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2012-10-19 08:33:29 AM
Damn shame. Once that demon gets ahold of you, it never truly lets go, and it cost this kid his life.
 
2012-10-19 08:56:29 AM
I'm going to point and laugh at the workaholic father who never noticed his kids needs growing up, may just have had a tiny little bit to contribute with the kid's ability to drift sideways and get lost.

Same thing that got Tony Dungy's kid.

The media will never hold these type A rockstar football fathers who have no time for their kids accountable, but I will.

At least they're asking some of the questions
 
2012-10-19 09:02:14 AM
Not to get all conspiracy (because I have no idea who this guy is), but if somebody wants to kill somebody else and make it look like a tragic accident, then they'd inject enough heroin into them to make them OD, and then stash the paraphernalia around the house.
 
2012-10-19 09:04:22 AM
Those that have never tried Heroin can't possibly understand the allure, feel and pull that shiat has.

Someone once asked me what the difference between alcoholism and drug addiction is, here was my answer:

"With alcoholism, if my mother got between me and a drink, I'd push her out of the way, maybe even punch her in the face and apologize, explaining to her why I needed that drink. With drug addiction if my mother got between me and a fix, I'd shoot her in the face without remorse or regret."
 
2012-10-19 09:09:25 AM
There is also some very bad shiat going around lately. Not sure if it's just been stepped on or if it's something other than heroin. Unfortunately there is a growing trend of heroin use., even in rural areas.
Yes, the war on drugs is partly to blame. Sloganeering and disinformation took the place of real education, and we are now having to reap what we have sown.
shiat's going to get worse before it gets better.
 
2012-10-19 09:22:15 AM

cretinbob: There is also some very bad shiat going around lately. Not sure if it's just been stepped on or if it's something other than heroin. Unfortunately there is a growing trend of heroin use., even in rural areas.
Yes, the war on drugs is partly to blame. Sloganeering and disinformation took the place of real education, and we are now having to reap what we have sown.
shiat's going to get worse before it gets better.


There's the fundamental problem with the Right Wing Wars In *fill in the blank*. They think just telling people don't do it is good enough. Actually putting together social programs that deal directly with the problem only adds to the problem, in their minds, and really, drug addiction is a poor person problem anyway.
 
2012-10-19 09:27:56 AM

RexTalionis: Not to get all conspiracy (because I have no idea who this guy is), but if somebody wants to kill somebody else and make it look like a tragic accident, then they'd inject enough heroin into them to make them OD, and then stash the paraphernalia around the house.


That happened in a Tom Clancy book, Without Remorse. CIA guy made the target choose between a heroin overdose, or a giant knife to the gut. The guy chose the overdose.
 
2012-10-19 09:46:10 AM

SilentStrider: Damn shame. Once that demon gets ahold of you, it never truly lets go, and it cost this kid his life.


No. No. No. Stop making excuses for the kid. He ODed cuz he's a fat piece of shiat like his father.

/drugs rock and the illegal ones are safer
//thank fsm he didn't get drunk and mow down any innocent bystanders or anyone else, he only took his own fat ass out of the game
///you can turn your back on a person, but don't ever turn your back on a drug
 
2012-10-19 09:48:51 AM

HST's Dead Carcass: drug addiction is a poor person problem anyway.


content.animalnewyork.com

/keep usin' buzzwords, get drunk and slam your car into a family of 4
//illegal drugs = safer drugs
 
2012-10-19 09:50:44 AM
He wasn't killed by the War on (SOME) Drugs. He died because he wanted to. Little attention whore, 'daddy wont pay attention to me! I'm a grown man now and daddy never played with me! I'll show HIM!'
 
2012-10-19 10:40:16 AM

urban.derelict: /keep usin' buzzwords, get drunk and slam your car into a family of 4
//illegal drugs = safer drugs


Chappaquiddick wha?
 
