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(IT Pro)   Microsoft profits tumble 22% on news that people aren't buying PC's anymore and the new Windows 8 really, really sucks   (itproportal.com) divider line 90
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2012-10-19 02:56:32 PM

syrynxx: there was no apparent way to lauch the remaining 30-40 installed applications on my system other than the horrible "All Apps" flat nightmare of a hundred identical-sized icons.


If you really don't want a shortcut on either the desktop or Metro, just start typing the name of the app you want.
 
2012-10-19 03:12:47 PM
Using Windows 8, it isn't bad especially with Start8 installed. Still working with Metro to figure out the best way to explain it to clients.
 
2012-10-19 03:50:26 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: Windows 8 handles dual monitors far better than Windows 7.


Just out of curiosity, how DIDN'T Windows 7 handle dual monitors? I've never had a problem with it.
 
2012-10-19 04:12:24 PM

jake_lex: This is what pisses me off about corporate culture as a whole: it's not enough to be profitable, if you aren't profitable enough to satisfy some analyst somewhere, you get hammered.


Profits meeting analyst expectations aren't enough, either. They prefer record growth every single quarter, ideally growth so explosive that it disrupts some segment of your industry (see iPhone). Anything less, good luck.

/W8 is fine
//Start menu is archaic UI
///Haters gotta get their hate on
 
2012-10-19 04:18:22 PM

Lsherm: Handsome B. Wonderful: Windows 8 handles dual monitors far better than Windows 7.

Just out of curiosity, how DIDN'T Windows 7 handle dual monitors? I've never had a problem with it.


My experience is that its widely inconsistant. Whereas my MacBook doesn't have the same problems with different monitors or projectors. I've heard that Windows 8 deals with this better.
 
2012-10-19 04:19:59 PM

Lsherm: Handsome B. Wonderful: Windows 8 handles dual monitors far better than Windows 7.

Just out of curiosity, how DIDN'T Windows 7 handle dual monitors? I've never had a problem with it.


Win 7 works fine with multiple monitors, but they did a lot of cool stuff in Win 8 to make it work a lot better.

The Win 8 team did a great job with the overall OS, but I think they unfortunately got tasked with trying to duct-tape a great tablet OS to a desktop OS and the result is a bit of a hot mess. They really should have made a non-metroized version of the OS for enterprises and desktop/laptop users, or made a "classic mode" that would have reverted everything back to Win 7 look and feel. As it stands, Win 8 is a great OS for people that want to buy a Transformer-style device that can add a keyboard dock to become a full computer as needed, but it is coming at the cost of destroying decades worth of tweaking and tuning that makes Win 7 so great to use for productivity.
 
2012-10-19 04:31:06 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Subby;
Last year I built a new box and purchased a legal copy of windows 7 for it.

My last mobo lasted me seven years before I got to the point where I needed to build a new machine and my copy of windows xp was purchased in the 90's.

It will be four years minimum before I build a new computer, unless I buy a laptop.

You know NEED to upgrade every year or buy new machines all the time. We're got to the point where hardware has far outpaced software requirements.


THIS

I'm getting the itch for a new desktop for home use, but I just can't find any reason to justify the purchase. I've got a 7 year old box with an amd athlon 64 3500 processor, running xp media center edition. It does everything I ask it to do without any problems.

/not a gamer
 
2012-10-19 05:04:19 PM
Big deal. Bill Gates just has to wait 2 more seconds to buy another yacht.
 
2012-10-19 05:24:50 PM

jake_lex: Dinki: The world's largest software company saw its profit drop from $5.74 billion (£3.57 billion) to $4.47 billion (£2.79 billion) this quarter.

OH THE HUMANITY!! How will microsoft survive on a profit of only $4.47 Billion in 3 months?

This is what pisses me off about corporate culture as a whole: it's not enough to be profitable, if you aren't profitable enough to satisfy some analyst somewhere, you get hammered. And that kind of thing can lead to employees losing their jobs.


