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2012-10-19 08:43:40 AM  
"Y'all ain't helpin'!"

*SPIT*
*TING*
 
2012-10-19 08:47:41 AM  
Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.
 
2012-10-19 09:00:46 AM  
As a fly fishing outdoors kind of guy I can say that both sides are bad but the GOP is worse.
 
2012-10-19 09:03:04 AM  

hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.


I'm a gunsmith. With a brain. I'll vote for Hitler himself before I ever vote for the most effective anti-gun politician active in politics today. In other words, I'm voting Obama.
 
2012-10-19 09:03:19 AM  

hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.


What's that? Guns maybe? These are the morons that will vote for the guy that actually instituted gun bans, thinks automatic weapons are illegal?
 
2012-10-19 09:09:49 AM  

dr_blasto: hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.

What's that? Guns maybe? These are the morons that will vote for the guy that actually instituted gun bans, thinks automatic weapons are illegal?


Relax, I was calling 37 million Americans not anti-gun but racists.
 
2012-10-19 09:23:51 AM  
I'm a fly fisher and outdoorsman, so this matters to me. While they've always gone in the right direction, I do wish this administration had been more aggressive on environmental issues.

So, let me see if I have this straight:

Because the one guy hasn't done enough to help save the environment, I should vote for the other guy whose party want to totally assrape the planet for profit.

Got it.
 
2012-10-19 09:25:35 AM  

hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.


I'll guess... Abstinence-only?
 
2012-10-19 09:32:00 AM  
I can see this thread is going to require some heat protection...

1. Obama has done more to promote growth in the American firearms industry since well...FDR (and that was during World War II) simply by being himself.

2. Romney has in the past supported some anti-firearms measures while governor of Massachusetts. However, given that the NRA now supports him, I think you can guess what his stand is now.

3. We need to spend more on studying climate change. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives disrupted are at stake.

4. "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" includes a reasonably broad spectrum of political beliefs and a substantial voter block if made angry. Even Bill Clinton felt the need to bend to them even as he essentially tried to outlaw gunshows and most semiautomatic firearms. Of course as a group they'd be opposed to climate change, it has the potential to screw with migration routes and make favorite fishing spots go away.

Enjoy your flame fest (?).
 
2012-10-19 09:44:04 AM  
The irony is, Teddy Roosevelt would have sided against these companies that rip up the environment. There's actual examples of him doing it. Roosevelt wanted conservation -- it made better habitat and more things to go out and shoot.

Dumbass modern Republicans 100 yrs later would not support one of their own greatest. I have a feeling a modern Teddy Roosevelt as "Trustbuster" would be real fun trying to get along with the Koch brothers.

Or that asswitted little sh*t they have running for VP now.
 
2012-10-19 09:44:48 AM  

iq_in_binary: hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.

I'm a gunsmith. With a brain. I'll vote for Hitler himself before I ever vote for the most effective anti-gun politician active in politics today. In other words, I'm voting Obama.


No, you don't have a brain. Most effective anti-gun politician? Romney? Are you serious? Romney signed a *LOOSENING* of Massachusetts assault weapons ban, that was originally enacted before his term as governor. Some highlights from the Gun Owners Action League, the premier gun rights group in Massachusetts:

Legislation: During the Romney Administration, no anti-Second Amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made its way to the Governor's desk.

Governor Romney did sign five pro-Second Amendment/pro-sportsmen bills into law. His administration also worked with Gun Owners' Action League and the Democratic leadership of the Massachusetts House and Senate to remove any anti-Second Amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006. A summary of this legislation follows.
...
Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004: An Act Further Regulating Certain Weapons

This is a perfect example of don't believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the "assault weapon" ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members. The following is what the bill actually did:

1. Established the Firearm License Review Board (FLRB). The 1998 law created new criteria for disqualifying citizens for firearms licenses that included any misdemeanor punishable by more than two years even if no jail time was ever served.

For instance, a first conviction of operating a motor vehicle under the influence would result in the loss of your ability to own a handgun for life and long guns for a minimum of five years. This Board is now able to review cases under limited circumstances to restore licenses to individuals who meet certain criteria.

2. Mandated that a minimum of $50,000 of the licensing fees be used for the operation of the FLRB so that the Board would not cease operating under budget cuts.

3. Extended the term of the state's firearm licenses from 4 years to 6 years.

4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.