2012-10-19 10:51:41 AM

cretinbob: There is also some very bad shiat going around lately. Not sure if it's just been stepped on or if it's something other than heroin. Unfortunately there is a growing trend of heroin use., even in rural areas.
Yes, the war on drugs is partly to blame. Sloganeering and disinformation took the place of real education, and we are now having to reap what we have sown.
shiat's going to get worse before it gets better.


I have been representing a staggeringly increasing number of heroin addicts in the last year or so. Almost all of them have been young college students from middle/upper income families. The heroin they are using is much purer than in past years and many are smoking it which I think takes away some of the bad stigma associated with heroin use. Every one of them will tell you that they fell in love with the drug from the first use. Most of them are committed to getting clean and staying away from the stuff--unlike my meth and inhalant clients who just want to reassemble bicycle wheels and pass out while huffing and run over bridge trolls (true story.) I agree--it is a growing problem.
 
2012-10-19 12:09:29 PM
I know that a heroin addiction is as strong as most addictions, but this is no ones fault but his own. Everyone has given him the chance to change, the help to change and the kid made the choice not to change. Not daddy's fault, not the gov's fault, not the dealer's fault. His fault.
 
2012-10-19 12:10:17 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Those that have never tried Heroin can't possibly understand the allure, feel and pull that shiat has.

Someone once asked me what the difference between alcoholism and drug addiction is, here was my answer:

"With alcoholism, if my mother got between me and a drink, I'd push her out of the way, maybe even punch her in the face and apologize, explaining to her why I needed that drink. With drug addiction if my mother got between me and a fix, I'd shoot her in the face without remorse or regret."


I had a GF quit heroin for me once. True fact. did the whole Trainspotting 2 days puking shivering throwing the works away scene and everything.

Choose Life.
 
2012-10-19 12:25:13 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: cretinbob: There is also some very bad shiat going around lately. Not sure if it's just been stepped on or if it's something other than heroin. Unfortunately there is a growing trend of heroin use., even in rural areas.
Yes, the war on drugs is partly to blame. Sloganeering and disinformation took the place of real education, and we are now having to reap what we have sown.
shiat's going to get worse before it gets better.

There's the fundamental problem with the Right Wing Wars In *fill in the blank*. They think just telling people don't do it is good enough. Actually putting together social programs that deal directly with the problem only adds to the problem, in their minds, and really, drug addiction is a poor person problem anyway.


So much this. Unless you are an addict, it is very difficult for people to understand that it isn't as easy as "just don't do it". And addiction knows no socioeconomic boundaries.
 
2012-10-19 12:27:48 PM
Also, an addict could go to Saudi Arabia and could probably find their drug of choice within 1/2 an hour.
The "war" on drugs ides nothing.
 
2012-10-19 12:27:59 PM
FTA:

The 19 vials of liquid found in a small nylon container in Reid's room remain a mystery, Morganelli said, and his office will hire a private lab for more tests.

"They're not related to the findings of the autopsy, in our view," he said. "They may be something, another illegal substance, but we wanted to at least find out what they were." ...

A law-enforcement source familiar with drug investigations said that the 19 vials of liquid could be an anabolic steroid, which would require multiple needles and syringes as well. Neither Morganelli or Lysek could be reached for further comment on the vials on Thursday afternoon, and no mention of steroids was made at the news conference.


So Andy Reid, someone who a federal judge said allowed his sons to operate his drug house right under his nose, allows one of his sons to work with the team in training camp where he may have been distributing steroids?

Seems like this would be a bigger story.
 
2012-10-19 12:28:58 PM
I think the War on Drugs is a load of bullshiat, but even if we decriminalize or even legalize drug use, heroin (and opiates in general) should be very tightly controlled. That shiat wrecks lives.
 
2012-10-19 12:30:48 PM

Generation_D: I'm going to point and laugh at the workaholic father who never noticed his kids needs growing up, may just have had a tiny little bit to contribute with the kid's ability to drift sideways and get lost.


