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(The Verge)   Reddit troll apologizes for promoting pedophilia and rape by stating college kids across the country made him do it   (theverge.com) divider line 284
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2012-10-19 10:07:49 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Murder the pedo


/hey look I can make shiat up just like Chen!
//better Doxx me and call me a pedophile
///Oh wait, I've already been CALLED a pedophile in this thread
////Why don't you call anderson cooper on me. I'm a pedo because some guy on the internet said so and i once visited a porno site
//Sometimes I say queermo too.
 
2012-10-19 10:09:04 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I think Fark needs to ban fluffy2097 quick. Not because of what he's posting per se, but because the derp is so dense that it may very well threaten to gravitationally collapse the Fark servers if it goes on much longer. o_0


Thank you for helping to prove that this angry internet mob is retarded and reactionary.
 
2012-10-19 10:09:25 AM  

fluffy2097: Got nothiin'


I know.

fluffy2097: /hey look I can make shiat up just like Chen!


What did Chen say that was untrue. Be specific.

/I love you, you wonderful, terrible spaz.
 
2012-10-19 10:09:46 AM  
Question to more legal minded farkers: If the government decided to try him under obscenity laws would they have a case? If the standard is what is acceptable in his community would the jury pool be made up of people where he lives or were reddit is hosted?
 
2012-10-19 10:10:06 AM  

fluffy2097: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I think Fark needs to ban fluffy2097 quick. Not because of what he's posting per se, but because the derp is so dense that it may very well threaten to gravitationally collapse the Fark servers if it goes on much longer. o_0

Thank you for helping to prove that this angry internet mob is retarded and reactionary.


It was a joke, cupcake. Simmer down. No one is banning you.
 
2012-10-19 10:10:43 AM  

fluffy2097: Techhell: Me, I'm quite happy that he's getting treated this way. No sympathy for him in the least. About the only thing that would bring me onto his side is if what he did turned out to be perfectly legal (if morally reprehensible) and the government decided to get involved to prosecute him anyway, changing the laws, misapplying the laws or outright ignoring the laws just to put him in jail. That's where I would start to support him.

So mob justice is cool, but it's wrong for the law to get involved. ಠ_ಠ


It`s a case by case basis. As long as the mob isn't doing anything illegal, "mob justice" can be acceptable. Actions have consequences, sometimes legal, sometimes social.
 
2012-10-19 10:10:46 AM  

fluffy2097: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I think Fark needs to ban fluffy2097 quick. Not because of what he's posting per se, but because the derp is so dense that it may very well threaten to gravitationally collapse the Fark servers if it goes on much longer. o_0

Thank you for helping to prove that this angry internet mob is retarded and reactionary.


The only "angry internet mob" I see is the one that is QQing about Chen outing a troll.
 
2012-10-19 10:11:01 AM  

fluffy2097: So mob justice is cool, but it's wrong for the law to get involved. ಠ_ಠ


Social opprobrium for socially disreputable acts is . . . well i dont really feel the word "cool" applies, but it sure is real.

Hypo time!

I can dislike you because you like the TV show "Toddlers in Tiaras." I can decide that i don't want to associate with anyone who likes that show. If everyone in the city of, lets say Boston, agreed with me and decided that they weren't going to hang out with anyone who did like that show. You, knowing this, decided to set up a fan site for the show anyway. the good (?) people of Boston learn that you set up said site. They then, en masse decide that you are beneath contempt and refuse to have anything to do with someone who likes such drivel.

1) You did nothing illegal - you have all the right in the world to set up that site, and still do
2) the people of Boston have done nothing illegal - they have every right in the world to think what they want, and right now they dislike you
3) at no point has your site been banned, at no point have your rights been infringed, at no point are you any less free than you were before you set up the site

This is how the system works - you get rights, they get rights. The use of your rights may trigger reactions wherein they use their rights. Rights for all means that sometimes, you need to determine if the social cost of standing on your rights is worth it. If you feel like making a stand and proudly saying i love that show! go for it! But know that the majority of people around you will dislike you for it.
 
2012-10-19 10:11:10 AM  

HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: Got nothiin'

I know.

fluffy2097: /hey look I can make shiat up just like Chen!

