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2012-10-18 02:31:00 PM  
q: are we not men?
 
2012-10-18 02:32:53 PM  
Yes, we are

/but in your case, we'll make an exception
 
2012-10-18 02:38:43 PM  
He also added, "I am he as you are me as we are me and we are all together. Goo goo g'joob"
 
2012-10-18 02:38:48 PM  
www.moonbattery.com
 
2012-10-18 02:40:27 PM  
KSM is one bad mofo. The terrorist organization that he founded (I forgot the name of it) basically taught that it was ok for their members to disregard Islamic laws in order to fit in with the people they were attacking... That is why reports of the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about.

Only worse one is Hambali (who, thankfully, is also in custody). He wanted to turn all of SE Asia into an Islamic superpower... Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc...
 
2012-10-18 02:41:27 PM  
He's changed his ways. We should let him go.
 
2012-10-18 02:41:45 PM  
Ironic for the statement or that its reported by the Christian Science Monitor?
 
2012-10-18 02:41:59 PM  

machoprogrammer: KSM is one bad mofo. The terrorist organization that he founded (I forgot the name of it) basically taught that it was ok for their members to disregard Islamic laws in order to fit in with the people they were attacking... That is why reports of the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about.

Only worse one is Hambali (who, thankfully, is also in custody). He wanted to turn all of SE Asia into an Islamic superpower... Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc...


So... they belong to the Mormon sect of Islam?
 
2012-10-18 02:42:10 PM  
Then the world can live as...

they won.
 
2012-10-18 02:42:12 PM  
Who recently said in court, "We are all human beings"? C.) accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed  

Here are the ironic parts:

The words "court"  and "trial".
 
2012-10-18 02:43:03 PM  
except for da joos
 
2012-10-18 02:43:19 PM  

macadamnut: Who recently said in court, "We are all human beings"? C.) accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed  

Here are the ironic parts:

The words "court"  and "trial".


Because there's really any doubt of his involvement whatsoever
 
2012-10-18 02:44:31 PM  
Yes, sir, we are. As a human being, you've earned the modifier of "garbage".
 
2012-10-18 02:44:55 PM  

machoprogrammer: KSM is one bad mofo. The terrorist organization that he founded (I forgot the name of it) basically taught that it was ok for their members to disregard Islamic laws in order to fit in with the people they were attacking... That is why reports of the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about.

Only worse one is Hambali (who, thankfully, is also in custody). He wanted to turn all of SE Asia into an Islamic superpower... Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc...


Yeah, but these are really hypocritical. They weren't visiting strip clubs to "fit in" anymore than the porn stash Found on Osama Bin Laden's computer was for educational purposes.
 
2012-10-18 02:45:59 PM  
Drown him in pigs blood.
 
2012-10-18 02:46:55 PM  
and we are Penn State.
 
2012-10-18 02:46:55 PM  
Yes, we are.

Which means he can take a 9mm to the back of the head like anybody else.
 
2012-10-18 02:47:01 PM  
"Every dictator can put this definition on as a shoe that he chooses to step on every person in this world, every law, and every constitution,"

Then you're fine with me beating you to a bloody, unrecognizable pulp. Because The Man.

OK.
 
2012-10-18 02:47:48 PM  

thisiszombocom: except for da joos juice


ftfy
 
2012-10-18 02:48:17 PM  

machoprogrammer: KSM is one bad mofo.


You're not kidding:

"Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed....including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding."
 
2012-10-18 02:48:22 PM  
Of course he said it hes trying to save his sorry ass. Its not like its revolutionary.
 
2012-10-18 02:49:04 PM  
Can't we all just get along?
 
2012-10-18 02:50:24 PM  
I demand he be released. At Ground Zero. At Noon. With only 24 hours notice. In all the New York newspapers.
 
2012-10-18 02:50:52 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: q: are we not men?


No, they are rabid dogs that need to be put down for much deserved dirt naps.
 
2012-10-18 02:51:22 PM  
We're all dancers.
 
