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2012-10-19 11:21:34 AM
At this rate, my "Nuke everyone on Reddit" solution may have to extend to Fark...

/Holy crap, some of the derp in the past two threads
 
2012-10-19 11:21:51 AM

loonatic112358: yes I am aware of that, i was trying to explain to another poster who's probably familiar with fark, but also new to reddit what the hell is going on by using fark as a shiatty analog


I was just clarifying for the general populous.
 
Sorry if it came out poorly.
 
2012-10-19 11:25:45 AM

UNC_Samurai: Nobody has come off looking good in this whole mess. Not Violentacrez, not Adrien Chen, not the subreddits that decided to self-righteously boycott Gawker sites, and not Gawker and their pants-on-head-retarded news formatting, and certainly not the outside media trying to report on this entire nonsense.

The bottom line is:

VA didn't do anything illegal, he's just an industrial-grade creep and pervert.

Chen now has a name for himself because of a bunch of useless drama.

Gawker got more hits to their website.

r/shiatredditsays is still a worthless group of self-aggrandizing trolls

r/subredditdrama can't make popcorn fast enough

People on Fark biatching about Reddit and people on Reddit biatching about fark both need to get the ever-loving fark over themselves.


A lot of people made money off of him.
 
2012-10-19 11:26:18 AM

Barricaded Gunman: Bookmark so I can review Fluffy's link.


Oh yeah, that Gawker link. Awesome voyeurism stuff. It's amazing how good Gawker is at posting photos of naked celebrities without their consent. Did you see the hulk hogan sex tape? I'm amazed Bubba's wife could walk after that. Who needs /r/creepshots when you've got Gawker/upskirt
 
2012-10-19 11:27:11 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: A lot of the people bashing on this guy would absolutely sh*t their own pants if their identities were outted. I'm sure the response would be "b-b-b-but I did nothing illegal, I don't deserve this!"...and then, maybe reality will dawn on them...


Conversely, alot of people who are supporting him would be utterly aghast if people they interacted with face to face found out that they support things like r/jailbait and r/picsofdeadjailbait. "But it's free speech, Mom!"
 
2012-10-19 11:27:14 AM

Fear_and_Loathing: I was just clarifying for the general populous.   Sorry if it came out poorly.


we need to stop, we're starting to sound canadian
 
2012-10-19 11:28:17 AM

willfullyobscure: UNC_Samurai:

VA didn't do anything illegal, he's just an industrial-grade creep and pervert.

Chen now has a name for himself because of a bunch of useless drama.

Gawker got more hits to their website.


Adrian Chen already has a name for himself; I'm not sure you really appreciate how big the Gawker media property really is. Hint: he's got more name recognition than 98% of all cable news personalities today and a bigger audience to boot. If you stopped 50 random people on the streets of New York City today, its 50/50 they'd know who Shep Smith or Sam Donaldson are. I guarantee they'd recognize Chen.


I still have no idea who he is...
 
2012-10-19 11:30:26 AM

willfullyobscure: Adrian Chen already has a name for himself; I'm not sure you really appreciate how big the Gawker media property really is. Hint: he's got more name recognition than 98% of all cable news personalities today and a bigger audience to boot. If you stopped 50 random people on the streets of New York City today, its 50/50 they'd know who Shep Smith or Sam Donaldson are. I guarantee they'd recognize Chen.


ROFL. I think we just found Adrian Chen's FARK handle.

/So how's the cancer?
 
2012-10-19 11:34:20 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: LowbrowDeluxe: But the rest of the poutrage and hysterics are asinine.

Outside of the people he trolled on reddit, the only people that seem to be having a hysterical fit are all the idiots who are so terribly upset that he got the comeuppance he brought on himself.


They're scared. If this guy, an internet asshat giant and a model of who they wish they could be, is being forced to face the consequences of his actions then that means that they, lowly internet asshats, aren't safe either. It's a sobering, hard slap of a wake up call.
 
