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(WTOP)   Recent Gallup poll demonstrates that not only politicians but 3.4% of women and 8.3% of men lied to the Kinsey Institute   (wtop.com) divider line 80
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2012-10-19 10:44:37 AM  
They forgot to mention 100% of all noobs on XBox Live
 
2012-10-19 10:48:54 AM  
Subby fails hard at reading.

3.4% - national percentage of LGBT persons
8.3% - percentage of 18-29 year old women who identified as LGBT
 
2012-10-19 11:02:27 AM  
Kinsey focused on sexual behavior--it was right there in the name of the report and he got his 10% figure from that. Gallup focuses on self-reported status, which is all you can get in a poll. It's not like there were very many self-proclaimed homos in the 40s and 50s. A few, but not many. 3.4% sounds about right.
 
2012-10-19 11:14:14 AM  
That infinitesimal percentage sure gets around, then. I mean, how many people these days don't know someone that they know is gay?
 
2012-10-19 11:35:14 AM  
There's some juvenile joke in this story about gays and "poll takers", but I don't think I'd feel good about making it.

Lumpmoose: Kinsey focused on sexual behavior--it was right there in the name of the report and he got his 10% figure from that. Gallup focuses on self-reported status, which is all you can get in a poll


For men, I wonder how many of those surveyed thought "oh sure I like to suck the occasional cock, but it's not like I'm GAY or anything..."
 
2012-10-19 01:23:53 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: For men, I wonder how many of those surveyed thought "oh sure I like to suck the occasional cock, but it's not like I'm GAY or anything..."


Did they poll GOP politicians?
 
2012-10-19 01:24:23 PM  
Why would pollsters be talking to politicians?
 
2012-10-19 01:24:24 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: There's some juvenile joke in this story about gays and "poll takers", but I don't think I'd feel good about making it.


It'll feel better after the first time.
 
2012-10-19 01:25:15 PM  
My mom told me if I wanted to be a lesbian I would have to learn how to eat box
 
2012-10-19 01:27:02 PM  
That's not much of a surprise. Other countries that don't discriminate on LGBT matters have similar percentages. It was just not safe to come out before, and a lot of people were repressing for fear of social or economical reasons. It took me 30+ years to finally realize that I'm the T part in LGBT and I'm still dealing with the fallout a year later. I'm about to lose my job, marriage, and kids, so coming out has been the best/worst part of my life. I have no idea what'll happen to me next. I'm just glad society is slowly becoming more aware and tolerant.
 
2012-10-19 01:28:58 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: For men, I wonder how many of those surveyed thought "oh sure I like to suck the occasional cock, but it's not like I'm GAY or anything..."


Seriously, Kinsey talked a lot about trades - people that got sucked off by men while fantasizing about women because it was much more readily available. If you were lonely and wanted a quick BJ, you either had to get it from a guy or shell out some cash. That's probably changed some with Craigslist et al., but I'm guessing not completely.
 
2012-10-19 01:29:36 PM  
The sample got skewed by LUGs and BUGs
 
2012-10-19 01:29:44 PM  

markfara: That infinitesimal percentage sure gets around, then. I mean, how many people these days don't know someone that they know is gay?


I don't think I know any gays personally, but there's a few people that classify as "other".
 
2012-10-19 01:31:40 PM  
I have to admit, that's a lower percentage than I was expecting. I am close friends or family with...let's see...three out LGBT people (and who knows how many still in the closet), and of course know of more through those people and have former friends who are gay but no longer close friends (grew apart, etc).

That's certainly more than 3.4% of all the people I'm close friends or family with (I wouldn't say I have 90 people that I'm really close to).

I suppose there's a clustering effect - if you know one, you're more likely to know two, etc.
 