I'm sure there are some exceptions, but I'm pretty sure your average NHL, NBA or MLB coach/manager by 6:00am on a Tuesday has not already had two cups of coffee and broken down two-hours worth of film. Also, it's not like their day ends at 5pm.

There's an absolutely perverse sense of work ethic among football coaches in general, especially at the professional level.
 
2012-10-19 12:31:31 PM

Arkanaut: I think the War on Drugs is a load of bullshiat, but even if we decriminalize or even legalize drug use, heroin (and opiates in general) should be very tightly controlled. That shiat wrecks lives.


Agreed.
 
2012-10-19 12:37:18 PM

Killer Cars: There's an absolutely perverse sense of work ethic among football coaches in general, especially at the professional level.


It's what happens when people demand wins at all costs, or else you're unemployed.
 
2012-10-19 12:40:18 PM

Arkanaut: I think the War on Drugs is a load of bullshiat, but even if we decriminalize or even legalize drug use, heroin (and opiates in general) should be very tightly controlled. That shiat wrecks lives.


This.

I don't think I'll ever remember walking into my dorm room my freshman year and finding my roommate passed out with a needle in his arm. He didn't die that day and I saw him for a couple of years after around campus (I asked to be given a different roommate at the end of the first semester) but he looked like a ghost.
 
2012-10-19 12:42:15 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: cretinbob: There is also some very bad shiat going around lately. Not sure if it's just been stepped on or if it's something other than heroin. Unfortunately there is a growing trend of heroin use., even in rural areas.
Yes, the war on drugs is partly to blame. Sloganeering and disinformation took the place of real education, and we are now having to reap what we have sown.
shiat's going to get worse before it gets better.

There's the fundamental problem with the Right Wing Wars In *fill in the blank*. They think just telling people don't do it is good enough. Actually putting together social programs that deal directly with the problem only adds to the problem, in their minds, and really, drug addiction is a poor person problem anyway.


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-19 12:43:22 PM
Who the Fark is Garrett Reid?
 
2012-10-19 12:46:02 PM

IAmRight: It's what happens when people demand wins at all costs, or else you're unemployed.


Oh certainly, just pointing out that "lifestyle", for lack of a better word, isn't unique to Andy Reid.

There was SI article (or maybe it was in ESPN Mag, can't remember) years ago on Jim Haslett back when he was a HC, and his family (both the wife and kids) are practically quoted in the article saying the stress and hours of his job basically make him an emotionally distant zombie during the season.
 
2012-10-19 12:46:55 PM

Generation_D: I'm going to point and laugh at the workaholic father who never noticed his kids needs growing up, may just have had a tiny little bit to contribute with the kid's ability to drift sideways and get lost.

Same thing that got Tony Dungy's kid.

The media will never hold these type A rockstar football fathers who have no time for their kids accountable, but I will.

At least they're asking some of the questions


If you think Andy Reid or Tony Dungy have a type A personality, you either need to learn how to read so you can check that definition or you're living in an alternative reality.
 
2012-10-19 12:53:48 PM

Generation_D: I had a GF quit heroin for me once. True fact. did the whole Trainspotting 2 days puking shivering throwing the works away scene and everything.

Choose Life.



I hope she didn't go back on the heroin after you dumped her ass.
 
2012-10-19 12:55:30 PM

RexTalionis: Not to get all conspiracy (because I have no idea who this guy is), but if somebody wants to kill somebody else and make it look like a tragic accident, then they'd inject enough heroin into them to make them OD, and then stash the paraphernalia around the house.


Yeah they did the same thing to Amy Winehouse. You retard
 
2012-10-19 12:56:10 PM
It totally wasn't an ever-increasing dose of legal painkillers that pushed him into heroin. That would never happen; all pharmaceuticals are good things that never cause anyone any problems.
 