5. Re-instated a 90 day grace period for citizens who were trying to renew their firearm license. Over the past years, the government agencies in charge had fallen months behind in renewing licenses. At one point it was taking upwards of a year to renew a license. Under Massachusetts law, a citizen cannot have a firearm or ammunition in their home with an expired license.

6. Mandated that law enforcement must issue a receipt for firearms that are confiscated due to an expired license. Prior to this law, no receipts were given for property confiscated which led to accusations of stolen or lost firearms after they were confiscated by police.

7. Gave free license renewal for law enforcement officers who applied through their employing agency.

8. Changed the size and style of a firearm license to that of a driver's license so that it would fit in a normal wallet. The original license was 3" x 4".

9. Created stiffer penalties for armed home invaders.
 

In other words, Romney signed into law restrictions on how the state of Massachusetts could enforce the already existing state assault weapons ban by making the federal exemptions to the law for certain kinds of guns apply to the state law.
 
2012-10-19 09:45:43 AM  

hdhale: 2. Romney has in the past supported some anti-firearms measures while governor of Massachusetts.


No, he didn't. See my post above. What you think you know is actually provably wrong.
 
2012-10-19 09:47:39 AM  

Generation_D: The irony is, Teddy Roosevelt would have sided against these companies that rip up the environment. There's actual examples of him doing it. Roosevelt wanted conservation -- it made better habitat and more things to go out and shoot.


This is why we should support sport hunters.

And you are wrong about Republicans, btw. I'd bet if you polled organizations like Ducks Unlimited and the like, there would be more Republican members than Democrat members, and it's organizations like that who spend millions of dollars every year for habitat preservation.
 
2012-10-19 09:48:11 AM  

iq_in_binary: hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.

I'm a gunsmith. With a brain. I'll vote for Hitler himself before I ever vote for the most effective anti-gun politician active in politics today. In other words, I'm voting Obama.


so, you're saying, Obama it Hitler?
 
2012-10-19 09:48:52 AM  

dr_blasto: hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.

What's that? Guns maybe? These are the morons that will vote for the guy that actually instituted gun bans, thinks automatic weapons are illegal?


Who did that? Not Romney. See my post above.
 
2012-10-19 09:54:32 AM  
What does the 2nd amendment have to do with fishing? Unless you're one of those guys who just throws dynamite in the lake and scoops up the resulting dead fish.
 
2012-10-19 09:59:33 AM  

serial_crusher: What does the 2nd amendment have to do with fishing?


Sometimes, in self defense, you have to shoot very angry bass.
 
2012-10-19 10:20:54 AM  

MrBallou: I'm a fly fisher and outdoorsman, so this matters to me. While they've always gone in the right direction, I do wish this administration had been more aggressive on environmental issues.

So, let me see if I have this straight:

Because the one guy hasn't done enough to help save the environment, I should vote for the other guy whose party want to totally assrape the planet for profit.


Speaking of assraping the planet for profit, what of the state and local wildlife officials who don't care how many deer overbreed and chew the hell out of the forest to the point where the whole forest ecosystem's farked, long as the hunting license revenues are coming in?

If it's licensing revenue the state's worried about, let them sell licenses for market hunting - that way there's actual help for the environment, the state gets their piece of the action, the deer wind up on somebody's plate instead of starving in February, and then I could order some yummy venison at one of my local restaurants that actually is local and not farmed in New Zealand.

But that would risk the wrath of the b-b-b-b-b-but-you're-killing-Bambi voters who know about as much about deer overpopulation as I do about string theory.
 
2012-10-19 10:28:50 AM  

dittybopper: Generation_D: The irony is, Teddy Roosevelt would have sided against these companies that rip up the environment. There's actual examples of him doing it. Roosevelt wanted conservation -- it made better habitat and more things to go out and shoot.

This is why we should support sport hunters.

And you are wrong about Republicans, btw. I'd bet if you polled organizations like Ducks Unlimited and the like, there would be more Republican members than Democrat members, and it's organizations like that who spend millions of dollars every year for habitat preservation.



You certainly would. But you would also find a great many Republicans (who are not a part of those organizations) don't believe organizations like Ducks Unlimited and GCCA to be *conservation* organizations that often work hand in hand with environmental groups. Most DU and GCCA members I meet and know are relatively level-headed, moderate, and almost always *not* trophy hunters. Their attitude is, generally, that they will vote Republican even under the threat of losing pristine public (and private) land to "whatever" but will challenge suggested land-raping in the courts and/or legislature.