2012-10-18 02:51:28 PM  
Well except for the Western Imperialists whom he proffered a twisted view of his faith upon vulnerable youths in order to abuse it towards political ends.

Its kinda funny, people who were one-time allies with 'Murica (Ghaddafi, Hussein, Bin Laden when he was fighting the Soviets) end up dead with the help of our government and the ones who hate us from the start get treated with most of the same protections under our own laws
 
2012-10-18 02:52:06 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: q: are we not men?


a: we are Devo
 
2012-10-18 02:52:32 PM  

TheOriginalEd: Of course he said it hes trying to save his sorry ass. Its not like its revolutionary.


He knows how this will end. He wanted to be in the papers.
 
2012-10-18 02:53:04 PM  

Elroydb: Its kinda funny, people who were one-time allies with 'Murica (Ghaddafi, Hussein, Bin Laden when he was fighting the Soviets) end up dead with the help of our government and the ones who hate us from the start get treated with most of the same protections under our own laws


They know what we've been up to and might talk.
 
2012-10-18 02:53:09 PM  
I thought that were were not men, but DEVO ...
 
2012-10-18 02:53:59 PM  

machoprogrammer: KSM is one bad mofo. The terrorist organization that he founded (I forgot the name of it) basically taught that it was ok for their members to disregard Islamic laws in order to fit in with the people they were attacking... That is why reports of the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about.

Only worse one is Hambali (who, thankfully, is also in custody). He wanted to turn all of SE Asia into an Islamic superpower... Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc...


well it also came out that the reports that "the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about" were not true.
 
2012-10-18 02:54:42 PM  
www.dogtagart.com
 
2012-10-18 02:54:59 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I demand he be released. At Ground Zero. At Noon. With only 24 hours notice. In all the New York newspapers.


From the height of 1728 ft?
 
2012-10-18 02:58:24 PM  
We are all human beings
But some human beings are more human being

Written on a barn somewhere
 
2012-10-18 02:59:09 PM  

TheOriginalEd: Of course he said it hes trying to save his sorry ass. Its not like its revolutionary.


Having read TFA, I really don't see that being the intent of those words.
 
2012-10-18 02:59:36 PM  
We are all individuals! 

jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-18 03:00:13 PM  
 
2012-10-18 03:00:45 PM  

Elroydb: Well except for the Western Imperialists whom he proffered a twisted view of his faith upon vulnerable youths in order to abuse it towards political ends.

Its kinda funny, people who were one-time allies with 'Murica (Ghaddafi, Hussein, Bin Laden when he was fighting the Soviets) end up dead with the help of our government and the ones who hate us from the start get treated with most of the same protections under our own laws


Bin Laden was never actually our ally... The US never directly helped him. They were at one point not enemies (during the Afghan-Soviet war), but the US never directly assisted OBL.

halfof33: well it also came out that the reports that "the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about" were not true.


Source?
 
2012-10-18 03:02:42 PM  
Thread needs "A Few Good Men" references

/a few, or two.
 
2012-10-18 03:03:41 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh?
 
2012-10-18 03:09:03 PM  

machoprogrammer: Source


well considering the original source for your claim was a holocaust denier...

but I am happy to oblige:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Amanda_Keller
 
2012-10-18 03:11:52 PM  

macadamnut: Who recently said in court, "We are all human beings"? C.) accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed  

Here are the ironic parts:

The words "court"  and "trial".


And right you are, but even if KSM had a civilian trial and was acquitted Holder said he had no plans to let him go. I'm not defending the guy but I think a military trial is appropiate in some cases.
 
2012-10-18 03:11:58 PM  
When we doo-doo, is our poo not brown?
It's the same the whole world' round.
When you wipe, do you look at the tissue?
Most folk do, that's not even an issue.
 
2012-10-18 03:13:50 PM  

Molavian: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I demand he be released. At Ground Zero. At Noon. With only 24 hours notice. In all the New York newspapers.

From the height of 1728 ft?


I like the cut of your jib!

/newsletter and all that.
 
2012-10-18 03:15:48 PM  
Lol, judge got lectured so now he won't let him speak again!
 
