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2012-10-19 09:38:07 AM

fluffy2097: Hey look. It's the guy who was in charge of removing illegal content from creepy subreddits.

Hey look, he's got bad taste. Lets burn him alive, because we all know nobody ever tells lies on the internet, and if he's removing illegal content he must be a pedophile.

And so the which hunt goes on.

We should ban pictures of Muhammad as well. They are creepy and offensive to Muslims, and since we're now banning anything anyone doesn't like, well, we might as well start with the stuff that people get murdered over, like images of Muhammad.


cdn.uproxx.com

Nice spin on the "oh, he was JUST removing illegal content." So, are YOU a frequent visitor of his sites? Why, or why not? And I'll pose the same question to you as I did up there. Hypothetically, if you were, would you have no problem openly admitting it to anyone and everyone that you enjoyed /jailbait /chokeabiatch /n*ggerbait , etc.? 

Keep in mind, no one is advocating ILLEGAL THINGS BE DONE TO HIM.
 
2012-10-19 09:39:38 AM

gulogulo:

Keep in mind, no one is advocating ILLEGAL THINGS BE DONE TO HIM.


Calling him a pedophile is libel. He isn't one or he'd be under arrest.

Since we are now holding people legally responsible for their actions online....
 
2012-10-19 09:39:44 AM

gulogulo: UNC_Samurai: People on Fark biatching about Reddit and people on Reddit biatching about fark both need to get the ever-loving fark over themselves.

I don't care about reddit. I care that a creep pervert got his comeuppance. Why do you and others keeping on bringing up that it's not illegal? Very people who are happy with this outcome are making that claim.


I never said he didn't deserve the mess he was in. If you want to look on the internet for freaky shiat, that's your business, but if you go around making a big deal about yourself, then you open yourself up to the ramifications of your decisions. It sucks that he lost his job, and the health insurance that his wife really needed, but that's his own damn fault for not thinking about the consequences.

And I bring up that fact that he didn't commit a crime because he did not commit a crime. It's possible to understand that you can be the biggest creep and pervert in the world without committing a crime. Yes, he walked a tightrope over what was legal with r/jailbait, and in the end what got that subreddit shot down was other users private messaging each other links to kiddie porn.
 
2012-10-19 09:39:45 AM

Aquadyne: whole lot of a bullshiat is what this is. this guy didnt do anything illegal


Who said he did anything illegal?
 
2012-10-19 09:40:30 AM

fluffy2097: willfullyobscure: Adrian Chen already has a name for himself; I'm not sure you really appreciate how big the Gawker media property really is. Hint: he's got more name recognition than 98% of all cable news personalities today and a bigger audience to boot. If you stopped 50 random people on the streets of New York City today, its 50/50 they'd know who Shep Smith or Sam Donaldson are. I guarantee they'd recognize Chen.

Chen made a name for himself when he pretended to have cancer.

And when he put up a website so people could stalk celebrities.

also. Gawkers upskirt website. Dedicated to taking pictures of a woman's pussy. No, Gawker and Chen aren't creepy at all.


See my previous post concerning the court of public opinion and celebrities. Note that I don't find that any better, but your argument of "but they do it too!" doesn't make what he did any better.
 
2012-10-19 09:41:10 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: So you wouldn't mind explaining to a group of actual Winos why you've chosen to apparently take their name in humorous reference (or chosen it at all)?


It was my nickname. "The Wino Rhino." I used to run a lot of long distance races (marathons, ultra-relays, etc) and was usually somewhat cavalier about getting good amounts of pre-race rest. We'd typically travel to other states to do these runs and I would stay up really late out on the town the night before runs getting my drink on. I am also larger in build than your average runner, but still pretty fast. Kinda like a rhino. Someone put the two together one time and it stuck.

So true-to-life as my fark handle is, your counter argument is still idiotic.
 
2012-10-19 09:41:22 AM

digistil: Who said he did anything illegal?


Anyone who isn't on the think of the children bandwagon.

If SRS could have gone to the police about what he did, because he did do illegal things, they would have.
 
2012-10-19 09:41:30 AM

UNC_Samurai: VA didn't do anything illegal, he's just an industrial-grade creep and pervert.


And the backlash he's suffering isn't criminal, it's social.