2012-10-19 01:38:47 PM  

monoski: My mom told me if I wanted to be a lesbian I would have to learn how to eat box carpet


FTFY

imageshack.us
 
2012-10-19 01:39:11 PM  
One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

Maybe this is just fantasizing, but I wonder how much of this is due to college girls who are now experimenting and will eventually settle back as heterosexual. This would also explain the higher numbers for people who only have high school degrees, because they're not done with college yet. It would be interesting to contact the same group in 10 years and see how the numbers have changed. It would also be informative if they broke down the percentages by letter.
 
2012-10-19 01:40:23 PM  
Think I'll trust a scientific researcher over a telephone poll.
 
2012-10-19 01:41:08 PM  

oren0: One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

Maybe this is just fantasizing, but I wonder how much of this is due to college girls who are now experimenting and will eventually settle back as heterosexual. This would also explain the higher numbers for people who only have high school degrees, because they're not done with college yet. It would be interesting to contact the same group in 10 years and see how the numbers have changed. It would also be informative if they broke down the percentages by letter.


It would also be informative if there were pictures...

/just sayin'
 
2012-10-19 01:42:04 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I have to admit, that's a lower percentage than I was expecting. I am close friends or family with...let's see...three out LGBT people (and who knows how many still in the closet), and of course know of more through those people and have former friends who are gay but no longer close friends (grew apart, etc).

That's certainly more than 3.4% of all the people I'm close friends or family with (I wouldn't say I have 90 people that I'm really close to).

I suppose there's a clustering effect - if you know one, you're more likely to know two, etc.



Well, looking at this line:

One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

That would imply more and more people are gay, which is doubtful. It seems clear that the social taboo of identifying that way diminishes, then more people are willing to say what they really are. I'd bet the figure for men is closer to reality than the "overall" number which includes a lot of older people who have repressed themselves their entire lives.

The figure for young women, while certainly hot, is probably juiced by LUGs and the "cool" status of bisexuality for women. I bet the actual percentage is about 5% for either gender.
 
2012-10-19 01:42:48 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: tallguywithglasseson: For men, I wonder how many of those surveyed thought "oh sure I like to suck the occasional cock, but it's not like I'm GAY or anything..."

Seriously, Kinsey talked a lot about trades - people that got sucked off by men while fantasizing about women because it was much more readily available. If you were lonely and wanted a quick BJ, you either had to get it from a guy or shell out some cash. That's probably changed some with Craigslist et al., but I'm guessing not completely.


What about sucking my own? What does that make me?


/just kidding. I'm so homophobic I don't even jerk off. I won't touch ANY cock. Wife whips it out when I piss.
 
2012-10-19 01:45:01 PM  
...or, I guess I should say the overall number EXcludes a lot of life-long repressives. And even among the 18-to-29 figure there are a lot who haven't "come out to themselves" so therefore 4.6% should be rounded up to 5%
 
2012-10-19 01:47:59 PM  

oren0: One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

Maybe this is just fantasizing, but I wonder how much of this is due to college girls who are now experimenting and will eventually settle back as heterosexual. This would also explain the higher numbers for people who only have high school degrees, because they're not done with college yet. It would be interesting to contact the same group in 10 years and see how the numbers have changed. It would also be informative if they broke down the percentages by letter.


Someone should conduct and in-depth observation of these college girls and their experimentation. I volunteer for the cause.
 
2012-10-19 01:52:57 PM  
i.imgur.com


/i really does
 
2012-10-19 01:53:20 PM  
Headline: 3.4 percent of US adults are LGBT
Article: 3.4 percent of American adults identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

Big difference there.
 
2012-10-19 01:58:53 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: That's not much of a surprise. Other countries that don't discriminate on LGBT matters have similar percentages. It was just not safe to come out before, and a lot of people were repressing for fear of social or economical reasons. It took me 30+ years to finally realize that I'm the T part in LGBT and I'm still dealing with the fallout a year later. I'm about to lose my job, marriage, and kids, so coming out has been the best/worst part of my life. I have no idea what'll happen to me next. I'm just glad society is slowly becoming more aware and tolerant.


