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2012-10-19 10:24:39 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: [dustinstockton.com image 250x374]


I live in the basement of my parents condominium, right in the middle of the predominantly white Suburban district. Do you ever come to this area of town to shop/go out/visit/explore?

I went to an community league school - the University of Oregon - for my degree in history. Where did you go to school?

What activities do you currently participate in to stay in shape? I eat out 4 times a week at buffets. Do you go to Country Buffet regularly? I am 5 feet 9 inches tall, 235 pounds - what about yourself? I am truly sorry if that sounds rude, impolite or even downright crass, but I have been deceived before by inaccurate representations of sexual orientation so I prefer someone be upfront and honest on initial contact...

I do blogs & rants (2nd Amendment) for Dustin Stockton (Right Wing Shills). Enjoy any of our screeds/disinformation?

Do you have any other recent pictures you care to share? I have many others if you care to see them.

Regards,

Greg


itsbeautiful.jpg
 
2012-10-19 10:24:40 AM  

Your Zionist Leader: vernonFL: [dustinstockton.com image 250x374]

"Just the Derp, Ma'am"

Has his mom ever let him leave the basement? That's a pasty dude


He's too fat and out of shape to walk up the stairs.

Jackson Herring: [dustinstockton.com image 250x374]

Don't care if it hurts, just want to have control
I want a perfect body, a perfect potato


Cuz I'm a Freep, I'm a weirdo.
 
2012-10-19 10:25:16 AM  
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I think Dustin has a great career in University protest law enforcement ahead of him.
 
2012-10-19 10:25:39 AM  
i1151.photobucket.com
The doughy white guy militia ALWAYS stands their ground
(due to obvious mobility-impairment issues)
 
2012-10-19 10:28:07 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Lou Brown: Above all else, a moderator has to be totally consistent and impartial

Facts are impartial.


Yes, facts are impartial. But I don't think it's possible for a moderator to correct the candidates on their facts in a totally consistent and impartial basis. If Candidate A and Candidate B both lie twice, but the moderator only interjects with facts to challenge those lies in 3 of those cases for whatever reason (not being able to get a word in or not knowing the facts in regard to the lie), then the moderator wasn't being impartial.
 
2012-10-19 10:28:33 AM  

keylock71: Heh... Pictures of doughy white guys trying to show how bad-ass they are by posing with their firearms crack me up.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 470x616]


What the fark is this crazy shiat? Is that a cell phone holder on his mismatched helmet? There's no phone in it, did he eat it?
 
2012-10-19 10:30:13 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lou Brown: It's the participant's responsibility to challenge the lies. Not the moderator's.

I bet you believe it's not a journalist's job to report the facts, either. Just report the opinion of both sides equally.



Lou Brown: I think fact checking is more the responsibility of media covering the debate.

 
2012-10-19 10:32:01 AM  

Lou Brown: Above all else, a moderator has to be totally consistent and impartial


Impartiality has nothing to do with this. The only reason Barack Obama didn't get slapped down like Romney is because at no point in the debate did he piss the moderator off by dragging it to a halt with a ceaseless string of lies.

The moderator doesn't serve the candidates, the moderator serves the debate audience. There is no reason that a moderator should not inject facts into the debate when one or both participants refuse to. And if the moderator injects something that isn't a fact, then they're a shiat moderator. One of the many reasons someone could be a shiat moderator. It would not be functionally different if she'd been wrong than Jim Lehrer's refusal to control the time clocks. Shiatty moderators happen and can happen for multiple reasons. The outcome, though, is the same regardless of why they're a shiatty moderator.

Again, the moderator is there to serve the audience, not the candidates. The moderator should be under no obligation to allow either candidate to lie to that audience without correction.
 
2012-10-19 10:32:18 AM  

Lou Brown: Yes, facts are impartial. But I don't think it's possible for a moderator to correct the candidates on their facts in a totally consistent and impartial basis. If Candidate A and Candidate B both lie twice, but the moderator only interjects with facts to challenge those lies in 3 of those cases for whatever reason (not being able to get a word in or not knowing the facts in regard to the lie), then the moderator wasn't being impartial.