2012-10-19 12:58:15 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: There's the fundamental problem with the Right Wing Wars In *fill in the blank*. They think just telling people don't do it is good enough. Actually putting together social programs that deal directly with the problem only adds to the problem, in their minds, and really, drug addiction is a poor person problem anyway.

Bring your at risk kids to the second mile foundation
www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-10-19 01:01:58 PM
"If God made anything better, he kept it for himself"

William Burroughs: Junky

I'm waiting for my man
Twenty-six dollars in my hand
Up to Lexington, 125
Feeling sick and dirty, more dead than alive
I'm waiting for my man

**************

Heroin, be the death of me
Heroin, it's my wife and it's my life
Because a mainer to my vein
Leads to a center in my head
And then I'm better off and dead
Because when the smack begins to flow
I really don't care anymore
About all the Jim-Jim's in this town
And all the politicians makin' crazy sounds
And everybody puttin' everybody else down
And all the dead bodies piled up in mounds


See, doesn't doing smack just sound like such an awesome experience?

/Smoking pot does NOT lead to heroin
//At least in my case
 
2012-10-19 01:18:11 PM
This should be played at all funerals where the deceased died from an overdose of drugs:

The Needle and the Damage Done
 
2012-10-19 01:24:51 PM
Seeing quite a few people who don't understand addiction. You want to reason it through "rationally." It doesn't work that way. When you're in that hole, there's no "just deciding to stop." When you get to that point, you get lucky, but you don't really get to choose to be there on your own. Your brain is fighting against you the whole way. It's a long climb up from there.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to speak on it just because you haven't been there, but I am saying that, as with anything, you don't really understand what someone goes through unless you've been through it. Do we all get excuses for ending up there in the first place? No. Shouldn't have happened. But that debate goes back thousands of years. The difference is we have the ability to help people when they are there, in a way people never did before.

Despite popular belief, when you recover from a bad addiction, while the urge to go back to whatever you were addicted to is still there, you don't ever _want_ to jump back down that hole, unless you're to the point you just desire obliteration.
 
2012-10-19 01:28:42 PM
Another dead junkie....boo farking hoo...
 
2012-10-19 01:30:08 PM
P.S. One of the best things you can do when is help young people to be able to understand when they are addicts. It's OK to admit this about yourself.

While my friends were trying heroin or speed for the first time, I refused, and won't touch it, no matter what. Why? Because _I am an addict._ If I touch it, I'll go down that hole. I don't advocate banning it for everyone, but I think it's immensely helpful that I can know enough about myself to say that I, personally, should never, ever touch it, and not feel like an awful human being because of it; I wish other people could get there. I live a damned productive life, and no one would ever assume I'd touch a drug, but I'm not that far removed from the guys who OD -- I just make the conscious decision every day not to touch things I can't control.

/currently working to end the cigarette addiction
//next, on to caffeine
//oddly, never, ever gotten addicted to alcohol, never had a single craving for it, even if I've drank a lot -- it's the nastier substances that have claws
 
2012-10-19 01:55:19 PM
I'd like to take this time to thank the Troops, who protected the poppies that made the heroin, that killed the son, that distracted the coach who we can now runout of town.
 
2012-10-19 02:02:44 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: urban.derelict: /keep usin' buzzwords, get drunk and slam your car into a family of 4
//illegal drugs = safer drugs

Chappaquiddick wha?


He got a comeuppance for that one... eventually.
 
2012-10-19 02:04:10 PM

FitzShivering: While my friends were trying heroin or speed for the first time, I refused, and won't touch it, no matter what. Why?


I'd refuse to speed or heroin on account of it being one of the dumbest ideas I can think of.
 
2012-10-19 02:05:14 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: There's the fundamental problem with the Right Wing Wars In *fill in the blank*.


The fundamental problem with this particular War on Drugs is that it's diametrically opposed to their feelings on guns.
"If we outlaw guns, only criminals will have guns."
"If we outlaw drugs, no one will ever use them again."
 