I don't get why you people think the legality of this has anything to do with anything. It doesn't matter of if it was legal, it's severely morally wrong, it was exploitative of innocent people and it was socially unacceptable. He knew this. He knew that if his cover was blown there would be consequences. He chose to do it anyway and, more importantly to your whining about Gawker, he chose to do it in a way that made a lot of people very angry at him and greatly increased the odds that someone would seek him out and expose him.

It's bad enough if you're going to to choose to crawl around in the filth on the underbelly of the internet, but you REALLY lose any possible sympathy for your self-imposed plight if you choose to try and force your crap on everyone else just to piss them off.

He chose to be a vile, exploitative asshole and he chose to make people angry and draw intense attention to himself. The only person in any of this that looks bad is the guy who is bad and the guy who enjoyed the attention for being bad right up until all the scrutiny he chose to bring to himself had negative consequences.

This is akin to someone dancing around naked on the center median of the highway and biatching and whining that people keep looking at you. If you don't want scrutiny, don't do shiat that attracts attention or at the very least don't make it a POINT to draw as much attention to what you're doing as you possibly can.
 
2012-10-19 09:42:57 AM
I'm so glad Fark doesn't have a creepy porn dark side like these other sites.
 
2012-10-19 09:43:13 AM

fluffy2097: Calling him a pedophile is libel. He isn't one or he'd be under arrest.


Well, I'm sure he can sue the pants off of people who called him a pedophile, and he can take his case to court. He would be within his rights to.

But that wasn't the example you used. You were talking about actual violence.
 
2012-10-19 09:43:28 AM

WinoRhino: Using semaphore you call the people on the other boat all sorts of rude names.


How do you call someone a motherfarker using semaphore, asking for a friend.

/I agree with the salient parts of your post, BTW, well put!
 
2012-10-19 09:44:02 AM

gulogulo: See my previous post concerning the court of public opinion and celebrities. Note that I don't find that any better, but your argument of "but they do it too!" doesn't make what he did any better.


tu quoque - the last bastion of the troll. See, e.g., the Republican Party

/sorry too much time in the politics tab
 
2012-10-19 09:44:27 AM

fluffy2097: digistil: Who said he did anything illegal?

Anyone who isn't on the think of the children bandwagon.


Point one out.
 
2012-10-19 09:44:39 AM

willfullyobscure: UNC_Samurai:

VA didn't do anything illegal, he's just an industrial-grade creep and pervert.

Chen now has a name for himself because of a bunch of useless drama.

Gawker got more hits to their website.


Adrian Chen already has a name for himself; I'm not sure you really appreciate how big the Gawker media property really is. Hint: he's got more name recognition than 98% of all cable news personalities today and a bigger audience to boot. If you stopped 50 random people on the streets of New York City today, its 50/50 they'd know who Shep Smith or Sam Donaldson are. I guarantee they'd recognize Chen.


Yes, I'm aware of how big Gawker is - but for the life of me I can't understand why it's still a big deal. They make their bread and butter off of cheap yellow journalism. As much as I enjoy Deadspin, they made their name off of a sex boat scandal, a line Chris Berman dropped picking up a woman in a bar, and pictures of Matt Leinart in a hot tub. They're essentially a geekier, more passive version of TMZ.
 
2012-10-19 09:45:11 AM

candiru.fish: How do you call someone a motherfarker using semaphore, asking for a friend.


http://www.wxs.ca/applets/semaphore/
 
2012-10-19 09:46:10 AM

HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: digistil: Who said he did anything illegal?

Anyone who isn't on the think of the children bandwagon.

Point one out.


The police said he did nothing wrong. Or he'd be under arrest.

I'm not sure how I can make that any clearer.
 
2012-10-19 09:46:53 AM

UNC_Samurai: but for the life of me I can't understand why it's still a big deal.


Given the world we live in, with its honey boo boos, and justin beibers and real housewives of who the fark cares, i figure attempting to determine why something is popular tends to devolve to:

a) its awsome!

or

b) we all suck as a species.

it tends to be one of the two
 
2012-10-19 09:47:19 AM

candiru.fish: How do you call someone a motherfarker using semaphore, asking for a friend.


It involves 4 flags and some weird thrusting maneuvers.
 
2012-10-19 09:47:56 AM

Teiritzamna: http://www.wxs.ca/applets/semaphore/


My friend says thank you!
 