I hope things get better for you. Stay strong and if you ever need to talk, let me know. I'm not trans, but I've known a fair share and been a virtual ear of support. It's a hard road, but you're not alone.
 
2012-10-19 02:03:57 PM  

oren0: One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

Maybe this is just fantasizing, but I wonder how much of this is due to college girls who are now experimenting and will eventually settle back as heterosexual. This would also explain the higher numbers for people who only have high school degrees, because they're not done with college yet. It would be interesting to contact the same group in 10 years and see how the numbers have changed. It would also be informative if they broke down the percentages by letter.


It's a little-known fact that this phenomenon is the original source of the phrase, "the old college try."
 
2012-10-19 02:07:47 PM  
I consider myself very open-minded, but I have my doubts about 3.5% of the population being LGBT. Even when I'm doing yoga every day, I don't think I ever get flexible enough to be more than three of those at once.
 
2012-10-19 02:09:53 PM  

oren0: One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

Maybe this is just fantasizing, but I wonder how much of this is due to college girls who are now experimenting and will eventually settle back as heterosexual. This would also explain the higher numbers for people who only have high school degrees, because they're not done with college yet. It would be interesting to contact the same group in 10 years and see how the numbers have changed. It would also be informative if they broke down the percentages by letter.


It would also be helpful if anyone using these stats had to actually read the report and take at least a high school level statitistics class....

We'd have far fewer "10% of the population is gay....no it's not..... yes it is......" arguments.
 
2012-10-19 02:10:53 PM  
Dee: "Hold on a second, Frank. I think I know what's going on here. This man has been realigned. He's a 'yestergay'."
Frank: "What's a 'yestergay'?"
Dee: "A lot of gay men bounce around from label to label never finding their proper gay home. My hunch is that this gentleman has gone from a twink to a twunk to a twank."
Frank: "What's a twunk?"
Dee: "Twink and a hunk. A Twink with muscles but still hairless."
Frank: "So smooth."
Dee: "Oh, incredibly smooth. A twank on the other hand, that's no good. That's a twink and a skank. Essentially a rag doll that's been tossed around from twink to twunk to bear to otter."
Frank: "Wait, wait, wait a minute. What's an otter?"
Dee: "Subsection of bear. Still hairy but whereas a bear generates his power through sheer mass alone, the otter generates his power through extraordinary quickness, cunning, and skill."
 
2012-10-19 02:13:18 PM  

markfara: That infinitesimal percentage sure gets around, then. I mean, how many people these days don't know someone that they know is gay?


If you pick anything (that's geographically distributed) that over 3% of Americans are/do, most Americans probably know one. 3% isn't that rare, and people know a lot of other people.
 
2012-10-19 02:17:39 PM  
In contrast to some previous, smaller studies, the Gallup survey found that identification as LGBT is highest among Americans with the lowest levels of education. Among those with a high school education or less, 3.5 percent identify as LGBT, compared with 2.8 percent of those with a college degree and 3.2 percent of those with postgraduate education.

Those hicks from Deliverance approve.
 
2012-10-19 02:17:58 PM  
Thanks, subby, very interesting. FTA:

Regarding family status, 20 percent of LGBT individuals said they are married and an additional 18 percent are living with a partner; they weren't asked about the gender of those spouses and partners. Among non-LGBT Americans, 54 percent are married and 4 percent are living with a partner, the report said.

Too bad, would have been interesting to know.
 
2012-10-19 02:19:39 PM  

GAT_00: Subby fails hard at reading.

3.4% - national percentage of LGBT persons
8.3% - percentage of 18-29 year old women who identified as LGBT


dumbshiat didn't read the Kinsey report now did he?
 
2012-10-19 02:20:01 PM  

oren0: One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

Maybe this is just fantasizing, but I wonder how much of this is due to college girls who are now experimenting and will eventually settle back as heterosexual. This would also explain the higher numbers for people who only have high school degrees, because they're not done with college yet. It would be interesting to contact the same group in 10 years and see how the numbers have changed. It would also be informative if they broke down the percentages by letter.