2012-10-19 11:35:59 AM

KiplingKat872: C. Actually, the hypocrisy comes from the people who claim that women in public have no personal boundaries or right oto privacy, yet it is wrong to out someone identity on the internet which is also a public place.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-19 11:41:27 AM

KiplingKat872: B.And many pics taken by the people who participate don that board, such as the high school teacher in Georgia who was taking pictures of his students and posting them.

A. Pictures posted on Facebook belong to Facebook. They are not in open domain. He had no legal right to steal pics from there.


Violating facebook's legal policy is a different issue, one that almost nobody cares about other than facebook's legal team. It is not about exploiting minors.
 
2012-10-19 11:42:20 AM

Teiritzamna: KrispyKritter: this guy having his life ruined is hypocrite bullshiat. plenty of sites offer what his corner of reddit offered. reddit didn't mind because they are a large site willing to please as many as possible. posters that compare his stuff to a paedo are ignorant. non-nude jailbait pics are not paedo fare, grow up. and there are plenty of sites on the internet that have all sorts of objectionable trash, you know it, i know it. this fat bastard didn't have a corner on the market. its not right his life is being ripped to pieces. i feel bad for the jerk. i wouldn't want it to happen to you or to me.

Once again - if you like what VA did, if you feel he is a cool guy - that is your right as an American. You can scrape together money to give him a job so he can keep doing what you like.

It appears, however, the vast majority of people don't like what he does. Why should they be forced to think otherwise?


Despite popular Belief, that many people can be wrong.

The point of defending people(whether you like them or not is irrelevant[though is does clarify the point when you don't agree wit them]) or critiquing consequences, is that it's demonstrative of a sense of civility that goes beyond self, something that's been on the decline lately, despite everyone's supposed love of freedom.

Taste and Morality should never be a democracy. The US was sort of founded on that idea.

I asked in the last thread and I will here too, why do you people hate freedom?

We're not advocating agreeing with what one posts, only respecting his right to do so.

Gay rights advocates don't all want to convince other's that gay sex is the best(though there are some loud outliers that do just that), only that they should be tolerated and treated fairly by society and their employer based on what they do on the job, not what they do legally with their private lives.
 
2012-10-19 11:45:14 AM

ModernLuddite: ///I'm just saying that internet != real life.


There's a life outside the internet?
(Also, damnit, this thread again...)
 
2012-10-19 11:47:33 AM

omeganuepsilon: Derp.


Oh look, you again. Equating his self-outing and the consequences to gay rights.

You are despicable.
 
2012-10-19 11:50:24 AM

gulogulo: omeganuepsilon: Derp.

Oh look, you again. Equating his self-outing and the consequences to gay rights.

You are despicable.


Seriously.

I'd tie it to Muslim fanaticism.

A 14 year old girl was shot in the head recently because of the moral outrage she caused by speaking her mind about the blasphemous idea of education for women.

How long till we get there too?
 
2012-10-19 11:52:09 AM

fluffy2097: A 14 year old girl was shot in the head recently because of the moral outrage she caused by speaking her mind about the blasphemous idea of education for women.


Way to cheapen her by comparing her to this douche. He's not getting shot at. NO ONE is advocating murdering him.

You are a troll.
 
2012-10-19 11:52:17 AM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy oh and THIS

KiplingKat872: C. Actually, the hypocrisy comes from the people who claim that women in public have no personal boundaries or right oto privacy, yet it is wrong to out someone identity on the internet which is also a public place.

 
2012-10-19 11:53:51 AM
Reddit is entertaining but the majority of users on there are as dumb as sack of door knobs. Worse than Fark if you can imagine that. :)
 
2012-10-19 11:55:56 AM

Teiritzamna: fluffy2097: Somebody has to stir the pot or the bottom overcooks and the top is raw.

Ah - good old stage four of a fark meltdown.

