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2012-10-18 08:53:03 PM  
#5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.
 
2012-10-18 09:05:49 PM  
Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.
 
2012-10-18 09:18:04 PM  
They mention the Matrix but overlook the "humans as batteries" thing?


While there are certainly other plot holes in the "Alien" series to point out, one of the biggest one occurs at the beginning of the third film. The movie shows one alien egg hanging on the wall in the sleep chamber. But how did it get there from the last film when the Queen never had the opportunity to leave an egg to in her wake?

What are they talking about? There was no third Aliens movie...
 
2012-10-18 09:19:01 PM  

cman: #5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.


How did they compensate for the motion of the Earth in that one?
 
2012-10-18 09:34:59 PM  
So Cheese Legs just admits to everything right there in a big musical number and no one even notices? I mean I know it's supposed to be a cartoon, but I mean come on!
 
2012-10-18 09:46:41 PM  

Mugato: Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.


I followed the link in the description and found the theory posited there to be one of the best I've heard.

Copypasta'd:
When I first saw this film, I didn't realize that it wasn't about aliens at all. It's about the return of demons. Notice it's all about a priest's resurgence of belief, and a preordained moment of redemption-if-dared-and-attempted. There is no alien technology or weaponry or clothing of any kind, only a clawed, naked beast creature and lights in the sky.

Furthermore: The running joke throughout the movie is that people see these "invaders" in a way that's related to their particular frame of mind: The cop sees them as prankster kids, the bookstore owners see them as "a hoax to sell commercials," the Army recruitment officer sees them as invading military, the kids see them as UFOs... and the Priest sees them as test of faith. This understanding of the film removed my hatred of the "You've got to be kidding me; they were killed by WATER!" concept. In fact, the priest's daughter had been referred to as "holy" (as revealed during Mel's key monologue)-recognized by all who saw her at her birth as "an Angel;" and her quite particular relationship to water is shown to be very special and spiritual: In other words, she has placed vials of what are, essentially, HOLY WATER all around the house. (And the creature's reaction when coming in contact with this blessed liquid is EXACTLY like monsters/vampires being splashed by spiritual "acid.")

This view of the movie also explains the creature's actions: They act like superior tricksters, are not able to break in through closed doors, can be trapped behind simple wooden latches -all mythological elements of demons and vampire-like creatures of lore. It also explains the news over the radio at the end of the movie that an ancient method of killing the creatures has been found "in three small cities in the Middle East" - one would suspect the religious "hubs" of the three main Abrahamic traditions, each discovering the "mystic methods" of protection-and-dispatch that I've noted earlier.

Note also: All the Christian iconography throughout the movie, the references to "Signs and Wonders" (the true meaning of the title), the crucifix shapes hinted-at everywhere (check out the overhead shot, looking down on the street driving into town) and the ultimate fact that the entire movie is built around a Priest rediscovering he is not abandoned to a random, Godless, scientifically-oriented Universe but, rather, is part of a predicted and dreamed-of plan.

Now -these creatures may for all intents and purposes be some sort of extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional "aliens" -but the point of the movie seems to be that they are, in the ACTUALITY OF THE FILM WORLD, the dark stuff from which all the character's tales of devils and night-creatures were born.
 
2012-10-18 10:04:26 PM  

cman: #5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.


I always get confused trying to keep track and the Frys (Fries) and which one is "real"
 
2012-10-18 10:08:39 PM  
FTFA: "Independence Day"
A computer virus destroys an entire alien ship ... really? And where did David connect the device that uploaded the virus. We doubt they sell alien ports at Best Buy.


WTF? Did the author actually watch any of these movies?

The virus didn't destroy the alien ship. The nuclear bomb that was detonated inside the alien ship destroyed the alien ship. The virus just screwed up the alien computer systems that controlled their ships.

The virus was transmitted to the mother ship from an antenna that had been mounted on the captured spaceship.

The REAL plot hole in Independence Day was that the virus worked at all. Jeff Goldblum's character goes from correctly interpreting a countdown signal to being able to write malicious code for a completely alien computer system in the span of a couple of days... On a f*ckin' Mac, no less.

The WORST plot hole in Independence Day was that Jeff Goldblum and his father were able to drive from New York City to Washington DC, get into the White House, brief the president, and get over to Andrews Air Force base to escape in Air Force One in the span of about five hours.
 
2012-10-18 10:16:04 PM  
FTFA: "Waterworld"
If paper is such a rare commodity, why are the 'Smokers' smoking what seems like an endless amount of cigarettes?


(*wince*) (*rubs eyes*) There is no indication whatsoever that cigarettes are still manufactured in this time. Like pretty much everything else in this movies, they're left over from the old days. The pirates probably landed an entire stockpile of dry cigarettes off an old cargo ship. I had no problem resolving the presence of cigarettes in the movie, and I thought it added a fun and interesting aspect to Dennis Hopper's character and his crew.
 
2012-10-18 10:19:12 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: The REAL plot hole in Independence Day was that the virus worked at all. Jeff Goldblum's character goes from correctly interpreting a countdown signal to being able to write malicious code for a completely alien computer system in the span of a couple of days... On a f*ckin' Mac, no less.


There was a cut scene where they explained that they reverse engineered alien technology to make modern day computers, which was why the Mac was compatible with the alien computer. A silly explanation but an explanation.
 
2012-10-18 10:20:13 PM  
FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?


The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?
 
2012-10-18 10:20:44 PM  

ManateeGag: cman: #5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.

I always get confused trying to keep track and the Frys (Fries) and which one is "real"


The movie started out a bit slow, but when they got into the time traveling plot, it became instant comedy classic.

/Damn, with that $100 I could have bought 1 gallon of gas
 
2012-10-18 10:26:46 PM  
FTFA: "Gremlins"
Feeding the Mogwai after midnight -- isn't it always after midnight somewhere in the world? Technically, if they're on Asian standard time, then feeding them after 12 a.m. EST actually means they were fed at ... oh never mind. There's just too many things wrong with this scenario.



So Mogwai don't have internal body clocks like people do? Your body knows when it's midnight. Once the Mogwai got over their jet lag, wouldn't they adjust to local time just like everything else does? Circadian rhythms and all that stuff?

It sounds to me like the author was just looking for stuff to pick at in order to pad TFA. Gremlins is a fantasy movie. Midnight holds special meaning in some fantasy tales. Just accept it at that and let it go.
 
2012-10-18 10:31:14 PM  
If a huge glaring plot-hole in your movie can only be explained by 1) watching a deleted scene, 2) reading the novel, 3) reading a follow-up comicbook/novel then you sucked at making your movie. The movie should be able to stand on its own and make sense without having to resort to outside material.

If your movie no longer makes sense because you deleted a scene that was crucial to the plot, then DON'T delete that scene. Find some non-critical fluff somewhere else in the movie to cut if shaving 5 minutes off your run time is really that crucial.

This whole "oh it'll make sense once you see the deleted scenes/director's cut/read the comicbook" crap is laziness and slipshoddery, pure and simple.
 
2012-10-18 10:32:37 PM  
FTFA: "Minority Report"
Like many time travel films, movies surrounding future timelines and predictions tend to be ripe with plot holes. "Minority Report" is no different, with the precogs predicting a future -- or at least future intentions -- that never comes to pass.


The author is screwed in the head on this one. The whole POINT of the movie was that the precogs weren't 100% perfect, and because of that the whole pre-crime concept was flawed, prone to abuse by people in power, and doomed to fail.
 
2012-10-18 10:39:40 PM  
FTFA: "The Dark Knight"
"The Dark Knight Rises" is not the only movie in Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy that contains major plot holes. In the second film, when the Joker shows up at the fundraiser looking for Harvey Dent, he threatens Rachel, ultimately dropping her out of a window. Batman jumps after her, catching her in time to break her fall. But what happens to all those people still at the fundraiser? Did the Joker and his goons just shrug and leave?



Does it matter to the plot of the movie? Did Rachel need to take a dump after having the crap scared out of her from the whole being-thrown-out-the-window experience? Do we really need to know? At the time of the party, we know that Joker was there to just f*ck with everyone and stir up some high-profile trouble anyway. He accomplished that.
 
2012-10-18 10:43:52 PM  
FTFA: Limitless
Okay, Eddie; we get that you're now using 100 percent of your brain, making you one of the smartest people on Earth. So why didn't you stop to consider another way of accumulating $100,000 to bolster your stock investments rather than borrowing it from a Russian mobster?


Being able to use 100 percent of your brain doesn't mean that you automatically gain a proportional amount of common sense to go along with it.
 
2012-10-18 10:55:26 PM  
The whole article was just one big nitpicking biatchfest.
 
2012-10-18 11:07:42 PM  
FUNFACT!  The author was voted most likely to have an aneurism while watching a Tex Avery cartoon.
 
2012-10-18 11:34:34 PM  
#15 is not a plot hole either. Anterograde amnesia does indeed stop you from forming new memories, but memories made before the injury that causes it are intact. So Leonard is aware that once he was able to remember things.
 
2012-10-18 11:56:26 PM  
There is one thing that always bothered me about the Matrix:

How the hell do people think this is a good movie?

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?


THANK YOU!!
 
2012-10-19 12:04:03 AM  
If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!
 
2012-10-19 12:05:17 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "The Dark Knight"
"The Dark Knight Rises" is not the only movie in Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy that contains major plot holes. In the second film, when the Joker shows up at the fundraiser looking for Harvey Dent, he threatens Rachel, ultimately dropping her out of a window. Batman jumps after her, catching her in time to break her fall. But what happens to all those people still at the fundraiser? Did the Joker and his goons just shrug and leave?


Does it matter to the plot of the movie? Did Rachel need to take a dump after having the crap scared out of her from the whole being-thrown-out-the-window experience? Do we really need to know? At the time of the party, we know that Joker was there to just f*ck with everyone and stir up some high-profile trouble anyway. He accomplished that.


I thought he was there to kill Harvey Dent. Especially after that montage of Commissioner Leob and the Judge lady getting poisoned/blown the fark up. So again, we're back to "Did the Joker and his goons just shrug and leave? Making no further effort to find Harvey Dent? Who they were there to kill to begin with?"
 
2012-10-19 12:06:18 AM  
we get that you're now using 100 percent of your brain

There's a movie seriously based on this bullshiat? We're not all latent telepaths. Our brains aren't rife with potential. We use most of the damned things.
 
2012-10-19 12:06:57 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Independence Day"
A computer virus destroys an entire alien ship ... really? And where did David connect the device that uploaded the virus. We doubt they sell alien ports at Best Buy.

WTF? Did the author actually watch any of these movies?

The virus didn't destroy the alien ship. The nuclear bomb that was detonated inside the alien ship destroyed the alien ship. The virus just screwed up the alien computer systems that controlled their ships.

The virus was transmitted to the mother ship from an antenna that had been mounted on the captured spaceship.

The REAL plot hole in Independence Day was that the virus worked at all. Jeff Goldblum's character goes from correctly interpreting a countdown signal to being able to write malicious code for a completely alien computer system in the span of a couple of days... On a f*ckin' Mac, no less.

The WORST plot hole in Independence Day was that Jeff Goldblum and his father were able to drive from New York City to Washington DC, get into the White House, brief the president, and get over to Andrews Air Force base to escape in Air Force One in the span of about five hours.


The thing that annoyed me is that the President's injured wife is transported to the super-secret high tech facility but then dies because no one knows how to do a simple farking laparaotomy to stop her internal bleeding (which somehow managed not to kill her before she was rescued).
 
2012-10-19 12:08:14 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Independence Day"
A computer virus destroys an entire alien ship ... really? And where did David connect the device that uploaded the virus. We doubt they sell alien ports at Best Buy.

WTF? Did the author actually watch any of these movies?

The virus didn't destroy the alien ship. The nuclear bomb that was detonated inside the alien ship destroyed the alien ship. The virus just screwed up the alien computer systems that controlled their ships.

The virus was transmitted to the mother ship from an antenna that had been mounted on the captured spaceship.

The REAL plot hole in Independence Day was that the virus worked at all. Jeff Goldblum's character goes from correctly interpreting a countdown signal to being able to write malicious code for a completely alien computer system in the span of a couple of days... On a f*ckin' Mac, no less.

The WORST plot hole in Independence Day was that Jeff Goldblum and his father were able to drive from New York City to Washington DC, get into the White House, brief the president, and get over to Andrews Air Force base to escape in Air Force One in the span of about five hours.


retronaut.com

//Independence Day was a documentary
////I Want to Believe!!
 
2012-10-19 12:10:07 AM  

Mugato: Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.


This link about the aliens in signs possibly being demons kind of blew my mind when I first read it.

However, it doesn't explain the radio signals being picked up on the baby monitor, nor the bird crashing into the ship... or the crop circles and the lights in the sky... but it explained the water and the pantry doors thing. 

And as much as I dislike Shyamalan for raping The Last Airbender, if he WAS really going for demons instead of aliens, it kind of brings back a little respect for him to me.
 
2012-10-19 12:11:37 AM  
You want to know how Bruce Wayne got back to Gotham so fast? He's Bruce Wayne. He finds the nearest Wayne Corporation facility or a sister company and tells the front desk girl he'll be taking the jet back to Gotham.
 
2012-10-19 12:12:27 AM  

cman: #5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.


They also obviously haven't seen Primer.

It may have a plot hole somewhere, but that'd require you understanding what the hell is going on to find it or even care.
 
2012-10-19 12:13:55 AM  
Videos? Seriously? Even a slide show would have been better.
 
2012-10-19 12:15:15 AM  
Yakivegas:

The thing that annoyed me is that the President's injured wife is transported to the super-secret high tech facility but then dies because no one knows how to do a simple farking laparaotomy to stop her internal bleeding (which somehow managed not to kill her before she was rescued).

It's because the actress playing her had a clause in her contract that stated every other character she plays in a movie must die.

After being in the military myself, I think how stupid it was that the entire battle plan was "Let's send a bunch of F-18s to shoot missiles and hopefully blow up a 15 mile diameter object..." instead of "Let's first use stand-off tactics and launch some harpoons from some cruisers and destroyers several miles away to see if they have any effect, and THEN use close range fighters..." or something less stupid.
 
2012-10-19 12:15:28 AM  

unicron702: You want to know how Bruce Wayne got back to Gotham so fast? He's Bruce Wayne. He finds the nearest Wayne Corporation facility or a sister company and tells the front desk girl he'll be taking the jet back to Gotham.


This. I don't know why people get so focused on that. Also, Batman Begins showed him traveling through the world with zero money. He's a resourceful man.
 
2012-10-19 12:16:11 AM  

CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!


I figured the obvious hole was sending Loopers to be killed by their past selves. Someone else would've shot Willis, end of story.
 
2012-10-19 12:16:41 AM  
Actually, after reading other movies, I don't think the writer understands what a plot hole is.
 
2012-10-19 12:16:51 AM  

timujin: Mugato: Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.

I followed the link in the description and found the theory posited there to be one of the best I've heard.

Copypasta'd:
When I first saw this film, I didn't realize that it wasn't about aliens at all. It's about the return of demons. Notice it's all about a priest's resurgence of belief, and a preordained moment of redemption-if-dared-and-attempted. There is no alien technology or weaponry or clothing of any kind, only a clawed, naked beast creature and lights in the sky.

Furthermore: The running joke throughout the movie is that people see these "invaders" in a way that's related to their particular frame of mind: The cop sees them as prankster kids, the bookstore owners see them as "a hoax to sell commercials," the Army recruitment officer sees them as invading military, the kids see them as UFOs... and the Priest sees them as test of faith. This understanding of the film removed my hatred of the "You've got to be kidding me; they were killed by WATER!" concept. In fact, the priest's daughter had been referred to as "holy" (as revealed during Mel's key monologue)-recognized by all who saw her at her birth as "an Angel;" and her quite particular relationship to water is shown to be very special and spiritual: In other words, she has placed vials of what are, essentially, HOLY WATER all around the house. (And the creature's reaction when coming in contact with this blessed liquid is EXACTLY like monsters/vampires being splashed by spiritual "acid.")

This view of the movie also explains the creature's actions: They act like superior tricksters, are not able t ...


D'oh! Beat me to it...
 
2012-10-19 12:16:58 AM  
Ill give Independence Day a pass. The scientists did have 40 some years of tinkering with the alien technology. Its conceivable they had learned their computer systems and networking protocols to program a virus that attacks it.

Also, its equally feasible that our computing technology is actually based on that alien technology.
 
2012-10-19 12:22:10 AM  

cman: There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.


jesus christ
 
2012-10-19 12:22:24 AM  
"The RocK"

When Cage, Connery and the others enter Alcatraz through the "cistern room" - WTF? It's locked from the prison side. Why?

Then you have this strange half-geared flame-shooting contraption... Connery "analyzed the timing" and hoped it hadn't changed. Except for one small problem... that was to ESCAPE into the cistern room, not out of the room (and the door is bolted on the prison side... again, why bother with the giant flame thing if you are trying to get into the room to escape the prison, as Connery's character had? What is the contraption, anyway? Why is it still operational decades after the prison has closed?

Let's not even mention how he knew who really killed Kennedy, even though he was in prison for discovering this 2 YEARS BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION.
 
2012-10-19 12:22:34 AM  
Spoiler alert: it's a slideshow.
 
2012-10-19 12:24:06 AM  
A lot of the list seemed to be a crapload of nitpicking. The whole Gremlins part about feeding after midnight when it's always midnight somewhere, etc. But especially the Jurassic Park one.

"ZOMG, how did crew die if rex l0xx0red up first? Watch deleeted scenes to find out!"

Seriously?
 
2012-10-19 12:24:14 AM  

fisker: cman: There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

jesus christ


Time travelling Jesus? Is that a Mormon thing?
 
2012-10-19 12:24:48 AM  

phuquetarde: Ill give Independence Day a pass. The scientists did have 40 some years of tinkering with the alien technology. Its conceivable they had learned their computer systems and networking protocols to program a virus that attacks it.

Also, its equally feasible that our computing technology is actually based on that alien technology.


Or, the more likely scenario, he just plugged a Mac into the network, and the whole thing crashed.

(flees from the Macolytes...)
 
2012-10-19 12:26:22 AM  

LesserEvil: "The RocK"

When Cage, Connery and the others enter Alcatraz through the "cistern room" - WTF? It's locked from the prison side. Why?

Then you have this strange half-geared flame-shooting contraption... Connery "analyzed the timing" and hoped it hadn't changed. Except for one small problem... that was to ESCAPE into the cistern room, not out of the room (and the door is bolted on the prison side... again, why bother with the giant flame thing if you are trying to get into the room to escape the prison, as Connery's character had? What is the contraption, anyway? Why is it still operational decades after the prison has closed?

Let's not even mention how he knew who really killed Kennedy, even though he was in prison for discovering this 2 YEARS BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION.


The answer to all of these is: Michael Bay.
 
2012-10-19 12:33:30 AM  
If Grady exists only in Jacks mind, who let him out of the pantry?
 
2012-10-19 12:37:13 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

The investigative reporter in Citizen Kane is interviewing everybody during the story to try to find out what "Rosebud" meant. Somehow they heard it.
 
2012-10-19 12:38:31 AM  

moothemagiccow: CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!

I figured the obvious hole was sending Loopers to be killed by their past selves. Someone else would've shot Willis, end of story.


Wasn't it part of their contracts that they had to close their own loop.
 
