am also fairly confident that Mr. Kluwe would not feel the need for a press conference to declare that he is not gay, a butt-chugger, or both.

Did he really pose for Out? If so, that's pretty awesome.

/I would go check the Out website, but alas my employer is not secure in its sexuality...

[cdn01.cdn.justjared.com image 425x586]


WOW I'm glad he's not gay.

He can kick one through my uprights any time.
 
2012-10-19 06:36:59 PM  

Diogenes: Rambino: Diogenes: This is the what men who are secure in their sexuality sound like.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.

Bingo.

I am also fairly confident that Mr. Kluwe would not feel the need for a press conference to declare that he is not gay, a butt-chugger, or both.

Did he really pose for Out? If so, that's pretty awesome.

/I would go check the Out website, but alas my employer is not secure in its sexuality...

[cdn01.cdn.justjared.com image 425x586]


holy carp batman!!!!

*dabs drool*

I've never seen him not in a helmet and football gear.....

I'll.....I'll be back....later......
 
2012-10-19 06:39:16 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: If you can play, you can play

NHL is on-board as are a ton of minor and college hockey teams. Every major and minor league should be on-board with this campaign.

Really...that's what it comes down to. If you can play, then you can play.


Beat me to linking to that. Great message, sad so few will man up and back it. Props to those behind it though

/yes, I said behind
 
2012-10-19 06:44:28 PM  

skepticultist: serial_crusher: I'm going to bring up my standard gripe about the "equal rights" talk being disingenuous. If you really wanted equal rights, you'd have a problem with all unmarried people being denied the benefits that come along with marriage, not just gay couples.

What?

How the hell would that even work? I mean take a sample issue: hospital visitation rights. You're suggesting that unmarried people should get the same visitation rights as spouses?

So...I should be able to visit a complete stranger in the hospital, speak to their doctor, make decisions regarding their care, in the same way their spouse would? That would be "equal rights?"

You're dumb.


CSB: My ex-girlfriend hospitalized herself on a ski trip with me. The hospital wouldn't let me visit her and wouldn't give me any info until her parents got there, like 10 hours later. Yeah, that pretty much sucked.

So, legalized gay marriage is a helpful bandaid for a tiny number of people who find themselves in that position, but if we fixed the root of the problem we could solve it for everybody.
 
2012-10-19 06:52:40 PM  

serial_crusher: skepticultist: serial_crusher: I'm going to bring up my standard gripe about the "equal rights" talk being disingenuous. If you really wanted equal rights, you'd have a problem with all unmarried people being denied the benefits that come along with marriage, not just gay couples.

What?

How the hell would that even work? I mean take a sample issue: hospital visitation rights. You're suggesting that unmarried people should get the same visitation rights as spouses?

So...I should be able to visit a complete stranger in the hospital, speak to their doctor, make decisions regarding their care, in the same way their spouse would? That would be "equal rights?"

You're dumb.

CSB: My ex-girlfriend hospitalized herself on a ski trip with me. The hospital wouldn't let me visit her and wouldn't give me any info until her parents got there, like 10 hours later. Yeah, that pretty much sucked.

So, legalized gay marriage is a helpful bandaid for a tiny number of people who find themselves in that position, but if we fixed the root of the problem we could solve it for everybody.


Huh. When my fiance (then-girlfriend) had a stroke (in her late twenties. While I had brought her *home for thanksgiving break* for the first time, to meet my parents.), the ER doctors let me stay with her.

/She's completely, totally, amazingly fine now. The only thing is she says she "thinks she swallows" differently than she did before the stroke.
//UNC-Chapel Hill Hospital Neurologists, you are like tiny little gods.
 
2012-10-19 06:57:18 PM  

alienated: Dr Dreidel: Reggie White


Speaking of bigots....
 
2012-10-19 07:04:56 PM  
A guy who gets paid to jump on piles of sweaty men is in favor of gay marriage? What a shock.
 
2012-10-19 07:11:16 PM  

MrEricSir: A guy who gets paid to jump on piles of sweaty men is in favor of gay marriage? What a shock.


Clearly you DNRTFA. This guy gets paid to avoid sweaty men at all costs.
 
2012-10-19 07:21:31 PM  

Rambino: MrEricSir: A guy who gets paid to jump on piles of sweaty men is in favor of gay marriage? What a shock.