2012-10-18 03:16:12 PM  
If he's just a human being, lock him up in San Quentin, see what happens. He's not Magneto. Why do we treat these guys like super-powered mutants? What the hell can they do in Leavenworth that's so terrible?

Oh, right, the torturing...
 
2012-10-18 03:20:30 PM  

Trocadero: If he's just a human being, lock him up in San Quentin, see what happens. He's not Magneto. Why do we treat these guys like super-powered mutants? What the hell can they do in Leavenworth that's so terrible?

Oh, right, the torturing...


It gives muslims mutant jihad super powers, no lie.
 
2012-10-18 03:21:20 PM  

halfof33: machoprogrammer: Source

well considering the original source for your claim was a holocaust denier...

but I am happy to oblige:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Amanda_Keller


Intredasting. I shall read when I get home. Thank you sir, it was a legit source request (wasn't trying to be snarky).
 
2012-10-18 03:22:30 PM  

Arkanaut: thisiszombocom: except for da joos juice
ftfy



O.J. DID 9/11!!
 
2012-10-18 03:22:38 PM  

SoupJohnB: Thread needs "A Few Good Men" references

/a few, or two.


"I'm out of order! You're out of order! This whole trial is out of order!"

/I love Robert Deniro in that movie.
 
2012-10-18 03:22:41 PM  

LesterB: [i.telegraph.co.uk image 240x251]

If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh?


i157.photobucket.com

If you cut me, do I not cough?
If you hit me, do I not sneeze?
And if you call me names, do I not eat?
 
2012-10-18 03:23:13 PM  

gunga galunga: When we doo-doo, is our poo not brown?
It's the same the whole world' round.
When you wipe, do you look at the tissue?
Most folk do, that's not even an issue.


Cool, bro. Now bust us some Vanilla Sherbert....and gimme some'a dat Booty Juice.
 
2012-10-18 03:24:26 PM  

Sargun: Because there's really any doubt of his involvement whatsoever


You have no idea whether he was involved in anything, whatsoever or otherwise.
 
2012-10-18 03:25:27 PM  

gunga galunga: SoupJohnB: Thread needs "A Few Good Men" references

/a few, or two.

"I'm out of order! You're out of order! This whole trial is out of order!"

/I love Robert Deniro in that movie.


/Pacino, or another inside Farkism?
 
2012-10-18 03:27:44 PM  
Based on what I know of our species' history, I'm not sure that's such a glowing recommendation.
 
2012-10-18 03:30:04 PM  
My thoughts were: you might have thought of that before hatching then executing a plot to kill 3000 human beings.

Don't believe in death penalties, I don't believe executing him goes a wet slap towards making amends, don't believe in torture, etc.

What I do believe is that I'm not going to take refrains of "We are the World" from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed very seriously, if at all. He's probably right, don't get me wrong- National Security's a cop-out. Then again the "we are all human beings" consideration sounds pretty worthless coming from him as well.
 
2012-10-18 03:30:20 PM  

ristst: gunga galunga: When we doo-doo, is our poo not brown?
It's the same the whole world' round.
When you wipe, do you look at the tissue?
Most folk do, that's not even an issue.

Cool, bro. Now bust us some Vanilla Sherbert....and gimme some'a dat Booty Juice.


Political Unrest Stable Society Yes, brah!
 
2012-10-18 03:30:47 PM  

macadamnut: Sargun: Because there's really any doubt of his involvement whatsoever

You have no idea whether he was involved in anything, whatsoever or otherwise.


I'm all for a fair trial, but fark off dude. This is KSM and a bullet to the brain is too good for him.

I do think we should try to get him to admit that Jews are also human beings tho.
 
2012-10-18 03:31:10 PM  

gunga galunga: When we doo-doo, is our poo not brown?
It's the same the whole world' round.
When you wipe, do you look at the tissue?
Most folk do, that's not even an issue.


Your newsletter, etc...