2012-10-19 12:39:37 AM  
I can answer 2 of them

The Matrix- The machines keep leaving the humans an out. Its one of the systems checks and balances. Some of the machines programs retain a fondness for humans no matter what.

Independance Day- According to the entire premise modern computers are based on the alien tech so interface is natural and as far as Goldblums ability to write a virus in an alien computer language that could bypass their security.

1 the aliens bridged comms to take over our satelites for their countdown.

2 a telepathic race would have no reason for computer security

in short the simplest of computer viruses written in our computer languages would find a way into their system and find no resistance
 
2012-10-19 12:41:04 AM  

CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!


I thought his wife's death was an accident. The enforcer reacted to a noise and fired, hitting her.
 
2012-10-19 12:44:41 AM  

phuquetarde: Ill give Independence Day a pass. The scientists did have 40 some years of tinkering with the alien technology. Its conceivable they had learned their computer systems and networking protocols to program a virus that attacks it.

Also, its equally feasible that our computing technology is actually based on that alien technology.


No.
 
2012-10-19 12:45:05 AM  

CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!


While unsatisfactorily addressed within the movie, the director has stated that the criminals likely would not have escaped justice for the murder of Old Joe's wife had they not been killed by Old Joe, despite their attempt to cover up the murder by burning the village in which Old Joe resided.
 
2012-10-19 12:51:16 AM  

Ghastly: I
If your movie no longer makes sense because you deleted a scene that was crucial to the plot, then DON'T delete that scene. Find some non-critical fluff somewhere else in the movie to cut if shaving 5 minutes off your run time is really that crucial.


I don't think the director's always get to make the choice of what to cut or not cut, or to have shoehorned in, such as an added voice-over that makes it a happy ending. They often get vetoed by the people holding the purse strings from what I understand.
 
2012-10-19 12:56:06 AM  
I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.
 
2012-10-19 12:56:14 AM  

fusillade762: Aliens


I'll believe in three "Alien" movies, but not four
 
2012-10-19 12:56:51 AM  

GoodyearPimp: phuquetarde: Ill give Independence Day a pass. The scientists did have 40 some years of tinkering with the alien technology. Its conceivable they had learned their computer systems and networking protocols to program a virus that attacks it.

Also, its equally feasible that our computing technology is actually based on that alien technology.

No.


Actually according to even the original film thats exactly the case. As I said earlier though it doesn't matter. The aliens bridged communication to take over our satelites (why is a better question, Surely they had better equipment for a simple countdown. Couldnt they just have synched their watches?) so a virus in our computer language would work. Particularly since they are a telepathic race, which would make information security an alien concept to them.
 
2012-10-19 12:58:48 AM  

SpanishNinja: fusillade762: Aliens

I'll believe in three "Alien" movies, but not four


Well sure. Alien, Aliens, AvP, and Prometheus. Perfectly cromulent list of the four Alien movies.
 
2012-10-19 01:01:15 AM  
I saw the Gremlins when I was about 12 and the whole "5 minutes before midnight = hunky-dory; 5 minutes past midnight = devastation; but for how long past midnight = who knows" thing bugged me to no end. Major incongruity. Full moons make a lot more sense than demon creatures bowing down to local wall clocks.
 
kab
2012-10-19 01:03:19 AM  
Whoever put the Matrix on this list for that reason simply wasn't paying attention.
 
2012-10-19 01:03:48 AM  

Fury Pilot: moothemagiccow: CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!

I figured the obvious hole was sending Loopers to be killed by their past selves. Someone else would've shot Willis, end of story.

Wasn't it part of their contracts that they had to close their own loop.


Here's what I didn't get: Why tell the loopers that this is going to happen? Even if for some farked up reason they absolutely must kill their future self or the planet will spin off its axis, just stick a bag over dude's head and blast him to the past but don't strap gold to his back. The looper would kill himself not ever knowing it was him from the future, collect his regular fee of silver bars and away he goes none the wiser.

Even better, let the future baddies kill the guy and send the corpse back to the past to be incinerated. There there's zero chance that a future you gets sent to the past and is allowed to run amok.

I like time travel as a premise but goddamnit, it's tough to make a good movie about it.
 
2012-10-19 01:03:53 AM  

Porous Horace: If Grady exists only in Jacks mind, who let him out of the pantry?


Answer: Grady, because he's "real."
 
2012-10-19 01:05:32 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: There is one thing that always bothered me about the Matrix:

How the hell do people think this is a good movie?


It's not a good movie.

It IS a fun movie though
 
kab
2012-10-19 01:07:26 AM  

Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.


Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.
 
2012-10-19 01:09:26 AM  

kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.


Sure, but come on, something else might also qualify as "under complete control." DEAD, for example. Maybe with an option on extinct. That was, any free humans left can't get to recruiting or anything.
 
2012-10-19 01:10:00 AM  

kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.


yeah the whole point was the machines were split about how to deal with their creators/enslavers
 
2012-10-19 01:12:13 AM  

moothemagiccow: we get that you're now using 100 percent of your brain

There's a movie seriously based on this bullshiat? We're not all latent telepaths. Our brains aren't rife with potential. We use most of the damned things.


No. Keep in mind that the author is a retard.
 
kab
2012-10-19 01:17:01 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Sure, but come on, something else might also qualify as "under complete control." DEAD, for example. Maybe with an option on extinct. That was, any free humans left can't get to recruiting or anything.


I'd have to watch again, but I believe that Zion existed prior to the Matrix being created, perhaps the machines didn't know where it was prior to that.
 
kab
2012-10-19 01:17:38 AM  
prior to constructing the matrix, I mean.
 
2012-10-19 01:19:37 AM  
always wanted a book version of starship troopers but that will never happen :'(
most of the crowd is to derpy for the book version.

/same thing with the mechwarrior series and why thats slowly dying off.
//though pgi is doin a great job on the newest one i hope it lives for some time.

link for those farkers who want to be in open beta next tuesday.
http://mwomercs.com/forums/
 
2012-10-19 01:21:08 AM  
i.imgur.com
Should be #1 for plot holes in a film.
 
2012-10-19 01:21:43 AM  

moothemagiccow: we get that you're now using 100 percent of your brain

There's a movie seriously based on this bullshiat? We're not all latent telepaths. Our brains aren't rife with potential. We use most of the damned things.


That's my wife's favorite sci-fi fallacy. "You only use 10% of your brain because the rest of it is busy keeping your heart beating, dumbass!"
 
2012-10-19 01:25:59 AM  
They missed a larger plot hole in Minority Report. Cruise's character gets an eye transplant so he can't be tracked by this massive big brother police force using retna identification, but he keeps his old eyes so he can use them to gain entrance into his old place of work. I'm not involved in anything close to a high security job and I promise you they'd change the locks on me within a day of being fired... or, you know, freaking out and killing a bunch of coworkers.
 
2012-10-19 01:26:29 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: There is one thing that always bothered me about the Matrix:

How the hell do people think this is a good movie?


Awesome shoot outs, crazy kung-fu and Carrie Ann Moss in a tight leather outfit?
 
2012-10-19 01:44:43 AM  
Years ago I read a story an elementary teacher submitted to Reader's Digest:

She read Cinderella to the class and one little boy looked pretty unhappy. When she asked him what was wrong, he said he didn't believe the story, because if the coach, horses and all her clothes changed at the stroke of midnight, how come the glass slipper didn't change back too....?

/Doh. My introduction to story plot holes... Now it bugs me every time I see the Disney movie w/ my kids.
 
2012-10-19 01:58:12 AM  
Those lazy cocks, simply saying, "Oh, it's a time travel movie, lol so there's totally plot holes" doesn't mean there were plot holes, much less one of the worst of all time. I thought the movie was very consistent.
 
2012-10-19 02:01:51 AM  

Ghastly: If a huge glaring plot-hole in your movie can only be explained by 1) watching a deleted scene, 2) reading the novel, 3) reading a follow-up comicbook/novel then you sucked at making your movie. The movie should be able to stand on its own and make sense without having to resort to outside material.

If your movie no longer makes sense because you deleted a scene that was crucial to the plot, then DON'T delete that scene. Find some non-critical fluff somewhere else in the movie to cut if shaving 5 minutes off your run time is really that crucial.

This whole "oh it'll make sense once you see the deleted scenes/director's cut/read the comicbook" crap is laziness and slipshoddery, pure and simple.


I'd kiss you if I wasn't so damned straight.
 
2012-10-19 02:03:22 AM  
As much as Battlefield Earth is retarded, "The entire movie is a plot hole. But specifically, when the "future cavemen" find 1,000-year-old jet fighters that they then fly in battle against an alien super power -- and win. How did they know what the jets were? How did they know how to fly them? How could the fighters even work after 1,000 years of neglect? How could they defeat alien technology?"

I don't know about the getting 1000 year old fighters to work, but the other two questions... uhhh that was explained, that alien thinking machine taught them everything and brought them up to I guess genius levels and that one human put a shiat load of the other stupid humans through it to educate them real quick.
 
2012-10-19 02:07:51 AM  

justtray: 1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?


1. They go around the universe giving life to planets. This scene is a visual demonstration. The planet is irrelevant to the plot, but presumably it's Earth.
2. It depends on what they were running from exactly. You're making an assumption out of nowhere. They're probably not running away from "the goo". Also, there's more goo elsewhere on the ship, and the goo in that room may well have been perfectly contained.
3. He's a moron. Why can't films have morons?
4. See point 3.
5. She doesn't. She spends most of the film clutching her wound in agony. She runs when she has to, but that's adrenaline for you.
6. Based on the approximate shape of the craft, distances and speeds, I don't believe that running to the side would've been better. Running sideways means not keeping up the distance between you and the craft. Also, these are humans, not androids.
 
2012-10-19 02:09:57 AM  

Son of Streak: moothemagiccow: we get that you're now using 100 percent of your brain

There's a movie seriously based on this bullshiat? We're not all latent telepaths. Our brains aren't rife with potential. We use most of the damned things.

That's my wife's favorite sci-fi fallacy. "You only use 10% of your brain because the rest of it is busy keeping your heart beating, dumbass!"


When I was with Primerica, my Regional Vice President pulled that bit on us one morning meeting. She asked "We only use 10% of our brains, imagine what it would be like if we used 100%?" I responded with "Probably the same result as pressing all the buttons on your computer's keyboard at once." She gave me this weird look, and then I explained to her that we only use 10% of our brain at most at a time in much the same way we only use at most three keys on the keyboard at a time.

So happy to be away from that shiat...
 
2012-10-19 02:13:35 AM  
That article has more plot holes than the movies it references.
 
2012-10-19 02:17:40 AM  
Want to talk about plot holes? What are the chances that Norville Barnes meets a Muncie girl who knows the Muncie fight song?
 
2012-10-19 02:20:05 AM  

SpanishNinja: I'll believe in three "Alien" movies, but not four


I had the recent displeasure of seeing Alien: Resurrection.

That movie made me retroactively hate Firefly, and everything else Joss Whedon.

Also, a VIDEO slideshow. My god. If this kind of thing becomes standard I'm going to mail the anthrax letters.
 
2012-10-19 02:29:55 AM  

netringer: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

The investigative reporter in Citizen Kane is interviewing everybody during the story to try to find out what "Rosebud" meant. Somehow they heard it.


Actually, in the original story boards, had a a nurse standing sitting next to him. Wells went a dramatic visual shot and tried to explain it later in dialogue leading to believe the Butler was in the room.
 
2012-10-19 02:48:34 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Ghastly: If a huge glaring plot-hole in your movie can only be explained by 1) watching a deleted scene, 2) reading the novel, 3) reading a follow-up comicbook/novel then you sucked at making your movie. The movie should be able to stand on its own and make sense without having to resort to outside material.

If your movie no longer makes sense because you deleted a scene that was crucial to the plot, then DON'T delete that scene. Find some non-critical fluff somewhere else in the movie to cut if shaving 5 minutes off your run time is really that crucial.

This whole "oh it'll make sense once you see the deleted scenes/director's cut/read the comicbook" crap is laziness and slipshoddery, pure and simple.

I'd kiss you if I wasn't so damned straight.


bp1.blogger.com
 
2012-10-19 02:55:14 AM  

justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.


1 is irrelevant to the plot either way. 3 was stupid, I was also bugged by their failure to refer to their own map. I laughed at 5 - I told my friends it was because the medpod performed super-surgery.

The one thing that really bugged me was how the alien-baby grew to the size of a whole room. Conservation of mass, anyone? Maybe it ate the upholstery off the surgery table. Tasty, nutritious upholstery.
 
kab
2012-10-19 02:55:47 AM  

Ghastly: This whole "oh it'll make sense once you see the deleted scenes/director's cut/read the comicbook" crap is laziness and slipshoddery a great way to sell DVD's after the fact, pure and simple.

 
2012-10-19 03:15:39 AM  

kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.


The heat energy thing was a giant bag of FAIL. They had just explained that the light of the sun had been blocked from earth. So, you've got an incredibly inefficient non-rechargeable battery at best.
 
ecl
2012-10-19 03:19:25 AM  

Arkanaut: justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.

1 is irrelevant to the plot either way. 3 was stupid, I was also bugged by their failure to refer to their own map. I laughed at 5 - I told my friends it was because the medpod performed super-surgery.

The one thing that really bugged me was how the alien-baby grew to the size of a whole room. Conservation of mass, anyone? Maybe it ate the upholstery off the surgery table. Tasty, nutritious upholstery.



That was a giant sh*tty plot hole.
 
2012-10-19 03:23:03 AM  

spamdog: SpanishNinja: I'll believe in three "Alien" movies, but not four

I had the recent displeasure of seeing Alien: Resurrection.

That movie made me retroactively hate Firefly, and everything else Joss Whedon.

Also, a VIDEO slideshow. My god. If this kind of thing becomes standard I'm going to mail the anthrax letters.


That wasn't a bad movie, you asshole. It wasn't the best but it was all about the characters and they were great.
 
2012-10-19 03:23:47 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Mugato: Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.

This link about the aliens in signs possibly being demons kind of blew my mind when I first read it.

However, it doesn't explain the radio signals being picked up on the baby monitor, nor the bird crashing into the ship... or the crop circles and the lights in the sky... but it explained the water and the pantry doors thing. 

And as much as I dislike Shyamalan for raping The Last Airbender, if he WAS really going for demons instead of aliens, it kind of brings back a little respect for him to me.


Ya that is very neat.

I HATED that aliens couldn't get through doors.
 
2012-10-19 03:25:39 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?


Well the narrative basis for the movie is that the reporter was assigned to go interview all of these people (Joseph Cotten, you rock) to find out what "Rosebud" meant. So someone had to have heard that it was his last word in order for the reporter to know that it was.

I just assumed it was Paul Stewart, the butler at Xanadu, who heard him say it.
 
2012-10-19 03:27:31 AM  

LesserEvil: "The RocK"

When Cage, Connery and the others enter Alcatraz through the "cistern room" - WTF? It's locked from the prison side. Why?

Then you have this strange half-geared flame-shooting contraption... Connery "analyzed the timing" and hoped it hadn't changed. Except for one small problem... that was to ESCAPE into the cistern room, not out of the room (and the door is bolted on the prison side... again, why bother with the giant flame thing if you are trying to get into the room to escape the prison, as Connery's character had? What is the contraption, anyway? Why is it still operational decades after the prison has closed?

Let's not even mention how he knew who really killed Kennedy, even though he was in prison for discovering this 2 YEARS BEFORE THE ASSASSINATION.


You are analyzing the plot of a Michael Bay movie.

You realize this, right?
 
2012-10-19 03:31:33 AM  

cman:
/Damn, with that $100 I could have bought 1 gallon of gas ONE GALLON OF GAS!!!


ftfy
 
2012-10-19 03:36:33 AM  

Digitalstrange: kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.

yeah the whole point was the machines were split about how to deal with their creators/enslavers


Machines would have no need to even share parts of the universe with humans. They could just leave. It is a big world.
 
2012-10-19 03:44:15 AM  
Spoiler: The web designer for the Huffington Post should be chained to the "Dance Dance Revolution" machine inside the only Chuck E. Cheese at an ADHD convention sponsored by Red Bull and Bullie, the 150 decibel bullhorn for children.
 
2012-10-19 03:45:31 AM  
My contribution is blade two: they have vampires in fully anti-light suits in the beginning and then go into the sewers to detonate the light grenades on the weirdo vampires... But none of them bring their helmets.

Ridiculous.
 
2012-10-19 03:50:52 AM  
One plot hole I never got over was Face/Off.

At the end of the movie, after Travolta killed Nic Cage and got changed back, why did he have his love handles put back in?
 
2012-10-19 03:58:13 AM  
"Batman Begins"

Why does everyone in rural China speak perfect English?

Where are the rest of the ninjas when Bruce Wayne is fighting Ra's Al Ghul (Ken Watanabe)?

Where are the rest of the doctors and nurses during the attack on Crane's big, empty insane asylum?

When Rachel is tripping on the hallucinogen, why does Nolan only show us the wiggly lights she sees when she looks out the Batmobile window? What about when she looks at Batman? Since everyone apparently has the same hallucinations, doesn't she see the demon-bat Crane saw and shouldn't that scare the crap out of her?

Why do the tripping Gothamites stop turning on each other and spontaneously organize to zombie-walk toward Rachel and the little boy? And why are there conveniently none of them around whenever Gordon or Rachel needs a moment of calm to accomplish something?

Why is Ra's the only person on the elevated train in the climax? It's not like he's working alone.

Why does Nolan make a point of showing us Bruce Wayne's stomach injury, then completely ignore that he's hurt for the rest of the film?

"The Island" - so full of holes it's a wonder the film doesn't get tangled up in the projector.

We're told there are several "generations" of clones, but we're never told how or why. Are the cloners using different processes each time? Other than being created a year apart, what makes the Echo "generation" different from Delta "generation"? We know the clones aren't reproducing and causing genetic variations.

If the clone farm's security monitors the residents so closely, why don't they realize when Lincoln has woken up and sneaked out of his room in the middle of the night?

Why would the cloning company need to bring Tom Lincoln in for "rescanning"? Don't they keep a copy of his DNA on file?

Why aren't Lincoln and Jordan surprised to see each other when they both end up at the clone facility in the finale?

How does Lincoln know the process for shutting down the holographic generators?

If Lincoln can evade scores of security guys, how come the scientist who runs the place can so easily sneak up on him for a final fight scene?

Since the clones have been told the world is contaminated, why are they all so anxious to go running outside for the movie's last shot?

Speaking of which, I guess Michael Bay's philosophy is, why write your own ending when you can lift the one from "Logan's Run" wholesale?

"The Day After Tomorrow"

From the satellite shots, it seems there's not a thing happening in southern hemisphere, but nobody explains why.

The supposedly genius Emmy Rossum character who supposedly "paid attention in health class" more than Gyllenhaal doesn't have the common sense to treat the huge gash on her leg -- or even tell anyone about it -- just so the movie can have a medical emergency and Jake can brave the storm looking for penicillin.

The huge cargo ship that comes floating down the street and stops right in front of the library exists in the script for the sole purpose of having a place for him to find said penicillin.

Why is the "nerdy" kid fixing the radio? Who's going to be broadcasting on AM or FM within range of that radio when the whole continent is frozen over?

The president gives "the order to evacuate the southern states." Evacuate them to WHERE?