And these are generally the same clowns analysts that were giving CDO schemes AAA ratings.

The fact that the government doesn't heavily regulate ratings companies and financial analysts is not surprising in the least.
 
2012-10-19 05:25:09 PM

Basily Gourt: THIS

I'm getting the itch for a new desktop for home use, but I just can't find any reason to justify the purchase. I've got a 7 year old box with an amd athlon 64 3500 processor, running xp media center edition. It does everything I ask it to do without any problems.

/not a gamer


Gamer! :)

Previously I just upped the graphics card and processor a few times over the mobo's seven year life. Finally got to the point of diminishing returns. Maybe in a few years I might get a few proc and vid card, but it will be a LONG while until I get a new pc or windows 8.

Hell, by the time I need or plan to get a new box, they'll be on windows 9 if not 10.
 
2012-10-19 05:33:24 PM

Shazam999: Babwa Wawa: Dinki: OH THE HUMANITY!! How will microsoft survive on a profit of only $4.47 Billion in 3 months?

jake_lex: This is what pisses me off about corporate culture as a whole: it's not enough to be profitable

Microsoft's problem with the market is not revenue, it's industry trends. The primary driver of Microsoft's dominance (windows on the desktop/lappie) is no longer a dominant computing platform, and is trending down from where it is now.

And it's not just that. 10 years ago if I wanted to start a company that revolved around some sort of software or computing service, I'd go to the back, get a loan for a few hundred thousand dollars, and go purchase a computing infrastructure that would get me through the first couple of years. There'd be a good chance I'd build it on windows, maybe SQL server, etc. If I were to do that today, I'd take my credit card, and for $25/month get started with Amazon Web services, and grow the infrastructure with my revenue. Big win for me, but Amazon is my platform, and I'm probably running Linux and MySQL. Windows (and Microsoft) is increasingly irrelevant to me as an IT supplier (keep in mind I'm saying this as a guy who specializes in MS kit for an IT infrastructure supplier).

Nah. AWS is really, really expensive. If you want enterprise with AWS, it's incredibly expensive - Amazon wants that yummy enterprise money too. Also, they're always behind with their OS and software offerings.



It's really, really expensive *at scale.* For a startup, it's really, really cheap. Much cheaper than having to hire a couple of IT monkeys and buy a bunch of hardware.

The kinds of problems companies love to have is the "is it cheaper now to do this ourselves?" problem.
 
2012-10-19 05:35:12 PM

Lsherm: Handsome B. Wonderful: Windows 8 handles dual monitors far better than Windows 7.

Just out of curiosity, how DIDN'T Windows 7 handle dual monitors? I've never had a problem with it.


I'm on a dual monitored Win 7 system right now. My only complaint is that it's a lot of clicks to get to the setup tab.
 
2012-10-19 05:57:59 PM

madgonad: Generation_D: And if it comes up with another XBOX, there's another chance to stay relevant for another 5-10 years.

Actually, that is going to be a nasty business.

Xbox720 and PS4 are going to face off soon.

Sony will support 4K in both games and movies while Microsoft will stay at 1080p and add BD support (ooooh). If the next console standard is to last another decade - would you buy the one that DOESN'T support the new tech that will be dropping in price to fit the upper middle class at LAUNCH?

The 720 will also have a pathetically puny GPU. At least the 360 was bleeding edge at launch. The 720 will be packing a GPU that can be bought right now for $50. The 720 is a cash-grab, plain and simple. Unless Sony screws-up, they should dominate the next generation.


Hardware is less important than the games, and by making the new Xbox less-than-cutting-edge, they might actually make a profit on the hardware from day one instead of losing money on it first three years or so.
 
2012-10-19 06:04:18 PM

ghare: Windows 8 is fine, unless you're one of those "It's the year of linux on the desktop this year, for REALS!" nitwits.


