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(Mother Jones)   Do any of you dodo birds out there have $11 to prevent all future extinctions?   (motherjones.com) divider line 65
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2012-10-18 02:24:21 PM
resources2.news.com.au

Time to pay up, folks.

/easy for a bunch of white progressives behind their sweatshop-manufactured computers in an air-conditioned room to say
 
2012-10-18 02:25:51 PM
Unless we're talking about species being hunted to extinction or due to some other direct man-made cause, wouldn't this just be arrogant meddling with nature?

Oh no! No species can ever go extinct again because that would mean change and change is bad!
 
2012-10-18 02:38:44 PM

Donnchadha: Unless we're talking about species being hunted to extinction or due to some other direct man-made cause, wouldn't this just be arrogant meddling with nature?

Oh no! No species can ever go extinct again because that would mean change and change is bad!


The intellectual scientific community only has the best of intentions, and they already know how bad humans are for the environment. And this study was commissioned with only the best of intentions as well with very advanced computer modelling - we all know how smart computers are. It's not like any of those groups would have anything to gain if governments across the globe decided to fund a measure like this - nope, no public choice problems there. Move along and pay your $11.

And if you try to criticize any of it, well then, you're obviously in the pocket of big oil. And racist.


static.guim.co.uk

"Could these be worth $11?"
 
2012-10-18 03:03:43 PM

Hydra: [resources2.news.com.au image 350x240]

Time to pay up, folks.

/easy for a bunch of white progressives behind their sweatshop-manufactured computers in an air-conditioned room to say


those people are probably getting $1/day.... if they would just stop eating for 11 days, we could save the cute animals. but they are probably too selfish to get with the program.
 
2012-10-18 04:13:49 PM

Hydra: The intellectual scientific community only has the best of intentions, and they already know how bad humans are for the environment. And this study was commissioned with only the best of intentions as well with very advanced computer modelling - we all know how smart computers are. It's not like any of those groups would have anything to gain if governments across the globe decided to fund a measure like this - nope, no public choice problems there. Move along and pay your $11.

And if you try to criticize any of it, well then, you're obviously in the pocket of big oil. And racist.


Not that I'm implying you ever post anything worthwhile or intelligent anyway, but even by your standards your two posts so far were pretty stupid. Exactly what about this link jammed the stick so much farther up your ass than normal?
 
2012-10-18 04:14:05 PM
DODO THREAD!!!

files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2012-10-18 04:17:47 PM

Hydra: Time to pay up, folks.

/easy for a bunch of white progressives behind their sweatshop-manufactured computers in an air-conditioned room to say


Yeah, $11/day sounds like a steal until you realize people in some parts of the world are only making $1/day.

\Not that I don't think it's worth us first-worlders forking over more to make it happen.
 
2012-10-18 04:18:27 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Not that I'm implying you ever post anything worthwhile or intelligent anyway, but even by your standards your two posts so far were pretty stupid. Exactly what about this link jammed the stick so much farther up your ass than normal?


Now, be fair to the guy, we have no idea what his situation is. $11 can make a big difference in some peoples' lives. It's a couple gallons of gas, enough groceries for a day or two, a movie ticket to relieve the stress after a long day.

It's not fair to judge-wait, he's got TotalFark? Nevermind.
 
2012-10-18 04:19:59 PM
nono
 
2012-10-18 04:20:02 PM
I love (party) animals, that's why I already donated for the Bird. #givejoethebird
 
2012-10-18 04:21:26 PM
At $80 billion per year . . . the US comprises ~1/3 of Earth GDP so about $27 billion would be our bill. Divided by 310 million people, that's 87 bucks per person on average. The cost to the median American would be a good bit less presuming implementation of a progressive carbon tax or similar scheme.

So clearly, this is an outrage.

DIAF, climate change denialists.
 
2012-10-18 04:23:59 PM
"Let me tell you about endangered species, all right? Saving
endangered species is just one more arrogant attempt by humans to control
nature. It's arrogant meddling. It's what got us in trouble in the first
place. Doesn't anybody understand that? Interfering with nature. Over
90%, way over 90% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet,
ever lived, are gone. They're extinct. We didn't kill them all. They
just disappeared. That's what nature does. We're so self-important, so
self-important. Everybody is going to save something now. Save the
trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails. And the
greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What?

I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white
bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is
there aren't enough bicycle paths, people trying to make the world safe
for their Volvos. There is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong
with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are (bleep) --
difference, difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the
planet is doing great. It's been here four and a half billion years. Did
you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a
half billion years. We've only been engaged in heavy industry for a
little more than 200 years.