What did Chen say that was untrue. Be specific.

/I love you, you wonderful, terrible spaz.



I don't have to be specific because think of the children

THINK OF THE CHILDREN GODDAMNIT AND BELIEVE MY RIDICULOUS LIES! I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING! INSINUATION IS GOOD ENOUGH!
 
2012-10-19 10:12:29 AM  

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: Got nothiin'

I know.

fluffy2097: /hey look I can make shiat up just like Chen!

What did Chen say that was untrue. Be specific.

/I love you, you wonderful, terrible spaz.


I don't have to be specific because think of the children

THINK OF THE CHILDREN GODDAMNIT AND BELIEVE MY RIDICULOUS LIES! I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING! INSINUATION IS GOOD ENOUGH!


Why are you avoiding my question?
 
2012-10-19 10:12:38 AM  

namegoeshere: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Free speech doesn't mean consequence free.

This needs to get said a lot.


Agreed.

Free speech doesn't mean consequence free.
 
2012-10-19 10:13:07 AM  

gulogulo: Why are you avoiding my question?


Why are you hiding behind your username.

/my real name is fluffy don't you know
//last name twenty ninety seven
 
2012-10-19 10:13:42 AM  

fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: Got nothiin'

I know.

fluffy2097: /hey look I can make shiat up just like Chen!

What did Chen say that was untrue. Be specific.

/I love you, you wonderful, terrible spaz.


I don't have to be specific because think of the children

THINK OF THE CHILDREN GODDAMNIT AND BELIEVE MY RIDICULOUS LIES! I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING! INSINUATION IS GOOD ENOUGH!


Aren't you precious.

Well, I got work. Keep QQing, and put the tears on ice for me. They're delicious.
 
2012-10-19 10:14:28 AM  

fluffy2097: gulogulo: Why are you avoiding my question?

Why are you hiding behind your username.

/my real name is fluffy don't you know
//last name twenty ninety seven


I'm not the one making claims that actions should have zero social consequences. I understand that, hence i remain anonymous. You are claiming otherwise, so ...why not go public?
 
2012-10-19 10:14:31 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Well, I got work


Doubt it.
 
2012-10-19 10:15:21 AM  

fluffy2097: It's fun because they aren't human and don't deserve the same protections granted to all men.


See above - VA still has allthe rights he had before. He has the right to say what he wanted before he became a moderator of some dubious reddit sites. He still haws the right to say what he wants.

What you are mad about is that everyone else also has rights. In this case, the right to dislike VA for what he said/did, and the right to not want to associate with him. You cannot have it both ways, rights for those i agree with but none for others.
 
2012-10-19 10:15:33 AM  

gulogulo: I'm not the one making claims that actions should have zero social consequences. I understand that, hence i remain anonymous. You are claiming otherwise, so ...why not go public?


So you're claiming your anonymous actions would have social consequences?

Jesus Christ you must do some farked up shiat online that you have to hide your internet life from your real life. You some kind of pedo?
 
2012-10-19 10:15:56 AM  

fluffy2097: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I think Fark needs to ban fluffy2097 quick. Not because of what he's posting per se, but because the derp is so dense that it may very well threaten to gravitationally collapse the Fark servers if it goes on much longer. o_0
Thank you for helping to prove that this angry internet mob is retarded and reactionary.


Son, never go full retard. That post was about as serious as cat pictures. And you know it.

Is there something we need to know about you? Reddit moderator, maybe?
 
2012-10-19 10:16:04 AM  

gulogulo: fluffy2097: HeartBurnKid: fluffy2097: Got nothiin'

I know.

fluffy2097: /hey look I can make shiat up just like Chen!

What did Chen say that was untrue. Be specific.

/I love you, you wonderful, terrible spaz.


I don't have to be specific because think of the children

THINK OF THE CHILDREN GODDAMNIT AND BELIEVE MY RIDICULOUS LIES! I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING! INSINUATION IS GOOD ENOUGH!

Why are you avoiding my question?