1) make a somewhat questionable assertion
2) respond to questions from posters regarding that assertion with increasingly wacky answers
3) turn entire thread into a discussion of what drug you might be on
4) say "ha! It was always my plan to cause all this controversy. you know, for entertainment. really. I mean it."
5) (if flailing meltdown is epic enough) become fark meme

/has to be at the marine core in 26 minutes


This post was exceedingly entertaining, and I will be stealing it for future use.



DrewCurtisJr: KiplingKat872: Anyone who posted candid pics of minors from California for his "jailbait' board broke state law and I doubt that he would win any civil suit brought against him by the parents of child exploited in such a manner, no matter what state it was in.

Where did he get these jailbait picks, says many of them were "stolen", aka copied from facebook profiles. You going to charge the people who originally posted them on facebook? One families beach vacation pics are another persons fap materials.


Ya, I have a 5 month old daughter and I am currently formulating my plan to prevent her from ever discovering that the internet exists. One of the recurring issues is how to stop my plan from gloriously self-destructing in the most horrible way possible.
 
2012-10-19 12:04:21 PM
I am not siding with the perv, but fark Gawker(gizmodo) with their pro-Apple anti-Microsoft spin.
 
2012-10-19 12:07:00 PM

KiplingKat872: What this man was about exploiting minors and he had no legal or ethical/moral right to take those pictures from Facebook and pervert their intent.


You originally wrote, "Anyone who posted candid pics of minors from California for his "jailbait' board broke state law", I'm questioning whether context is applicable if some re-posts are pictures "safe" enough to be facebook and in many cases uploaded by the subject or the subject's family.
 
2012-10-19 12:10:49 PM

omeganuepsilon: I asked in the last thread and I will here too, why do you people hate freedom?

We're not advocating agreeing with what one posts, only respecting his right to do so.


He has a perfect right to post whatever he wants to post. So does Adrian Chen.
 
2012-10-19 12:11:39 PM
I don't think there's a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet, especially for someone who interacts with the Reddit community IRL as well as online. Something that most people learn early on is that there are often consequences to your actions, and if you go about being a total dick, chances are someone's going to call you on it. Gawker didn't out random people, they outed someone who gets off on the misery of others. I say good on Gawker for dox'ing the guy, maybe it'll remind people that the internet isn't anonymous.
 
2012-10-19 12:11:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: God dammit. Just admit that you farked up and be a man about it! Stop being a douche.


I'm not sorry to say that I can't feel for either group. The guy is a farking troll, and he posted nasty stuff. Welcome to the Intarwebs. Would you like a tissue?

Same goes for him, he posted crap that offended people. Boo-freaking-hoo that it caught up with you in real life. Would you like a tissue?
 
2012-10-19 12:11:48 PM

omeganuepsilon: Teiritzamna: KrispyKritter: this guy having his life ruined is hypocrite bullshiat. plenty of sites offer what his corner of reddit offered. reddit didn't mind because they are a large site willing to please as many as possible. posters that compare his stuff to a paedo are ignorant. non-nude jailbait pics are not paedo fare, grow up. and there are plenty of sites on the internet that have all sorts of objectionable trash, you know it, i know it. this fat bastard didn't have a corner on the market. its not right his life is being ripped to pieces. i feel bad for the jerk. i wouldn't want it to happen to you or to me.

Once again - if you like what VA did, if you feel he is a cool guy - that is your right as an American. You can scrape together money to give him a job so he can keep doing what you like.

It appears, however, the vast majority of people don't like what he does. Why should they be forced to think otherwise?

Despite popular Belief, that many people can be wrong.

The point of defending people(whether you like them or not is irrelevant[though is does clarify the point when you don't agree wit them]) or critiquing consequences, is that it's demonstrative of a sense of civility that goes beyond self, something that's been on the decline lately, despite everyone's supposed love of freedom.

Taste and Morality should never be a democracy. The US was sort of founded on that idea.

I asked in the last thread and I will here too, why do you people hate freedom?