Clearly you DNRTFA. This guy gets paid to avoid sweaty men at all costs.


Well, unless nobody else can manage to farking tackle the punt return.

And we ARE talking about the Vikes here.
 
2012-10-19 07:39:29 PM  

serial_crusher: CSB: My ex-girlfriend hospitalized herself on a ski trip with me. The hospital wouldn't let me visit her and wouldn't give me any info until her parents got there, like 10 hours later. Yeah, that pretty much sucked.


If only there had been some institution you could have legally entered into that would have obviated that problem. But since it's illegal for people like you, oh, well.
 
2012-10-19 07:49:44 PM  

Theaetetus: serial_crusher: CSB: My ex-girlfriend hospitalized herself on a ski trip with me. The hospital wouldn't let me visit her and wouldn't give me any info until her parents got there, like 10 hours later. Yeah, that pretty much sucked.

If only there had been some institution you could have legally entered into that would have obviated that problem. But since it's illegal for people like you, oh, well.


Seriously. Like ... is the argument there actually "why can't I get the benefits of marriage without having to be married?" Because that seems kind of self-evident to me.

If you want the benefits of marriage, get married. Sorry that being married comes with certain legal and social responsibilities and repercussions, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Lots of same-sex couples would love to take on these responsibilities, but can't in most of this country. Signing legal contracts--even getting a civil union--isn't enough, as many situations have shown (especially regarding visitation rights). Even if these other arrangements should protect their rights, they don't. Suing a hospital after the fact is all well and good, but it doesn't help you any if your partner dies in one that doesn't let you see them. No litigation gives you that back.

The solution is marriage, and nothing less.
 
2012-10-19 07:59:11 PM  

austerity101: Theaetetus: serial_crusher: CSB: My ex-girlfriend hospitalized herself on a ski trip with me. The hospital wouldn't let me visit her and wouldn't give me any info until her parents got there, like 10 hours later. Yeah, that pretty much sucked.

If only there had been some institution you could have legally entered into that would have obviated that problem. But since it's illegal for people like you, oh, well.

Seriously. Like ... is the argument there actually "why can't I get the benefits of marriage without having to be married?" Because that seems kind of self-evident to me.

If you want the benefits of marriage, get married. Sorry that being married comes with certain legal and social responsibilities and repercussions, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too.


Part of the problem is that the people arguing for this are still thinking of marriage as the "sacred holy union" of religion, leading them to think "gosh, I can't marry my girlfriend of 4 years, because I'm just not ready yet! Or the wedding will be so expensive! Or I'm too young to get married! Or I don't know if we'll stay together!"
Marriage is a contract, and can have any reasonable conditions attached to it you want in a pre-nup or even post-nup in some states, and can be just as easily voided as any other contract (or bitterly fought over, just like any other contract). If more people thought of marriage like car insurance, we wouldn't have all these fights about it.
 
2012-10-19 08:05:01 PM  

Theaetetus: austerity101: If you want the benefits of marriage, get married. Sorry that being married comes with certain legal and social responsibilities and repercussions, but you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Part of the problem is that the people arguing for this are still thinking of marriage as the "sacred holy union" of religion, leading them to think "gosh, I can't marry my girlfriend of 4 years, because I'm just not ready yet! Or the wedding will be so expensive! Or I'm too young to get married! Or I don't know if we'll stay together!"
Marriage is a contract, and can have any reasonable conditions attached to it you want in a pre-nup or even post-nup in some states, and can be just as easily voided as any other contract (or bitterly fought over, just like any other contract). If more people thought of marriage like car insurance, we wouldn't have all these fights about it.


Yes, exactly. I put in the bit about "social responsibilities" but you explained it far better than I did. We ascribe a lot of emotional/spiritual/social meaning to marriage, and we don't have to. If you want to buy into the idea that marriage is a onerous sacred institution, fine, but understand that you can't get the benefits until you actually marry someone.

It doesn't have to be a big deal--we just make it one.
 
2012-10-19 08:12:23 PM  
I just can't see where society has a compelling interest in preventing gay marriage.
I cannot get a response from any of the "anti's" on this.
Where is the compelling interest?
And , if there is not one, this being America - should not the default postion be to permit it?
I don't get it.
 
2012-10-19 08:14:54 PM  

austerity101: If you want to buy into the idea that marriage is a onerous sacred institution, fine, but understand that you can't get the benefits until you actually marry someone.