He started off being full of derp, got called for it, then someone theorized that he was actually trying to show how witch hunts start and now he seems to have decided that this was what he was trying to do all along in a "To be sure of hitting your target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target." sort of way. That's why he can avoid any and all questions, look like he's full of derp and then pass it off as "I'm just being the derpy guy who starts a witch hunt by being derpy."
 
2012-10-19 10:16:29 AM  
"He has a gift for pushing buddins"


I hate it when people say buddins instead of buttons.
 
2012-10-19 10:17:50 AM  

ModernLuddite: As someone who only went on Reddit like 5 minutes ago for the first time, I am having a hard time understanding this situation.

To me, it just sounds like one of those internet dramas that only users of a specific forum get into has spilled out into the real world. Please correct me, though.

//I'm not saying he doesn't sound like an idiot.
///I'm just saying that internet != real life.


imagine if a popular tfer(pick your favorites) was outed as the guy behind one of the the more controversial trolls here on fark (pick your favorite/least whatever) and was moderator, and that said troll was creepy as fark while the "normal" account was very damn helpful. To make it more dramatic the outing was performed made as sensational as possible

/don't kill me moderator
//only been on reddit for a couple of weeks myself before this shiat backflushed everywhere
 
2012-10-19 10:19:57 AM  
It's rare to see someone flame-out as entertainingly as fluffy2097 appears to be doing right now. It's like half "just snarkin', guiz!!!" and half setting up a future insanity defense.
 
2012-10-19 10:22:34 AM  

willfullyobscure: Adrian Chen already has a name for himself; I'm not sure you really appreciate how big the Gawker media property really is. Hint: he's got more name recognition than 98% of all cable news personalities today and a bigger audience to boot. If you stopped 50 random people on the streets of New York City today, its 50/50 they'd know who Shep Smith or Sam Donaldson are. I guarantee they'd recognize Chen.


Do you work for gawker ? Cause except for some guys on Jalopnik(and only because they worked in or on media I was already following) I don't think I could name anybody who works for them
 
2012-10-19 10:23:03 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: It's rare to see someone flame-out as entertainingly as fluffy2097 appears to be doing right now. It's like half "just snarkin', guiz!!!" and half setting up a future insanity defense.


It's like watching someone driving on ice suddenly realize that they have no traction. As long as there's nothing in site to actually crash into, you can't help but giggle at the way they crank the wheel and stomp on the brake as if it's going to have any effect.
 
2012-10-19 10:23:22 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: It's rare to see someone flame-out as entertainingly as fluffy2097 appears to be doing right now. It's like half "just snarkin', guiz!!!" and half setting up a future insanity defense.


At least we are done endlessly repeating

"OMG VC IS SO GROSS"

shiat was boring as hell and nobody was saying anything new.
 
2012-10-19 10:23:48 AM  

gulogulo: fluffy2097: You know who else sexualizes children and nobody cares about? TLC.

A lot of people care. A lot of people find it despicable. But the parents consent to this, and society has determined that these particular set of circumstances are ok.

And you've never answered my question. Would you tell people close to you in your life you frequented boards like /jailbait /chokeabiatch /rapebait etc.?


Someone whose name I can't remember once said of freedom: We all have freedom. We are all free to do whatever we want - as long as we are willing to accept the consequences of our actions. Anyone who visits questionable websites or posts socially unacceptable shiat must do so knowing that the anonymity is a lie and it is entirely possible that they will someday be outed as doing so. Even if they are behind seven proxies.

People are free to participate in sick yet legal shiat on line. But that freedom means that people on line are free to out you for doing so, as long as they keep it legal. You can't have one without the other.

The only guarantee that your friends and associates never learn of the deviant shiat you do on line is not to do it.

Otherwise, you do it knowing there is a real possibility that everyone in your life will find out about it.
 
2012-10-19 10:23:52 AM  

fluffy2097: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I think Fark needs to ban fluffy2097 quick. Not because of what he's posting per se, but because the derp is so dense that it may very well threaten to gravitationally collapse the Fark servers if it goes on much longer. o_0

Thank you for helping to prove that this angry internet mob is retarded and reactionary.


Says the guy who has posted 15% of all the comments in this thread so far, brought up Toddlers and Tiaras and started randomly accusing other people of advocating murder.
 