Actually if they didn't make the correction for the two reasons you noted they were being entirely impartial.
 
2012-10-19 10:32:47 AM  
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2012-10-19 10:33:21 AM  

Lou Brown: cameroncrazy1984: Lou Brown: It's the participant's responsibility to challenge the lies. Not the moderator's.

I bet you believe it's not a journalist's job to report the facts, either. Just report the opinion of both sides equally.


Lou Brown: I think fact checking is more the responsibility of media covering the debate.


What part of "moderator" is really that difficult to understand? The moderator's job isn't just to ask questions. It's to moderate.
 
2012-10-19 10:34:04 AM  
When you're whining about a moderator, you're doing so because your guy lost the debate.

Most libs agreed that Obama lost the first debate. We didn't accuse Leher of being partisan, or taking Romney's side, or ambusing Obama.
 
2012-10-19 10:34:46 AM  

dr_blasto: keylock71: Heh... Pictures of doughy white guys trying to show how bad-ass they are by posing with their firearms crack me up.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 470x616]

What the fark is this crazy shiat? Is that a cell phone holder on his mismatched helmet? There's no phone in it, did he eat it?


It's probably where he attaches his night vision goggles for when he's on long nighttime patrols in the forest desert.
 
2012-10-19 10:36:08 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lou Brown: cameroncrazy1984: Lou Brown: It's the participant's responsibility to challenge the lies. Not the moderator's.

I bet you believe it's not a journalist's job to report the facts, either. Just report the opinion of both sides equally.


Lou Brown: I think fact checking is more the responsibility of media covering the debate.

What part of "moderator" is really that difficult to understand? The moderator's job isn't just to ask questions. It's to moderate.

Thank

you.
 
2012-10-19 10:36:20 AM  

max_pooper: dr_blasto: keylock71: Heh... Pictures of doughy white guys trying to show how bad-ass they are by posing with their firearms crack me up.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 470x616]

What the fark is this crazy shiat? Is that a cell phone holder on his mismatched helmet? There's no phone in it, did he eat it?

It's probably where he attaches his night vision goggles for when he's on long nighttime patrols in the forest desert teenage wasteland.

 
2012-10-19 10:36:23 AM  
The e-mail didn't say to cover for her. It said she tried her best and did a good job. I get the feeling that if Romney had more time to talk, but actually said fewer words people would be upset by that, too. The first moderator did a terrible job. But Dems knew Obama did, too. It's not everybody elses fault when somebody loses. If Romney was amazing he could have done a better job all on his own. I read people are also attacking a girl there who asked a question since Romney didn't answer it and it made him look bad. Attacking a soup kitchen because Ryan messed up and barged in there not doing anything. Not cool.
 
2012-10-19 10:37:57 AM  

dr_blasto: Vodka Zombie: dr_blasto: [dustinstockton.com image 250x374] 
Lulz at Greg Campbell.

Some people should just NOT grow beards.

Aside from that, I think Crowley did a pretty good job. Romney walked all over her like a typical rich bastard simply assuming the rules of the little people do not apply to him, and there's no way to stop an out-of-control moron once the engineer falls asleep at the switch.

But, all-in-all, she hardly has anything to be disgraced about.

Romney expected that he would be allowed to get the last word in. She told him no, and Romney cannot abide being told "no" as he's always been the guy in charge.

And, for Greggy here, the whole cigar/pistol/suspenders and messed up bed with the stupid look on his face is just great.


Did you read the debate agreement? 5 times Obama got the first and last word to a question, against the agreed to rules. This was due to Crowley no t following the agreed to rules. How can you not call that bias. You believe there is no advantage in having first and last words?
 