2012-10-19 09:48:15 AM
He should have hidden behind seven proxies.
 
2012-10-19 09:48:42 AM

KrispyKritter: this guy having his life ruined is hypocrite bullshiat. plenty of sites offer what his corner of reddit offered. reddit didn't mind because they are a large site willing to please as many as possible. posters that compare his stuff to a paedo are ignorant. non-nude jailbait pics are not paedo fare, grow up. and there are plenty of sites on the internet that have all sorts of objectionable trash, you know it, i know it. this fat bastard didn't have a corner on the market. its not right his life is being ripped to pieces. i feel bad for the jerk. i wouldn't want it to happen to you or to me.


I don't pretend or assume anonymity on the Internet. I don't post pictures sexualizing children. I'm pretty sure I'm okay.
 
2012-10-19 09:48:57 AM
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"I was just following orders"
 
2012-10-19 09:49:56 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: UNC_Samurai: VA didn't do anything illegal, he's just an industrial-grade creep and pervert.

And the backlash he's suffering isn't criminal, it's social.

I don't get why you people think the legality of this has anything to do with anything. It doesn't matter of if it was legal, it's severely morally wrong, it was exploitative of innocent people and it was socially unacceptable. He knew this. He knew that if his cover was blown there would be consequences. He chose to do it anyway and, more importantly to your whining about Gawker, he chose to do it in a way that made a lot of people very angry at him and greatly increased the odds that someone would seek him out and expose him.

It's bad enough if you're going to to choose to crawl around in the filth on the underbelly of the internet, but you REALLY lose any possible sympathy for your self-imposed plight if you choose to try and force your crap on everyone else just to piss them off.

He chose to be a vile, exploitative asshole and he chose to make people angry and draw intense attention to himself. The only person in any of this that looks bad is the guy who is bad and the guy who enjoyed the attention for being bad right up until all the scrutiny he chose to bring to himself had negative consequences.

This is akin to someone dancing around naked on the center median of the highway and biatching and whining that people keep looking at you. If you don't want scrutiny, don't do shiat that attracts attention or at the very least don't make it a POINT to draw as much attention to what you're doing as you possibly can.


First of all, I'm not whining about Gawker. I'm just saying what everyone else knows - their site is bad and they should feel bad.

And I've never said he doesn't deserve the mess he's gotten himself into. What I'm trying to say is that nobody in this story has much in the way of redeeming qualities.

My only real complaint is when people on Fark start an anti-Reddit circlejerk. People with glass Politics Tabs shouldn't throw stones.
 
2012-10-19 09:50:06 AM
You know who else sexualizes children and nobody cares about? TLC.

whinesisters.com

These people make money though, so they aren't creepy pedophiles. Lets glorify their lives.
 
2012-10-19 09:50:58 AM

Teiritzamna: UNC_Samurai: but for the life of me I can't understand why it's still a big deal.

Given the world we live in, with its honey boo boos, and justin beibers and real housewives of who the fark cares, i figure attempting to determine why something is popular tends to devolve to:

a) its awsome!

or

b) we all suck as a species.

it tends to be one of the two


We need a "Sad but True" button.
 
2012-10-19 09:51:29 AM

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: digistil: Who said he did anything illegal?

Anyone who isn't on the think of the children bandwagon.

Point one out.

The police said he did nothing wrong. Or he'd be under arrest.

I'm not sure how I can make that any clearer.


No. Point out someone who said he did do something illegal.

"Illegal" and "wrong" are not synonyms.
 
2012-10-19 09:52:30 AM

fluffy2097: You know who else sexualizes children and nobody cares about? TLC.


A lot of people care. A lot of people find it despicable. But the parents consent to this, and society has determined that these particular set of circumstances are ok.

And you've never answered my question. Would you tell people close to you in your life you frequented boards like /jailbait /chokeabiatch /rapebait etc.?
 
2012-10-19 09:52:45 AM

HeartBurnKid: No. Point out someone who said he did do something illegal.


Everyone calling him a pedophile is accusing him of illegal acts.

Being a pedophile is illegal.

Jesus Christ you're denser then lead.
 
2012-10-19 09:53:30 AM

fluffy2097: Everyone calling him a pedophile is accusing him of illegal acts.


He's asking you for specifics.
 
2012-10-19 09:53:45 AM

HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: digistil: Who said he did anything illegal?