/would read over a glass of Booty Juice
 
2012-10-18 03:31:41 PM  
OMG UNLEASH THE ROMNEYBOT
BOMB BOMB IRAN
 
2012-10-18 03:55:07 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I demand he be released. At Ground Zero. At Noon. With only 24 hours notice. In all the New York newspapers.


Fair's fair, though. Bush and Blair should be released simultaneously in central Baghdad.
 
2012-10-18 03:56:16 PM  
For some reason they're putting him through our justice system.
which we already KNOW is severely broken.
And now we get to hear him mocking it..and you

All yours, proud Americans
enjoy
 
2012-10-18 03:57:29 PM  
Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed by the government and reported in the media, including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding.

Human rights advocates say the technique is a form of torture. US officials deny that harsh interrogations crossed the line into torture.

The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government documents.


Makes ya prad to be 'Merican,

Don't it?
 
2012-10-18 03:58:53 PM  

orbister: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I demand he be released. At Ground Zero. At Noon. With only 24 hours notice. In all the New York newspapers.

Fair's fair, though. Bush and Blair should be released simultaneously in central Baghdad.


And have Cheney miss all the fun?
 
2012-10-18 04:01:45 PM  
I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?
 
2012-10-18 04:05:49 PM  

Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?


Smack him in the head, then send him down to Vermont, and let me know where he is. I'll smack him so hard he lands on St Hubert.
 
2012-10-18 04:09:43 PM  

Amos Quito: The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government domme documents.


Meh.....Saturday night
 
2012-10-18 04:10:14 PM  

Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?



www.taratarot.com

Anyone who doesn't accept the official government approved version of events without question is obviously a witch.
 
2012-10-18 04:10:47 PM  

Amos Quito: Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed by the government and reported in the media, including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding.

Human rights advocates say the technique is a form of torture. US officials deny that harsh interrogations crossed the line into torture.

The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government documents.


Makes ya prad to be 'Merican,

Don't it?



Still doesn't beat Nuremberg.
 
2012-10-18 04:11:47 PM  

ristst: gunga galunga: SoupJohnB: Thread needs "A Few Good Men" references

/a few, or two.

"I'm out of order! You're out of order! This whole trial is out of order!"

/I love Robert Deniro in that movie.

/Pacino, or another inside Farkism?


It was just a baited hook, Fark ironic cinema-style

/Everybody here knows that it was actually Jackie Coogan who owned that flick
 
2012-10-18 04:16:10 PM  
Newly Released DOJ Memos Support Account of Torture of KSM's Children using Insects
"A set of memos recently released by the Obama administration provide some support for allegations that the children of alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) were tortured to reveal their father's whereabouts. A detainee's relative said that they had been tortured with insects in 2007, and the newly released memos approve the use of insects as a part of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques."

Color me naive but I didn't think they could find people that would actually take part in this.
 
2012-10-18 04:16:17 PM  

Vectron: neenerist: machoprogrammer: "Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed....including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding."

He is also alleged to have confessed to a role in many of the most significant terrorist plots over the last twenty years, including the World Trade Center 1993 bombings, the Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl.

hmmm.


183 waterboardings?
I might plead guilty to all that plus dropping a house on the wicked witch, stealing candy from babbys, burning down the orphanage, raping ducklings, peeing in the pool, causing global warming, etc, etc.
But...this pig is dirty and needs drowned in pig's blood.
Invite all his friends to join him, too.
If you can't finish the job, you shouldn't be in the military.

Finish him.
 
2012-10-18 04:20:01 PM  

gunga galunga: ristst: gunga galunga: When we doo-doo, is our poo not brown?
It's the same the whole world' round.
When you wipe, do you look at the tissue?
Most folk do, that's not even an issue.

Cool, bro. Now bust us some Vanilla Sherbert....and gimme some'a dat Booty Juice.

Political Unrest Stable Society Yes, brah!


PUSS...Why?
 
2012-10-18 04:24:28 PM  

vudukungfu: He is also alleged to have confessed to a role in many of the most significant terrorist plots over the last twenty years, including the World Trade Center 1993 bombings, the Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, the murder of Daniel Pearl, two turtle doves and a partridge in a pe-ar tree.