2012-10-19 10:38:40 AM  

keylock71: [alanschuyler.files.wordpress.com image 460x323]

"Here's your problem, Cletus... You got fudge in the chamber."


thats a mosin nagant. itll still fire with fudge in the chamber.

interesting however tho that so many gun guys are so fat. i used to notice that on the range, too, when id go shooting.
 
2012-10-19 10:39:10 AM  

amiable: Welp polls are moving back in Obama's direction and the right is coming totally unhinged. "Moderator bad! Not optimal!" The desperation is almost palpable. God I love it.


Yes. Binders full of women is a far cry from desperation... grow up.
 
2012-10-19 10:39:36 AM  

Lou Brown: It's the participant's responsibility to challenge the lies. Not the moderator's.


Not when you get journalists to be the moderators. If you want a moderator who's literally only going to ask questions, then don't get news people to do it.
 
2012-10-19 10:40:17 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Again, the moderator is there to serve the audience, not the candidates. The moderator should be under no obligation to allow either candidate to lie to that audience without correction.


And I believe that it is impossible for a moderator to fact check in real-time in a totally consistent manner. As a result, the moderator would unwittingly end up showing favoritism to one candidate, and that does not serve the audience, either.
 
2012-10-19 10:40:25 AM  

Lou Brown: Yes, facts are impartial. But I don't think it's possible for a moderator to correct the candidates on their facts in a totally consistent and impartial basis. If Candidate A and Candidate B both lie twice, but the moderator only interjects with facts to challenge those lies in 3 of those cases for whatever reason (not being able to get a word in or not knowing the facts in regard to the lie), then the moderator wasn't being impartial.


So you didn't see Crowley correct Romney and then immediately say that Romney was correct on the other point he was making?
 
2012-10-19 10:41:31 AM  
Ronald Reagan could have been the moderator and the post debate spin would have us believe he was a liberal.

/on second thought, he pretty much is these days.
 
2012-10-19 10:42:08 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Lou Brown: It's the participant's responsibility to challenge the lies. Not the moderator's.

Not when you get journalists to be the moderators. If you want a moderator who's literally only going to ask questions, then don't get news people to do it.


She also was arguably moderating the debate in that exchange. Romney was stuck in a glitch and kept saying things like "Are you sure about that, Mr. President?" So she told him off, and kept the debate moving along.
 
2012-10-19 10:42:22 AM  

MyRandomName: Did you read the debate agreement? 5 times Obama got the first and last word to a question, against the agreed to rules.


And Romney directly asked Obama questions about 8 times, against the agreed to rules.
 
2012-10-19 10:42:59 AM  

Lou Brown: And I believe that it is impossible for a moderator to fact check in real-time in a totally consistent manner. As a result, the moderator would unwittingly end up showing favoritism to one candidate, and that does not serve the audience, either.


I would point out that she wasn't fact-checking anyone, until Mitt tried to set up Obama on some hyper-technical issue about what someone said on a given day, especially when there was a record of that. Romney had really stopped debating at that point and was simply trying to mince Obama's words.

In order to get the debate back on track, Crawley finally stepped in and corrected Mitt so that this non-issue side show would be put to rest and an actual debate on issues could continue.
 
2012-10-19 10:44:04 AM  

dr_blasto: keylock71: Heh... Pictures of doughy white guys trying to show how bad-ass they are by posing with their firearms crack me up.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 470x616]

What the fark is this crazy shiat? Is that a cell phone holder on his mismatched helmet? There's no phone in it, did he eat it?


Looks like he just went to his local Army/Navy Surplus and bought a bunch of shiat he thought "looked cool".


2.bp.blogspot.com

What is that? A Nerf Shotgun?
 
2012-10-19 10:44:10 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: She also was arguably moderating the debate in that exchange. Romney was stuck in a glitch and kept saying things like "Are you sure about that, Mr. President?" So she told him off, and kept the debate moving along.


Ha! I just posted this, basically, in my last post.
 
2012-10-19 10:44:46 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: MyRandomName: Did you read the debate agreement? 5 times Obama got the first and last word to a question, against the agreed to rules.