That, plus you need to understand that that idea doesn't actually exist in the law, just your own head, so don't complain that the law is the problem and should be changed. :)
 
2012-10-19 08:19:24 PM  

serial_crusher: My ex-girlfriend hospitalized herself on a ski trip with me. The hospital wouldn't let me visit her and wouldn't give me any info until her parents got there, like 10 hours later. Yeah, that pretty much sucked.

So, legalized gay marriage is a helpful bandaid for a tiny number of people who find themselves in that position, but if we fixed the root of the problem we could solve it for everybody.


So... you want to outlaw skiing?
 
2012-10-19 08:23:15 PM  

Diogenes: This is the what men who are secure in their sexuality sound like.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.


I believe homophobia is the flip side of sexism. A person who believes women should be subservient to men believes that a relationship is based on dominance. From a sexist point of view, two men together means that one of them is being abused (by being forced to act as a woman).
 
2012-10-19 08:23:52 PM  

Diogenes: TheManofPA: How can we be so sure that he hasn't turned into a lustful c**kmonster after the magazine interview?

/love Kluwe's twitter
//gotta learn English

I wasn't going to get dressed up for Halloween this year. Now I want to go as a lustful c**kmonster.


I'll send you a picture of my mom for reference.
 
2012-10-19 08:27:32 PM  

Garble: Diogenes: This is the what men who are secure in their sexuality sound like.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.

I believe homophobia is the flip side of sexism. A person who believes women should be subservient to men believes that a relationship is based on dominance. From a sexist point of view, two men together means that one of them is being abused (by being forced to act as a woman).


It further explains why anti-homosexual slurs focus on the receiver (e.g. cawksucker, taking it up the ass, etc.) as opposed to the giver (no one calls anyone a beej-receiver as an insult); and also explains why they don't mind femme lesbians nearly as much.
 
2012-10-19 08:37:34 PM  
Is it just me or does this quote from the article feel really incredibly dated like something out of an old-timey news story?

"Although he himself is not a homosexual, Kluwe posed for the November cover of Out magazine."
 
2012-10-19 08:59:02 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Who would've thought that the coolest dude in the NFL was a punter?


It's not surprising at all, really.
It's the safest position I think (I don't know sports that well), he won't get brain damage or die at 40.
 
2012-10-19 08:59:37 PM  

rynthetyn: Is it just me or does this quote from the article feel really incredibly dated like something out of an old-timey news story?

"Although he himself is not a homosexual, Kluwe posed for the November cover of Out magazine."


It's certainly very poorly phrased.
 
2012-10-19 09:15:34 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Speaking of bigots....


I did do a sigh after his name- context man. Now, sure, Reggie was a bigot, but, he did open up that team, as I stated, to not just white ( no pun intended ) guys going to Green Bay to play.
Like only Nixon could go to china where asians can turn a watch into a telly, Only Reggie could be the biggest baddest respected player who would help get free agents and draft picks to even think about playing for TitleTeam. I might be wrong, but that is how I saw things at the time, and I still think that way.
Loved him on the field, but off ? not so much. This is a hard point for me to type- i hope that you get the gist. Lesser evil and so forth
 
2012-10-19 09:19:12 PM  
And I know, very well, how reggie hated the queers, but- its just a player in a dumb game that i used to follow more than i do now. I shed few tears when he died. Just to make that clear.I liked him as a football player and recruiter for the team, nothing more.
 
2012-10-19 09:44:16 PM  
BTW folks...

lustful c*ckmonsster....

underthelobsterscope.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-19 09:45:31 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Diogenes: I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor.

Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn


Because guys who you might think of as "homophobic" yet go sign up to watch male porn, are a great indicator of all guys who aren't cool with teh buttsex. Yeah, I could sign up for a study in which I have to watch animals being thrown into combines, but even though I've never seen any such thing, I'll still avoid that shiat at all costs.. now people who secretly enjoy torturing animals on the other hand, they'll probably sign up.
 
2012-10-19 09:52:22 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dusk-You-n-Me: Diogenes: I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor.

Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn

Because guys who you might think of as "homophobic" yet go sign up to watch male porn, are a great indicator of all guys who aren't cool with teh buttsex. Yeah, I could sign up for a study in which I have to watch animals being thrown into combines, but even though I've never seen any such thing, I'll still avoid that shiat at all costs.. now people who secretly enjoy torturing animals on the other hand, they'll probably sign up.


that is a good point, its a selective study at best.
 