 
2012-10-18 04:24:32 PM  

vudukungfu: Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?

Smack him in the head, then send him down to Vermont, and let me know where he is. I'll smack him so hard he lands on St Hubert.


He often goes to Glover, Vermont, to hang out with the B&P people.

Amos Quito:
[www.taratarot.com image 510x372]
Anyone who doesn't accept the official government approved version of events without question is obviously a witch.


Uh ... yeah, sure, why not go to the hyperbolic extreme? A hallmark of your "style", if you will.
He recently saw a new docco on 9/11 where "you can see the planes approaching but in the last couple of frames - they're not there!" ... "... missiles ..." ... and so on.

Here's something a farker said once that I find describes this well:
"One of those people who, if asked, will probably identify as being sceptical, yet is more concerned with locating conspiracy than in developing a realistic understanding of a situation."
 
2012-10-18 04:29:45 PM  

Vectron: Amos Quito: Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed by the government and reported in the media, including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding.

Human rights advocates say the technique is a form of torture. US officials deny that harsh interrogations crossed the line into torture.

The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government documents.


Makes ya prad to be 'Merican,

Don't it?


Still doesn't beat Nuremberg.



Good point.
 
2012-10-18 04:31:16 PM  

SkunkWerks: My thoughts were: you might have thought of that before hatching then executing a plot to kill 3000 human beings.

Don't believe in death penalties, I don't believe executing him goes a wet slap towards making amends, don't believe in torture, etc.

What I do believe is that I'm not going to take refrains of "We are the World" from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed very seriously, if at all. He's probably right, don't get me wrong- National Security's a cop-out. Then again the "we are all human beings" consideration sounds pretty worthless coming from him as well.


It's pretty worthless from anybody in his position. A defendant in this kind of trial needs to be very quiet and let his lawyer do all the talking.
 
2012-10-18 04:33:13 PM  

Vectron: He is also alleged to have confessed to a role in many of the most significant terrorist plots over the last twenty years, including the World Trade Center 1993 bombings, the Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl.

hmmm.



While waterboarding and the torture they put him through are atrocious, there is other evidence he actually did do most of that stuff (WTC 1993 bombings was most likely him, Bojinka was definitely him, Bali was him, the shoe bombing attempt was him and the murder of Daniel Pearl was likely him).
 
2012-10-18 04:34:36 PM  

Porous Horace: e often goes to Glover, Vermont, to hang out with the B&P people.


farking hippie truthere, eh?
worst kind,
like, maaaaaaaan, we knowwww, you know?
Like the governement, like man, like you know, like the government?
Like they planned this all out.

Yeah, They can't fix a farking budget let alone pull off a caper to steal from the public ithout getting caught.
Works the same in Canadia.
I watch this hour, I know.
:)
 
2012-10-18 04:37:53 PM  

stewbert: macadamnut: Sargun: Because there's really any doubt of his involvement whatsoever

You have no idea whether he was involved in anything, whatsoever or otherwise.

I'm all for a fair trial, but fark off dude. This is KSM and a bullet to the brain is too good for him.

I do think we should try to get him to admit that Jews are also human beings tho.


That's not how "fair trials" work.
 
2012-10-18 04:38:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: SkunkWerks: My thoughts were: you might have thought of that before hatching then executing a plot to kill 3000 human beings.

Don't believe in death penalties, I don't believe executing him goes a wet slap towards making amends, don't believe in torture, etc.

What I do believe is that I'm not going to take refrains of "We are the World" from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed very seriously, if at all. He's probably right, don't get me wrong- National Security's a cop-out. Then again the "we are all human beings" consideration sounds pretty worthless coming from him as well.


It's pretty worthless from anybody in his position. A defendant in this kind of trial needs to be very quiet and let his lawyer do all the talking.



Worked for Osama (except the lawyer part, of course).