In the Wendy's restaurant where Quaid and Mihok hole up, everything is frozen solid except the grill fires, yet it's warm enough to take off their coats and not see their breath.

Ditto all their tent scenes outdoors, in the middle of the biggest winter storm in 10,000 years.

The kids trapped in the library don't worry, wonder about, or even mention their parents.

The storm dissipates literally overnight.

The shots of the International Space Station show it literally tumbling through space, as if the thing orbits end-over-end.



"Flightplan"

Once the whole plot is revealed, it becomes obvious that it was dependent on the incredible unlikelihood that not one single person on the flight saw the missing girl at the gate or on the plane. The whole thing would fall apart if even one passenger said, "Yeah, I saw her." What kind of idiot villain comes up with a plan like that?

What's the villain's motive? Why such a complex ransom plan for so much money? Why not commit a simple kidnapping for a couple million dollars instead of this ridiculously complicated scheme involving staged suicides, staged disappearances, falsified passenger manifests, predicting the behavior of scape goats -- and doing it all with 400 captive-audience witnesses?

If the baddie is planning to kill the girl anyway, what's the point of keeping her alive, then leaving her unsecured (what about turbulence?) in the nose of the plane (which in the real world would have no heating)?

OK, I admit this one is completely extraneous and apropos to nothing, but what airline would paint their planes an ominous, uninviting dark gray?

"Star Trek: Nemesis"

Why do some parts of Shinzon's ship take 7 minutes to get into position for firing his weapon while others snap into place in seconds?

When Picard announced "battle stations!" why weren't the shields put up?

Why would the Enterprise return to Federation space by flying straight through a cloud that interferes with their systems and instruments? Why not go around it?

Why would the Reman soldiers passing in the hallway of Shinzon's ship believe Data's dumb twin would be asked to escort prisoner Picard to Shinzon at gunpoint instead of a guard?

Shinzon tells Picard (paraphrasing) "I'm afraid you won't be alive long enough to see me execute my evil plan"...then doesn't kill him.

Why are there only two Romulan birds of prey that come to the aid of the Enterprise?

When Shinzon starts backing up his ship after the Enterprise has rammed it, why not ram it again?

Isn't it convenient that nobody finds B4's "redundant memory port" a little suspicious?

How is it that the knickknacks and artifacts on display pedestals around everyone's quarters on the Enterprise never get knocked down with all the times the Enterprise has been rocked, shaken, blasted and stirred?

"Jurassic Park: The Lost World"

The bad scientists had about two dozen jeeps and humvees when they arrived on the island, so why are they trekking to their rescue rendezvous on foot?

When folks start getting eaten by velociraptors in the dark, why don't the rest of them just climb trees and stay put until morning?

Speilberg's "War of the Worlds"

Hundreds of thousands of giant, high-tech extraterrestrial "tripods" have supposedly been buried on Earth for millennia. How is it that not one of these things has ever been unearthed by thousands of years of erosion, plate tectonics, excavation and construction -- or detected by modern, ground-probing sonar equipment used to find fossils and oil?

Why didn't the aliens stay here when they brought all this equipment in the first place? Do they just go around the universe burying weapons on planets they might want to invade someday?


/don't ask
 
2012-10-19 04:00:23 AM  

wallywam1: kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.

The heat energy thing was a giant bag of FAIL. They had just explained that the light of the sun had been blocked from earth. So, you've got an incredibly inefficient non-rechargeable battery at best.


I heard somewhere, maybe it was just some rabid Matrix fan, that the original story was for the machines to use human brains for additional CPU capacity/reasoning ability as well as energy. The Matrix was designed as an ever-growing system of interconnected CPUs that all help power the illusion because once the human brain accepted it as reality, it would become part of the overall system itself. Once they could grow humans in pods, the system became self-sustainable until the presence of the anomaly, humans escaping, etc... which makes the Architect's speech in the second film make a bit more sense. It also was supposed to go into way more detail about the difference between the "primary machine" programming that the Agents of the system had and the other programs in the Matrix, and how humans may have subconsciously programmed some of them in the real world from inside their pods.

Warner Bros. thought it was too complicated for moviegoers, who would only give a crap about the special effects anyway.

/or so the story goes...
 
2012-10-19 04:02:16 AM  

KellyX:

I don't know about the getting 1000 year old fighters to work, but the other two questions... uhhh that was explained, that alien thinking machine taught them everything and brought them up to I guess genius levels and that one human put a shiat load of the other stupid humans through it to educate them real quick.


The machine tells them to look for:
A) ground attack jets to dogfight advanced alien fighters
B) U.S. Marine Corps jets at Fort Hood, an Army base.

Then there's the fact that the occupying aliens left Fort Hood, the LARGEST MILITARY BASE ON THE PLANET, mostly intact.
 
2012-10-19 04:12:23 AM  

Sgt Otter: KellyX:

I don't know about the getting 1000 year old fighters to work, but the other two questions... uhhh that was explained, that alien thinking machine taught them everything and brought them up to I guess genius levels and that one human put a shiat load of the other stupid humans through it to educate them real quick.

The machine tells them to look for:
A) ground attack jets to dogfight advanced alien fighters
B) U.S. Marine Corps jets at Fort Hood, an Army base.

Then there's the fact that the occupying aliens left Fort Hood, the LARGEST MILITARY BASE ON THE PLANET, mostly intact.


What about the fact that when the aliens originally attacked, these were the things they defeated in like 9 minutes? Did they devolve that much or did the jets improve in those 1000 years, like wine?
 
2012-10-19 04:35:04 AM  

CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!


They shot her by accident. They may have been caught and prosecuted in that timeline. Who knows since that timeline was altered away.
 
2012-10-19 04:37:41 AM  

justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.


Charlize Theron can't run in diagonals!!!
 
2012-10-19 04:40:11 AM  
Prometheus: they land and they watch a movie from an old dying man explaining the plot of the movie. What was the point of that? A couple hours later, the old man reveals he is actually on the ship. Was that some sort of joke? Why keep it a secret he is on the ship for a less than a day?
 
2012-10-19 04:40:19 AM  

Anarchangel: wallywam1: kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.

The heat energy thing was a giant bag of FAIL. They had just explained that the light of the sun had been blocked from earth. So, you've got an incredibly inefficient non-rechargeable battery at best.

I heard somewhere, maybe it was just some rabid Matrix fan, that the original story was for the machines to use human brains for additional CPU capacity/reasoning ability as well as energy. The Matrix was designed as an ever-growing system of interconnected CPUs that all help power the illusion because once the human brain accepted it as reality, it would become part of the overall system itself. Once they could grow humans in pods, the system became self-sustainable until the presence of the anomaly, humans escaping, etc... which makes the Architect's speech in the second film make a bit more sense. It also was supposed to go into way more detail about the difference between the "primary machine" programming that the Agents of the system had and the other programs in the Matrix, and how humans may have subconsciously programmed some of them in the real world from inside their pods.

Warner Bros. thought it was too complicated for moviegoers, who would only give a crap about the special effects anyway.

/or so the story goes...


Too sciencey for the public.
 
2012-10-19 04:44:11 AM  

nytmare: I saw the Gremlins when I was about 12 and the whole "5 minutes before midnight = hunky-dory; 5 minutes past midnight = devastation; but for how long past midnight = who knows" thing bugged me to no end. Major incongruity. Full moons make a lot more sense than demon creatures bowing down to local wall clocks.


I always thought about timezones, daylight savings....I'd just feed the farking thing whenever I wanted and kill anything that popped off of him before it hatched.
 
2012-10-19 04:48:36 AM  

wallywam1: kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.

The heat energy thing was a giant bag of FAIL. They had just explained that the light of the sun had been blocked from earth. So, you've got an incredibly inefficient non-rechargeable battery at best.


Well you've got nearly every human on earth hooked up, they're being fed by the dead and I'm sure the machines were breeding new humans. I don't know how much human energy per machine the machines needed, but if they adjust the ratio to fit the plot, it makes sense to me.
 
Skr
2012-10-19 05:01:33 AM  
Personally I thought Twelve Monkeys was a perfectly plotted self contained time travel story.

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2012-10-19 05:12:43 AM  

justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.


Tony Scott committed suicide so it feels kind of icky to discuss plot holes in Prometheus, doesn't it? At least, to me.
 
2012-10-19 05:41:53 AM  

stoli n coke: One plot hole I never got over was Face/Off.

At the end of the movie, after Travolta killed Nic Cage and got changed back, why did he have his love handles put back in?


Even before that. Why not just kill the bad guy after you remove his face?

If ET could make a bunch of kids on bikes fly, would could he fly his ass back to the ship in the first 10 minutes?
 
2012-10-19 05:42:48 AM  

MagSeven: wallywam1: kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.

The heat energy thing was a giant bag of FAIL. They had just explained that the light of the sun had been blocked from earth. So, you've got an incredibly inefficient non-rechargeable battery at best.

Well you've got nearly every human on earth hooked up, they're being fed by the dead and I'm sure the machines were breeding new humans. I don't know how much human energy per machine the machines needed, but if they adjust the ratio to fit the plot, it makes sense to me.


No sunlight means no new source of energy. So that leaves a closed system burning itself out.

Say you kill half the people and feed them to the other half. How long could one live person live off one dead person? Maybe a month or two? Cut the total population in half every two months and there will be no people left after only a few years.
 
2012-10-19 05:47:31 AM  
Is ya'll ig'nant? Were your parents cousin kissers? The most obvious plot hole is the FATE OF DANIEL SIMPSON "D-DAY" FARKIN' DAY, that's who. He could be your neighbor, your father, your father's raper, your wife's creepy uncle who looks at you like a rare piece of stinky French cheese at holidays, or just like that guy in the rusted chevy who cut you off yesterday when you obviously had the right-of-way, you pompous farkwit. But, no, we don't know. that's the plot hole that needs filled, you stupid farks,

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2012-10-19 05:49:59 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Tony Scott committed suicide so it feels kind of icky to discuss plot holes in Prometheus, doesn't it? At least, to me.


Why does the brother of the director committing suicide after the film was released have any bearing on criticizing Prometheus?
 
2012-10-19 05:54:58 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: That wasn't a bad movie, you asshole. It wasn't the best but it was all about the characters and they were great.


I hope I am missing sarcasm. I was stoked when Alien: Resurrection was announced. Jeunet is a bad-ass director, and I was eager to see what he would do with the Alien franchise. Had I realized he'd not also written it, I may have been less excited. That thing was a mess, and a complete waste of good talent.
 
2012-10-19 05:58:34 AM  

total165: Fury Pilot: moothemagiccow: CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!

I figured the obvious hole was sending Loopers to be killed by their past selves. Someone else would've shot Willis, end of story.

Wasn't it part of their contracts that they had to close their own loop.

Here's what I didn't get: Why tell the loopers that this is going to happen? Even if for some farked up reason they absolutely must kill their future self or the planet will spin off its axis, just stick a bag over dude's head and blast him to the past but don't strap gold to his back. The looper would kill himself not ever knowing it was him from the future, collect his regular fee of silver bars and away he goes none the wiser.

Even better, let the future baddies kill the guy and send the corpse back to the past to be incinerated. There there's zero chance that a future you gets sent to the past and is allowed to run amok.

I like time travel as a premise but goddamnit, it's tough to make a good movie about it.


All of this, right here. I don't mind a good time-travel yarn, if you're at least not going to me schmucks about it.

Not a movie, but Doctor Who's "Blink" episode? Yeah, that's cool.

This is a crap list.

As for Signs, I call BS on the plot hole as it stands. We humans like the idea of going to other planets where there's NO AIR, and yet, we'd call out this movie for aliens wanting to go to a planet that's mostly water? The only problem I have with it is that the aliens are advanced enough to travel to this planet, but not smart enough to have protective gear on.

And yes, Prometheus hella belongs on this list.
 
2012-10-19 06:01:17 AM  

unicron702: You want to know how Bruce Wayne got back to Gotham so fast? He's Bruce Wayne. He finds the nearest Wayne Corporation facility or a sister company and tells the front desk girl he'll be taking the jet back to Gotham.


Yeah, I don't get this as a plot hole. First of all, he's the god damn Batman. Second he's also a rich motherfarker with his name on a multinational corporation lots of global resources (the plot hole I'm more bothered by is that apparently ALL his assets disappeared in the stock transfer. Bullshiat.)
 
2012-10-19 06:01:27 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.

Tony Scott committed suicide so it feels kind of icky to discuss plot holes in Prometheus, doesn't it? At least, to me.


Wrong Scott brother. Prometheus was directed by Ridley and not Tony.
 
2012-10-19 07:01:02 AM  
hm, I don't recall seeing any eggs in Alien 3. I only recall seeing the facehugger walking around and eventually smashing into one of the pods. Alien 3 has quite a bit of holes otherwise.
 
2012-10-19 07:04:59 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: Alien 3 has quite a bit of holes otherwise.


Ummm...until Ripley crash landed, it was a total sausagefest...
 
2012-10-19 07:17:59 AM  

total165: Even better, let the future baddies kill the guy and send the corpse back to the past to be incinerated. There there's zero chance that a future you gets sent to the past and is allowed to run amok.


Something about the field generated by a living organism. Nothing dead will go. I didn't build the farking thing!
 
2012-10-19 07:31:31 AM  

Anarchangel: wallywam1: kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.

The heat energy thing was a giant bag of FAIL. They had just explained that the light of the sun had been blocked from earth. So, you've got an incredibly inefficient non-rechargeable battery at best.

I heard somewhere, maybe it was just some rabid Matrix fan, that the original story was for the machines to use human brains for additional CPU capacity/reasoning ability as well as energy. The Matrix was designed as an ever-growing system of interconnected CPUs that all help power the illusion because once the human brain accepted it as reality, it would become part of the overall system itself. Once they could grow humans in pods, the system became self-sustainable until the presence of the anomaly, humans escaping, etc... which makes the Architect's speech in the second film make a bit more sense. It also was supposed to go into way more detail about the difference between the "primary machine" programming that the Agents of the system had and the other programs in the Matrix, and how humans may have subconsciously programmed some of them in the real world from inside their pods.

Warner Bros. thought it was too complicated for moviegoers, who would only give a crap about the special effects anyway.

/or so the story goes...


So, let me start by saying that I'm a EE/HWw and since I got my EECS degree at Cal, I was forced to take man CS classes also. The human battery thing is super stupid but I can accept it. For whatever reason that's how they decided to power themselves.

Now, the trilogy gets a bad wrap., and I think it's totally unwarranted. While there was a while bunch of bullshiatty pseudo philosophy wankery, the technical side of things was VERY well thought out. Why there was a Neo, Why Neo had powers inside the Matrix. Who the Architect and the Oracle were and why. How All the Agent Smiths multiplied and why when defeating the most powerful (and lastish) all the others disappeared. Why Neo had to be analyzed and a new Matix singularity created. From a CS standpoint the movie was very tight.

I feel like the major plot hole was what Neo was able to leave the real world and enter the Matrix through inexplicable means. Similarly I was not so jazzed about Neo defeating real word; squiddies. through mind power and even worse was being able to see the machines and their world while blind.
But if I ignore Neo's real world machine interactions, I thought it was an amazing movie.
 
2012-10-19 07:45:16 AM  
"Memento"
If he can't store new memories how does he know he has anterograde amnesia?


Did they somehow miss the entire part of the movie where he says he takes pictures and tattoos himself to remind himself of new things he learns?
 
2012-10-19 08:06:20 AM  
Given that we don't know why the aliens were harvesting humans in "Signs," I can come up with a good reason for harvesting water-based lifeforms:

Assume that the aliens are in the middle of a war somewhere on their home planet, and that they could bio-mechanically control humans. Having an army of easily killed lifeforms who's entire body was made of acid (to the aliens) would be an awesome weapon.
 
2012-10-19 08:17:52 AM  

fusillade762: How did they compensate for the motion of the Earth in that one?


People who think this question is clever don't understand how time travel works (or would work, if it were possible).

To put it crudely, there is no such thing as "space travel" nor "time travel". All travel is "spacetime travel". If time travel to the past exists, it almost certainly involves traveling a path in spacetime that is continuous, not a discontinuous jump from one point in spacetime to another point in spacetime. A "time traveler" is always moving continuously in space too, so the question of the earth (or solar system or galaxy) "moving out from under him" simply doesn't apply.

This is hard to picture because you need 4 dimensions and our brains can only picture 3. Here's a very coarse and flawed analogy that might help. It's especially crude because it's going to have just one space dimension. Suppose you are an ant living on the surface of the earth, let's say at Greenwich, London, right on the Prime Meridian. Your spacetime has only two dimensions, represented by the surface of the earth: east-west represents time and north-south represents space. You can move north-south (space) at will, but not east-west (time). You are carried through "time" at a constant rate by the rotation of the earth: it's noon now, and an hour from now it will be 1pm, and so on. Ants living further east are in your future -- when it's noon for you it's 1pm for an ant in Paris -- and further west are in your past.

One day you decide to visit some ants (or possibly aunts) that live to your north. Eventually you reach a cold, snowy land. Now, you are an inteprid ant so you keep heading north and finally you reach the North Pole. You look around for a bit, but it's cold and featureless so you decide to head south again. However, without realizing it you got turned around in all that snow, and you're now facing about 19 degrees further west. Eventually you reach a city but to your surprise it's not London -- it's Boston, Mass. Even more surprising, when you compare your watch with the local ants you discover that your watch is five hours ahead of theirs! Somehow, while walking only north-south -- remember, you never actually walked east-west, you just stood on the pole and turned around -- and while traveling at a continuous rate into the future as far as you are concerned, and without ever noticing anything anomalous, and without your feet ever leaving the surface of the earth, you have traveled five hours into the past!

And that's what time travel would actually be like, if you can picture that with three space and one time dimensions.
 
2012-10-19 08:21:14 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "The Dark Knight"
"The Dark Knight Rises" is not the only movie in Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy that contains major plot holes. In the second film, when the Joker shows up at the fundraiser looking for Harvey Dent, he threatens Rachel, ultimately dropping her out of a window. Batman jumps after her, catching her in time to break her fall. But what happens to all those people still at the fundraiser? Did the Joker and his goons just shrug and leave?


Does it matter to the plot of the movie? Did Rachel need to take a dump after having the crap scared out of her from the whole being-thrown-out-the-window experience? Do we really need to know? At the time of the party, we know that Joker was there to just f*ck with everyone and stir up some high-profile trouble anyway. He accomplished that.

I thought he was there to kill Harvey Dent. Especially after that montage of Commissioner Leob and the Judge lady getting poisoned/blown the fark up. So again, we're back to "Did the Joker and his goons just shrug and leave? Making no further effort to find Harvey Dent? Who they were there to kill to begin with?"


Probably because he thought Batman was Harvey. He mentions it later on in the film.
 
2012-10-19 08:24:16 AM  
How does the guy who left the 300 Spartans before their final fight know what happened during said fight?
 
2012-10-19 08:28:27 AM  

czetie: fusillade762: How did they compensate for the motion of the Earth in that one?

People who think this question is clever don't understand how time travel works (or would work, if it were possible).

To put it crudely, there is no such thing as "space travel" nor "time travel". All travel is "spacetime travel". If time travel to the past exists, it almost certainly involves traveling a path in spacetime that is continuous, not a discontinuous jump from one point in spacetime to another point in spacetime. A "time traveler" is always moving continuously in space too, so the question of the earth (or solar system or galaxy) "moving out from under him" simply doesn't apply.