2012-10-19 10:25:21 AM  
Guess he found out the hard way that the consequences will never be the same once the internet police backtrace you.
 
2012-10-19 10:25:29 AM  

loonatic112358: ModernLuddite: As someone who only went on Reddit like 5 minutes ago for the first time, I am having a hard time understanding this situation.

To me, it just sounds like one of those internet dramas that only users of a specific forum get into has spilled out into the real world. Please correct me, though.

//I'm not saying he doesn't sound like an idiot.
///I'm just saying that internet != real life.

imagine if a popular tfer(pick your favorites) was outed as the guy behind one of the the more controversial trolls here on fark (pick your favorite/least whatever) and was moderator, and that said troll was creepy as fark while the "normal" account was very damn helpful. To make it more dramatic the outing was performed made as sensational as possible

/don't kill me moderator
//only been on reddit for a couple of weeks myself before this shiat backflushed everywhere


That wouldn't happen, and can't happen.  It would not be tolerated, nor condoned or ignored.
 
2012-10-19 10:25:29 AM  

fluffy2097: At least we are done endlessly repeating

"OMG VC IS SO GROSS"

shiat was boring as hell and nobody was saying anything new.


Yeah now it's more just watching you flail around until you choke on your own fist.
 
2012-10-19 10:26:00 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Says the guy who has posted 15% of all the comments in this thread so far, brought up Toddlers and Tiaras and started randomly accusing other people of advocating murder.


Somebody has to stir the pot or the bottom overcooks and the top is raw.
 
2012-10-19 10:29:12 AM  

HeartBurnKid: The only "angry internet mob" I see is the one that is QQing about Chen outing a troll.


what the fark did you just say, can you repeat it for those of us that don't speak redditese?
 
2012-10-19 10:30:59 AM  

loonatic112358: HeartBurnKid: The only "angry internet mob" I see is the one that is QQing about Chen outing a troll.

what the fark did you just say, can you repeat it for those of us that don't speak redditese?


QQ == crying

Troll == someone who says things for emotional effect. queermo loser.
 
2012-10-19 10:31:58 AM  

fluffy2097: You know who else sexualizes children and nobody cares about? TLC.

[whinesisters.com image 263x400]

These people make money though, so they aren't creepy pedophiles. Lets glorify their lives.


Those shows are retarded and I will insult anyone who watches them. I kind of feel the same way about people who post dead babies and jailbait pictures to reddit. It's not illegal, but it deserves scorn.
 
2012-10-19 10:33:21 AM  

fluffy2097: Somebody has to stir the pot or the bottom overcooks and the top is raw.


Ah - good old stage four of a fark meltdown.

1) make a somewhat questionable assertion
2) respond to questions from posters regarding that assertion with increasingly wacky answers
3) turn entire thread into a discussion of what drug you might be on
4) say "ha! It was always my plan to cause all this controversy. you know, for entertainment. really. I mean it."
5) (if flailing meltdown is epic enough) become fark meme

/has to be at the marine core in 26 minutes
 
2012-10-19 10:34:47 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: That wouldn't happen, and can't happen.  It would not be tolerated, nor condoned or ignored.


yes I am aware of that, i was trying to explain to another poster who's probably familiar with fark, but also new to reddit what the hell is going on by using fark as a shiatty analog
 
2012-10-19 10:35:01 AM  

Teiritzamna: /has to be at the marine core in 26 minutes


Delete the gym, hit a Lawer and contact Facebook brahski.

/do you even lift brah?
 
2012-10-19 10:35:26 AM  

fluffy2097: Troll == someone who says things for emotional effect. queermo loser.


troll I get, we have many many here, it's the qq shiat, and doxxing i'm struggling with
 
2012-10-19 10:35:27 AM  

fluffy2097: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Says the guy who has posted 15% of all the comments in this thread so far, brought up Toddlers and Tiaras and started randomly accusing other people of advocating murder.

Somebody has to stir the pot or the bottom overcooks and the top is raw.

 

Uh huh. Trolling. Right.