No, Windows 8 is Windows Vista all over again. Linux isn't their competition; it's the previous version of Windows; IE people not upgrading to 8 from 7 like people didn't upgrade to Vista from XP. It's amazing they are still doing the "every other version of Windows sucks" thing.
 
2012-10-19 06:10:55 PM
Soo, the only reason to upgrade to this would be to wipe my system and go from 32 to 64 bit so i can get past the 2mb ram issue, which might or might not make playing a video game a little bit better.

Yeah, skipping this iteration until at least SP2 in 2 years.
 
2012-10-19 06:13:44 PM

Satanic_Hamster: You know NEED to upgrade every year or buy new machines all the time. We're got to the point where hardware has far outpaced software requirements.


Couldn't agree more. I got my first laptop in 2002, and it was just as powerful as the computer which gets the most use in my home now in 2012.
The desktop I have in the rec room is designated for my kids' homework & recreational use. It runs XP and has Office 2003. These are two of the most functional MS products ever released, and they're still more than adequate for average users like us. I bought legal copies of both when I built a desktop in 2003, and I'm still using them now. Microsoft makes some great products, but they haven't made much money off of me lately.
 
2012-10-19 06:17:56 PM

Geotpf: Hardware is less important than the games, and by making the new Xbox less-than-cutting-edge, they might actually make a profit on the hardware from day one instead of losing money on it first three years or so.


I think MS realized that for the next five years, maybe longer, consumer TVs are largely going to cap out at 1080p. You don't need a blistering video card to render a game at that resolution. I have two ATI HD 5870's in my desktop machine at home, that technology is three years old, and nothing I throw at them can make them sweat. For a standard console platform, you don't need to future proof the system - game designers work around you.
 
2012-10-19 06:34:59 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Babwa Wawa: The primary driver of Microsoft's dominance (windows on the desktop/lappie) is no longer a dominant computing platform

LOLWUT?


Like it or not, mobile devices (pads and phones) are becoming much more important to the industry and the world than laptops.

Case in point: there are hundreds of millions of migrant workers in China. Almost all of them have a cheap cell phone with internet access, mainly used to call back home to their villages. Few have computers.
 
2012-10-19 10:02:39 PM

Shazam999: No one uses mySQL for real unless they're stupid or want to kill themselves.


Lol, what?
 
2012-10-19 11:46:29 PM

ghare: Vegan Meat Popsicle: ghare: Windows 8 is fine, unless you're one of those "It's the year of linux on the desktop this year, for REALS!" nitwits.

hahahaha

No. But you enjoy fingering your computer like you're trying to pick a dingleberry out of your butthole. I'm sure it'll catch on.

In other words, you aren't very bright all, and haven't actually used windows 8, but you know it sucks.


I haven't used it. But see no reason atm to upgrade.

In two years I've bought a new hard drive. My comp does everything I need it to.
 
2012-10-20 07:00:02 AM
Meh - I don't understand all the 'ZOMG - WINDOWS 8 SUCKS' stuff.

It's primarily designed to be a tablet OS and it's really pretty good at *that*. The people who are unhappy with Windows 8 are nerds who are happy with the existing desktop environment and don't want Metro / lack of start button.

Here's the thing - desktop sales are trending down while mobile devices are trending way, way up. MS is betting that most of us will never buy another desktop; and the truth is, for non-techies, that's probably going to be true. Nobody else in my family has purchased a new desktop in over five years. They've all transitioned to mobile devices; and MS thinks the Surface with Windows 8 is going to fill the gap between laptops and tablets.

If you have a desktop - don't upgrade to Windows 8 if you don't like it. You can still use Windows 7.

This is like saying 'Micheal Jordan Sucks!' because he's not a great baseball player.

Nerds and Gamers are going to be forced to accept they're no longer the target demographic.
 
2012-10-20 09:39:43 AM
71 comments and no one has mentioned Bing and the vortex of fail which is their current marketing campaign? The "Pepsi Challenge" strategy doesn't really apply well on the search engine market.
 