This is hard to picture because you need 4 dimensions and our brains can only picture 3. Here's a very coarse and flawed analogy that might help. It's especially crude because it's going to have just one space dimension. Suppose you are an ant living on the surface of the earth, let's say at Greenwich, London, right on the Prime Meridian. Your spacetime has only two dimensions, represented by the surface of the earth: east-west represents time and north-south represents space. You can move north-south (space) at will, but not east-west (time). You are carried through "time" at a constant rate by the rotation of the earth: it's noon now, and an hour from now it will be 1pm, and so on. Ants living further east are in your future -- when it's noon for you it's 1pm for an ant in Paris -- and further west are in your past.

One day you decide to visit some ants (or possibly aunts) that live to your north. Eventually you reach a cold, snowy land. Now, you are an inteprid ant so you keep heading north and finally you reach the North Pole. You look around for a bit, but it's cold and featureless so you decide to head south again. However, without realizing it you got turned around in all that snow, and you're now facing about 19 degrees further west. Eventually you reach a city but to your surprise it's not ...


I know it's hard, but it's time to put down the bong, son.
 
2012-10-19 08:28:42 AM  

Hoboclown: "Memento"
If he can't store new memories how does he know he has anterograde amnesia?

Did they somehow miss the entire part of the movie where he says he takes pictures and tattoos himself to remind himself of new things he learns?


Yes. In particular they missed the tattoo that says "Remember Sammy Jankis", as a way of reminding himself that he has the same condition that Sammy had.


Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Minority Report"
Like many time travel films, movies surrounding future timelines and predictions tend to be ripe with plot holes. "Minority Report" is no different, with the precogs predicting a future -- or at least future intentions -- that never comes to pass.

The author is screwed in the head on this one. The whole POINT of the movie was that the precogs weren't 100% perfect, and because of that the whole pre-crime concept was flawed, prone to abuse by people in power, and doomed to fail.


Yes. And the whole point of the source short story by Philip K. Dick was the inherent paradox of a prediction about the future that could change the future -- and not the tedious, well-worn technical paradox but the much more interesting moral paradox of punishing somebody for a crime not committed.
 
2012-10-19 08:31:37 AM  

1. Put snakes on plane: I know it's hard, but it's time to put down the bong, son.


I have no idea what you think that means, but I'm perfectly lucid, and so was my post.

By the way, I'm willing to bet that I have at least a decade on you, maybe two, "son".
 
2012-10-19 08:47:24 AM  
I guess the author never saw Gremlins 2 where they tear apart the whole time zone issue.
 
2012-10-19 08:47:31 AM  
This list is just awful. I really just wanted to say that while reading it.

And no, you can't defend Prometheus by saying that everything can be explained because of idiotic mistakes by the crew. If that's the case then you have no compelling characters which makes the movie bad anyways.
 
2012-10-19 08:48:24 AM  
Can't people just enjoy a movie any more?
 
2012-10-19 08:51:20 AM  

snowshovel: Given that we don't know why the aliens were harvesting humans in "Signs," I can come up with a good reason for harvesting water-based lifeforms:

Assume that the aliens are in the middle of a war somewhere on their home planet, and that they could bio-mechanically control humans. Having an army of easily killed lifeforms who's entire body was made of acid (to the aliens) would be an awesome weapon.


*Throws away script to Alien 5*
 
2012-10-19 08:53:00 AM  
Also...
Thats the one you pick from the dark knight. RLY? Not the sonar cell phone that was suddenly in everybody's phone and could communicate in real time to a master unit which then instantaneously went to goggles? Which Batman preferred to wear for absolutely no reason during the fight with the Joker, in which Batman is supposed to have trained fighting badies exclusively in darkness?

I love that movie, but I cringe every time that scene starts.
 
2012-10-19 08:56:52 AM  

Summoner101: cman: #5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.

They also obviously haven't seen Primer.

It may have a plot hole somewhere, but that'd require you understanding what the hell is going on to find it or even care.


They never saw Timecrimes either.
 
2012-10-19 08:58:35 AM  
Anyone that worries about plot holes in a fantasy-based film is a pretentious douche.
 
2012-10-19 09:12:46 AM  
In Time Bandits, where did Sean Connery come from, and how does an ancient middle eastern king become a fireman!!!
 
2012-10-19 09:14:01 AM  

thecpt: This list is just awful. I really just wanted to say that while reading it.

And no, you can't defend Prometheus by saying that everything can be explained because of idiotic mistakes by the crew. If that's the case then you have no compelling characters which makes the movie bad anyways.


Vickers picked the crew members and she wanted the mission to fail. She wanted her father to die so she could finally take over Weyland Industries.
 
2012-10-19 09:22:28 AM  
Some people clearly didn't listen when Morpheus was explaining shiat. With all the human battery and recycling crap someone that has heard of conservation of energy and thermodynamics also added to the script "coupled with a form of fusion"

Transcript

The human generates more bio-electricity than 120-volt

battery and over 25,000 BTVs of body heat. Combined with

a form of fusion, the machines have found all the energy

they would ever need. There are fields...endless fields,

were human beings are no longer born. We are grown. For

longest time, I wouldn't belive it...and then I saw the

fields with my own eyes. Watch them liquefy the dead, so

they could be fed intravenously to the living. And standing

there, facing the pure horrifying precision, I came to

realize the obviousness of the truth. What is The Matrix?

Control. The Matrix is a computer generated dream world,

built to keep us under control in order to change a human

being into this.
 
2012-10-19 09:34:19 AM  

Hoboclown: "Memento"
If he can't store new memories how does he know he has anterograde amnesia?

Did they somehow miss the entire part of the movie where he says he takes pictures and tattoos himself to remind himself of new things he learns?


Not to mention a big part of the twist at the end is that his disorder is ultimately psychological and not physical in nature. He had memories from after the accident: they are incredibly distorted and he falsely believe they were from before the accident, but his brain is capable of retaining knowledge of what happened after the accident so long as it does not disturb his greater assumptions of what happened to him on the night of the accident.

I think I managed to explain that without spoiling the movie.
 
2012-10-19 09:35:21 AM  

Riotboy: Vickers picked the crew members and she wanted the mission to fail. She wanted her father to die so she could finally take over Weyland Industries.


No. That doesn't make sense. She could've killed them during transit somehow and nobody would've been the wiser because no one knew he was there (don't give me BS that David could have stopped her, she was supposed be good enough to figure something out). Plus Weyland picked the two main characters, and that guy was an impatient loose canon. Aka idiot.
 
2012-10-19 09:41:16 AM  
I followed the link in the description and found the theory posited there to be one of the best I've heard.

Copypasta'd:
When I first saw this film, I didn't realize that it wasn't about aliens at all. It's about the return of demons. Notice it's all about a priest's resurgence of belief, and a preordained moment of redemption-if-dared-and-attempted. There is no alien technology or weaponry or clothing of any kind, only a clawed, naked beast creature and lights in the sky.

Furthermore: The running joke throughout the movie is that people see these "invaders" in a way that's related to their particular frame of mind: The cop sees them as prankster kids, the bookstore owners see them as "a hoax to sell commercials," the Army recruitment officer sees them as invading military, the kids see them as UFOs... and the Priest sees them as test of faith. This understanding of the film removed my hatred of the "You've got to be kidding me; they were killed by WATER!" concept. In fact, the priest's daughter had been referred to as "holy" (as revealed during Mel's key monologue)-recognized by all who saw her at her birth as "an Angel;" and her quite particular relationship to water is shown to be very special and spiritual: In other words, she has placed vials of what are, essentially, HOLY WATER all around the house. (And the creature's reaction when coming in contact with this blessed liquid is EXACTLY like monsters/vampires being splashed by spiritual "acid.")

This view of the movie also explains the creature's actions: They act like superior tricksters, are not able to break in through closed doors, can be trapped behind simple wooden latches -all mythological elements of demons and vampire-like creatures of lore. It also explains the news over the radio at the end of the movie that an ancient method of killing the creatures has been found "in three small cities in the Middle East" - one would suspect the religious "hubs" of the three main Abrahamic traditions, each discovering the "mystic methods" of protection-and-dispatch that I've noted earlier.

Note also: All the Christian iconography throughout the movie, the references to "Signs and Wonders" (the true meaning of the title), the crucifix shapes hinted-at everywhere (check out the overhead shot, looking down on the street driving into town) and the ultimate fact that the entire movie is built around a Priest rediscovering he is not abandoned to a random, Godless, scientifically-oriented Universe but, rather, is part of a predicted and dreamed-of plan.

Now -these creatures may for all intents and purposes be some sort of extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional "aliens" -but the point of the movie seems to be that they are, in the ACTUALITY OF THE FILM WORLD, the dark stuff from which all the character's tales of devils and night-creatures were born.


Eh, shaddup.

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2012-10-19 09:41:28 AM  

Faddy: Some people clearly didn't listen when Morpheus was explaining shiat. With all the human battery and recycling crap someone that has heard of conservation of energy and thermodynamics also added to the script "coupled with a form of fusion"

Transcript

The human generates more bio-electricity than 120-volt battery and over 25,000 BTVs of body heat. Combined with a form of fusion, the machines have found all the energy they would ever need. There are fields...endless fields, were human beings are no longer born. We are grown. For longest time, I wouldn't belive it...and then I saw the fields with my own eyes. Watch them liquefy the dead, so
they could be fed intravenously to the living. And standing there, facing the pure horrifying precision, I came to realize the obviousness of the truth. What is The Matrix? Control. The Matrix is a computer generated dream world, built to keep us under control in order to change a human being into this.


It's still bullcrap. They should have kept the original idea.
 
2012-10-19 09:42:03 AM  
The virus was transmitted to the mother ship from an antenna that had been mounted on the captured spaceship.


The real plot hole is that Jeff Goldboom could act.

/faster faster must go faster
 
2012-10-19 09:51:24 AM  

SpanishNinja: fusillade762: Aliens

I'll believe in three "Alien" movies, but not four


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2012-10-19 09:55:20 AM  
Ok, Aliens (Alien 2 if you will) when Ripley is fighting the Queen and there is a 20' X 20' hole in the floor and the vacuum of space pulls on Ripley and the Alien but she is able to eventually climb up the ladder and close the airlock.

In Alien Resurrection (Alien 4 if you will) there is a small flick of Ripley's now somewhat Alien blood on the window of the ship where the acid in her blood opens up a pinhole that sucks the cute Alien Babby out of the window like Jello through a straw and all of this while already somewhat into the atmosphere (note the clouds out of the window) vice the full vacuum of space in Aliens.

That kind of physics bullshiat like sound in space just crack me up.
 
2012-10-19 10:02:10 AM  

rocky_howard: This. I don't know why people get so focused on that. Also, Batman Begins showed him traveling through the world with zero money. He's a resourceful man.


No, sorry not this.

He was in the middle of no where. He would have spent days using local transportation just to get to city large enough to have one.

Plus even on a nice corporate jet the flight time doesn't change.

It was a huge plot hole.
 
2012-10-19 10:02:34 AM  
Is the Bane one "how did he get batman to the prison hole so fast really a plot hole? I mean by the end of the movie you know who is backing bane, which means the dude has access to tons of money and resources. You can fly to most places in the world in around a day, so do we really need a scene of bane and unconscious batman sitting on a plane waiting to get to wherever that prison was for the movie to work? If they ended up on a different planet that would be a plot hole, but air travel is not what I would call a plot hole.
 
2012-10-19 10:04:03 AM  

justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.


I actually like Prometheus. re: lost map guy and the idiotic biologist pal -- when they first discover the body of the headless Engineer/Big Alien Guy and the geologist 'bad ass' freaks out and wants to go back to the ship. Why in the ever loving hell would the biologist freak out and go back with him?? No matter what sub-field of biology you were in, wouldn't finding a dead, giant alien be the absolute motherlode of a discovery??

#6. A lot of films/shows get this so wrong. A tower/slender-ish object is slowly falling towards you. Why run in its shadow? Turn 90 degrees and run like hell.

They sure picked some pussies for such a mission. "Does the unexplained frighten you?" If you answer 'yes' on the questionnaire, you ain't going on the mission. Lots and lots of holes/bad acting in the movie. But I thought the underlying story was fascinating.
 
2012-10-19 10:06:27 AM  

nytmare: I saw the Gremlins when I was about 12 and the whole "5 minutes before midnight = hunky-dory; 5 minutes past midnight = devastation; but for how long past midnight = who knows"


That always bugged me,too. I always wondered how you'd know when it's safe to give them breakfast.
 
2012-10-19 10:07:54 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: rocky_howard: This. I don't know why people get so focused on that. Also, Batman Begins showed him traveling through the world with zero money. He's a resourceful man.

No, sorry not this.

He was in the middle of no where. He would have spent days using local transportation just to get to city large enough to have one.

Plus even on a nice corporate jet the flight time doesn't change.

It was a huge plot hole.


Actually I think if you pay attention to the movie (and the timer on the bomb) it is five months from when the bomb was started to when it was to go off. Bruce arrived in Gotham like a day or two before the timer was up. So even if he spent 3 months in that prison healing and trying to get out, he would still have two months to travel from wherever the prison was back to gotham. Which shouldn't be that difficult considering this is Batman we are talking about. Plus for all we know the prison could be in central america somewhere, which wouldn't be that far from the Continental US and Gotham.
 
2012-10-19 10:08:32 AM  

Faddy: Some people clearly didn't listen when Morpheus was explaining shiat. With all the human battery and recycling crap someone that has heard of conservation of energy and thermodynamics also added to the script "coupled with a form of fusion"


If they have "a form of fusion", they don't need the humans.

Regardless of how you spin it, adding humans into the energy production chain can only be a net loss. It's exactly analogous to the fact that in energy terms it's a lot less efficient (but more tasty) to feed grain to cattle to make steaks to feed to people than if people just ate the grain in the first place. The only conceivable way it could make sense is if the "form of fusion" they have is so peculiar that only a human body or brain can turn it into useful energy, so the losses involved in growing humans are unavoidable.

Frankly the Matrix would have been a much scarier prospect if they had discarded the whole "living batteries" thing and admitted that the machines were running the Matrix purely for their own perverse pleasure. Since they have "a form of fusion" they have more power than they know what to do with, so they entertain themselves with a human-powered MMORPG. What they want from humans is something only they can provide: imagination.

/No, I didn't see any of the sequels, so go easy on me if that was actually the plot in the subsequent movies.
 
2012-10-19 10:08:43 AM  

czetie: Hoboclown: "Memento"
If he can't store new memories how does he know he has anterograde amnesia?

Did they somehow miss the entire part of the movie where he says he takes pictures and tattoos himself to remind himself of new things he learns?

Yes. In particular they missed the tattoo that says "Remember Sammy Jankis", as a way of reminding himself that he has the same condition that Sammy had.


Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Minority Report"
Like many time travel films, movies surrounding future timelines and predictions tend to be ripe with plot holes. "Minority Report" is no different, with the precogs predicting a future -- or at least future intentions -- that never comes to pass.

The author is screwed in the head on this one. The whole POINT of the movie was that the precogs weren't 100% perfect, and because of that the whole pre-crime concept was flawed, prone to abuse by people in power, and doomed to fail.

Yes. And the whole point of the source short story by Philip K. Dick was the inherent paradox of a prediction about the future that could change the future -- and not the tedious, well-worn technical paradox but the much more interesting moral paradox of punishing somebody for a crime not committed.


Pssst...there is no Sammy Jankis.
 
2012-10-19 10:09:26 AM  

Xanlexian: They sure picked some pussies for such a mission. "Does the unexplained frighten you?" If you answer 'yes' on the questionnaire, you ain't going on the mission. Lots and lots of holes/bad acting in the movie. But I thought the underlying story was fascinating.


Yeah that bothered me. that guy had no business being hired. Also the biologist who thinks walking up to an alien life form, the first live one ever discovered and trying to pet it, was pretty stupid of anyone with even a couple years training.

What bothered me the most was how they jumped to conclusions with little evidence.

They left maps = they engineered us? WTF? how to you get to that?
The black goo is changing people = Biological weapons facility. huh?

I hate when a movie does that just for plot convenience.

But overall, I liked the movie
 
2012-10-19 10:11:12 AM  

mechgreg: Actually I think if you pay attention to the movie (and the timer on the bomb) it is five months from when the bomb was started to when it was to go off.


I'll have to watch it again, but I thought he had only like 18 hours or something to escape and get back to Gotham.
 
2012-10-19 10:18:21 AM  

czetie: Frankly the Matrix would have been a much scarier prospect if they had discarded the whole "living batteries" thing and admitted that the machines were running the Matrix purely for their own perverse pleasure. Since they have "a form of fusion" they have more power than they know what to do with, so they entertain themselves with a human-powered MMORPG. What they want from humans is something only they can provide: imagination.

/No, I didn't see any of the sequels, so go easy on me if that was actually the plot in the subsequent movies.


I always thought they should have said they needed participants of the Matrix to write code for the Matrix in order to preserve it. The common line like Humans are the only thing with the capacity for imagination in order to resolve new issues, and that they needed an entire society of people in order to obtain the amount of people capable of dealing with the problems without even knowing. Sadly, they didn't. But the sequels didn't go into it any further so if you were okay with the initial premise then you could continue. Until the third one suckitude at least.
 
2012-10-19 10:22:26 AM  
Any Time Travel Movie

Nope, time travel is carefully explained here.
 
2012-10-19 10:22:41 AM  

Xanlexian: justtray:

Re: Prometheus

But I thought the underlying story was fascinating.


I agree. I enjoyed the movie, plot holes and all.

Also, many of the supposed "holes" (such as the list RLM spins off) are not really holes; just things that weren't explained. I like movies where everything isn't spelled out -- like why were the holographic aliens running into the room? That's not a hole; that's a mystery; which is a good thing. Just because the goo wasn't explained doesn't make it a "hole".
 
2012-10-19 10:29:27 AM  
Memento: If he can't store new memories how does he remember he has anterograde amnesia?

In real life people with this condition can remember simple things if they're constantly repeated, like the fact that it's been X years since they got sick, or to look in a certain notepad to see what they should be doing, etc.
 
2012-10-19 10:30:57 AM  

wallywam1: kab: Mugato: As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy.

Well, no, the point of using humans was to keep what the machines perceived as their primary enemy under complete control, AND to acquire heat energy.

Basically.

The heat energy thing was a giant bag of FAIL. They had just explained that the light of the sun had been blocked from earth. So, you've got an incredibly inefficient non-rechargeable battery at best.


True. Plus why wouldn't the robots use nuke power? Gamma wouldn't affect them and alpha/beta wouldn't penetrate.
 
2012-10-19 10:36:12 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?

Well the narrative basis for the movie is that the reporter was assigned to go interview all of these people (Joseph Cotten, you rock) to find out what "Rosebud" meant. So someone had to have heard that it was his last word in order for the reporter to know that it was.

I just assumed it was Paul Stewart, the butler at Xanadu, who heard him say it.


Alternate explanation: the entire film takes place in Kane's mind as he's dying (a "life flashing before your eyes" kind of thing). So, the reporter's ultimately fruitless search for the meaning of "Rosebud" is a metaphor for the fact that nobody, not even his closest friends and associates, ever really knew Kane.
 