And not to worry, the judge realized that his OOPS embarrassed the government, and has pledged to mend his ways:

"We need to make something clear here," [judge] Pohl said with more than a trace of irritation in his voice. "This is a one-time occurrence. If the accused wish to represent themselves as attorneys that is one issue, but however heartfelt, I am again not going to entertain any personal comments by the accused."
 
2012-10-18 04:54:52 PM  

LesterB: [i.telegraph.co.uk image 240x251]

If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh?


www.startrek.com

Wrong us, shall we not revenge?
 
2012-10-18 04:59:24 PM  
www.csmonitor.com
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, (2nd r.) the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks, addresses the judge during the third day of pre-trial hearings in the 9/11 war crimes prosecution as depicted in this Pentagon-approved courtroom sketch at the US Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, October 17.


Really, second from the right, that's Khalid Sheikh Mohammad?
 
2012-10-18 04:59:45 PM  
And Hitler liked his dog
 
2012-10-18 05:03:40 PM  
Wait. Before we hang him allow him one last moment to live out his dream.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-10-18 05:08:29 PM  
The idiot should have designated his terrorist targets as "militants". Apparently that works quite well.

media.salon.com
 
2012-10-18 05:11:42 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: q: are we not men?


We are but men; ROCK!
 
2012-10-18 05:17:54 PM  

Vectron: hmmm.


It was a response to the suggestion he's one bad mofo. Your link, despicable acts without question, don't erase he lived through nearly 200 waterboardings. Hannity can't endure the thought of one.
 
2012-10-18 05:33:12 PM  

neenerist: Vectron: hmmm.

It was a response to the suggestion he's one bad mofo. Your link, despicable acts without question, don't erase he lived through nearly 200 waterboardings. Hannity can't endure the thought of one.


You misunderstand my "hmmm"

I was wondering if there was a correlation between the astounding number of things he has confessed to and the number of times he was tortured. It seems to me this in an unfortunate way to uncover the truth.
 
2012-10-18 05:35:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: machoprogrammer: KSM is one bad mofo. The terrorist organization that he founded (I forgot the name of it) basically taught that it was ok for their members to disregard Islamic laws in order to fit in with the people they were attacking... That is why reports of the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about.

Only worse one is Hambali (who, thankfully, is also in custody). He wanted to turn all of SE Asia into an Islamic superpower... Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc...

Yeah, but these are really hypocritical. They weren't visiting strip clubs to "fit in" anymore than the porn stash Found on Osama Bin Laden's computer was for educational purposes.


Yes. A group of unnamed "officials" made a self serving statement off the record that could never be disproven. There are entire departments of the DOD dedicated to terrorist misinformation campaigns. Why wouldn't they say there was porn on his computer?
 
2012-10-18 05:58:43 PM  
I agree. That doesn't mean I don't want you lathered in bacon grease and set ablaze by means of a roman candle jammed up your ass. And I'm a democrat. You don't wanna know what my republican friends want to see happen. It involves a cheese grater and a tub full of magets. I'm hoping that in the spirit of bi-partisanship we can do both. Oh, and snakes. Gotta have snakes.
 
2012-10-18 06:00:57 PM  

Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?


Smack him in the head
 
2012-10-18 06:01:44 PM  

Vectron: You misunderstand my "hmmm"


You understood my misunderstanding, mea culpa. I'm amazed his heart withstood that abuse.
 
2012-10-18 06:10:59 PM  
Fark this a-hole. We should cover him in red ink and tell him it is a woman's period blood. Those Muslim a-holes love that sh*t.

ACLU-bu bu bu torture. Whaaaaaa.
 
2012-10-18 06:23:17 PM  
Where's your Allah now, biatch?
Out helping Muhammed rape children?
 
2012-10-18 06:50:16 PM  
except for you, you're a disgusting piece of garbage...
 
2012-10-18 07:21:05 PM  
Huh. Apparently 183 times is considered excessive.
 
2012-10-18 07:29:44 PM  
We ought to postpone the trial to consider this.

Then keep waterboarding the farker while we wait.
 
2012-10-18 07:34:12 PM  

orbister: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I demand he be released. At Ground Zero. At Noon. With only 24 hours notice. In all the New York newspapers.