Two hundred years versus four and a half billion, and we have the
conceit to think that somehow we're a threat, that somehow we're going to
put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just
a-floatin' around the sun? The planet has been through a lot worse than
us, been through all kinds of things worse than us, been through
earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares,
sunspots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of
thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors,
worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays,
recurring ice ages, and we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans
are going to make a difference? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are!
We're going away. " ~ George Carlin
 
2012-10-18 04:24:27 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: DIAF, climate change denialists.


jokereatingpopcornwatchingdrama.jpg
 
2012-10-18 04:24:36 PM
It's simple; turn the cut fluffy/ feathery ones into pets. What about the rest you ask? What about them?
 
2012-10-18 04:25:02 PM
I would have gone with the "Unlikely" tag subby.
 
2012-10-18 04:25:57 PM
$11/year to stem the tide of natural selection?

Why don't we try to redirect the Amazon too?
 
2012-10-18 04:26:09 PM
I've got $11 to contribute to whatever cause is dedicated to the eradication of crickets.
 
2012-10-18 04:27:14 PM
Er, I guess it's kind of a good idea; but let's face it. Animals have been going extinct for hundreds of millions of years. To think we can "prevent all future extinctions" is ridiculous. There are species on this planet we haven't even discovered yet, and some of them are going to go extinct before we ever catalog them. Then there are species that are essentially extinct already. There are probably fewer than 500 Siberian tigers extant in the wild, which isn't enough to sustain the species; they are functionally extinct even though there are a few out there and will be extinct in another century at best even with reintroduction because of habitat loss. I'd rather try to preserve Bengal tigers, that have a shot a sustainability, than Siberian tigers, as ruthless as that sounds.

If it comes to a question of preserving species, money is better allocated toward sustaining habitats rather than preserving species, and to preventing killing of endangered species rather than costly breeding and reintroduction programs. Here in North America, two animals that show how that works are the mountain lion and alligator. All that was really done was to prevent killing them, in an area where there was no need for black-market products. Fifty years later, we have a surplus of both animals. Spending the eleven dollars to improve the economies of nations where slaughter of endangered species occurs, and to discourage poaching would probably eliminate the need to protect endangered species in under half a century.
 
2012-10-18 04:27:35 PM

PallMall: ~ George Carlin


THIS

When yellowstone asplodes it won't matter. Fark the animals.
 
2012-10-18 04:28:39 PM
How can we protect all the crazy stuff living in the deepest depths of the ocean? There are surely species we haven't even discovered.
 
2012-10-18 04:29:26 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Hydra: Time to pay up, folks.

/easy for a bunch of white progressives behind their sweatshop-manufactured computers in an air-conditioned room to say

Yeah, $11/day sounds like a steal until you realize people in some parts of the world are only making $1/day.

\Not that I don't think it's worth us first-worlders forking over more to make it happen.


Yeah, I mean, what if all us relatively-rich people gave $66 a year instead? I'd do it.

/pretty sure no one can save the pandas, though
//as a species, I think they have given up
 
2012-10-18 04:30:01 PM
What that means is somehow, transnational global bureaucratic elites will be able to buy $80 billion more worth of caviar, Range Rovers, and Swiss bank account donations. It will just disappear, like all that money spent to bail out Greece.

Actual number of species saved: Zero.
 
2012-10-18 04:32:15 PM
Only if you can save the kakapo.
 
2012-10-18 04:35:25 PM
I don't think $11 is going to dissuade all those Chinese men needing their Thursday night dose of rhino horn and tiger penis.
 
2012-10-18 04:36:58 PM
Hey everyone, copulate, have a kid, and drop this cost by 50%!


Yeaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
2012-10-18 04:37:23 PM

you have pee hands: Only if you can save the kakapo.


Kakapo needs a breeding program.

Link
 
2012-10-18 04:40:37 PM
What is this - Teledarwinism?
 
2012-10-18 04:43:24 PM

Valeriyance: I don't think $11 is going to dissuade all those Chinese men needing their Thursday night dose of rhino horn and tiger penis.


I decided my future career involves breeding rhinos, cutting off their horns, and selling them to the Chinese. Increases rhino population, reduces poaching, gives the Chinese their powdered horn, and gets me money. Win-win-win-win.
 
2012-10-18 04:46:45 PM
It is pie-in-the-sky dreams like this that make most folks scratch thier head at these hard-core enviros. To really save some of these animals we will be forced into an entirely different lifestyle from what we currently enjoy. Just getting folks to change current lifestyles is going to be much more difficult than hese folks really know.

In general terms, there is nothing wrong with attemping to manage and save struggling species. However, it is a fool's errand to say that we can place a price tag for saving every species currently in existence. $11 for everyone on the planet would not even begin to start those changes.
 