[whattrollswantyoutobelievecomic.jpg]
 
2012-10-19 10:40:41 AM  

ghostwind: ChrisDe: " I was playing to an audience of college kids"

There's no way the average age of reddit readers is college kids. Mid-teen, maybe.

What is reddit, again?


It's for people who get all butt hurt when you call someone out and don't appreciate the welcome to fark meme.

/Seriously those people need to get a thicker skin.
//I'd rather share a beer with a farker I hate than meet up with an avg redditor
 
2012-10-19 10:42:43 AM  

loonatic112358: fluffy2097: Troll == someone who says things for emotional effect. queermo loser.

troll I get, we have many many here, it's the qq shiat, and doxxing i'm struggling with


doxxing - publishing the real life identification of an internet person. Were I to doxx you, I'd be posting your real (legal) name at the very least, though likely would add things like your address, your place of work, etc.
 
2012-10-19 10:46:59 AM  

loonatic112358: fluffy2097: Troll == someone who says things for emotional effect. queermo loser.

troll I get, we have many many here, it's the qq shiat, and doxxing i'm struggling with


qq started back with warcraft2 and has been around for a decade or two. It predates reddit and fark by a good bit.
 
2012-10-19 10:55:57 AM  
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2012-10-19 11:00:49 AM  

KiplingKat872: Teiritzamna: And if Seth McFarelane wants to give VA a job making manatee jokes about dead sexualized children, he has that legal right. Just because you do something that is legal doesnt mean that you get to force other people to like you or want to hang around you.

The upskirt pics on r/creeperpics broke federal law under the Video and Voyeurism Prevention act of 2004. Depending on the state they were taken and it's definition of voyeurism, any attempt to see though women clothing, yes even in public, was a violation of state law. Anyone who posted candid pics of minors from California for his "jailbait' board broke state law and I doubt that he would win any civil suit brought against him by the parents of child exploited in such a manner, no matter what state it was in.

And the Reddit mods just let this go on for years because he was pals with them.

This isn't a matter of Free Speech. This guy isn't Larry Flint who used willing adult models. This guy is just a rank predator encouraging others to do to do the same.


here is the thing - if a prosecutor decides to bring charges, and wins, cool. If he did illegal things i would like him to be properly punished.

However, my point was addressing the issue that some seem to have that there is a dyad here: either he did something illegal, or he did nothing at all wrong. My argument is that let us assume, arguendo, that he did nothing illegal. Even if that were so, his actions triggered his own firing and our opprobrium, and claiming that he should somehow be protected from the social cost of his actions is silly.
 
2012-10-19 11:07:23 AM  
And slasher films promote murder. And D&D promotes satanism.

fark this guy for being a douchebag and an asshole. But the rest of the poutrage and hysterics are asinine.
 
2012-10-19 11:09:32 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: But the rest of the poutrage and hysterics are asinine.


Outside of the people he trolled on reddit, the only people that seem to be having a hysterical fit are all the idiots who are so terribly upset that he got the comeuppance he brought on himself.
 
2012-10-19 11:11:10 AM  

HST's Dead Carcass: TV's Vinnie: God dammit. Just admit that you farked up and be a man about it! Stop being a douche.

He's obviously Republican, as they don't apologize for anything..


Your immaturity and knowledge of competing political views is appalling.

And this:

Grow the fark up, NOT EVERY thing is about politics.
But then since your candidate is losing your immature anger on this issue is almost understandable.
 
2012-10-19 11:12:02 AM  
Bookmark so I can review Fluffy's link.
 
2012-10-19 11:12:28 AM  
A lot of the people bashing on this guy would absolutely sh*t their own pants if their identities were outted. I'm sure the response would be "b-b-b-but I did nothing illegal, I don't deserve this!"...and then, maybe reality will dawn on them...
 
2012-10-19 11:14:17 AM  

KiplingKat872: Anyone who posted candid pics of minors from California for his "jailbait' board broke state law and I doubt that he would win any civil suit brought against him by the parents of child exploited in such a manner, no matter what state it was in.


Where did he get these jailbait picks, says many of them were "stolen", aka copied from facebook profiles. You going to charge the people who originally posted them on facebook? One families beach vacation pics are another persons fap materials.
 
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