For every conscientious hunter who enjoys the outdoors and desires to preserve habitats and the environment, you have 100 "hunters" who like to go out and get a limit of guaranteed kills and tear-ass an ATV 100 yards to their climate controlled deer stand that is sitting off a year-round feeder on land surrounded by a high-fence so they can shoot what amounts to a trained pet. And those people typically don't give two shiats about any kind of conservation....at least here in Texas.

So, to modify your statement, we should support any hunter who actually *hunts* because chances are, they care about maintaining good habitats and land preservation and will look at environmental threats somewhat objectively, politics be damned.
 
2012-10-19 10:57:15 AM  
We can't pointlessly kill shiat if we let the environment do it for us.
 
2012-10-19 11:12:53 AM  

GAT_00: We can't pointlessly kill shiat if we let the environment do it for us.


Actually, most of the deer hunters I know in Texas use the deer for food. That's why they don't normally leave the carcass lying there, but bring it back to get butchered and eat the useful parts. I don't like the taste of venison, but many people do.
 
2012-10-19 11:14:48 AM  
Sorry, outdoosmen. The conservatives don't believe in conservation.
 
2012-10-19 11:15:41 AM  
Political beliefs can't be categorized into just one of two folders in a file cabinet. Good for these guys.

I'm a liberal, but I take a lot of flak from my supposedly like-minded friends for being anti-Affirmative Action. It seriously screws with their heads that I could possibly agree with a right wing position (even if the REASON for said position is highly questionable in the case of some people).
 
2012-10-19 11:17:36 AM  

dittybopper: dr_blasto: hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.

What's that? Guns maybe? These are the morons that will vote for the guy that actually instituted gun bans, thinks automatic weapons are illegal?

Who did that? Not Romney. See my post above.


An ammo sales site might not be entirely trustworthy on this issue.
 
2012-10-19 11:17:42 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: serial_crusher: What does the 2nd amendment have to do with fishing?

Sometimes, in self defense, you have to shoot very angry bass.


Gotta have a semi-automatic to fight off those damn Chinese carp jumping at you.
 
2012-10-19 11:20:06 AM  

dittybopper: Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members.



So what statements did Romney make?

It sounds like what you're saying is that Romney got the details of the bill he was signing wrong. He thought he was restricting guns, so his statements were about how great it was to restrict guns.


So you're saying Romney is both (a) anti-gun, and (b) kinda clueless.
 
2012-10-19 11:20:32 AM  

hdhale: 3. We need to spend more on studying climate change. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives disrupted are at stake.


Good luck with that. There is an explicit interest on the part of big industry in LETTING things warm up. Melted arctic = shipping lanes and resource extravaganza.
 
2012-10-19 11:20:56 AM  

dittybopper: iq_in_binary: hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.

I'm a gunsmith. With a brain. I'll vote for Hitler himself before I ever vote for the most effective anti-gun politician active in politics today. In other words, I'm voting Obama.

No, you don't have a brain. Most effective anti-gun politician? Romney? Are you serious? Romney signed a *LOOSENING* of Massachusetts assault weapons ban, that was originally enacted before his term as governor. Some highlights from the Gun Owners Action League, the premier gun rights group in Massachusetts:

Legislation: During the Romney Administration, no anti-Second Amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made its way to the Governor's desk.

Governor Romney did sign five pro-Second Amendment/pro-sportsmen bills into law. His administration also worked with Gun Owners' Action League and the Democratic leadership of the Massachusetts House and Senate to remove any anti-Second Amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006. A summary of this legislation follows.
...
Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004: An Act Further Regulating Certain Weapons

This is a perfect example of don't believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the "assault weapon" ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members. The following is what the bill actually did:

1. Established the Firearm License Review Board (FLRB). The 1998 law created new criteria for disqualifying citizens for firearms licenses that included any misdemeanor punishable by more than two years even if no jail time was ever served.

For instance, a first conviction of operating a motor vehicle under the influence would result in the loss of your ability to own a handgun for life and long guns for a minimum of five years. This Board is now able to review cases under limited circumstances to restore licenses to individuals who meet certain criteria.

2. Mandated that a minimum of $50,000 of the licensing fees be used for the operation of the FLRB so that the Board would not cease operating under budget cuts.

3. Extended the term of the state's firearm licenses from 4 years to 6 years.

4. Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.