Fair's fair, though. Bush and Blair should be released simultaneously in central Baghdad.



In a perfect world, this would happen.
 
2012-10-18 08:18:09 PM  

adammpower: stewbert: macadamnut: Sargun: Because there's really any doubt of his involvement whatsoever

You have no idea whether he was involved in anything, whatsoever or otherwise.

I'm all for a fair trial, but fark off dude. This is KSM and a bullet to the brain is too good for him.

I do think we should try to get him to admit that Jews are also human beings tho.

That's not how "fair trials" work.


And if he were American I might give a fark. And he was American and also not KSM, I'd feel much differently.

KSM is in a special league with Osama. I'm just bummed he wasn't also assassinated and simply dumped in the ocean.

fark KSM. fark him with a pig's dick.
 
2012-10-18 08:39:28 PM  

Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?


I'd suggest doing the research for yourself. Then you can decide whether you believe the conspiracy or not.
 
2012-10-18 09:39:57 PM  

gunga galunga: When we doo-doo, is our poo not brown?
It's the same the whole world' round.
When you wipe, do you look at the tissue?
Most folk do, that's not even an issue.


If you don't, how do you know when you're done wiping? Is this how people get skidmarks? Guessing?
 
2012-10-18 09:48:00 PM  

Amos Quito: Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed by the government and reported in the media, including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding.

Human rights advocates say the technique is a form of torture. US officials deny that harsh interrogations crossed the line into torture.

The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government documents.


Makes ya prad to be 'Merican,

Don't it?


Ask Dan Pearl or the 3000 in the WTC who didn't get out if it was justified...

For that matter, It's getting easier and easier to consider ditches full of democrat bodies as acceptable.

The Great Uniter has done a commendable job. Not since 1860 has this country been so close to sectarian violence.

 
2012-10-18 09:58:23 PM  

daxxenos: Amos Quito: Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed by the government and reported in the media, including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding.

Human rights advocates say the technique is a form of torture. US officials deny that harsh interrogations crossed the line into torture.

The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government documents.


Makes ya prad to be 'Merican,

Don't it?

Ask Dan Pearl or the 3000 in the WTC who didn't get out if it was justified... For that matter, It's getting easier and easier to consider ditches full of democrat bodies as acceptable.The Great Uniter has done a commendable job. Not since 1860 has this country been so close to sectarian violence.



When I was a boy I was proud to be an American because I thought we were an especially moral people. I would hear about atrocities to our soldiers in various wars and believed American soldiers would never act like that. My picture of the GI was the guy handing out chocolate to kids in foreign lands. It grieves me to see law and morality ignored in the name of security.

Violence begats violence. To stop the cycle we need to leave their lands. Let's also stop immigration of their people.
 
2012-10-18 09:59:18 PM  

angryjd: Because People in power are Stupid: machoprogrammer: KSM is one bad mofo. The terrorist organization that he founded (I forgot the name of it) basically taught that it was ok for their members to disregard Islamic laws in order to fit in with the people they were attacking... That is why reports of the hijackers hanging out at strip clubs and drinking before the hijackings came about.

Only worse one is Hambali (who, thankfully, is also in custody). He wanted to turn all of SE Asia into an Islamic superpower... Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc...

Yeah, but these are really hypocritical. They weren't visiting strip clubs to "fit in" anymore than the porn stash Found on Osama Bin Laden's computer was for educational purposes.

Yes. A group of unnamed "officials" made a self serving statement off the record that could never be disproven. There are entire departments of the DOD dedicated to terrorist misinformation campaigns. Why wouldn't they say there was porn on his computer?


The same way they know that there is porn on your computer.
 
2012-10-18 10:29:08 PM  

FatherChaos: Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?

I'd suggest doing the research for yourself. Then you can decide whether you believe the conspiracy or not.


Serious research, like watching a YouTube video.
 
2012-10-18 10:54:00 PM  
Whaaa? I thought Dick Cheney was the 9/11 mastermind....

/or was that the illuminati?
 