2012-10-19 10:37:59 AM  

stewbert: True. Plus why wouldn't the robots use nuke power? Gamma wouldn't affect them and alpha/beta wouldn't penetrate.


The environment was destroyed which meant that surface temperature would go from far below zero to absurdly hot daily. Nuke power usually relies on some system of water for coolant and the NRC maintains that if water temperature is above 70 degrees F then problems could arise with the obvious result. Not saying that your theory is debunked, but this could be a logical reason why. There are other methods of cooling, I'm just not familiar with how they relate to current environments like water does.
 
2012-10-19 10:40:40 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.

Tony Scott committed suicide so it feels kind of icky to discuss plot holes in Prometheus, doesn't it? At least, to me.


Why, he didn't direct it.
 
2012-10-19 10:54:05 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: After being in the military myself, I think how stupid it was that the entire battle plan was "Let's send a bunch of F-18s to shoot missiles and hopefully blow up a 15 mile diameter object..." instead of "Let's first use stand-off tactics and launch some harpoons from some cruisers and destroyers several miles away to see if they have any effect, and THEN use close range fighters..." or something less stupid.


That bugged me too, but not as much as the whole "Hey, 95% of our planes are F-18's because that was all the CGI company at the time really knew how to do."

/Yes, I know there are a few F-14's in there in like 2 scenes for a split second
//If you're gonna put out massive damage on a large object without nukes in an environment hostile with enemy fighters wouldn't you go for A-10's?
 
2012-10-19 10:55:33 AM  

Arkanaut: The one thing that really bugged me was how the alien-baby grew to the size of a whole room. Conservation of mass, anyone? Maybe it ate the upholstery off the surgery table. Tasty, nutritious upholstery.


The same way a chestburster turns into a full grown xenomorph without eating anything.
 
2012-10-19 10:56:02 AM  

puckrock2000: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?

Well the narrative basis for the movie is that the reporter was assigned to go interview all of these people (Joseph Cotten, you rock) to find out what "Rosebud" meant. So someone had to have heard that it was his last word in order for the reporter to know that it was.

I just assumed it was Paul Stewart, the butler at Xanadu, who heard him say it.

Alternate explanation: the entire film takes place in Kane's mind as he's dying (a "life flashing before your eyes" kind of thing). So, the reporter's ultimately fruitless search for the meaning of "Rosebud" is a metaphor for the fact that nobody, not even his closest friends and associates, ever really knew Kane.


Orson Welles? Use metaphors in his film making? NOW who's grasping at straws!
 
2012-10-19 10:57:45 AM  

zarberg: ThatBillmanGuy: After being in the military myself, I think how stupid it was that the entire battle plan was "Let's send a bunch of F-18s to shoot missiles and hopefully blow up a 15 mile diameter object..." instead of "Let's first use stand-off tactics and launch some harpoons from some cruisers and destroyers several miles away to see if they have any effect, and THEN use close range fighters..." or something less stupid.

That bugged me too, but not as much as the whole "Hey, 95% of our planes are F-18's because that was all the CGI company at the time really knew how to do."

/Yes, I know there are a few F-14's in there in like 2 scenes for a split second
//If you're gonna put out massive damage on a large object without nukes in an environment hostile with enemy fighters wouldn't you go for A-10's?


A C-130 pushing a daisy-cutter out of the back about 10,000 feet above one of the city destroyers would have been bad assed.
 
2012-10-19 11:00:11 AM  
I didn't get past the modified Universal logo in Waterworld.
 
2012-10-19 11:06:51 AM  
missing Empire Strikes Back.

so Luke and R2 go one way while Han, Chewie, and Leia go another. Luke completes his jedi training in an afternoon? How long are the others hanging out with Lando and the Imperials?

Yeah I know - pile on the Lucas hate.
 
2012-10-19 11:06:53 AM  

LoneDoggie: A C-130 pushing a daisy-cutter out of the back about 10,000 feet above one of the city destroyers would have been bad assed.


Indeed it would, but it would have been torn apart by the alien fighters.
 
2012-10-19 11:10:15 AM  

Hans Kammler: missing Empire Strikes Back.

so Luke and R2 go one way while Han, Chewie, and Leia go another. Luke completes his jedi training in an afternoon? How long are the others hanging out with Lando and the Imperials?

Yeah I know - pile on the Lucas hate.


Luke had a working hyperdrive, so he got to Dagobah almost instantly. The Falcon's was broken, so it took them a very long time to get to Bespin.

Next!
 
2012-10-19 11:13:28 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Can't people just enjoy a movie any more?


Good gosh!!
SO.

MUCH.

THIS
.
 
2012-10-19 11:15:42 AM  

1. Put snakes on plane: czetie: fusillade762: How did they compensate for the motion of the Earth in that one?

People who think this question is clever don't understand how time travel works (or would work, if it were possible).

To put it crudely, there is no such thing as "space travel" nor "time travel". All travel is "spacetime travel". If time travel to the past exists, it almost certainly involves traveling a path in spacetime that is continuous, not a discontinuous jump from one point in spacetime to another point in spacetime. A "time traveler" is always moving continuously in space too, so the question of the earth (or solar system or galaxy) "moving out from under him" simply doesn't apply.

This is hard to picture because you need 4 dimensions and our brains can only picture 3. Here's a very coarse and flawed analogy that might help. It's especially crude because it's going to have just one space dimension. Suppose you are an ant living on the surface of the earth, let's say at Greenwich, London, right on the Prime Meridian. Your spacetime has only two dimensions, represented by the surface of the earth: east-west represents time and north-south represents space. You can move north-south (space) at will, but not east-west (time). You are carried through "time" at a constant rate by the rotation of the earth: it's noon now, and an hour from now it will be 1pm, and so on. Ants living further east are in your future -- when it's noon for you it's 1pm for an ant in Paris -- and further west are in your past.

One day you decide to visit some ants (or possibly aunts) that live to your north. Eventually you reach a cold, snowy land. Now, you are an inteprid ant so you keep heading north and finally you reach the North Pole. You look around for a bit, but it's cold and featureless so you decide to head south again. However, without realizing it you got turned around in all that snow, and you're now facing about 19 degrees further west. Eventually you reach a city but to your surprise it's not ...

I know it's hard, but it's time to put down the bong, son.


I get the continuous line bit, but you aren't walking when you time travel so if your ant got turned around and the line was all over the map the you just wound up in outer space.

Anyways, port people into the marianas trench or a volcano.
 
2012-10-19 11:16:15 AM  

thecpt: Also...
Thats the one you pick from the dark knight. RLY? Not the sonar cell phone that was suddenly in everybody's phone and could communicate in real time to a master unit which then instantaneously went to goggles? Which Batman preferred to wear for absolutely no reason during the fight with the Joker, in which Batman is supposed to have trained fighting badies exclusively in darkness?

I love that movie, but I cringe every time that scene starts.


The climax is just incredibly contrived. Joker's planning something, it's got to do with the rico prisoners- let's put them all in one place. Then again it is the government making that wild ass assumption and subsequent dumbass move.
 
2012-10-19 11:19:52 AM  
The Lorax:
Why didn't that jackass just plant the farking seed he had instead of waiting 40 years for the kid to come ask for it?
 
2012-10-19 11:23:15 AM  
I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.
Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.
Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one
//can buy the energy argument in the first
 
2012-10-19 11:24:31 AM  

Mugato: Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.


Not to mention that the robots, not needing air or life-friendly conditions to survive, could have just left the planet for mars or something at any point. When they revolted and formed their own nation (from the AniMatrix), they could have just left. When things started getting heated, they could have just left. Definitely when the sky was scorched and they had previously run on solar power, they SHOULD have just left.

Defeating humanity and then using humans as batteries is about the least sensible plan available.

------------

And as for Alien 3, the book explained that the drone aliens had in them the capacity to create one queen egg (at the cost of their life) for the survival of the hive (or I suppose creating new hives), and that there was a drone that snuck onto the shuttle and did just that.
 
2012-10-19 11:24:39 AM  

flaminio: Hans Kammler: missing Empire Strikes Back.

so Luke and R2 go one way while Han, Chewie, and Leia go another. Luke completes his jedi training in an afternoon? How long are the others hanging out with Lando and the Imperials?

Yeah I know - pile on the Lucas hate.

Luke had a working hyperdrive, so he got to Dagobah almost instantly. The Falcon's was broken, so it took them a very long time to get to Bespin.

Next!


One of the official Star Wars books puts the Falcon's trip from being latched onto the Star Destroyer to Bespin at "at least a few weeks."
 
2012-10-19 11:26:25 AM  
This one has always bugged me:

The Princess Bride

How did Inigo know that the Man In Black's true love was marrying Prince Humperdink? The last time he saw the Man In Black, he didn't know who he was, why he was pursuing them, and Inigo ended up unconscious after getting beat in a swordfight. The Man in Black never tells him anything. The next time we see Inigo, he's stinking drunk, and once sobered up, knows that Humperdink is marrying The Man In Black's true love?

Where did Inigo gain this insight into the details of Buttercup and Westley's relationship?
 
2012-10-19 11:27:24 AM  

EyeballKid: How does the guy who left the 300 Spartans before their final fight know what happened during said fight?


he doesn't. he was a storyteller, that's why leonidas sent him back to sparta. he knows that leonidas and his men all died, so he just told a story about how they all died, it didn't have to be factual, it just had to be emotional and dramatic so the people in sparta and greece would be willing to go to war against persia.
 
2012-10-19 11:27:36 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Arkanaut: The one thing that really bugged me was how the alien-baby grew to the size of a whole room. Conservation of mass, anyone? Maybe it ate the upholstery off the surgery table. Tasty, nutritious upholstery.

The same way a chestburster turns into a full grown xenomorph without eating anything.


Conservation of mass in the Aliens movies is just as troubling as the conservation of energy in the Matrix movies.

If only they went with something other than human batteries, the first matrix might be one of the most enjoyable sci fi movies ever.

the other two don't exist.
 
2012-10-19 11:29:40 AM  

nameofperson: I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.
Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.
Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one
//can buy the energy argument in the first


I enjoyed the second one. I really enjoyed the twist at the end with the multiple iterations and such, and the big wtf moment where the robots fall dead out of the air had my friends and I speculating wildly about what was going on. It was a magnificent setup for what could have been a really great third movie.

Then the third movie decided to explain it with some type of Jesus powers which made no sense.
 
2012-10-19 11:31:05 AM  

nameofperson: I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.
Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.
Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one
//can buy the energy argument in the first


I completely agree with you. The second one is actually my favorite and not just for the immense action, but for the expansion about how programs abuse the Matrix and how it is constructed. The possibilities and cliff hanger ending are incredible and let your mind race. The third one is the complete let down, but people group the second with the first.

You will find me in threads defending the second one every so often.
 
2012-10-19 11:32:11 AM  
I don't know if this was explained or not but why would the Terminators keep going back to kill Sarah Conner or John Conner?

Why not go back and kill their grandparents? Or Great-grandparents?

Far back enough that it would have been easy to kill them and they wouldn't have the technology or weapons to fight back?

If the Terminators went back to 1880 or so, problem solved and a whole line or Conners are wiped out to boot!
 
2012-10-19 11:34:31 AM  

thecpt: Riotboy: Vickers picked the crew members and she wanted the mission to fail. She wanted her father to die so she could finally take over Weyland Industries.

No. That doesn't make sense. She could've killed them during transit somehow and nobody would've been the wiser because no one knew he was there (don't give me BS that David could have stopped her, she was supposed be good enough to figure something out). Plus Weyland picked the two main characters, and that guy was an impatient loose canon. Aka idiot.


Why would Vickers kill the crew knowing that Weyland is onboard the ship with his bodyguards overseeing the events through David? She knew what she was doing and almost succeeded.
 
2012-10-19 11:36:57 AM  

justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?
2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?

There's more, but I'm tired, and the slideshow is too stupid to earn any further explanation of plot holes.


Obviously earth, that was supposedly their base they didn't know it was a death trap, his mic was cutting out and the storm, it was because they saw movement on the other side, c-section girl is because future shiat, I can't explain the running to the side issue. I even said in the film, "run to the side tight ass chralize!!! Don't crush that ass!!!"

Probably the greatest tragedy of that film is that she died.
 
2012-10-19 11:37:12 AM  

buntz: I don't know if this was explained or not but why would the Terminators keep going back to kill Sarah Conner or John Conner?

Why not go back and kill their grandparents? Or Great-grandparents?

Far back enough that it would have been easy to kill them and they wouldn't have the technology or weapons to fight back?

If the Terminators went back to 1880 or so, problem solved and a whole line or Conners are wiped out to boot!


My theory is that the farther back you go the more people in the future it affects. I mean say you go back to the 1800's and kill John Conner's ancestor. The problem is that dude might also be the ancestor of some senator or something who approves funding for skynet in the first place. Plus even in the first one they said that in the future records from before judgement day were super spotty, and pretty much all they knew was that John Connor's mom was a woman who lived in LA in 1984. Remember the terminator had to look her up in the phone book. I imagine trying to find info about John's grandparents or great-grandparents would be even harder.
 
2012-10-19 11:39:51 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: Limitless
Okay, Eddie; we get that you're now using 100 percent of your brain, making you one of the smartest people on Earth. So why didn't you stop to consider another way of accumulating $100,000 to bolster your stock investments rather than borrowing it from a Russian mobster?

Being able to use 100 percent of your brain doesn't mean that you automatically gain a proportional amount of common sense to go along with it.


True, however his plans were all shiat from start to finish. He decided he wanted to make a lot of money. Borrowing from a mobster is a bad idea, but the bigger problem was that his final goal was not to become a self-made billionaire with his money spread around dummy corporations and fronts (which he could easily have pulled off, hell normal men do it), but to get a job at a big trading firm? A job which he didn't have enough of the drug to sustain? Why, if you are suddenly a super genius, would your big plan to be to make money hand over fist for someone ELSE, and receive a decent salary and a yearly bonus?

And then, after the drug became somewhat permanent at the end... why was he only running for Senate? Hell, at least run for President. I just don't get the plan of being a super genius so you relegate yourself to arguing with partisan morons for years.
 
2012-10-19 11:42:56 AM  

burndtdan: nameofperson: I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?, the actual one that sucked balls was the LAST one.
Everyone mostly agrees the first one was the best, but why hate on the second?, the Chateau Fight/Highway Chase is (for me) one of the best action sequences ever made: Morpheus being a badass, Trinity biking-and-leathering it up and Neo being the superman-zen-kung fu master that he is.
Plus, I'm still sticking with the theory that Zion was another Matrix used mainly for "defragging" the main Matrix.

/surely will be corrected on the last one
//can buy the energy argument in the first

I enjoyed the second one. I really enjoyed the twist at the end with the multiple iterations and such, and the big wtf moment where the robots fall dead out of the air had my friends and I speculating wildly about what was going on. It was a magnificent setup for what could have been a really great third movie.

Then the third movie decided to explain it with some type of Jesus powers which made no sense.


The first one was good because it was kind of ambiguous and made you think about things like philosophy and the meaning of things. The second one got rid of a lot of that (from what I remember) and just spelled it out and said this how it is. The third one was even worse and just said that Neo was Jesus. Plus the way they split the zion battle and the stuff neo was doing was really poorly done, and some of the dialog in the battle scene in zion seemed like it could have been rejected lines from a McBain movie.
 
2012-10-19 11:43:20 AM  

moothemagiccow: CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!

I figured the obvious hole was sending Loopers to be killed by their past selves. Someone else would've shot Willis, end of story.


Or they could shoot him in the future and send back a corpse to be disposed of.
 
2012-10-19 11:44:14 AM  

mechgreg: buntz: I don't know if this was explained or not but why would the Terminators keep going back to kill Sarah Conner or John Conner?

Why not go back and kill their grandparents? Or Great-grandparents?

Far back enough that it would have been easy to kill them and they wouldn't have the technology or weapons to fight back?

If the Terminators went back to 1880 or so, problem solved and a whole line or Conners are wiped out to boot!

My theory is that the farther back you go the more people in the future it affects. I mean say you go back to the 1800's and kill John Conner's ancestor. The problem is that dude might also be the ancestor of some senator or something who approves funding for skynet in the first place. Plus even in the first one they said that in the future records from before judgement day were super spotty, and pretty much all they knew was that John Connor's mom was a woman who lived in LA in 1984. Remember the terminator had to look her up in the phone book. I imagine trying to find info about John's grandparents or great-grandparents would be even harder.


Butterfly effect.

In all 100% seriousness, if you want a great read that combines literature, speculation, a teensy bit of theory, and a lot of fun on time travel, read this:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-10-19 11:47:45 AM  

buntz: Terminator


In the first movie Kyle says the humans had basically already won and were knocking on the door of the last machine stronghold. My theory is the machines only had time to send two terminators to the past before the humans kicked in the door. I like to think the T 1000 was actually the main attack sent directly after John and that Arnold was the back up plan. The humans may have only had one reprogrammed Arnold at the time so sent that after the bigger threat the T1000. Why they only sent Reese after the first Arnold is anyone's guess. T3 was a fun movie but screws up too much about the first two to try to fit that into a cannon.
 
2012-10-19 11:52:26 AM  

flaminio: Xanlexian: justtray:

Re: Prometheus

But I thought the underlying story was fascinating.

I agree. I enjoyed the movie, plot holes and all.

Also, many of the supposed "holes" (such as the list RLM spins off) are not really holes; just things that weren't explained. I like movies where everything isn't spelled out -- like why were the holographic aliens running into the room? That's not a hole; that's a mystery; which is a good thing. Just because the goo wasn't explained doesn't make it a "hole".


I did too, not sure why so many people have a problem with it. Looked awesome in 3-D too.
 
2012-10-19 11:55:54 AM  

justtray: I've seen like all of these movies, and pretty much none of them are real plot holes. Glad to see most of them covered here.

Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?

Earth

2. Why are the aliens in the holographic sequence running INTO the room that houses all the goo that creates the deadly Aliens?
This is just me speculating, but based on the fact that it was a change in atmosphere that caused the things in the room to activate, and the aliens wore helmets, I'd guess that their helmets were designed to not change the atmosphere, thus making the room simply a safe place for them to hide behind a big door.

3. How is it that the guy who uses flying mapping devices gets LOST backtracking through the tunnels when he has an open Mic?
He was an idiot with a specialized education? Good question, but he seemed like an idiot to me.

4. Why do the people who get lost decide to hide in the one room that causes them to flee the building earlier?
They got a readout of massive life signs outside the room, which made them reassess? Plus, again, idiots. I mean, one of them saw what best could be described as an alien cobra and wanted to touch it? Clearly a moron. Which, by the way, is the biggest plot hole for me, why a biologist would not recognize that he didn't know anything about this creature and that he was probably threatening it.

5. How does the girl who performs C section on herself manage to run around for the rest of the film?
Painfully. It's safe to assume that a futuristic medical machine that could do the procedure on its own would be capable of stitching her up fairly effectively.

6. Why does no one run to the side of falling objects?
I would say it's semi-realistic to say a person who is panicked like that might get a bit of tunnel vision and not realize that such a simple solution existed. But really it's for dramatic effect.
 
2012-10-19 11:58:48 AM  

czetie: fusillade762: How did they compensate for the motion of the Earth in that one?

People who think this question is clever don't understand how time travel works (or would work, if it were possible).