2012-10-19 09:55:42 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: BTW folks...

lustful c*ckmonsster....

[underthelobsterscope.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]


I dunno....he looks more "jolly" than "lustful".
 
2012-10-19 10:05:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Cerebral Knievel: BTW folks...

lustful c*ckmonsster....

[underthelobsterscope.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]

I dunno....he looks more "jolly" than "lustful".


maybe that's why he's jolly? ever think about that one?
 
2012-10-19 10:09:20 PM  
alright then, the cuttlefish of Cthulhu...

that's a lustfull C*ckmonster..

fc04.deviantart.net
 
2012-10-19 10:21:52 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-10-19 10:41:00 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Diogenes: I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor.

Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn


To do that test properly, you would need to make sure there isn't a big difference in the amount of gay porn that each group had already viewed. It would be best to test subjects that had not already watched significant amounts of gay porn. I just don't think you can find a statistically significant sample size of homophobic men that fit that criteria.
 
2012-10-19 10:59:21 PM  
kluwe makes me proud to be a minnesotan. seems to just be a real cool guy, and i appreciate his willingness to stand up when so many others don't.
 
2012-10-19 11:02:53 PM  
Hero tag well deserved.
 
2012-10-19 11:04:49 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dusk-You-n-Me: Diogenes: I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor.

Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn

Because guys who you might think of as "homophobic" yet go sign up to watch male porn, are a great indicator of all guys who aren't cool with teh buttsex. Yeah, I could sign up for a study in which I have to watch animals being thrown into combines, but even though I've never seen any such thing, I'll still avoid that shiat at all costs.. now people who secretly enjoy torturing animals on the other hand, they'll probably sign up.

that is a good point, its a selective study at best.


Does anyone have a copy of the full paper (I can just find the abstract)? The recruitment for those studies typically (if done correctly) done so that the people signing up do not know the details of the study, if even the general field. The don't recruit as a "Come watch gay porn", they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study". They then ask all kinds of questions, some of which have no relevance to the study (1: "rate gay sex on 1 to 10, 1 being teh gay, 10 being awesomesauce"..... 2: Rate beer drinking.... 3: Rate art films... etc).

Then, you tell them they'll watch an explicit video (and explain the whole "why we're hooking up stuff to your junk"), but not tell them what the vids are, just that they must watch them to the end).

Now, I can't read the paper, so I don't know if it details the recruitment methodology, on if the authors actually know how to recruit or if they did it poorly and biased their data.
 
2012-10-19 11:22:29 PM  

PhDemented: they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study".


i480.photobucket.com
Look, they may be closeted gays, but they're not farking retarded.
 
2012-10-19 11:30:09 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: PhDemented: they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study".

Look, they may be closeted gays, but they're not farking retarded.

Are you arguing that every sex study in existence is designed to week out closeted gays?
 
2012-10-19 11:31:16 PM  

PhDemented: BraveNewCheneyWorld: PhDemented: they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study".

Look, they may be closeted gays, but they're not farking retarded.
Are you arguing that every sex study in existence is designed to week weed out closeted gays?

 
2012-10-19 11:33:31 PM  

PhDemented: PhDemented: BraveNewCheneyWorld: PhDemented: they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study".

Look, they may be closeted gays, but they're not farking retarded.
Are you arguing that every sex study in existence is designed to week weed out closeted gays?


Yeah, most psychological studies are so obsfucated by bullshiat by design that it was probably billed as a "visual attentiveness" study or something.
 
2012-10-19 11:56:31 PM  

PhDemented: PhDemented: BraveNewCheneyWorld: PhDemented: they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study".

Look, they may be closeted gays, but they're not farking retarded.
Are you arguing that every sex study in existence is designed to week weed out closeted gays?


Well, mother of god, I HOPE so.
 
2012-10-20 12:16:37 AM  

PonceAlyosha: PhDemented: PhDemented: BraveNewCheneyWorld: PhDemented: they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study".

Look, they may be closeted gays, but they're not farking retarded.
Are you arguing that every sex study in existence is designed to week weed out closeted gays?

Yeah, most psychological studies are so obsfucated by bullshiat by design that it was probably billed as a "visual attentiveness" study or something.