We're not advocating agreeing with what one posts, only respecting his right to do so.

Gay rights advocates don't all want to convince other's that gay sex is the best(though there are some loud outliers that do just that), only that they should be tolerated and treated fairly by society and their employer based on what they do on the job, not what they do legally with their private lives.


And once again, in response to your position, why do you hate everyone else's freedom of opinion - to wit, their feeling that this guy is a creeper?

If you will note, above i have discussed that at no point has VA's rights been infringed. Assuming, arguendo, that he does not break the law, then he has 100% the right to post what he wants on the internet, or say what he wants on the street. Under the constitution i would defend his right to say awful things till the cows come home. However, everyone has rights. As has been stated ad infinitum, saying that he gets the right to say whatever he wants, but that no one else has the right to a) dislike him for it or b) not want to associate with him for it is not supporting freedom, it is in fact supporting the argument that only people you agree with get rights.

As to the gay rights advocate argument, i would assume your analogy would be more correct if we assume that Alice is a lesbian. Alice works for Bob. Alice is a diligent worker. Alice also runs a website called deadbreeders.org which displays 100% legal crime scene pics of head heterosexual couples and 100% legal lesbian porn. Bob finds out about Alice's website when a local news story indicates that Alice is the site runner. Bob fires Alice.

This is the analogous scenario because VA did not to something "private" he was involved in the wide distribution of materials to many many people in a public forum. Bob is not firing Alice because she is gay, an immutable factor of who she is - he is firing her because she made public statements that would reflect badly on Bob's company.

There is no right to be protected from the dislike of others; freedom does not mean all others must do what you want.
 
2012-10-19 12:15:22 PM
Why is this in the geek section? Is that where the pedophiles hang out?
 
2012-10-19 12:24:33 PM

Toy_Cop: Reddit is entertaining but the majority of users on there are as dumb as sack of door knobs. Worse than Fark if you can imagine that. :)


THIS
 
2012-10-19 12:30:09 PM

KiplingKat872: And Facebook policy states that the accounts of minors are locked down to "friends only," so how did he get those pics?


You just made several posts about people misusing pictures in violation of facebook's policy and then question how other user's using facebook and violating policy? 9 times out of 10 kids know more about facebook than the parents.

KiplingKat872: Yes, they broke both California state law that prohibits the use of pictures of minors without the consent of a legal guardian and Facebook's copyright laws.


So when a teen takes a picture of herself and her friends and posts it on the internet she is breaking the law because she doesn't have the consent of her friends parents?
 
2012-10-19 12:37:29 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: TV's Vinnie: God dammit. Just admit that you farked up and be a man about it! Stop being a douche.

He's obviously Republican, as they don't apologize for anything.

In truth, he's just milking this for everything it's worth. I'm confident he has an Internet Addiction, and he somehow thinks he's gone meta with his posts and is 'popular' in real life now. Some trolls will try to spin everything going on into a troll attempt. Somewhere in his brain, he's honest in his belief he's some kind of hero and has brought 'it' up a notch. What 'it' is is anybody's guess, but he needs help. He doesn't think what he has done is wrong, and is only remorseful he doesn't get paid to ignore work and post on Reddit anymore.

He's a hypocrite! Now, if you'll excuse me, there's a thread in the Politics I need to get back to.


I didn't realize thing was a political thing.
 
2012-10-19 12:38:14 PM

ModernLuddite: As someone who only went on Reddit like 5 minutes ago for the first time, I am having a hard time understanding this situation.

To me, it just sounds like one of those internet dramas that only users of a specific forum get into has spilled out into the real world. Please correct me, though.

//I'm not saying he doesn't sound like an idiot.
///I'm just saying that internet != real life.




You should do some more reading...
 
2012-10-19 12:39:10 PM

James!: ghostwind: ChrisDe: " I was playing to an audience of college kids"

There's no way the average age of reddit readers is college kids. Mid-teen, maybe.

What is reddit, again?