To put it crudely, there is no such thing as "space travel" nor "time travel". All travel is "spacetime travel". If time travel to the past exists, it almost certainly involves traveling a path in spacetime that is continuous, not a discontinuous jump from one point in spacetime to another point in spacetime. A "time traveler" is always moving continuously in space too, so the question of the earth (or solar system or galaxy) "moving out from under him" simply doesn't apply.

This is hard to picture because you need 4 dimensions and our brains can only picture 3. Here's a very coarse and flawed analogy that might help. It's especially crude because it's going to have just one space dimension. Suppose you are an ant living on the surface of the earth, let's say at Greenwich, London, right on the Prime Meridian. Your spacetime has only two dimensions, represented by the surface of the earth: east-west represents time and north-south represents space. You can move north-south (space) at will, but not east-west (time). You are carried through "time" at a constant rate by the rotation of the earth: it's noon now, and an hour from now it will be 1pm, and so on. Ants living further east are in your future -- when it's noon for you it's 1pm for an ant in Paris -- and further west are in your past.

One day you decide to visit some ants (or possibly aunts) that live to your north. Eventually you reach a cold, snowy land. Now, you are an inteprid ant so you keep heading north and finally you reach the North Pole. You look around for a bit, but it's cold and featureless so you decide to head south again. However, without realizing it you got turned around in all that snow, and you're now facing about 19 degrees further west. Eventually you reach a city but to your surprise it's not ...



That was awesome. Also, you are now "czetie (favorite: Time-travelling ant)
 
2012-10-19 11:59:31 AM  

burndtdan: He was an idiot with a specialized education? Good question, but he seemed like an idiot to me.


You know who else was an idiot with a specialized map-related education?

/all things lead back to this show.
 
2012-10-19 12:01:25 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Those lazy cocks, simply saying, "Oh, it's a time travel movie, lol so there's totally plot holes" doesn't mean there were plot holes, much less one of the worst of all time. I thought the movie was very consistent.


Looper had one glaring problem.

If the Bruce Willis version of Joe killed his future self, then who killed the Rainmaker's mom to make him the Rainmaker to cause that whole future problem he's trying to prevent? This isn't a problem with time-travel consistency so much as it's a big brain fart on Joe's part. Clearly, something ELSE in the kid's life turns him evil, so he probably didn't prevent anything.
 
2012-10-19 12:05:57 PM  

Smackledorfer: burndtdan: He was an idiot with a specialized education? Good question, but he seemed like an idiot to me.

You know who else was an idiot with a specialized map-related education?

/all things lead back to this show.


The blue is water
 
2012-10-19 12:05:59 PM  
How about the X-Files plot hole: Bees don't pollinate corn.
 
2012-10-19 12:07:55 PM  

flaminio: Luke had a working hyperdrive, so he got to Dagobah almost instantly. The Falcon's was broken, so it took them a very long time to get to Bespin.


Longer than 12 parsecs?
 
2012-10-19 12:08:05 PM  

burndtdan: If the Bruce Willis version of Joe killed his future self, then who killed the Rainmaker's mom to make him the Rainmaker to cause that whole future problem he's trying to prevent? This isn't a problem with time-travel consistency so much as it's a big brain fart on Joe's part. Clearly, something ELSE in the kid's life turns him evil, so he probably didn't prevent anything.


possibly a vagrant she always complains about. She could've easily died earlier in the story if one was malicious. Her finding gold and silver was an easy remedy for fixing a lot of other timeline problems
 
2012-10-19 12:16:04 PM  

czetie: flaminio: Luke had a working hyperdrive, so he got to Dagobah almost instantly. The Falcon's was broken, so it took them a very long time to get to Bespin.

Longer than 12 parsecs?


There was this horrible Star Wars book by Kevin Anderson (who can't hold a candle to Timothy Zahn) that tried to explain that away ...

Apparently the Kessel system has at least 1 black hole in it, and the Kessel Run involved delivering stuff to various locations all around this black hole. When Han said he made the run in less than 12 parsecs, it was a big deal because it meant he had to fly closer to the black hole than anyone else - I.E. everyone else didn't have the balls to fly close to the black hole and ended up flying much longer routes. The 12 parsec thing meant Han was right up against the event horizon.
 
2012-10-19 12:16:50 PM  
How did Bain transport Bruce to the underground prison halfway across the world and return to Gotham so quickly?

Magic underpants, obviously.
 
2012-10-19 12:20:15 PM  
Go on, pick a time travel movie -- "Looper," "Back to the Future," "Men In Black 3." Pick. Any. Movie. You will find a plot hole. It is just nearly impossible to construct a completely plausible time travel movie without holes.

Wow, that is incredibly lazy writing even by Huffpo standards.
 
2012-10-19 12:27:34 PM  

burndtdan: Uchiha_Cycliste: Those lazy cocks, simply saying, "Oh, it's a time travel movie, lol so there's totally plot holes" doesn't mean there were plot holes, much less one of the worst of all time. I thought the movie was very consistent.

Looper had one glaring problem.

If the Bruce Willis version of Joe killed his future self, then who killed the Rainmaker's mom to make him the Rainmaker to cause that whole future problem he's trying to prevent? This isn't a problem with time-travel consistency so much as it's a big brain fart on Joe's part. Clearly, something ELSE in the kid's life turns him evil, so he probably didn't prevent anything.



See, I felt they dealt with this brilliantly.
I think both timelines exist simultaneously, that's why we see Bruce willis being sent back 3 times.
The first and third times both end the same, little joe offing himself. The middle time he killes old joe immediately. I think that one even results in the other timeline being enabled, and the ither timeline is enabled by the prior stuff.
More importantly, I don't know exactly how it goes down, that time travel shiat will fry your brain. But I think every other timeline lil joe goes kablamo me! and the other times he kills old joe asap.

I was really happy with this dealing of the fundamental time-travel paradox.
 
2012-10-19 12:35:51 PM  

burndtdan: Uchiha_Cycliste: Those lazy cocks, simply saying, "Oh, it's a time travel movie, lol so there's totally plot holes" doesn't mean there were plot holes, much less one of the worst of all time. I thought the movie was very consistent.

Looper had one glaring problem.

If the Bruce Willis version of Joe killed his future self, then who killed the Rainmaker's mom to make him the Rainmaker to cause that whole future problem he's trying to prevent? This isn't a problem with time-travel consistency so much as it's a big brain fart on Joe's part. Clearly, something ELSE in the kid's life turns him evil, so he probably didn't prevent anything.


Note the scenes where Sid (Rainmaker) is already well on his way to becoming unbalanced. He loses it when he gets mad. Mom has a gun safe to hide in when he does.

Young Joe has a positive effect on Sid, gives him someone to look up to, someone who talks to him and understands what it's like to lose your parents, etc...

That, along with ensuring Sid's mom doesn't "leave" him, is the difference.

There's a lot going on there. Nurturing vs abandonment/ environment vs choices, etc.
 
2012-10-19 12:40:47 PM  

justtray: Where's PROMETHEUS on this list? Seriously. Let us begin;

1. First scene, what world is the alien on that suicides himself? Earth, or the military planet?


Earth. I took it to be the literal interpretation of "the body and blood of (what we call) Christ.(or a Christ-like being)"

IIRC, the mention the last time they came to Earth was about 2000 years ago. They were pissed at us for killing one of their own. Decided to clean us out using their super-weapon.
 
2012-10-19 12:41:29 PM  

Zombie DJ: Crewmannumber6: Can't people just enjoy a movie any more?

Good gosh!!
SO.

MUCH.

THIS
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nope. Write stories where they don't think the audience is stupid.

I'll let most things go, but its when its so farken stupid, like you can see the pyramids in Egypt from Jordan stupid, I'm gonna call bullshiat.
 
2012-10-19 12:45:04 PM  

Hans Kammler: missing Empire Strikes Back.

so Luke and R2 go one way while Han, Chewie, and Leia go another. Luke completes his jedi training in an afternoon? How long are the others hanging out with Lando and the Imperials?

Yeah I know - pile on the Lucas hate.


They were on the falcon for awhile, long enough for Han and Leia to go from hating each other to loving each other.
 
2012-10-19 12:57:54 PM  

Smackledorfer: I get the continuous line bit, but you aren't walking when you time travel so if your ant got turned around and the line was all over the map the you just wound up in outer space.


Yes, sort of. Sure, you could wind up in outer space. But it would be because the spacetime curve you are following curves away from the spacetime curve the earth is following, and you would notice it happening, and could change your mind. It wouldn't be because you "skipped over" some period of time while the earth moved on. Observers wouldn't see you vanish before their eyes, only to reappear minutes later in the sky above them because the earth had moved.

And oddly, you could be walking when you time travel. In this model, time travel isn't a magical high tech device or a portal; it's the curvature of spacetime itself so that when you move through space you follow a loop in time. The trick to creating a "time machine" is that it isn't a machine at all; it's a region of space where the time curves back in a loop.

(Ironically, the popular TV show that comes closest to describing it this way is Seven Days, which relies on "a spacetime distortion" that the sphere moves in. Frank doesn't get thrown off the surface of the earth because it moves under him, but because that's where the space part of the spacetime distortion leads. At least, that's what I choose to believe.)


/If time travel were possible the way it's shown in the movies, would real life have "continuity errors"? And would anybody notice? Is there an interesting movie to be made about the ONE MAN who notices the errors and deduces what's going on?
 
2012-10-19 01:04:49 PM  
all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.
 
2012-10-19 01:09:26 PM  
People are confusing plot holes with fiction.

Fiction is 'made up'. Most movies are meant to be fiction. They aren't real. They are able to break laws of nature without explaining it in detail. We accept that because we know it's a movie. Fiction.

In the Matrix, machines using humans as batteries might be a stupid idea, in our reality. But in the fictional world of the Matrix, we're supposed to accept the explanation that humans, combined with some form of Fusion generates power and the machines harness it. That's fiction.

When Superman can fly - that's fiction.

Plot holes are when the movie is logically inconsistent with the rules it makes. That's when Superman can fly in one scene and then, with no explanation, cannot fly in the next. A plot hole is something that doesn't make sense *IN THE MOVIE'S REALITY* not our own.
 
2012-10-19 01:11:25 PM  

Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.


You know I've thought about this, but really Luke kind of sucks in terms of what Jedi's are capable of in the prequels. When he fights he looks like he learned the most basic abilities and makes up for it by completely giving into the ideology. He never performs any feats (force jump and such), can only move small objects, and his saber fighting is shiat.

It's almost more in line with how it should be.
 
2012-10-19 01:13:49 PM  
There's no such thing as Snozzberries!
 
2012-10-19 01:15:47 PM  

zarberg: czetie: flaminio: Luke had a working hyperdrive, so he got to Dagobah almost instantly. The Falcon's was broken, so it took them a very long time to get to Bespin.

Longer than 12 parsecs?

There was this horrible Star Wars book by Kevin Anderson (who can't hold a candle to Timothy Zahn) that tried to explain that away ...

Apparently the Kessel system has at least 1 black hole in it, and the Kessel Run involved delivering stuff to various locations all around this black hole. When Han said he made the run in less than 12 parsecs, it was a big deal because it meant he had to fly closer to the black hole than anyone else - I.E. everyone else didn't have the balls to fly close to the black hole and ended up flying much longer routes. The 12 parsec thing meant Han was right up against the event horizon.


Nobody ever mentions the really glaring problem with 12 parsecs. The parsec is a distance that is defined by the Earth's motion around the Sun. Our Earth. In a galaxy far, far away. Right.

And no, they can't handwave this one away by saying it's based on some other planet. In a galaxy where interstellar travel is routine, it makes no sense at all that a standard unit of measure would be based on any one planet's orbit.


(Incidentally, the big problem with the Kevin Anderson handwave is that it makes no sense in context. Han is clearly bragging about how fast the Falcon is, not how good a pilot he is. Here's the whole exchange:

Han Solo: Han Solo. I'm captain of the Millennium Falcon. Chewie here tells me you're lookin' for passage to the Alderaan system?

Obi-Wan: Yes indeed, if it's a fast ship.

Han Solo: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?

Obi-Wan: Should I have?

Han Solo: It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. I've outrun Imperial starships. Not the local bulk cruisers mind you, I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. She's fast enough for you old man.

Emphasis added. There's really no way that spin that as a comment about Solo's flying skills.)
 
2012-10-19 01:20:00 PM  

czetie: nd no, they can't handwave this one away by saying it's based on some other planet.


From wiki: The name parsec is "an abbreviated form of 'a distance corresponding to a parallax of one second'....A parsec is the distance from the Sun to an astronomical object which has a parallax angle of one arcsecond.

since I have no idea what any of that means, I'm willing to handwave it off.
 
2012-10-19 01:22:57 PM  

snowshovel: Given that we don't know why the aliens were harvesting humans in "Signs," I can come up with a good reason for harvesting water-based lifeforms:

Assume that the aliens are in the middle of a war somewhere on their home planet, and that they could bio-mechanically control humans. Having an army of easily killed lifeforms who's entire body was made of acid (to the aliens) would be an awesome weapon.


Nah, we were just juice boxes to get to the next place.
 
2012-10-19 01:23:21 PM  

enderthexenocide: EyeballKid: How does the guy who left the 300 Spartans before their final fight know what happened during said fight?

he doesn't. he was a storyteller, that's why leonidas sent him back to sparta. he knows that leonidas and his men all died, so he just told a story about how they all died, it didn't have to be factual, it just had to be emotional and dramatic so the people in sparta and greece would be willing to go to war against persia.


So, assuming Poor Man's Cyclops is a good storyteller, the Spartans are sent to war in the Middle East on a lie? Ha! And didn't a bunch of "Murka Fark Yeah" types really love "300" because of its sand-socialist ass-kicking? Wow, not only was it a gay movie, "300" was a gay, anti-war movie!!!
 
2012-10-19 01:29:40 PM  

czetie: and you would notice it happening, and could change your mind.


Oh, you yourself, while time traveling, would have control over your physical position and notice things happening, would you? I'm gonna fall back to the other guy's comment: put the bong down :)
 
2012-10-19 01:31:56 PM  
My biggest problem with PROMETHEUS was the fact the Scott said it was not a prequel then right out of the gate in the alien chamber has a original alien depicted in the mural on the ceiling.
And if Vickers wanted her father dead why didn't she kill him when David went off ship. I assume that her father's aids were still in stasis until he was woken up. She could have went and turned his life support off killing him in his sleep.

Funny note re watched it other night the head on top of the alien mound is based on a Giger drawing he did for a no go Dune movie.
 
mjg
2012-10-19 01:32:51 PM  
www.smh.com.au

Two holes in this.
 
2012-10-19 01:34:44 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: People are confusing plot holes with fiction.

Fiction is 'made up'. Most movies are meant to be fiction. They aren't real. They are able to break laws of nature without explaining it in detail. We accept that because we know it's a movie. Fiction.

In the Matrix, machines using humans as batteries might be a stupid idea, in our reality. But in the fictional world of the Matrix, we're supposed to accept the explanation that humans, combined with some form of Fusion generates power and the machines harness it. That's fiction.

When Superman can fly - that's fiction.

Plot holes are when the movie is logically inconsistent with the rules it makes. That's when Superman can fly in one scene and then, with no explanation, cannot fly in the next. A plot hole is something that doesn't make sense *IN THE MOVIE'S REALITY* not our own.


No, your matrix example is a plot hole. It isn't an alternate reality like superman flying. It is more like if superman is capable of flying (fiction) and then encounters a scenario where it would be solved with flight, but he arduously climbs or walks to his destination instead and this decision ultimately results in the entirety of the superman universe.

In the matrix fictional reality they didn't change physics so that humans are the most efficient thing to put into the matrix for body heat. Then that wouldn't be a plot hole. The matrix certainly didn't explain why the robots had to stay on an earth that wasn't hospitable to them and fall back on supplementing fusion with body heat. That is why it is a plot hole. Science fiction should at least attempt to come up with something slightly, only slightly, more realistic than "magic". Maybe that's just my opinion, but fusion that specifically requires human beings is rubbish.

Of course if the books explain things based on needing the brains for processing then that might make the shiatty choice worth while.
 
2012-10-19 01:36:44 PM  

nameofperson: I'll surely get flak for this, but why the generalized hate towards the Matrix movies?


I'm on board for mocking the plot holes. I still thoroughly enjoyed the first, and never watched either of the other two start to finish (plus since the names aren't matrix 1 and matrix 2 I'm never sure wtf I'm watching when I flip past them on tv so I don't know what I've attributed to which one).

Mocking plot holes is one thing, an inability to enjoy a story because of a plot hole is a different one (mind you when the plot hole involves an otherwise smart character acting like a complete f-ing moron, that can ruin it for me).
 
2012-10-19 01:40:05 PM  

Hans Kammler: missing Empire Strikes Back.

so Luke and R2 go one way while Han, Chewie, and Leia go another. Luke completes his jedi training in an afternoon? How long are the others hanging out with Lando and the Imperials?

Yeah I know - pile on the Lucas hate.


Waaaaat? That one wasn't on there?
 
2012-10-19 01:41:11 PM  

timujin: Mugato: Eh, as lame as Signs was, it was the impurities in our water that farked the aliens up not just water itself. That was pretty clear. As for The Matrix plot hole, none of it makes sense at all since they could have just used cows if all they wanted was heat energy. Initially man was supposed to be used as a parallel processor but the suits didn't understand it so they changed it to something simpler.

I followed the link in the description and found the theory posited there to be one of the best I've heard.

Copypasta'd:
When I first saw this film, I didn't realize that it wasn't about aliens at all. It's about the return of demons. Notice it's all about a priest's resurgence of belief, and a preordained moment of redemption-if-dared-and-attempted. There is no alien technology or weaponry or clothing of any kind, only a clawed, naked beast creature and lights in the sky.

Furthermore: The running joke throughout the movie is that people see these "invaders" in a way that's related to their particular frame of mind: The cop sees them as prankster kids, the bookstore owners see them as "a hoax to sell commercials," the Army recruitment officer sees them as invading military, the kids see them as UFOs... and the Priest sees them as test of faith. This understanding of the film removed my hatred of the "You've got to be kidding me; they were killed by WATER!" concept. In fact, the priest's daughter had been referred to as "holy" (as revealed during Mel's key monologue)-recognized by all who saw her at her birth as "an Angel;" and her quite particular relationship to water is shown to be very special and spiritual: In other words, she has placed vials of what are, essentially, HOLY WATER all around the house. (And the creature's reaction when coming in contact with this blessed liquid is EXACTLY like monsters/vampires being splashed by spiritual "acid.")

This view of the movie also explains the creature's actions: They act like superior tricksters, are not able t ...


see, now if the director had come out and said that, instead of posting it somewhere on the internet, everyone would have been all 'oooohhhhhhh' instead of hating on it.
 
2012-10-19 01:50:47 PM  

czetie: And that's what time travel would actually be like, if you can picture that with three space and one time dimensions.


It's even simpler than that, really. Spacetime travel is possible in one direction only. All matter and energy we can perceive is flowing in this direction. This is not to say that there's not matter and energy flowing in the other direction as well. In fact, this may very well be the "dark" matter we hear so much about.