And Romney directly asked Obama questions about 8 times, against the agreed to rules.


AND OMG MICHELLE OBAMA CLAPPED! THE HORROR!
 
2012-10-19 10:45:05 AM  
Weaver95


clambam: What concerns me about this story, and the recent blowback from Ryan's pot-washing photo op, is that for the repubs it's not enough to prove their opponents wrong; their opponents must be destroyed, humiliated, disgraced, fired. The right wing will not rest now until Candy Crowley loses her job for the sin of "partisanship," just like it won't rest until the St. Vincent De Paul Society soup kitchen is put out of business for not playing along with a repub fantasy. If Romney wins, to many repubs it will mean "payback time." Scores will be settled, liberals and Democrats will be punished. This is a party that was willing to throw the economy under the bus to achieve political points, that is actively seeking to disenfranchise political opponents. If they are willing to go this far to regain political power, how far will they go to keep it? The Democrats may find themselves in a position similar to the Mensheviks in post-Czarist Russia, following the rules of polite political discourse while its opponents ruthlessly use any and all means of taking and keeping power.

yeah, but that's been the standard operating procedure for a while now - compromise is for the weak, any opponent isn't merely wrong for opposing you but they're EVIL to boot...and evil must be destroyed.


Yes, we learned well from you libs. Thanks.
 
2012-10-19 10:48:50 AM  
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2012-10-19 10:49:28 AM  

cameroncrazy1984:

What part of "moderator" is really that difficult to understand? The moderator's job isn't just to ask questions. It's to moderate.


Do you think it's possible for the moderator to fact-check every statement in the debate? If not, how does the moderator pick and choose which statements to fact-check in a fair and impartial manner?

My answers to those questions are 1. No and 2. It's impossible. In my opinion, the moderator's job in the town hall format should essentially be to enforce time limits and keep the candidates on topic. Those things can be done impartially in real-time. Fact-checking every statement cannot.
 
2012-10-19 10:49:30 AM  
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/indeed
 
2012-10-19 10:51:13 AM  

Trivia Jockey: So you didn't see Crowley correct Romney and then immediately say that Romney was correct on the other point he was making?


I did. Did you see Crowley correct Obama and Romney on all of the other statements they made in the debate? I didn't. How do you decide which statements to fact check in a debate? That's something I don't believe can be done in a totally fair and impartial manner in real-time.
 
2012-10-19 10:52:39 AM  

Lou Brown: Do you think it's possible for the moderator to fact-check every statement in the debate? If not, how does the moderator pick and choose which statements to fact-check in a fair and impartial manner?


Generally when the moderator sees that a candidate isn't going to drop it and it will bog down the debate, they step in. That's what Crowley did. If the moderator needs to fact-check to keep the debate on track, absolutely they should do so.
 
2012-10-19 10:53:24 AM  

Lou Brown: How do you decide which statements to fact check in a debate?


Easy...the ones where the candidates are no longer debating, and just trying to play "gotcha!" with some choice of words on an irrelevant issue.

She wasn't doing this to "fact check" Romney, she was trying to put the issue to rest so, you know, actual debating of the issues could continue.
 
2012-10-19 10:53:28 AM  

Lou Brown: That's something I don't believe can be done in a totally fair and impartial manner in real-time.


Why not? If the moderator understands the statement to be a direct falsehood, should they not correct it? Why?

Why does it have to be that the moderator has to correct everything or nothing?
 
2012-10-19 10:54:29 AM  
Lou Brown:


Let me ask you this...are you suggesting that Romney was only beaten in this debate because of the moderator?
 
2012-10-19 10:58:06 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Lou Brown:


Let me ask you this...are you suggesting that Romney was only beaten in this debate because of the moderator?


It was unfair, because both the moderator and his opponent came with a knowledge of the facts in play.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-19 10:58:39 AM  
When did our country turn into a Phillip K. Dick novel?

Was I asleep?
 