It's kind of like Fark for pedophiles.


Now that I think about it, we've been saying this for years, haven't we?
Turns out it was true... I'll be damned.
 
2012-10-19 12:42:30 PM

ghostwind: ChrisDe: " I was playing to an audience of college kids"

There's no way the average age of reddit readers is college kids. Mid-teen, maybe.

What is reddit, again?


/b/-lite
 
2012-10-19 12:49:59 PM

KiplingKat872: I'm not sure how that works, you will have ot ask a lawyer, but it certainly does not give this guy the legal right to take those pics and post them to "jailbait" board without the consent of their legal guardian. That argument boarders on "she asked for it."


I'm not sure how that works either, that's why I asked the question. I'm saying anyone asked for it, I'm questioning if the same picture, when moved from facebook to jailbait could turn from family digital photo album to child exploitation.


So, what it your point? This guy violated Facebook policy by using pictures of minors with facebook's legal consent, and if these accounts are accessible to the public, Facebook has some big problems to correct.


You questioned how these people get the photos because facebook policies in place, I'm saying that it may be a slight possibility that a minor or two may be violating facebook policies. What kind of age verification does fb do when you open an account? Does it just ask you to enter your D.O.B.?
 
2012-10-19 01:31:59 PM

ModernLuddite: As someone who only went on Reddit like 5 minutes ago for the first time, I am having a hard time understanding this situation.

To me, it just sounds like one of those internet dramas that only users of a specific forum get into has spilled out into the real world. Please correct me, though.

//I'm not saying he doesn't sound like an idiot.
///I'm just saying that internet != real life.


This is sorta' how I thought of it.

From what I've gathered so far, he is a scumbag, smut peddler. Not a new thing on the interwebs.*

and...

a 1/10 troll. With his M/O being: spouting vile crap a teenage boy might come up with.*

So the story seems a bit overblown IMHO.

*- Also of note: reddit seems to be a free for all, and the stuff he posted had to be specifically sought after.
 
2012-10-19 01:52:38 PM
The Rape Culture made him do it. How could he resist?
 
2012-10-19 02:09:06 PM

KiplingKat872: Are you truly suggesting that the minors in these photos are somehow responsible for this guy taking them and distributing them for the purposes of sexual gratification?

That's sick.


I'm saying these minors may be getting around facebook policies using various methods to circumvent parental controls.


KiplingKat872: BTW - Facebook does ask you to enter a DOB.


My mistake, certainly no way around that kind of verification.

KiplingKat872: ...wow, that's some serious derpitude right there. Pedophiles like to jerk off to family pictures of children, does that mean that the family is at fault?


Why are you hung up on fault? You are the one who claimed the posters would be violating some state law for posting candid pictures of minors.
 
2012-10-19 02:10:02 PM
From what I have read so far it seems that he wasn't into that sort of stuff but rather just became a moderator for the people who were.
 
2012-10-19 02:11:55 PM
You know, I didn't think the "Think of the children" garbage could get any worse after the reaction of "nuke the city from orbit" we got from Sandusky. But yet here we are.
 
2012-10-19 02:12:34 PM
Wow.. Talk about a stereotype look.. LOL fat fark..
 
2012-10-19 02:43:48 PM

HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: No. Point out someone who said he did do something illegal.

Everyone calling him a pedophile is accusing him of illegal acts.

Being a pedophile is illegal.

Jesus Christ you're denser then lead.

No, being a pedophile is not illegal. Having sex with children is illegal, but if you're a pedophile who never actually acts on his urges, you've done nothing illegal.

And if I'm denser than lead, you must be denser than a black freaking hole.


You are not entirely correct. Child porn is illegal. Even if you have never had sex with a child, if you collect child porn, you are a pedophile.
 
2012-10-19 02:55:42 PM

SundaesChild: You are not entirely correct. Child porn is illegal. Even if you have never had sex with a child, if you collect child porn, you are a pedophile.