In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.

5. Re-instated a 90 day grace period for citizens who were trying to renew their firearm license. Over the past years, the government agencies in charge had fallen months behind in renewing licenses. At one point it was taking upwards of a year to renew a license. Under Massachusetts law, a citizen cannot have a firearm or ammunition in their home with an expired license.

6. Mandated that law enforcement must issue a receipt for firearms that are confiscated due to an expired license. Prior to this law, no receipts were given for property confiscated which led to accusations of stolen or lost firearms after they were confiscated by police.

7. Gave free license renewal for law enforcement officers who applied through their employing agency.

8. Changed the size and style of a firearm license to that of a driver's license so that it would fit in a normal wallet. The original license was 3" x 4".

9. Created stiffer penalties for armed home invaders. 

In other words, Romney signed into law restrictions on how the state of Massachusetts could enforce the already existing state assault weapons ban by making the federal exemptions to the law for certain kinds of guns apply to the state law.


So, he signed into law something that clarified the scope of an existing gun ban. Obama, on the other hand, actually lifted a gun ban. Romney could have championed the ban's repeal. He didn't.

Between the two - Romney has a history that is more anti-gun than Obama.

/this is not my argument.
// I'm not defending the original opinion.
/// I'm just providing a frame for yours
 
2012-10-19 11:22:21 AM  

hdhale: I think you can guess what his stand is now.


All I can ever do with him is guess, hater.
 
2012-10-19 11:22:38 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: serial_crusher: What does the 2nd amendment have to do with fishing?

Sometimes, in self defense, you have to shoot very angry bass.

Gotta have a semi-automatic to fight off those damn Chinese carp jumping at you.


Slightly related CSB:

A good friend's grandfather was with the Marines in Korea. The only words I've heard him say about the experience was:

"It's a good thing they gave us bayonets, because we didn't always have time to reload."

The moral of the story? Bring a knife because those Chinese carp might not give you time to reload.
 
2012-10-19 11:22:51 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Political beliefs can't be categorized into just one of two folders in a file cabinet binders. Good for these guys.


FTFY
 
2012-10-19 11:23:49 AM  
Al Gore made money on green energy so climate change is not real.

Just getting it out of the way -- you know its coming.
 
2012-10-19 11:24:15 AM  

bikerific: dittybopper: Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members.


So what statements did Romney make?

It sounds like what you're saying is that Romney got the details of the bill he was signing wrong. He thought he was restricting guns, so his statements were about how great it was to restrict guns.


So you're saying Romney is both (a) anti-gun, and (b) kinda clueless.


One wonders what other things Romney has signed without him or anyone on his staff reading them.
 
2012-10-19 11:24:24 AM  

2wolves: As a fly fishing outdoors kind of guy I can say that both sides are bad but the GOP is worse.


I flyfish regularly and vote D. I also cling to my guns and beer.

Taylor River, Colorado. Caught, photographed, and released.
i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-19 11:24:38 AM  

dittybopper: Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the "assault weapon" ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members.


'Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts," Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony on July 1 with legislators, sportsmen's groups and gun safety advocates. "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people." Link

So he thought he was banning weapons, but he was just too stupid to know what he was signing. Therefore, he is a Second Amendment patriot. Got it.
 
2012-10-19 11:25:43 AM  
I have a hippie uncle who smokes pot while he fishes and forages for magic mushrooms while he hunts. He's voting Obama.
 
2012-10-19 11:26:27 AM  

dittybopper: In other words, Romney signed into law restrictions on how the state of Massachusetts could enforce the already existing state assault weapons ban by making the federal exemptions to the law for certain kinds of guns apply to the state law.


Why did he say this at the signing of the bill?

"As Massachusetts governor, Romney also signed a bill making the state's temporary assault weapons ban permanent. "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people," Romney said at the signing ceremony
 
2012-10-19 11:29:29 AM  
1. Thank you guys. You are finally doing something worthwhile. Please continue this so we don't create irreversible effects on our planet.

2. No one is coming for your penis gun collection. They're safe if you are.
 
2012-10-19 11:30:40 AM  

Gulper Eel: MrBallou: I'm a fly fisher and outdoorsman, so this matters to me. While they've always gone in the right direction, I do wish this administration had been more aggressive on environmental issues.

So, let me see if I have this straight:

Because the one guy hasn't done enough to help save the environment, I should vote for the other guy whose party want to totally assrape the planet for profit.