Anyone who isn't on the think of the children bandwagon.

Point one out.


A few people on this this thread have claimed that some of what he did was illegal when he posted pics himself. But generally most people have been walking a line by saying "Potentially illegal" or "possibly illegal" rather than outright stating that he did anything illegal.

Me, I'm quite happy that he's getting treated this way. No sympathy for him in the least. About the only thing that would bring me onto his side is if what he did turned out to be perfectly legal (if morally reprehensible) and the government decided to get involved to prosecute him anyway, changing the laws, misapplying the laws or outright ignoring the laws just to put him in jail. That's where I would start to support him.

But the social backlash against him? r/crysomemore , r/worldstiniestviolin , r/awwpoorbaby, etc.
 
2012-10-19 09:54:48 AM

UNC_Samurai: willfullyobscure: UNC_Samurai:

VA didn't do anything illegal, he's just an industrial-grade creep and pervert.

Chen now has a name for himself because of a bunch of useless drama.

Gawker got more hits to their website.


Adrian Chen already has a name for himself; I'm not sure you really appreciate how big the Gawker media property really is. Hint: he's got more name recognition than 98% of all cable news personalities today and a bigger audience to boot. If you stopped 50 random people on the streets of New York City today, its 50/50 they'd know who Shep Smith or Sam Donaldson are. I guarantee they'd recognize Chen.

Yes, I'm aware of how big Gawker is - but for the life of me I can't understand why it's still a big deal. They make their bread and butter off of cheap yellow journalism. As much as I enjoy Deadspin, they made their name off of a sex boat scandal, a line Chris Berman dropped picking up a woman in a bar, and pictures of Matt Leinart in a hot tub. They're essentially a geekier, more passive version of TMZ.


Twas ever thus. Nellie Bly would like a word...
 
2012-10-19 09:54:59 AM

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: No. Point out someone who said he did do something illegal.

Everyone calling him a pedophile is accusing him of illegal acts.

Being a pedophile is illegal.

Jesus Christ you're denser then lead.


No, being a pedophile is not illegal. Having sex with children is illegal, but if you're a pedophile who never actually acts on his urges, you've done nothing illegal.

And if I'm denser than lead, you must be denser than a black freaking hole.
 
2012-10-19 09:56:43 AM

Techhell: Me, I'm quite happy that he's getting treated this way. No sympathy for him in the least. About the only thing that would bring me onto his side is if what he did turned out to be perfectly legal (if morally reprehensible) and the government decided to get involved to prosecute him anyway, changing the laws, misapplying the laws or outright ignoring the laws just to put him in jail. That's where I would start to support him.


So mob justice is cool, but it's wrong for the law to get involved. ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-10-19 09:58:08 AM

fluffy2097: So mob justice is cool, but it's wrong for the law to get involved. ಠ_ಠ


I don't think you know what "mob justice" means. Much like you don't know what "illegal" means.
 
2012-10-19 09:58:09 AM

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: No. Point out someone who said he did do something illegal.

Everyone calling him a pedophile is accusing him of illegal acts.

Being a pedophile is illegal.

Jesus Christ you're denser then lead.


Is being a pedo illegal, or actually acting on those impulses illegal?
 
2012-10-19 09:59:23 AM

fluffy2097: Everyone calling him a pedophile is accusing him of illegal acts.


Not to defend this guy (or pedophiles in general), but:

A pedophile is someone who has a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children.
This, in and of itself, is not illegal.
 
2012-10-19 10:01:20 AM

fluffy2097: You know who else sexualizes children and nobody cares about? TLC.

[whinesisters.com image 263x400]

These people make money though, so they aren't creepy pedophiles. Lets glorify their lives.


That, and they make these girls look like midgets in their late 30s. What is the point of taking someone who is young and then making them look like someone who is older trying to look like someone who is younger?
 
2012-10-19 10:01:21 AM

Techhell: fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: No. Point out someone who said he did do something illegal.

Everyone calling him a pedophile is accusing him of illegal acts.

Being a pedophile is illegal.

Jesus Christ you're denser then lead.

Is being a pedo illegal, or actually acting on those impulses illegal?



Does it matter? Lets kill them all and destroy all their lives! It's fun because they aren't human and don't deserve the same protections granted to all men.
 