If you get caught with child pornography you will be charged with possession and maybe distribution of child pornography. You won't be charged with being a pedophile, it doesn't matter if you are or not. You may be in possession of it because you sell it.
 
2012-10-19 02:56:24 PM

Aquadyne: whole lot of a bullshiat is what this is. this guy didnt do anything illegal


He's also not getting prosecuted for anything.

It's not illegal to fark around on your wife, but that doesn't mean you can do it without any repercussions.

Trolls crave attention, and he finally got more than he can handle.
 
2012-10-19 02:58:16 PM

UNC_Samurai: People on Fark biatching about Reddit and people on Reddit biatching about fark both need to get the ever-loving fark over themselves.


Perhaps a Farker biatching about Fark biatcing about Reddit and biatching about Reddit biatching about Fark needs to start with himself.
 
2012-10-19 02:58:25 PM

DrewCurtisJr: SundaesChild: You are not entirely correct. Child porn is illegal. Even if you have never had sex with a child, if you collect child porn, you are a pedophile.

If you get caught with child pornography you will be charged with possession and maybe distribution of child pornography. You won't be charged with being a pedophile, it doesn't matter if you are or not. You may be in possession of it because you sell it.


Okay, but he was saying if you haven't had sex with a child then you've done nothing illegal. Which is not true.
 
2012-10-19 03:01:03 PM

SundaesChild: DrewCurtisJr: SundaesChild: You are not entirely correct. Child porn is illegal. Even if you have never had sex with a child, if you collect child porn, you are a pedophile.

If you get caught with child pornography you will be charged with possession and maybe distribution of child pornography. You won't be charged with being a pedophile, it doesn't matter if you are or not. You may be in possession of it because you sell it.

Okay, but he was saying if you haven't had sex with a child then you've done nothing illegal. Which is not necessarily true.


FTFM
 
2012-10-19 03:19:23 PM
UNC_Samurai
People on Fark biatching about Reddit and people on Reddit biatching about fark both need to get the ever-loving fark over themselves.

farking this. I've been a Farker longer than 97% of the people commenting here, and I'll be the first to tell you that Fark isn't as good as Reddit anymore... which isn't saying much. 4-5 years ago Fark was the place to be, but the upsurge in the internet's troll population has hit this place really badly. It used to be that stupid posters and trolls were too intimidated to comment here... not the case these days. As you can see.

Fact is that there's basically no open public forum on the English-speaking internet that is worth a damn anymore. The powers that be have finally figured out effective ways to quash it themselves or convince us to do it for them.

/most of the anti-reddit farkers here are probably actually goons
//...speaking of the worst place on the internet...
 
2012-10-19 03:22:20 PM
I don't care much whether what he did was legal or not. Nor have i ever heard of this guy until a few days ago. However it seems to me he was/is an asshole in real life and he cranked that knob up to 11 while on the internet as he enjoyed making people mad.

So he took pleasure in making people mad when he thought no-one knew who he was and didn't have to face any consequences. Now that someone outted him it sounds like I should feel sorry for him ... nope can't do it. Something about reaping what you sow springs to mind.
 
2012-10-19 03:25:14 PM

UNC_Samurai: People on Fark biatching about Reddit and people on Reddit biatching about fark both need to get the ever-loving fark over themselves.


Screw that I'll just go to SA to complain about both.
 
2012-10-19 03:26:13 PM

douchebag/hater: HST's Dead Carcass: TV's Vinnie: God dammit. Just admit that you farked up and be a man about it! Stop being a douche.

He's obviously Republican, as they don't apologize for anything..

Your immaturity and knowledge of competing political views is appalling.

And this:

Grow the fark up, NOT EVERY thing is about politics.
But then since your candidate is losing your immature anger on this issue is almost understandable.


Way to read the full comment there, asstard.
 
2012-10-19 03:26:54 PM

A Terrible Human: Screw that I'll just go to SA to complain about both.



you plan to take a digg at them?
 
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