Once a particle of matter is traveling in a particular direction, it is a paradox for it to change direction and travel into the "past". (The future is the "past" for matter traveling in the other direction.) The whole reason for the paradox: at the precise instant of spacetime vector reversal, (and I'm referring to such infinitesimally small Delta-T that it approaches zero,) what in effect happens is there are two copies of the object in question essentially occupying the same point in space: the one traveling forward in time, and the one traveling backward. Nature abhors a paradox, and I theorize that both objects would be annihilated in a burst of pure energy that would dwarf a nuclear explosion in energy released, and result in no particulate matter left over of either object.
 
2012-10-19 01:52:53 PM  

buttery_shame_cave: see, now if the director had come out and said that, instead of posting it somewhere on the internet, everyone would have been all 'oooohhhhhhh' instead of hating on it.


Not saying you aren't right, but why is this okay to do with books but not with movies?

/note, I don't like books all that much. Especially fiction.
 
2012-10-19 01:53:58 PM  

thecpt: Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.

You know I've thought about this, but really Luke kind of sucks in terms of what Jedi's are capable of in the prequels. When he fights he looks like he learned the most basic abilities and makes up for it by completely giving into the ideology. He never performs any feats (force jump and such), can only move small objects, and his saber fighting is shiat.

It's almost more in line with how it should be.


now that is a good point - Luke's skill set is rudimentary at best with what we saw Dooku, Yoda et al do with the force.
 
2012-10-19 01:54:14 PM  

czetie: Nobody ever mentions the really glaring problem with 12 parsecs. The parsec is a distance that is defined by the Earth's motion around the Sun. Our Earth. In a galaxy far, far away. Right.


Well, they're also speaking English. I would handwave it that whatever process converted their far-far-away-speak to English also converted their units of measure to Earth-based units.
 
2012-10-19 02:06:03 PM  

Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.


Luke got the ITT Tech version of Jedi training that only takes a few weeks. He didn't really have to worry about the philosophy side of the training or the education side, only how to correctly use the powers a Jedi uses. On Corusant, younglings are taught a very specialized education in a school, so yeah the training took years. All luke needed to know is how to kick ass - he didn't need to learn "history of the jedi 101" and any important general Jedi knowledge Yoda had could have been passed on over dinner conversation.
 
2012-10-19 02:08:34 PM  

mjg: [www.smh.com.au image 260x300]

Two holes in this.


Both of which were filled in the movie...
 
2012-10-19 02:09:44 PM  

MagSeven: CPennypacker: If the whole premise of a Looper is that they need to send people back in time to kill them because its so hard to kill people in the future, why do the people who went to all the trouble of setting up this system so they can kill people without getting caught KILL BRUCE WILLIS'S WIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR NO REASON?! The plot device at the core of the entire movie collapses on itself when they use it to set up the plot!

They shot her by accident. They may have been caught and prosecuted in that timeline. Who knows since that timeline was altered away.


Rian Johnson has mentioned that the burning of the house was their sloppy way of trying to cover up their mistake. Those guys were going to be put away.
 
2012-10-19 02:10:50 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: When Superman can fly - that's fiction.

Plot holes are when the movie is logically inconsistent with the rules it makes.


Speaking of which, the Superman films show him flying in space with no trouble at all, yet in Superman III when the computer puts an air-tight bag around him he suddenly is in danger of suffocating.
 
2012-10-19 02:13:45 PM  

Hans Kammler: thecpt: Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.

You know I've thought about this, but really Luke kind of sucks in terms of what Jedi's are capable of in the prequels. When he fights he looks like he learned the most basic abilities and makes up for it by completely giving into the ideology. He never performs any feats (force jump and such), can only move small objects, and his saber fighting is shiat.

It's almost more in line with how it should be.

now that is a good point - Luke's skill set is rudimentary at best with what we saw Dooku, Yoda et al do with the force.


He gets better.

(no, really... in the "expanded universe" he really is a master)

zarberg: czetie: flaminio: Luke had a working hyperdrive, so he got to Dagobah almost instantly. The Falcon's was broken, so it took them a very long time to get to Bespin.

Longer than 12 parsecs?

There was this horrible Star Wars book by Kevin Anderson (who can't hold a candle to Timothy Zahn) that tried to explain that away ...

Apparently the Kessel system has at least 1 black hole in it, and the Kessel Run involved delivering stuff to various locations all around this black hole. When Han said he made the run in less than 12 parsecs, it was a big deal because it meant he had to fly closer to the black hole than anyone else - I.E. everyone else didn't have the balls to fly close to the black hole and ended up flying much longer routes. The 12 parsec thing meant Han was right up against the event horizon.


Actually, the "Kessel Run" takes smugglers around "The Maw" - a cluster of black holes (as explained in many of the expanded universe books).

Navigating through them takes skill and speed to avoid the gravity wells.

Yes, it's retconning, but it does work in this case. Hyperdrives can be overloaded by strong enough gravity wells. Navigating through the maw requires the pilot to tightly maneuver, and the overlapping gravity wells means his ship has to be fast enough to "coast" over those spots without overloading his hyperdrive.
 
2012-10-19 02:17:39 PM  
As for other thing in star wars, they're not speaking English. They're speaking galactic basic. Everything is modeled after corusant, so the parsec is probably based on corusant and it's sun.
/possible solutions
 
2012-10-19 02:30:54 PM  

Sgt Otter: Then there's the fact that the occupying aliens left Fort Hood, the LARGEST MILITARY BASE ON THE PLANET, mostly intact.


Speaking of errors, Fort Hood is nowhere near the largest military base on the planet. Maybe it was at one time, but, just off the top of my head, Eglin Air Force base is three times its size (450,000 acres to 150,000 acres). I'm sure there are others
 
2012-10-19 02:41:02 PM  

swahnhennessy: The All-Powerful Atheismo: That wasn't a bad movie, you asshole. It wasn't the best but it was all about the characters and they were great.

I hope I am missing sarcasm. I was stoked when Alien: Resurrection was announced. Jeunet is a bad-ass director, and I was eager to see what he would do with the Alien franchise. Had I realized he'd not also written it, I may have been less excited. That thing was a mess, and a complete waste of good talent.


I actually really enjoyed Alien: Resurrection myself, right up to the point where she falls in the snake pit of aliens and then the whole last chapter regarding the human-alien hybrid plays out. Partly because the "new" monster was not menacing, but mostly because Alien lore dictates that EVERY alien born from a human is basically alien human hybrid. This was hinted at in Prometheus a great deal. So really, that part made very little sense. I could have easily overlooked it if the new monster didn't look like a down syndrome alien, but it did.
 
2012-10-19 02:44:23 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I feel like the major plot hole was what Neo was able to leave the real world and enter the Matrix through inexplicable means. Similarly I was not so jazzed about Neo defeating real word; squiddies. through mind power and even worse was being able to see the machines and their world while blind.
But if I ignore Neo's real world machine interactions, I thought it was an amazing movie.


So, if you ignore the third movie (which is a sensible thing to do).
 
2012-10-19 02:44:54 PM  

frepnog: Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.

Luke got the ITT Tech version of Jedi training that only takes a few weeks. He didn't really have to worry about the philosophy side of the training or the education side, only how to correctly use the powers a Jedi uses. On Corusant, younglings are taught a very specialized education in a school, so yeah the training took years. All luke needed to know is how to kick ass - he didn't need to learn "history of the jedi 101" and any important general Jedi knowledge Yoda had could have been passed on over dinner conversation.


And anyway, it's pretty clear that Yoda didn't give a fark at the end. Luke was an errand boy, sent by clerks, to collect a bill. Notice how he was all "you must complete your training" before Luke takes off, and when he returns Yoda says "yeah, your training is pretty much complete. I'm going to die now. But hey, you'll be a Jedi if you can kill Vader. Also, Leia is your sister. "


Then again, growing up on the OT and the Star Wars WEG:RPG, I find it better for Jedi to be milder in power rather than super-Saiyan raining Star Destroyers down on their enemies. Weren't the Jedi Knights supposed to be counselors and peacemakers? The prequels make it pretty clear that one Jedi could wade into a legion of soldiers/robots/whathaveyou and mow them down like wheat. Just think of the difference between Obi Wan's fighting abilities between the prequels and the OT. Obviously Dooku didn't get so wimpy with age, but Obi Wan apparently forgot anything but the simplest Jedi mind tricks.
 
2012-10-19 02:47:19 PM  
Battlefield Earth:

One of the best SciFi books I've ever read, one of the worst SciFi movies I've ever sceen.

I was so damned excited when I heard the this movie was being made, and wanted to smash screen.

As was mentioned above, yes, the cave men where trained by the alien machines, more important, the time scale was like 3-4 years, not 30 days.

Makes perfect sense in the book.
 
2012-10-19 03:02:10 PM  

burndtdan: Uchiha_Cycliste: I feel like the major plot hole was what Neo was able to leave the real world and enter the Matrix through inexplicable means. Similarly I was not so jazzed about Neo defeating real word; squiddies. through mind power and even worse was being able to see the machines and their world while blind.
But if I ignore Neo's real world machine interactions, I thought it was an amazing movie.

So, if you ignore the third movie (which is a sensible thing to do).


Well, the third movie is important in understanding both Neo's power and Smith's and how The big bad Smith's demise leads to an end to all the smiths. It's essentially like Smith was recursively copying himself and throwing off the universes balance of power. His defeat and death was the base case of the recursion that allowed the universe to start returning back to the original and doing garbage collection along the way.

(make_smith (make_smith (make_smith (make_smith... (make_smith (die) )))))
 
2012-10-19 03:18:57 PM  

flaminio: czetie: Nobody ever mentions the really glaring problem with 12 parsecs. The parsec is a distance that is defined by the Earth's motion around the Sun. Our Earth. In a galaxy far, far away. Right.

Well, they're also speaking English. I would handwave it that whatever process converted their far-far-away-speak to English also converted their units of measure to Earth-based units.


Yeah, except there's a very simple, obvious, physically universal basis to measure distance that it would be perfectly natural for people in any galaxy in our universe to use, namely the speed of light. A parsec is roughly 3.26 light years... but of course that's based on the length of an Earth year. If they'd said "light years" and you'd handwaved the translation of "years" from whatever their Standard Galactic Year is I'd let it go. But "parsec" is a wave too far for me.

/Why yes, I do have better things I should be doing...
 
2012-10-19 03:22:31 PM  
the real plot hole is how did the bad guy manage to get all those snakes on the plane
 
2012-10-19 03:27:03 PM  

cman: #5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.


Where does the timecode tattoo come from in the first place? It only exists in a closed loop, there's no reason for Fry to have the tattoo except that he had the tattoo, an he only got it as a result of already having the tattoo. Makes no sense.
 
2012-10-19 03:29:42 PM  

Tremolo: cman: #5 is full of shiat. There are some time traveling stories that have 0 plot holes.

Bender's Big Score has no plot-holes whatsoever. In fact, the story writers went WAY out of their way to ensure that there were no plot holes. That is the most insane time-traveling story ever told.

Where does the timecode tattoo come from in the first place? It only exists in a closed loop, there's no reason for Fry to have the tattoo except that he had the tattoo, an he only got it as a result of already having the tattoo. Makes no sense.


That is exactly where the tattoo came from, he got it from himself. One problem people often have with closed time loops is they insist there must be a "first" trip through the loop which is completely not the case. There is no first loop.
 
2012-10-19 03:32:21 PM  

LesserEvil: Actually, the "Kessel Run" takes smugglers around "The Maw" - a cluster of black holes (as explained in many of the expanded universe books).

Navigating through them takes skill and speed to avoid the gravity wells.

Yes, it's retconning, but it does work in this case. Hyperdrives can be overloaded by strong enough gravity wells.


Serious question: does anything in the extended universe explain why the movies don't seem to acknowledge the difference between hyperspace and FTL travel in regular space as alternative ways of getting around quickly/not making the most boring space travel movie in the history of ever? Do both exist alongside each other? It seems like the two are used interchangeably, often when talking about the same ship.

IIRC, Solo brags that the Falcon will "make point five past lightspeed". If that means, as it seems to at face value, 1.5 times the speed of light, that's still not very fast compared to interstellar distances. Do the books retcon that to something more useful? Or does Solo simply have no idea what he's talking about?

Frankly, I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that Lucas knew much of the terminology of sci-fi without knowing or caring what any of it actually meant. "Parsec" sounds cool, and so does "hyperspace". And just for the record, none of this stops me from enjoying Star Wars as a damn good movie in its own right; but it does make it hard for me to enjoy the subsequent movie, each of which further undermines key dramatic elements of the original.
 
2012-10-19 03:43:15 PM  

czetie: flaminio: czetie: Nobody ever mentions the really glaring problem with 12 parsecs. The parsec is a distance that is defined by the Earth's motion around the Sun. Our Earth. In a galaxy far, far away. Right.

Well, they're also speaking English. I would handwave it that whatever process converted their far-far-away-speak to English also converted their units of measure to Earth-based units.

Yeah, except there's a very simple, obvious, physically universal basis to measure distance that it would be perfectly natural for people in any galaxy in our universe to use, namely the speed of light. A parsec is roughly 3.26 light years... but of course that's based on the length of an Earth year. If they'd said "light years" and you'd handwaved the translation of "years" from whatever their Standard Galactic Year is I'd let it go. But "parsec" is a wave too far for me.


Both parsec and light year are based on Earth derived measurements -- not sure what a "standard galactic year" is (or which galaxy it is referring to) -- so using either parsec or light year is equally problematic.
 
2012-10-19 03:45:44 PM  

czetie: I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that Lucas knew much of the terminology of sci-fi without knowing or caring what any of it actually meant.


He must also have heard the term "continuity" at some point in his career. So, yeah.
 
2012-10-19 03:58:32 PM  

JustFish: Makes perfect sense in the book.


in the book did the planes still work after sitting around for a thousand years? cause if they did, it still make no sense.
 
2012-10-19 04:09:46 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: JustFish: Makes perfect sense in the book.

in the book did the planes still work after sitting around for a thousand years? cause if they did, it still make no sense.


I'm sure there was a Huck Finn like section where they refined jet fuel for these planes, as well as scraping all the rust off of them and going to the Radio Shack to replace the wiring with... equally old wiring.
 
2012-10-19 04:25:29 PM  
This isn't so much a plot hole as the filmakers/characters being lack wits, but I hated the bit in The Day After Tomorrow when they debate which books to burn in the library.

Would've been a nice scene about human civilization and its desire for some sort of culture if they weren't in a room full of wooden furniture at the time.
 
2012-10-19 05:00:57 PM  
The First Alien has some of the stupidest plot holes in the history of cinema. I almost got kicked out of the theater for laughing my head off at what made other folks cower in their seats.

1. We have no idea how common warm blooded organisms are in the universe yet the Aliens reproductive cycle is based almost entirely upon an unlimited supply of said organisms.

2. Torrents of water allowed to cascade unchecked upon a spaceship with all of those electronics to be ruined. Also water is the ONE commodity that astronauts would never allow to go to waste If the pipes did spring a leak it would be fixed immediately

3 Space suits which vent smoke. Assuming for a moment that the smoke is carbon dioxide the one place you DON'T want a valve is in your helmet. That is just an invitation to disaster.

4 Human sized vents --- on a space ship? yeah right!

Ten minutes after the alien appeared I was screaming at the screen "open the hatches and suck the air pout of the ship along with the alien!"

Ninety minutes later what do they do? Suck the air out of the ship along with the alien!.

The crew of the Nostromo were too stupid to operate a car let alone a space ship!
 
2012-10-19 05:04:55 PM  
It was the year 3000, so yeah, about a thousand years. Things were pretty well destroyed, many things were moth balled, and the cavemen did a LOT of repair on man made stuff to fight the aliens.

100% sound? no, but the difference in absurdity between the book's many years of thousands of humans rebuilding versus 30 days of cave men pulling a harrier straight out of bubble, didn't trigger my BS detector.

The movie is also only about the first 3rd of the book, which goes on.....

***! Spoiler alert !*****

who am I kidding? who read L. Ron Hubbard these days?

Anyway, the second 2/3rd of the book is mankind basically fighting them fully back and pretty much taking over the universe.

Realistic? No.
Epic scifi adventure? sure.
Cavemen hot-wiring jets in bearskin? no where to be found.
 
2012-10-19 05:11:16 PM  
Battlefield Earth:
Also in the book they do not fly/drive any earth vehicles. They steal the alien's vehicles which they've been trained on using.
 
2012-10-19 05:36:07 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Anyone that worries about plot holes in a fantasy-based film is a pretentious douche.


Why? Movies shouldn't be written with some sense of internal logic? Why do you hate decent writing?
 
2012-10-19 05:44:13 PM  

rausrh: Battlefield Earth:
Also in the book they do not fly/drive any earth vehicles. They steal the alien's vehicles which they've been trained on using.


Now THAT makes sense. No irony or sarcasm. Now, left unanswered, why did they never question surprise where the mananimals were finding bricks of pure gold. Did they melt them down in the book? Because that makes the psyclos pretty damn stupid.
 
2012-10-19 05:48:03 PM  

czetie: Frankly, I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that Lucas knew much of the terminology of sci-fi without knowing or caring what any of it actually meant. "Parsec" sounds cool, and so does "hyperspace". And just for the record, none of this stops me from enjoying Star Wars as a damn good movie in its own right; but it does make it hard for me to enjoy the subsequent movie, each of which further undermines key dramatic elements of the original.


Lucas wrote the film without even knowing if it would get a wide release, much less that 30 years later people would be examining it like the Zapruder Film. So yeah, the terms that he threw out in the screenplay are by his own admission not scientifically accurate. It's holes in the actual plot that make for sloppy writing, not science definitions that you can quibble over.

If you want to see movies that try to sound scientifically accurate but have plot holes you can fly a Dyson Sphere into, see the Star Trek TNG movies.
 
2012-10-19 05:52:21 PM  
"It: The Terror From Beyond Space" the 1950's movie that "Aliens" is a ripped off of was actually, in some ways, a much more logical movie. The spaceship design has hatches between decks which actually makes more sense than the layout of Nostromo. Also the crew is not idiots they figure out pretty quickly what they are up against and are only distracted by tending to their injured crew and their belief that conventional weapons are the answer to their problem. Once the figure out how much oxygen the alien needs it is dead in moments. There is not a single intelligent person on the Nostromo. Even Ripley does stupid stuff over and over. She essentially lucks into the solution at the end of the movie.

Aliens 2 features anachronistic marines who are dumber than the dumbest jar head to ever come out of Paris Island. He can't detect the aliens in the room because of the drop ceiling! Any marine worth his salt would identify the ceiling as a hiding place in an instant! NO military force is a stupid as the marines in this movie are. Hell even the average low tech al queda fighter is smarter!
 
2012-10-19 06:10:21 PM  

czetie: LesserEvil: Actually, the "Kessel Run" takes smugglers around "The Maw" - a cluster of black holes (as explained in many of the expanded universe books).

Navigating through them takes skill and speed to avoid the gravity wells.

Yes, it's retconning, but it does work in this case. Hyperdrives can be overloaded by strong enough gravity wells.

Serious question: does anything in the extended universe explain why the movies don't seem to acknowledge the difference between hyperspace and FTL travel in regular space as alternative ways of getting around quickly/not making the most boring space travel movie in the history of ever? Do both exist alongside each other? It seems like the two are used interchangeably, often when talking about the same ship.

IIRC, Solo brags that the Falcon will "make point five past lightspeed". If that means, as it seems to at face value, 1.5 times the speed of light, that's still not very fast compared to interstellar distances. Do the books retcon that to something more useful? Or does Solo simply have no idea what he's talking about?