2012-10-19 10:02:11 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: That, and they make these girls look like midgets in their late 30s. What is the point of taking someone who is young and then making them look like someone who is older trying to look like someone who is younger?


I don't know, ask their creepy ass parents.

Or better yet, publish their personal information online.
 
2012-10-19 10:02:29 AM
AARRRGGGH. I had to take a shower after just looking at that picture.

Aarontology: reddit's policy on how someone becomes a moderator doesn't excuse them from allowing this f*cked up subreddits to exist for so long.


I was following a big flamewar about this on another site. A woman--yes, a woman, and she was even more obnoxious than I am--said that it wasn't Reddit's fault, they didn't really know what was posted on those subreddits, and SHE was a moderator, and blaming her for something going on on another subreddit that she didn't even read was as stupid as blaming anyone for perverted shiat posted on other websites.

I said that if I gave my car to a drunk teenager and he plowed it into a busload of orphans, it might not be my fault, but I sure as hell had some responsibility for it.

Reddit supplied the means, the bandwidth, the audience....they're responsible. Not to mention that those subreddits have names like "beatingwomen" (the one I looked at, briefly, before I closed that shiat forever), because that's entirely hidden and how could anyone know?
 
2012-10-19 10:03:34 AM

HeartBurnKid: I think we've exited black hole dense and entered the realm of objects purely theoretical.


Like VC's guilt? ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-10-19 10:03:34 AM

fluffy2097: Does it matter? Lets kill them all and destroy all their lives! It's fun because they aren't human and don't deserve the same protections granted to all men.


Point out one person who advocated killing him. Please. 

I love this idea that I'm supposed to sympathize because some dumbass troll got outed. It's hilarious. Cry some more.
 
2012-10-19 10:04:11 AM

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: I think we've exited black hole dense and entered the realm of objects purely theoretical.

Like VC's guilt? ಠ_ಠ


qq moar.
 
2012-10-19 10:04:24 AM

fluffy2097: LouDobbsAwaaaay: That, and they make these girls look like midgets in their late 30s. What is the point of taking someone who is young and then making them look like someone who is older trying to look like someone who is younger?

I don't know, ask their creepy ass parents.

Or better yet, publish their personal information online.


i47.tinypic.com

/srsly
//it's embarrassing to witness
 
2012-10-19 10:05:05 AM

HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: Does it matter? Lets kill them all and destroy all their lives! It's fun because they aren't human and don't deserve the same protections granted to all men.

Point out one person who advocated killing him. Please. 

I love this idea that I'm supposed to sympathize because some dumbass troll got outed. It's hilarious. Cry some more.


You did yesterday. Should I pull the link or do you just want to be quiet now.
 
2012-10-19 10:05:13 AM

HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: WhippingBoy: A pedophile is someone who has a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children.
This, in and of itself, is not illegal.

So you are now defending him. You must be a pedo too.

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I think we've exited black hole dense and entered the realm of objects purely theoretical.


I don't think he missed the point. I think he's illustrating how witch hunts get started...
 
2012-10-19 10:05:50 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Free speech doesn't mean consequence free.


This needs to get said a lot.
 
2012-10-19 10:05:57 AM

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: Does it matter? Lets kill them all and destroy all their lives! It's fun because they aren't human and don't deserve the same protections granted to all men.

Point out one person who advocated killing him. Please. 

I love this idea that I'm supposed to sympathize because some dumbass troll got outed. It's hilarious. Cry some more.

You did yesterday. Should I pull the link or do you just want to be quiet now.


Go ahead. Pull it. I want to see this.
 
2012-10-19 10:06:55 AM

WhippingBoy: HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: WhippingBoy: A pedophile is someone who has a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children.
This, in and of itself, is not illegal.

So you are now defending him. You must be a pedo too.

[media.tumblr.com image 256x256]

I think we've exited black hole dense and entered the realm of objects purely theoretical.

I don't think he missed the point. I think he's illustrating how witch hunts get started...


Huh? Someone did something truly despicable, owned up to it, and got socially lambasted for it is now ==to women getting hung and wrongly accused of things they did not do?
 
2012-10-19 10:07:31 AM
I think Fark needs to ban fluffy2097 quick. Not because of what he's posting per se, but because the derp is so dense that it may very well threaten to gravitationally collapse the Fark servers if it goes on much longer. o_0
 
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