"Now, we're measuring your visual acuity and concentration. Please focus on the hole in the wall in front of you... closer... closer... closer... Feel free to open your mouth slightly if it helps you concentrate..."
 
2012-10-20 12:17:44 AM  
The Electoral College Results contest is now on the "Today's racist teahadist doing something horrible to an Obama campaign office comes to us via the city of Conifer, Colorado" thread. 34 entries so far. Two months of Total Fark as prize! Come on and pick your winning numbers!
 
2012-10-20 12:41:04 AM  
Honk bag if you thought this thread was going to be about Romney's lame attempt at scoring political points by mentioning that he actually hires women.
 
2012-10-20 07:04:46 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: BTW folks...

lustful c*ckmonsster....

[underthelobsterscope.files.wordpress.com image 350x350]


Ah a fellow player of Flexible Survival, well played.
 
2012-10-20 11:00:34 AM  
A better question would be "Why do people get persecuted for doing or saying the right thing?" I say that because as far as I'm concerned, all that people getting persecuted for doing or saying the right thing does is to demotivate others from doing the right thing.
 
2012-10-20 11:43:49 AM  

Gyrfalcon: PhDemented: PhDemented: BraveNewCheneyWorld: PhDemented: they recruit as "Come participate in a sex study".

Look, they may be closeted gays, but they're not farking retarded.
Are you arguing that every sex study in existence is designed to week weed out closeted gays?

Well, mother of god, I HOPE so.


Well, we all HOPE we get to watch gay porn when we sign up for any study

/don't we
//don't we?
 
2012-10-20 01:31:09 PM  

Diogenes: This is the what men who are secure in their sexuality sound like.

I don't subscribe to the idea that all men who hate gays are secretly gay themselves, though I think that's sometimes a factor. But I do think that men who are secure in their sexuality really don't give a shiat about the sexuality of others.


THIS.

I used to hang out at a gay bar because it was 3 blocks from my home, comfy, had a split adult classy section and jukebox/pool section, and was the only damn place in town that could make a decent Irish Coffee or Old Fashioned. Plus locally owned and the owners did a lot for local charities, lgbt focused and others. And had free safe sex stuff at the front door that helped many of my straight and gay broke friends get laid safely.

Sometimes I got hit on, politely demurred, and bought them a drink. Same as my other favorite bar (BF lived 2 hours away for awhile)... well, I just bought the ladies drinks cause I was on their turf.

So coworkers and I decide to get drinks. 5 of us, I suggest gay bar. 2 folks who had been there with me agree immediately. 1 guy agrees after being reassured that it's not a club atmosphere.

Last guy - apparently straight, hardcore liberal - flipped the f--k out and refused to go, sputtering some nonsense as we all just gave each other WTF stares.

We all had suspicions before that but oh did that clinch it.

If you're so damn insecure you can't say thanks but no thanks *if* someone hits on you holy crap. Take out that goddamn plank in your eye already.
 
2012-10-20 01:38:33 PM  

gingerjet: Cerebral Knievel: the point is, next of Kin laws mess with gay couples and non married hetero couples all the time. the case I point out is admittedly an extreme one, but an overriding point is that if you've been shacked up with your old lady for some 20 years, any old estranged family member can come in and throw a giant wrench into the works if you don't have that legal protection. straight couples usually, at least, have an option to fix that shiat, but gay couples, usually, do not.

I was executor of the will of a friend of mine more than a few years ago. He and his partner were together some 30 years. When he died his sister came barging in, attempted to take over the funeral planning, demand access to the will, and started (literally) taking things. She threaten to sue and asked when his partner was going to move out. We finally cornered her in a bedroom and explained to her that the house, the property, the cars, etc wasn't in her brothers name and if she continued she would be forcibly removed from the premises. When my friend first came down with cancer the first time he started to quietly transfer all property to his partner - sometimes paying large sums of taxes in the process - so in the end he didn't really own anything of significance. She left in a huff and didn't bother coming to the funeral.

/made executing the will easy
//his partner is still contently living in the house
///many people don't have the luxury of time to get their affairs together


You're a good friend.

And my friends moved out of state and got properly married in Canada because they feared that exact worst case scenario from one's immediate family. Effing sucked, don't blame them, but they talk about a brain drain in my state and every single goddamn gay friend I had in college has moved out. Our defense of marriage crap wasn't always the only reason but it was always a big one.
 
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