Speaking of assraping the planet for profit, what of the state and local wildlife officials who don't care how many deer overbreed and chew the hell out of the forest to the point where the whole forest ecosystem's farked, long as the hunting license revenues are coming in?

If it's licensing revenue the state's worried about, let them sell licenses for market hunting - that way there's actual help for the environment, the state gets their piece of the action, the deer wind up on somebody's plate instead of starving in February, and then I could order some yummy venison at one of my local restaurants that actually is local and not farmed in New Zealand.

But that would risk the wrath of the b-b-b-b-b-but-you're-killing-Bambi voters who know about as much about deer overpopulation as I do about string theory.


Nah. Market forces would just corrupt the system. They'd probably over-hunt and your venison supply would quickly dry up. I'm more in favor of encouraging the growth of coyote populations or even reintroducing wolves. Then the kids would learn more about how ecosystems really work. Bonus: we'd get rid of lots of the cats and cockerdoodles that the b-b-b-b-b-but-you're-killing-Bambi voters keep.
 
2012-10-19 11:31:53 AM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-19 11:32:54 AM  

Epoch_Zero: 2. No one is coming for your penis gun collection. They're safe if you are.


deeerp
 
2012-10-19 11:32:57 AM  

Maud Dib: 2wolves: As a fly fishing outdoors kind of guy I can say that both sides are bad but the GOP is worse.

I flyfish regularly and vote D. I also cling to my guns and beer.

Taylor River, Colorado. Caught, photographed, and released.
[i865.photobucket.com image 850x684]


But what about the trout?
 
2012-10-19 11:33:40 AM  
Are we supposed to point out that one hot Summer is not necessarily proof of climate change, or do we just appreciate the support?

blogs.riverfronttimes.com

Marge Simpson: Sting, you really should rest. You'll wear yourself out.
Sting: Not while one of my fans needs me!
Marge Simpson: Actually, I've never heard Bart listen to one of your albums...
Homer: Shh, Marge! He's a good digger!
 
2012-10-19 11:35:43 AM  

hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.


Speak for yourself.
 
2012-10-19 11:35:58 AM  
I bang my head on the steering wheel every time I drive by a "Sportsman for Romney" yard sign. How can anybody that loves nature, hunting, fishing, etc... vote for Republicans? I don't get it. Their main job creation policy is basically deregulation (allow manufacturing plants to pollute) and tax cuts for people who do nothing but destroy the environment.
 
2012-10-19 11:37:37 AM  
Remember Mr. Hunter and Fishermen, only one candidate wants to turn Federally protected land over to the states for drilling for oil/coal mining. Do you think this might (a) ruin your favorite hunting/fishing spot and (b) increase the reliance on fossil fuels which may be playing into global warming?

Plus, one candidate is touting green energy for jobs and environment.

So, NRA says vote Republican, so you will. Again, voting against your own interests.
 
2012-10-19 11:38:07 AM  

Granny_Panties: I bang my head on the steering wheel every time I drive by a "Sportsman for Romney" yard sign. How can anybody that loves nature, hunting, fishing, etc... vote for Republicans? I don't get it. Their main job creation policy is basically deregulation (allow manufacturing plants to pollute) and tax cuts for people who do nothing but destroy the environment.


Because nothing says "I love Nature" like driving a full-size pickup truck into the woods and shooting at anything that moves.
 
2012-10-19 11:38:18 AM  

hinten: dr_blasto: hinten: Guess what "37 million Americans engaged in hunting or fishing" also support?
That's why they are not voting for Obama.

What's that? Guns maybe? These are the morons that will vote for the guy that actually instituted gun bans, thinks automatic weapons are illegal?

Relax, I was calling 37 million Americans not anti-gun but racists.


So, everyone that hunts and fishes is a racist?
 
2012-10-19 11:38:59 AM  
http://www.trcp.org/
 
2012-10-19 11:39:20 AM  

macadamnut: Granny_Panties: I bang my head on the steering wheel every time I drive by a "Sportsman for Romney" yard sign. How can anybody that loves nature, hunting, fishing, etc... vote for Republicans? I don't get it. Their main job creation policy is basically deregulation (allow manufacturing plants to pollute) and tax cuts for people who do nothing but destroy the environment.

Because nothing says "I love Nature" like driving a full-size pickup truck into the woods and shooting at anything that moves.


Worked for VP Cheney.
 
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