Frankly, I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that Lucas knew much of the terminology of sci-fi without knowing or caring what any of it actually meant. "Parsec" sounds cool, and so does "hyperspace". And just for the record, none of this stops me from enjoying Star Wars as a damn good movie in its own right; but it does make it hard for me to enjoy the subsequent movie, each of which further undermines key dramatic elements of the original.


From what I understand in Star Wars tech manuals, the lower the number the faster the hyperspeed. Like a class 4 or class 3 would be standard civilian freighters and such, class 2 would be like for Star Destroyers and other military ships. Class 1 for X-Wings and illegal hot rods. The Falcon had a 0.5 making it the fastest known.

But noone ever says "my ship can make 4 past lightspeed." So Han saying "point five past lightspeed" still makes no sense until someone else says something similar.

/gets worse in Timothy Zahn books when he goes the opposite direction and assumes the higher the number the faster the speed, because he gives Star Destroyers a point four speed
 
2012-10-19 06:33:53 PM  

thecpt: thecpt: Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.

You know I've thought about this, but really Luke kind of sucks in terms of what Jedi's are capable of in the prequels. When he fights he looks like he learned the most basic abilities and makes up for it by completely giving into the ideology. He never performs any feats (force jump and such), can only move small objects, and his saber fighting is shiat.

It's almost more in line with how it should be.

But he DOES do a force jump, when Vader dumps him into the carbonite freezing chamber in Empire Strikes Back. Now, in light of the prequels, what's interesting is that Vader's response is "impressive." Now maybe that's a dad being proud of his boy for winning his first pinewood derby, but the prequels made that a pretty bland and common feat.

Also: Anakin is "too old, too old to begin the training." Nice callback/forward to Luke, except Luke is late teens. So he would be waaaay too old. Nice job breaking the retcon, Lucas. It would have been more believable if Anakin had been Luke's age when a brash young pilot named Anakin was discovered by a barely older Obi Wan. It would also be like poetry, it would rhyme.
/hint hint
//overpowered Force abilities in PT

 
2012-10-19 07:22:25 PM  
I don't think that 12 Monkeys or The Time Traveler's Wife have any time travel-related plot holes. Both are self-consistent. Inevitability and the immutability of time are central parts of both movies' endings.
 
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2012-10-19 08:27:37 PM  
Fark Me To Tears:
The WORST plot hole in Independence Day was that Jeff Goldblum and his father were able to drive from New York City to Washington DC, get into the White House, brief the president, and get over to Andrews Air Force base to escape in Air Force One in the span of about five hours.

it's a tight timeline, but plausible.
 
2012-10-19 08:32:48 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Independence Day"
A computer virus destroys an entire alien ship ... really? And where did David connect the device that uploaded the virus. We doubt they sell alien ports at Best Buy.

WTF? Did the author actually watch any of these movies?

The virus didn't destroy the alien ship. The nuclear bomb that was detonated inside the alien ship destroyed the alien ship. The virus just screwed up the alien computer systems that controlled their ships.

The virus was transmitted to the mother ship from an antenna that had been mounted on the captured spaceship.

The REAL plot hole in Independence Day was that the virus worked at all. Jeff Goldblum's character goes from correctly interpreting a countdown signal to being able to write malicious code for a completely alien computer system in the span of a couple of days... On a f*ckin' Mac, no less.

The WORST plot hole in Independence Day was that Jeff Goldblum and his father were able to drive from New York City to Washington DC, get into the White House, brief the president, and get over to Andrews Air Force base to escape in Air Force One in the span of about five hours.


***This thread already has 259 posts and I think it is likely that this post may have been addressed previously.....but just in case: That fact that the Jeff Goldblum character was able to create a computer virus for the alien mothership on a MAC computer was not a plothole - it was supposed to show the viewer that the computer technology from the crashed Roswell alien ship was handed off to American software-makers who adapted the alien software technology for human use. Hence, our MAC computers and software ARE the invading aliens' technology........
 
2012-10-19 09:20:27 PM  

TheDebbieDee: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Independence Day"
A computer virus destroys an entire alien ship ... really? And where did David connect the device that uploaded the virus. We doubt they sell alien ports at Best Buy.

WTF? Did the author actually watch any of these movies?

The virus didn't destroy the alien ship. The nuclear bomb that was detonated inside the alien ship destroyed the alien ship. The virus just screwed up the alien computer systems that controlled their ships.

The virus was transmitted to the mother ship from an antenna that had been mounted on the captured spaceship.

The REAL plot hole in Independence Day was that the virus worked at all. Jeff Goldblum's character goes from correctly interpreting a countdown signal to being able to write malicious code for a completely alien computer system in the span of a couple of days... On a f*ckin' Mac, no less.

The WORST plot hole in Independence Day was that Jeff Goldblum and his father were able to drive from New York City to Washington DC, get into the White House, brief the president, and get over to Andrews Air Force base to escape in Air Force One in the span of about five hours.

***This thread already has 259 posts and I think it is likely that this post may have been addressed previously.....but just in case: That fact that the Jeff Goldblum character was able to create a computer virus for the alien mothership on a MAC computer was not a plothole - it was supposed to show the viewer that the computer technology from the crashed Roswell alien ship was handed off to American software-makers who adapted the alien software technology for human use. Hence, our MAC computers and software ARE the invading aliens' technology........


But Data (didnt know that was him until recently) says they are all excited because all the gadgets started up when the mother ship showed up.
 
2012-10-19 09:32:24 PM  
Minority Report drives me nuts! Hear me out...

So Anderton's boss, Lamar, decides to set him up. He does this by hiring "Leo Crow" to hang out in an apartment with a load of photographs including a few of Anderton's lost child. Then Lamar... what? He just sits back and assumes that the Precogs will predict Anderton will murder Crow, when at that time there's no direct link between the two men? Lamar has no way to influence what the Precogs do. But somehow they make a prediction from nowhere that sets the entire plot into motion, despite the fact that there's nothing at that point that would force Anderton and Crow to meet.

It's like if i wanted to have you sent to jail, so i hide a stash of money in my closet and assume that you will steal it, at which point i can report you to the cops. This is my plan. Except that you never go in my closet, and i never tell you about the money. But i assume that somehow, for no logically reason, you will discover the existence of the money somehow within the next day.

MAKES NO SENSE. SOMEONE HELP ME.
 
2012-10-20 12:26:51 AM  

thecpt: Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.

You know I've thought about this, but really Luke kind of sucks in terms of what Jedi's are capable of in the prequels. When he fights he looks like he learned the most basic abilities and makes up for it by completely giving into the ideology. He never performs any feats (force jump and such), can only move small objects, and his saber fighting is shiat.

It's almost more in line with how it should be.


He actually does do a Force Jump during the fight with Vader on Bespin. When Vader kicks him into the Carbonite chamber he does a Force Jump out when Vader activates then chamber so he doesn't get frozen. After that the best guess why the Jedi were far deadlier in the prequels is because Lucas is a hack writer and the special effects technology could make them look better.

TFA also forgets another thing from the "Stepford Wives" remake. There is a scene where one of the "Wives" spits money out of her mouth like an ATM which apparently you can do if you get a computer chip installed.
 
2012-10-20 09:02:27 AM  
As far as the Matrix is concerned, it doesn't matter what time period the machines used to create the Matrix. If they used the Dark Ages, some humans would still reject the simulation, the only difference is they'd describe it in terms of "magic" instead of closer understanding of the technology. That said, maybe a simpler simulation would make it harder for people to adjust to reality when they are finally freed - but then, Zion itself was part of the whole control mechanism.

Personally, I'm somewhat of the opinion that the "reality" of the Matrix is yet another simulation, hence why Neo could disable the sentinels and those bomb projectile things. It is likely it wasn't intended that way, though, since that and his ability to detect machine-life (as opposed to everything, since everything would be a simulation) were his only real powers in the Zion simulation. Why those powers exist at all isn't clear, nor is it explained why he's the only one that rejected the Zion simulation.
 
2012-10-20 10:08:37 AM  

therecksays: He actually does do a Force Jump during the fight with Vader on Bespin. When Vader kicks him into the Carbonite chamber he does a Force Jump out when Vader activates then chamber so he doesn't get frozen. After that the best guess why the Jedi were far deadlier in the prequels is because Lucas is a hack writer and the special effects technology could make them look better.



I mentioned the force jump Luke did in a response that nested html failed, but what I find interesting is that Vader says "impressive" when he does it. Maybe Vader's mechanical legs haven't done a jump in 18 years, but surely he wouldn't be impressed, unless maybe as a father watching his kid make his first catch in Little League.

Come to think of it, other than maybe the Emperor divined it, or perhaps Vader saw his lack of training, but he wouldn't know that Obi Wan/Yoda wasn't training Luke from birth.

Enhancing the Jedi is no problem for the prequels, but it takes it too far. Jedi mind tricks and the like seemed to be majority of Jedi powers, as though if some monk trained long enough and had the proper discipline, anyone could do it. Somehow space opera went from low fantasy to high fantasy, from having rare and relatively weak sorcerers to 36 level mages casting haste on whole armies and raining meteors from the sky.
 
2012-10-20 10:41:07 AM  

Niveras:
Personally, I'm somewhat of the opinion that the "reality" of the Matrix is yet another simulation, hence why Neo could disable the sentinels and those bomb projectile things. It is likely it wasn't intended that way, though, since that and his ability to detect machine-life (as opposed to everything, since everything would be a simulation) were his only real powers in the Zion simulation. Why those powers exist at all isn't clear, nor is it explained why he's the only one that rejected the Zion simulation.


I think what Neo was able to do, that Oracle said he wasn't supposed to know how to do yet, was (using the hardware left in his body and his brain as a "software radio,") hack into the machine network, and accidentally jack himself into the Matrix. Doesn't really explain that bomb-thing going THROUGH him....

None of the other "Ones" had a Trinity, the others were out to save mankind in general, that's why he rejected it.
 
2012-10-20 11:19:03 AM  

MolsonCanadian: Niveras:
Personally, I'm somewhat of the opinion that the "reality" of the Matrix is yet another simulation, hence why Neo could disable the sentinels and those bomb projectile things. It is likely it wasn't intended that way, though, since that and his ability to detect machine-life (as opposed to everything, since everything would be a simulation) were his only real powers in the Zion simulation. Why those powers exist at all isn't clear, nor is it explained why he's the only one that rejected the Zion simulation.

I think what Neo was able to do, that Oracle said he wasn't supposed to know how to do yet, was (using the hardware left in his body and his brain as a "software radio,") hack into the machine network, and accidentally jack himself into the Matrix. Doesn't really explain that bomb-thing going THROUGH him....

None of the other "Ones" had a Trinity, the others were out to save mankind in general, that's why he rejected it.


They recycled old linksys routers when they installed the hardware into people. Neo just got a functional WRT54G installed. HE installed DD-WRT on it.
 
2012-10-20 12:34:08 PM  

wiredroach: Porous Horace: If Grady exists only in Jacks mind, who let him out of the pantry?

Answer: Grady, because he's "real."


Answer: the lodge, because read the book.
 
2012-10-21 12:18:37 AM  

SevenizGud: Answer: the lodge, because read the book.


The film abandons the book pretty significantly, so why bother referencing it? For example, in the book, Jack redeems himself at the end. Not so in the film. Kubrick kept the question open about whether Jack is merely going crazy or under the influence of the ghosts in the hotel until the storeroom door is unlocked. Then it's obvious that no matter his mental state, the ghosts are real.
 
2012-10-21 02:45:20 AM  
A big plot hole for me is Wrath of Khan, how does the genesis being fired in a supernova make a planet? Is it built of stardust and ship parts?
 
2012-10-21 03:09:43 AM  
As far as the Matrix goes, there's one interpretation of the films that answers every problem - no one has ever escaped the Matrix. The "real world" is just the highest level in the construct, the machines don't need people to power anything, except possibily the matrix itself. The Matrix is a wildlife preserve for human beings, set up by the machines to make it possibile for humans to continue existing without destroying everything and making Earth inhabitable.
 
2012-10-21 03:15:33 AM  

walrusonion: A big plot hole for me is Wrath of Khan, how does the genesis being fired in a supernova make a planet? Is it built of stardust and ship parts?


WTF are you on about?

I'm sorry to take a swing at a fellow walrus here, but you need to watch that movie again, pal.
 
2012-10-21 03:26:32 AM  

burndtdan: Uchiha_Cycliste: Those lazy cocks, simply saying, "Oh, it's a time travel movie, lol so there's totally plot holes" doesn't mean there were plot holes, much less one of the worst of all time. I thought the movie was very consistent.

Looper had one glaring problem.

If the Bruce Willis version of Joe killed his future self, then who killed the Rainmaker's mom to make him the Rainmaker to cause that whole future problem he's trying to prevent? This isn't a problem with time-travel consistency so much as it's a big brain fart on Joe's part. Clearly, something ELSE in the kid's life turns him evil, so he probably didn't prevent anything.


Probably the kid who doesn't trust her until she's about to die. Easily the most lethal thing in her vicinity. There are no hard facts about the Rainmaker's origin in the BruceWillisChineseWifeMurdered future. We just accept the rumors when they add up to the truth. The only hard thing that changed at the end of the film was that the kid recognized his mother as his mother and released his vengeance grief.
 
2012-10-21 03:35:38 AM  

czetie: Smackledorfer: I get the continuous line bit, but you aren't walking when you time travel so if your ant got turned around and the line was all over the map the you just wound up in outer space.

Yes, sort of. Sure, you could wind up in outer space. But it would be because the spacetime curve you are following curves away from the spacetime curve the earth is following, and you would notice it happening, and could change your mind. It wouldn't be because you "skipped over" some period of time while the earth moved on. Observers wouldn't see you vanish before their eyes, only to reappear minutes later in the sky above them because the earth had moved.

And oddly, you could be walking when you time travel. In this model, time travel isn't a magical high tech device or a portal; it's the curvature of spacetime itself so that when you move through space you follow a loop in time. The trick to creating a "time machine" is that it isn't a machine at all; it's a region of space where the time curves back in a loop.

(Ironically, the popular TV show that comes closest to describing it this way is Seven Days, which relies on "a spacetime distortion" that the sphere moves in. Frank doesn't get thrown off the surface of the earth because it moves under him, but because that's where the space part of the spacetime distortion leads. At least, that's what I choose to believe.)i>

If you remember on Seven Days the shpere had a joystick control which the chrononaut had to use to keep the needles aligned. The alighment was crucial to the sphere arriving in the correct place and time.

 
2012-10-21 03:38:15 AM  

thecpt: Hans Kammler: all good replies on the hyperdrive etc. and i did not make my point fully.

so what if they were on the 'falcon' for 'weeks' - we are told it takes YEARS for someone to become a jedi. Yoda says Luke is too old. yeah crappy prequels aside or whatever we see younglings that take years to become jedi - and our hero Luke does it in a few hours like getting a merit badge. BZZZZZT wrong answer.

You know I've thought about this, but really Luke kind of sucks in terms of what Jedi's are capable of in the prequels. When he fights he looks like he learned the most basic abilities and makes up for it by completely giving into the ideology. He never performs any feats (force jump and such), can only move small objects, and his saber fighting is shiat.

It's almost more in line with how it should be.


Really the difference between Luke's abilities in Jedi and Empire are much harder to explain. He received no training between the two films, visits Yoda for the second time AFTER saving Han from Jabba, yet is better dressed, has a new lightsaber, does biatchin' jumps etc.
 
2012-10-21 07:01:38 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Citizen Kane"
The entire movie is based on Kane's famous last word, "rosebud." However, Kane died alone. So who was there to pass on what he said?

The movie is not based on Kane's famous last word. And the movie itself is the story teller here. The utterance of "Rosebud" didn't need to be "passed on" in order for the movie to tell the story to the audience.

Is the author of TFA 14 years old?

Well the narrative basis for the movie is that the reporter was assigned to go interview all of these people (Joseph Cotten, you rock) to find out what "Rosebud" meant. So someone had to have heard that it was his last word in order for the reporter to know that it was.

I just assumed it was Paul Stewart, the butler at Xanadu, who heard him say it.


You don't need to assume. Every time the issue of plot holes comes up, someone mentions how nobody heard Charles Foster Kane say "Rosebud." Which really only reveals that they've never seen the farking movie.

"I see. And that's what you know about 'rosebud'?"

"Yeah. I heard him say it that other time too. He just said uh... 'rosebud.' Then he dropped the glass ball and it broke on the floor. He didn't say anything after that and I knew he was dead."

That's in the movie. A character says, explicitly, that he heard CF Kane say it. And people always harp on "Oh, but there's nobody in the room when we see him die!" You mean in the room shrouded in darkness that we only ever see half of for all of 40 seconds? Well, I'm glad you watched the first 5 minutes of the film but if you'd watch the whole thing, you'd get your answer.
 
2012-10-21 12:42:51 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: walrusonion: A big plot hole for me is Wrath of Khan, how does the genesis being fired in a supernova make a planet? Is it built of stardust and ship parts?

WTF are you on about?

I'm sorry to take a swing at a fellow walrus here, but you need to watch that movie again, pal.


No, he's completely right. They're looking for a dead planet to test the Genesis device, which will re-tool the surface of that planet for organic life. They then detonate the device inside a space ship in the middle of a dust cloud, the Motara Nebula. Where does the planet come from?
 
2012-10-21 04:12:46 PM  

macadamnut: 100 Watt Walrus: walrusonion: A big plot hole for me is Wrath of Khan, how does the genesis being fired in a supernova make a planet? Is it built of stardust and ship parts?

WTF are you on about?

I'm sorry to take a swing at a fellow walrus here, but you need to watch that movie again, pal.

No, he's completely right. They're looking for a dead planet to test the Genesis device, which will re-tool the surface of that planet for organic life. They then detonate the device inside a space ship in the middle of a dust cloud, the Motara Nebula. Where does the planet come from?


Watch again. Where does the nebula go after the Genesis device detonates?
 
2012-10-21 05:40:10 PM  

flaminio: macadamnut: 100 Watt Walrus: walrusonion: A big plot hole for me is Wrath of Khan, how does the genesis being fired in a supernova make a planet? Is it built of stardust and ship parts?

WTF are you on about?

I'm sorry to take a swing at a fellow walrus here, but you need to watch that movie again, pal.

No, he's completely right. They're looking for a dead planet to test the Genesis device, which will re-tool the surface of that planet for organic life. They then detonate the device inside a space ship in the middle of a dust cloud, the Motara Nebula. Where does the planet come from?

Watch again. Where does the nebula go after the Genesis device detonates?


Well, there's a lot that could be called plot holes in the finale of that movie if you bring anything resembling science or physics into it, but the planet that is transformed is the one the two ships were orbiting on opposites sides just before the Enterprise made a run for it into the nebula, which based on how the scene plays out is "right next door," so to speak. So when the Genesis device blew (apparently accelerated and enhanced by the explosion of the Reliant's anti-matter?), it splooged enough Genesis juice in the direction of that dead rock to terraform it.

But then again, according to Memory Alpha, "The resulting cataclysmic explosion reorganized the matter that constituted the nebula (and possibly the ship itself) and formed a new planet, Genesis."

Either way, it's a big narrative leap of faith that makes not a damn bit of sense. But then neither does "Star Trek II's" notion of what a nebula is, so whatcha gonna do?
 
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