I was thinking the same thing. I'd be very interested to see this study repeated over the next 50 years or so and see whether that hump (nyuk nyuk) spreads out a bit or stays around the same. Indicating if people are experimenting or exploring in that age range or if it's simply that those in that age bracket are more likely to be accepting of their sexuality because of the time frame they grew up in.
 
2012-10-19 02:21:36 PM  

keypusher: Thanks, subby, very interesting. FTA:

Regarding family status, 20 percent of LGBT individuals said they are married and an additional 18 percent are living with a partner; they weren't asked about the gender of those spouses and partners. Among non-LGBT Americans, 54 percent are married and 4 percent are living with a partner, the report said.

Too bad, would have been interesting to know.


Yeah. I'm curious how many lavendar marriages there are in the US. Of course, a bi person married to someone of either gender isn't a lavendar marriage, nor is someone married to a transgendered person who is now the opposite sex. That would be an interesting statistic to know as well.
 
2012-10-19 02:28:33 PM  
11.6%men kinsey-3.3% Gallup = what reading genius?
7% women kinsey-3.6% Gallup = what reading genius?
The 00 is probably related to his 3rd grade written word math problem score.
You should try not to insult people until you've read ALL the material mentioned.
 
2012-10-19 02:32:30 PM  
Why the hell do they persist in lumping in transgender with LGB? They are completely different things. It's like having a category for black, asian and blind people.
 
2012-10-19 02:35:16 PM  

Julie Cochrane: I consider myself very open-minded, but I have my doubts about 3.5% of the population being LGBT. Even when I'm doing yoga every day, I don't think I ever get flexible enough to be more than three of those at once.


I can only manage to be 2 at once. Maybe I should take up yoga. It gets very confusing when you identify as the T though. If I ID as male and am dating a woman, but haven't started transitioning, am I also lesbian, or am I a straight man? Labels can be difficult.

/Actually I am only going to use 1 letter today though. The other three can wait for my exercise program.
 
2012-10-19 02:40:08 PM  
Sure, believe this poll but not the Gallup polls saying Romney is kicking the crap out of Obama.
 
2012-10-19 02:55:08 PM  

orbister: Why the hell do they persist in lumping in transgender with LGB? They are completely different things. It's like having a category for black, asian and blind people.


Probably because they are measuring in addition to the spectrum of sexual attraction another dimension of gender identity/presentation that might tend to be more distant from "normal" (whatever that means) the further you are from "normal" (again) on the sexual attraction spectrum. "Attracted to X, Presents as Y" being the dimensions measured here.

I concur they are not necessarily the same types of things, but I don't agree that they are completely different depending on what is being measured.
 
2012-10-19 03:01:13 PM  

orbister: Why the hell do they persist in lumping in transgender with LGB? They are completely different things. It's like having a category for black, asian and blind people.


Because if I transition from male to female, my wife would then be in a lesbian relationship, so they're kind of interrelated. Where else would you have us segregated to if not the LGB community? There are also gender queer people, meaning they prefer to express as neither gender or ambiguous. They are starting to be included as well, making it LGBTQ. Sorry if that doesn't jive with what you think make someone a bonafide gay or lesbian. Try waking up in the wrong gender every day, living with constant depression and suicidal thoughts, knowing that you will never fit in to society and that you life is pretty much worthless. When that happens, you'll be glad to be included into whatever group will take you.
 
2012-10-19 03:05:18 PM  

markfara: That infinitesimal percentage sure gets around, then. I mean, how many people these days don't know someone that they know is gay?


Well, 3.4% is one in 30.
I'd say most people know at least 30 other people well enough to know their orientation.
 
2012-10-19 03:07:02 PM  

orbister: Why the hell do they persist in lumping in transgender with LGB? They are completely different things. It's like having a category for black, asian and blind people.


Good point.

LGBTB. We need to add blind on the end.
 