2012-10-19 02:06:47 PM

FitzShivering: Seeing quite a few people who don't understand addiction. You want to reason it through "rationally." It doesn't work that way. When you're in that hole, there's no "just deciding to stop." When you get to that point, you get lucky, but you don't really get to choose to be there on your own. Your brain is fighting against you the whole way. It's a long climb up from there.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to speak on it just because you haven't been there, but I am saying that, as with anything, you don't really understand what someone goes through unless you've been through it. Do we all get excuses for ending up there in the first place? No. Shouldn't have happened. But that debate goes back thousands of years. The difference is we have the ability to help people when they are there, in a way people never did before.

Despite popular belief, when you recover from a bad addiction, while the urge to go back to whatever you were addicted to is still there, you don't ever _want_ to jump back down that hole, unless you're to the point you just desire obliteration.


As someone who has a lot of experience with addiction (albeit not firsthand) I understand where you're coming from. But I also know that there had been warning signs for years with both of the Reid sons. I don't think either of them got the support they needed at home, not only due to Andy Reid's occupation but also because of the family's religious leanings. I remember reading an interview with Andy after the boys got into serious, high-profile trouble the first time. He talked about how close they were as a family, that they would sing songs at the dinner table together in order to bond. The whole thing made me realize just how out of touch Andy is with the real world, that he had no clue about his kids when so many others (including my former HS football coach, who lived nearby to the Reid family and knew them reasonably well) knew they were having trouble. I feel like Andy tried to sweep a lot under the rug and chose not to see and know what others saw and knew. It didn't fit into Andy's worldview, so it didn't exist - which is exactly the way he coaches, too.

I feel very sorry for Garrett Reid because he was never given anything close to the support and guidance he needed by the one person from whom he needed it most.
 
2012-10-19 02:19:17 PM
I guess they...removes sunglasses....beat the shiat out of him.
 
2012-10-19 02:19:52 PM
wrong thread
 
2012-10-19 02:32:30 PM

Dr Dreidel: HST's Dead Carcass: There's the fundamental problem with the Right Wing Wars In *fill in the blank*.

The fundamental problem with this particular War on Drugs is that it's diametrically opposed to their feelings on guns.
"If we outlaw guns, only criminals will have guns."
"If we outlaw drugs, no one will ever use them again."


The only people in politics I ever see speak of legalization of drugs are far-right liberarians.
 
2012-10-19 02:48:59 PM

MugzyBrown: Dr Dreidel: HST's Dead Carcass: There's the fundamental problem with the Right Wing Wars In *fill in the blank*.

The fundamental problem with this particular War on Drugs is that it's diametrically opposed to their feelings on guns.
"If we outlaw guns, only criminals will have guns."
"If we outlaw drugs, no one will ever use them again."

The only people in politics I ever see speak of legalization of drugs are far-right liberarians.


Barney Frank is far-right?
 
2012-10-19 02:49:26 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: FitzShivering: Seeing quite a few people who don't understand addiction. You want to reason it through "rationally." It doesn't work that way. When you're in that hole, there's no "just deciding to stop." When you get to that point, you get lucky, but you don't really get to choose to be there on your own. Your brain is fighting against you the whole way. It's a long climb up from there.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to speak on it just because you haven't been there, but I am saying that, as with anything, you don't really understand what someone goes through unless you've been through it. Do we all get excuses for ending up there in the first place? No. Shouldn't have happened. But that debate goes back thousands of years. The difference is we have the ability to help people when they are there, in a way people never did before.

Despite popular belief, when you recover from a bad addiction, while the urge to go back to whatever you were addicted to is still there, you don't ever _want_ to jump back down that hole, unless you're to the point you just desire obliteration.