2012-10-20 11:29:11 AM
i'll never know if windows 8 sucks because i'll never use it, at home anyways.

after using Linux for a few weeks about 7 years ago, i haven't looked back.
 
2012-10-20 11:32:11 AM
Monopoly$oft has no excuse since they strong arm their OEM's into selling PC's with only windblows installed. if they had to compete at the OEM level with Linux on the Desktop, they're asses would have been in trouble years ago.
 
2012-10-20 11:33:04 AM

Dinki: The world's largest software company saw its profit drop from $5.74 billion (£3.57 billion) to $4.47 billion (£2.79 billion) this quarter.

OH THE HUMANITY!! How will microsoft survive on a profit of only $4.47 Billion in 3 months?



don't worry, it will dribble away over the years. Quality always wins in the end.
 
2012-10-20 11:34:36 AM
Linux and Open Source is the Future, baby! drop your c*cks and grab your socks.
 
2012-10-20 02:01:36 PM

Rent Party: It's really, really expensive *at scale.* For a startup, it's really, really cheap. Much cheaper than having to hire a couple of IT monkeys and buy a bunch of hardware.

The kinds of problems companies love to have is the "is it cheaper now to do this ourselves?" problem.


I'm currently developing a startup and I'm using ASP.NET MVC with SQL Server. I have had many people saying "hey, why don't you use PHP" or "why don't you use MongoDB. It's free". And my simple answer is that the biggest cost to finding out if it's a good idea is the development cost, and ASP.NET MVC is really fast for development. The initial hosting diffrence is an extra £50 to rent a SQL Server DB for a year and £50 for .net hosting, and that's insignificant compared to the thousands spent on development.

At worst, if I get a million customers, I'll have to rewrite it. But I'm a realist. Odds are my idea will tank, and I'd rather spend as little as possible finding that out.
 
2012-10-20 04:55:29 PM
Is it going to take as long as XP to fix all the problems and vulnerabilities? Oh wait they're still working on that.
 
2012-10-21 04:39:41 AM

jake_lex: This is what pisses me off about corporate culture as a whole: it's not enough to be profitable, if you aren't profitable enough to satisfy some analyst somewhere, you get hammered. And that kind of thing can lead to employees losing their jobs.


This. A couple years back I was doing consulting work for one of the largest retailers in the US (hint, they really like the color orange). Come in one day to find they've fired almost all of the contractors and consultants. Apparently a few days before some analyst complained that the company's expenses were a few pennies per share higher than he'd like. As a result the stock lost a few percentage points. So they fired a ton of people to quick fix the issue. Problem is that all of those people were actually doing work and most were in the middle of projects. I can't imagine what it cost the next quarter to restart all those projects, especially since most of those with knowledge of the inner workings of each project weren't going to come back.

Luckily the company I worked for had been smart enough to make it impossible to cancel our project without paying out the expected cost but almost everyone else ended up screwed.
 
2012-10-21 06:58:40 AM

Klaumbaz: Soo, the only reason to upgrade to this would be to wipe my system and go from 32 to 64 bit so i can get past the 2mb ram issue, which might or might not make playing a video game a little bit better.

Yeah, skipping this iteration until at least SP2 in 2 years.


Are you a time traveler?
 
2012-10-21 07:08:19 AM

Lsherm: My company bought into this philosophy four years ago, and every admin got certified on Red Hat. True to form, no one bothered to check and see what our enterprise software suites actually required, so in the past four years we've deployed about 50 linux servers, all single purpose, and around 750 Windows servers. Our Oracle systems are run by five rabid Unix sysadmins who live under the sub-basement of our headquarters. Occasionally we'll open the door to their room and throw in 40 pounds of coffee and an old Hustler.

Windows is losing share, but not that fast.


Yeah, legacy systems are difficult to re-platform. For those apps, it's a hypervisor, and eventually mobility between public and private clouds.

But new apps as they come online are frequently cloud-based. Our CRM, which didn't really exist before, is salesforce. new file storage is either oxygen cloud or syncplicity. None of that is Windows.