2012-10-19 03:08:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: For men, I wonder how many of those surveyed thought "oh sure I like to suck the occasional cock, but it's not like I'm GAY or anything..."


i.ytimg.com

Wanted for questioning.
 
2012-10-19 03:10:17 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: There's some juvenile joke in this story about gays and "poll takers", but I don't think I'd feel good about making it.

Lumpmoose: Kinsey focused on sexual behavior--it was right there in the name of the report and he got his 10% figure from that. Gallup focuses on self-reported status, which is all you can get in a poll

For men, I wonder how many of those surveyed thought "oh sure I like to suck the occasional cock, but it's not like I'm GAY or anything..."


well I mean in their defense trannies don't count.
Nor do the guys they blow in a bathroom somewhere.
Only relationships count so they are straight family men.
 
2012-10-19 03:10:21 PM  

gul_jay: [i.imgur.com image 349x480]

/i really does


Please tell me that guy was being ironic.
 
2012-10-19 03:12:28 PM  

Christian Bale: Lord Dimwit: I have to admit, that's a lower percentage than I was expecting. I am close friends or family with...let's see...three out LGBT people (and who knows how many still in the closet), and of course know of more through those people and have former friends who are gay but no longer close friends (grew apart, etc).

That's certainly more than 3.4% of all the people I'm close friends or family with (I wouldn't say I have 90 people that I'm really close to).

I suppose there's a clustering effect - if you know one, you're more likely to know two, etc.


Well, looking at this line:

One striking difference: among 18-to-29-year-olds, 8.3 percent of women identify as LGBT, compared with 4.6 percent of men the same age.

That would imply more and more people are gay, which is doubtful. It seems clear that the social taboo of identifying that way diminishes, then more people are willing to say what they really are. I'd bet the figure for men is closer to reality than the "overall" number which includes a lot of older people who have repressed themselves their entire lives.

The figure for young women, while certainly hot, is probably juiced by LUGs and the "cool" status of bisexuality for women. I bet the actual percentage is about 5% for either gender.


Having known several "LUGs" and women who dated them, I don't think it has to do with cool status. Knowing the remained-lesbian of the two (or some cases when one or both fell out of it), they had complained that it was like dating a 14-year-old, emotionally speaking. Their idea of "romance" was akin to a sleepover party and giggling over celebrity/fictional character crushes (often still of boys). In other words, it was less experimentation, and more someone in the "I like girls because all non-fictional boys still have cooties" phase.

So this may not be the norm, but I've known a few times where that was really just a symptom of emotional immaturity/extended adolescence. Sort of the flip side of the manchild not having any women friends, and both seem really common in geeky/fandom circles. Might not help given the average maturity of the guys in those circles either.
 
2012-10-19 03:13:42 PM  

orbister: Why the hell do they persist in lumping in transgender with LGB? They are completely different things. It's like having a category for black, asian and blind people.


Because socially and politically their interests are aligned.
 
2012-10-19 03:43:14 PM  
Why is there such an urgent need to know how many gays there are? Are they fixing to hit the government up for some money or something? 
Whatever the flying fark they are up to, this will NOT end well.
 
2012-10-19 03:44:11 PM  
Do I have to listen to the Indiglo girls?

Back when I was in broadcasting, I was a member of the Baltimore Broadcasters Coalition. This was a group that got together once a month and we'd invite in "community leaders" so that they could explain what they thought the needs of the community were (back then at renewal time you had to show you operated your station in the public interest). Our end (the farthest from the speaker) of the conference table was a pretty raunchy bunch. We had a guy from the gay caucus or some such in and he made a statement that 1 in 10 people show some homosexual tendency. At this point Niles Seaberg, manager from the WLIF beautiful music station reaches over and puts his hand on the thigh of the guy from the local rock station sitting next to him. This wasn't lost on me and Mary Clayburn from WWIN who were doing all we could do to avoid breaking out in hysterical laughter.
 
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