As someone who has a lot of experience with addiction (albeit not firsthand) I understand where you're coming from. But I also know that there had been warning signs for years with both of the Reid sons. I don't think either of them got the support they needed at home, not only due to Andy Reid's occupation but also because of the family's religious leanings. I remember reading an interview with Andy after the boys got into serious, high-profile trouble the first time. He talked about how close they were as a family, that they would sing songs at the dinner table together in order to bond. The whole thing made me realize just how out of touch Andy is with the real world, that he had no clue about his kids when so many others (including my former HS football coach, who lived nearby to the Reid family and knew them reasonably well) knew they were having trouble. I feel like Andy trie ...


I do have decades long experience with addiction. I know from first hand experience what it's like. The point Fitz is trying to make is it had to be his son's choice to stop. Unfortunately, Heroin can be very much like Russian Roulette. You are right that Andy probably didn't understand it and didn't give the proper type of support. I have no practical experience at all with Coaching on any level, so I don't know what type of time it takes to run a professional sports team, but can take a guess it takes a lot of time and effort... which worked as a great distraction to having to deal with his son.

For the record: Andy was all but powerless to his son's addiction. There's very little he could do to save him if Garret wanted to continue to get high. It's a sad truth of addiction. I personally work with addicts and alcoholics in rehab centers and at military bases to help them overcome their addictions. First things first, though: they have to want to stop. Their last high has to be so bad it cuts through the farked up thinking to make them realize how bad off they are. Many times they believe they are beyond help and just continue to do it, because they're not getting the right kind of support. I've been there and I am damn near wholly recovered now.

I've been clean for 13 years after ODing on my 24th birthday (mind you, I'm 41). Six weeks of rehab in a literal prison helped out immensely, but when released, I found myself creeping back through the neighborhoods of dealers and calling druggie friends just "to see how they've been" kind of thing. I ended up having to move 1,500 miles away to get away from it all, and even then, I found myself looking around to score. I thought I was cool and not doing drugs, then I'd wake up the next day, still hungover from a black out drunk with no money and little plastic baggies in my pockets. I finally had to give up booze, too, because I was thrusting all my addiction problems into a bottle, and when I got drunk, even I didn't know what I was going to do. Now, 8 years sober, I work hard with others to help them, and haven't had to worry about myself doing any of it for a long time now.

It's terrible Garret Reid had to die, especially since he comes from a family that could afford to get him help, but in my experience, I've found that the richer the family, the more detached and ignorant they are to the problem. They think they are above it and they can throw money at it to make it go away. That is why I said what I said way up top.
 
2012-10-19 02:55:46 PM

Shtetl G: Generation_D: I had a GF quit heroin for me once. True fact. did the whole Trainspotting 2 days puking shivering throwing the works away scene and everything.

Choose Life.


I hope she didn't go back on the heroin after you dumped her ass.


Wouldn't know. We're still together 15 yrs later.
 
2012-10-19 02:56:13 PM
There's a reason you don't meet a lot of recovered heroin addicts. Heroin is pretty high on the list of most addictive substances known to man.
 
2012-10-19 03:12:55 PM

MugzyBrown: The only people in politics I ever see speak of legalization of drugs are far-right liberarians.


That's because it's a politically suicidal position, as are most common sense stances on things. You can either offend a bunch of people and get things done or you can be inoffensive to everyone and be utterly useless. It's politicians' jobs to be utterly useless, at least in public. Then go f*ck stuff up in private and hope no one finds out.
 
2012-10-19 03:18:55 PM

RexTalionis: Not to get all conspiracy (because I have no idea who this guy is), but if somebody wants to kill somebody else and make it look like a tragic accident, then they'd inject enough heroin into them to make them OD, and then stash the paraphernalia around the house.


sigh.

#1) or maybe this kid a drug problem
#2) injecting someone with heroin is not an easy way to kill someone. Someone is not just gonna let you do it, so you are going to have to subdue them somehow - and the act of subduing someone creates evidence that may contradict the whole accidental OD setup.
 
2012-10-19 03:23:52 PM

Generation_D: Shtetl G:
I hope she didn't go back on the heroin after you dumped her ass.

Wouldn't know. We're still together 15 yrs later.


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