2012-10-18 04:48:49 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: you have pee hands: Only if you can save the kakapo.

Kakapo needs a breeding program.

Link


That's hilarious.

/ unfortunately, it had me wonder about the last one - who do they ever fark? they're literally going to die as a virgin unless if interspecies connections are involved.
// Interspecies erotica.
/// God, Clerks II is awesome.
 
2012-10-18 05:00:22 PM
For $11, I expect it to come with side of mashed potatoes and an appetizer.
 
2012-10-18 05:08:04 PM
Bunch of simpletons in here ragging on a paper from Science. How many of you twerps have Ph.D.s or any credentials whatsoever that afford you a capacity to critique the authors' conclusions?
 
2012-10-18 05:10:15 PM
I already donate far more than $11 every year for wildlife preservation, so I guess I can say "I gave at the office" and mean it.
 
2012-10-18 05:10:27 PM
I just donated @25.00 to the St. Bonaventure Indian Mission and School. There are many non-profits that work alongside American Indians. These types of missions and non-profits appeal to me. I donate to them regulalrly. Native Americans are teh bomb, and deserve good shiat. Think about 'em as you consider where to place your financial gifts and blessings that flow from abundance.

And no, I won't give my $11.00 to an environmental cause, though I hope that cause's adminisrators and workers do good deeds and are nice people.
 
2012-10-18 05:15:54 PM
If there's one sure fire way to solve a problem it's to throw money at it. Money fixes everything
 
2012-10-18 05:19:05 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Bunch of simpletons in here ragging on a paper from Science. How many of you twerps have Ph.D.s or any credentials whatsoever that afford you a capacity to critique the authors' conclusions?


It's a paywalled advocacy paper that the WWF got slipped into the Science publication.
 
2012-10-18 05:25:18 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Bunch of simpletons in here ragging on a paper from Science. How many of you twerps have Ph.D.s or any credentials whatsoever that afford you a capacity to critique the authors' conclusions?


The article abstract says "reducing the extinction risk of all globally threatened bird species" and the headline says "preventing all future extinctions". Surely somewhere on the way to your PhD you realized that those aren't equivalent statements.
 
2012-10-18 05:28:20 PM
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

Was out walking the dog the other day and came across this 5' tall sign. Notice the grass. It wasn't picked up and placed there. It had grown inside the post, 5' tall, and came out the top.

Nature doesn't give a fark about us. We're just zits on the face of the planet.
 
2012-10-18 05:32:06 PM
Just get the Chinese to quit thinking every exotic animal's private parts are an aphrodisiac and extinction issues will be over.
 
2012-10-18 05:42:36 PM
How much will it cost if we only save the cute animals?
 
2012-10-18 05:43:09 PM

Donnchadha: Unless we're talking about species being hunted to extinction or due to some other direct man-made cause, wouldn't this just be arrogant meddling with nature?

Oh no! No species can ever go extinct again because that would mean change and change is bad!


What difference does it even make if man is the reason? We are natural beings.... If we effect the ecosystem, destroy species, whatever... that is still a natural occurrence. Its only 'wrong' because humans have the capacity to feel regret and guilt, when most other animals do not...but that doesn't change anything.
 
2012-10-18 05:43:40 PM
the financial costs of meeting these targets are largely unknown. We estimate the cost

Yeah, they really don't have a f'n clue. Most of the preservation is a matter of giving the wildlife habitat some buffer, the big animals need protection from poachers. But how are you going to get the Japanese to stop eating everything that comes up in the nets.

/Give them credit, there's no Japanese concept of "bycatch"
 
2012-10-18 05:44:12 PM
I'd rather spend $11 on steak.
 
2012-10-18 05:44:32 PM
Please give generously to prevent Confidence Artists Environmental Activists from having to get productive jobs.
 
2012-10-18 05:48:40 PM
im.glogster.com

SAVE THE SMALLPOX!
 
2012-10-18 05:57:48 PM
I got about a tree-fiddy.
 
2012-10-18 06:04:31 PM
We spend about that much on our military every month. And that's just the US.

Imagine what we could do if we invested our money in helping each other instead of killing each other.
 
2012-10-18 06:07:16 PM

Twigz221: We spend about that much on our military every month. And that's just the US.

Imagine what we could do if we invested our money in helping each other instead of killing each other.



Helping each other do what?
 
2012-10-18 06:29:02 PM
We better also make sure no new species evolve. Obviously the earth is best when everything stays the same.

/would pay $11 a month to extincticize mosquitos.
 
2012-10-18 06:46:41 PM

CruJones: We better also make sure no new species evolve. Obviously the earth is best when everything stays the same.

/would pay $11 a month to extincticize mosquitos.



Yeah, well fark you too!


/And take a number
 
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