2012-10-19 10:59:08 AM  

Buffalo77: Weaver95


clambam: What concerns me about this story, and the recent blowback from Ryan's pot-washing photo op, is that for the repubs it's not enough to prove their opponents wrong; their opponents must be destroyed, humiliated, disgraced, fired. The right wing will not rest now until Candy Crowley loses her job for the sin of "partisanship," just like it won't rest until the St. Vincent De Paul Society soup kitchen is put out of business for not playing along with a repub fantasy. If Romney wins, to many repubs it will mean "payback time." Scores will be settled, liberals and Democrats will be punished. This is a party that was willing to throw the economy under the bus to achieve political points, that is actively seeking to disenfranchise political opponents. If they are willing to go this far to regain political power, how far will they go to keep it? The Democrats may find themselves in a position similar to the Mensheviks in post-Czarist Russia, following the rules of polite political discourse while its opponents ruthlessly use any and all means of taking and keeping power.

yeah, but that's been the standard operating procedure for a while now - compromise is for the weak, any opponent isn't merely wrong for opposing you but they're EVIL to boot...and evil must be destroyed.

Yes, we learned well from you libs. Thanks.


i201.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-19 11:00:30 AM  
I would like to see a debate where their microphones cut off after the allotted response period. The candidates could bank unused seconds to apply to another response, but none of this running over time. That would also prevent one candidate from interrupting another since his/her mic would be off.
 
2012-10-19 11:01:24 AM  
(Some Guy) is so done as a wrapper, man.
 
2012-10-19 11:02:02 AM  

92myrtle: This site loses more credibility every time Drew or some modmin insults the collective FARKtelligence by parroting that weak line.


Credibility? Credibility?

We're talkin' 'bout credibility? Not page hits, not ad revenue. Credibility?
 
2012-10-19 11:02:04 AM  
overall she did an ok job. but she screwed the pooch when she broke it up like a boxing referee right when her guy looked like he was gonna get hammered. that right there is what caused all the controversy.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-19 11:02:20 AM  
 
2012-10-19 11:02:26 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lou Brown: Do you think it's possible for the moderator to fact-check every statement in the debate? If not, how does the moderator pick and choose which statements to fact-check in a fair and impartial manner?

Generally when the moderator sees that a candidate isn't going to drop it and it will bog down the debate, they step in. That's what Crowley did. If the moderator needs to fact-check to keep the debate on track, absolutely they should do so.


Trivia Jockey: Lou Brown: How do you decide which statements to fact check in a debate?

Easy...the ones where the candidates are no longer debating, and just trying to play "gotcha!" with some choice of words on an irrelevant issue.

She wasn't doing this to "fact check" Romney, she was trying to put the issue to rest so, you know, actual debating of the issues could continue.


I think it's possible for the moderator to move things along without interjecting herself in the debate.
 
2012-10-19 11:03:18 AM  

Buffalo77: Weaver95
yeah, but that's been the standard operating procedure for a while now - compromise is for the weak, any opponent isn't merely wrong for opposing you but they're EVIL to boot...and evil must be destroyed.

Yes, we learned well from you libs. Thanks.


Seriously? Like the way Congressional Democrats relentlessly went after Bush over Iraq? Or the way Congressional Democrats ruthlessly investigated the stolen election of 2000? It's not enough to simply insist on your own set of facts, but the "From you, Dad, I learned it from watching you!" approach simply doesn't wash in this instance. If GWB were in jail and Cheney's head stuck to a pike outide the Pentagon, you might have a reasonable argument but failing that, you are simply full of baloney.
 
2012-10-19 11:03:37 AM  

keylock71: [alanschuyler.files.wordpress.com image 460x323]

"Here's your problem, Cletus... You got fudge in the chamber."


"On the next exciting episode of The Cake Hunter..."
 
2012-10-19 11:04:56 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Lou Brown:


Let me ask you this...are you suggesting that Romney was only beaten in this debate because of the moderator?


Nope, not at all. I think it was a minor issue in the grand scheme of the debate, and I felt Obama clearly won on substance.
 
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