That having been said, there are some things that will never enter the cloud. Financials, ERP, engineering, and probably a few others. New apps in those areas are being deployed on a hypervisor, The bulk of that is comprised of SAP, running on Oracle, running on Linux. Very little new Windows being deployed in the enterprise. Aside from an ITAAS initiative where we can choose to deploy sharepoint for our teams (at a cost), i'm hard pressed to name a single initiative that involves the purchase of new Microsoft licenses. Certainly there's been no major initiatives. MS has always been stronger in the mid-market, but until 5 years ago they were gaining, not losing share in the enterprise. It's worrisome.
 
2012-10-21 01:14:30 PM

Babwa Wawa: Klaumbaz: Soo, the only reason to upgrade to this would be to wipe my system and go from 32 to 64 bit so i can get past the 2mb ram issue, which might or might not make playing a video game a little bit better.

Yeah, skipping this iteration until at least SP2 in 2 years.

Are you a time traveler?


John Titor?
 
2012-10-22 09:04:29 AM

Babwa Wawa: Linux



ain't it hard when businesses discovered that
monopoly$oft windows
wasn't where its at.


Linux is the Future.
 
2012-10-22 09:06:29 AM

ghare: Windows 8 is fine, unless you're one of those "It's the year of linux on the desktop this year, for REALS!" nitwits.



if you knew the growth rates of Linux around the World compared to Monopoly$oft, you wouldn't snicker so much...................
 
2012-10-22 09:07:11 AM

protectyourlimbs: Buy... it will get a surge in profits soon...

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oh, look. a bubble gum machine. thanks for the gumball!
 
2012-10-22 09:57:00 AM

Linux_Yes: Babwa Wawa: Linux


ain't it hard when businesses discovered that
monopoly$oft windows
wasn't where its at.


Linux is the Future.


1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

/Yawn
 
2012-10-22 10:50:38 AM

Linux_Yes: protectyourlimbs: Buy... it will get a surge in profits soon...

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oh, look. a bubble gum machine. thanks for the gumball!


oh look, someone who misses the irony in their own name when responding to a comment... so sales and profit only relate to actual usefulness of the product itself I am taking it?
 
2012-10-22 12:29:04 PM

EngineerAU: Linux_Yes: Babwa Wawa: Linux


ain't it hard when businesses discovered that
monopoly$oft windows
wasn't where its at.


Linux is the Future.

1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

/Yawn



Firstly, the Future is in no hurry, as History has always shown.

Secondly, Linux is growing around the world at a much faster rate on Servers, Data centers, Supercomputing (where it runs 95% of the fastest computers in the world), and on mobile devices (Android).

the only place Linux lags in on the Desktop which is where Monopoly$oft has a nice little racket going with the OEM's by forcing them to install only Windblows on their PC's.

but that too shall pass.

nice try, but you didn't look into the details far enough to see your mistake.
 
2012-10-22 12:32:32 PM

protectyourlimbs: Linux_Yes: protectyourlimbs: Buy... it will get a surge in profits soon...

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oh, look. a bubble gum machine. thanks for the gumball!

oh look, someone who misses the irony in their own name when responding to a comment... so sales and profit only relate to actual usefulness of the product itself I am taking it?



no. i just found it funny that Monopoly$soft put a nice new face on their OS, yet ignoring the fundemental design problems under the hood. to be fair, they have improved some, but won't be able to catch up with Linux.

unless you're into gaming.
 
2012-10-22 04:52:14 PM

Linux_Yes: no. i just found it funny that Monopoly$soft put a nice new face on their OS, yet ignoring the fundemental design problems under the hood. to be fair, they have improved some, but won't be able to catch up with Linux.


I agree that Linux is usually a better choice in the server space, and for devices with highly limited resources. But which fundamental under-the-hood designs are you referring to, specifically? Windows has come a long way since the days of non-preemptive multitasking and nonexistent security.
 
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