2012-10-18 11:00:11 PM  
After bush/cheney convened their energy policy gettogether between jan 01 and may 01 - I knew the game was up. can't imagine who I'd kick in the balls first if I saw them walking down the street.
 
2012-10-18 11:33:28 PM  

Novart: FatherChaos: Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?

I'd suggest doing the research for yourself. Then you can decide whether you believe the conspiracy or not.

Serious research, like watching a YouTube video.


I've looked into it enough over the years.
I don't believe that 9/11 was an elaborate hoax by Bush & co. or any of the other conspiracy theories, at all.
I've moved on; there are other things that have happened since.
 
2012-10-18 11:45:55 PM  

daxxenos: Amos Quito: Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed by the government and reported in the media, including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding.

Human rights advocates say the technique is a form of torture. US officials deny that harsh interrogations crossed the line into torture.

The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government documents.


Makes ya prad to be 'Merican,

Don't it?

Ask Dan Pearl or the 3000 in the WTC who didn't get out if it was justified... For that matter, It's getting easier and easier to consider ditches full of democrat bodies as acceptable.The Great Uniter has done a commendable job. Not since 1860 has this country been so close to sectarian violence.



I was about to answer you but...


Vectron: When I was a boy I was proud to be an American because I thought we were an especially moral people. I would hear about atrocities to our soldiers in various wars and believed American soldiers would never act like that. My picture of the GI was the guy handing out chocolate to kids in foreign lands. It grieves me to see law and morality ignored in the name of security.

Violence begats violence. To stop the cycle we need to leave their lands. Let's also stop immigration of their people.



...Vectron said it well.

No matter who "wins", if you've lost the moral high-ground, you've lost.
 
2012-10-18 11:47:54 PM  
Oh yeah, he also feels that the SARS epidemic in Toronto was a government-manufactured thing to test out panic situations in large populations.

I dunno, I think people like my friend waste a lot of time trying to find some great conspiracy while neglecting actual important things that are happening in reality. Things they may actually be able to do something about. Perhaps it's a form of laziness.

f.ex. Did you know that Uzbekistan is using less child labour in their cottons harvests these days (partially) due to pressure from companies like Adidas? And that adults from all over the country are being conscripted to pick cotton, even doctors to the point that some clinics and hospitals close temporarily?
He probably doesn't due to being wound up about chemtrails or something.

It's all wild stories with little fact and even less science (in cases where science is applicable).

/science!
 
2012-10-18 11:59:26 PM  

Porous Horace: Oh yeah, he also feels that the SARS epidemic in Toronto was a government-manufactured thing to test out panic situations in large populations.

I dunno, I think people like my friend waste a lot of time trying to find some great conspiracy while neglecting actual important things that are happening in reality. Things they may actually be able to do something about. Perhaps it's a form of laziness.

f.ex. Did you know that Uzbekistan is using less child labour in their cottons harvests these days (partially) due to pressure from companies like Adidas? And that adults from all over the country are being conscripted to pick cotton, even doctors to the point that some clinics and hospitals close temporarily?
He probably doesn't due to being wound up about chemtrails or something.

It's all wild stories with little fact and even less science (in cases where science is applicable).

/science!



I (for one) think that September 11 should be made a national holiday.

Perhaps "Amazing Coincidences Day", or something to that effect.
 
2012-10-19 12:09:09 AM  

Vectron: I would hear about atrocities to our soldiers in various wars and believed American soldiers would never act like that.


You were naive. Atrocities happen by all parties. There are differences in degree, in official sanction, and in frequency, but atrocity in war is inevitable.

Might I suggest "With the Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge. A regular American boy, fighting the Japanese in Pelielu and Guadalcanal. It is a memoir, not a scholarly history book, but it is a frank look at the ugliest of war.
 
2012-10-19 12:18:49 AM  

Amos Quito: No matter who "wins", if you've lost the moral high-ground, you've lost.


Silliness. Every party in war feels they have the moral high ground. I'm sure the Aztecs felt they had the moral high ground against Cortez, and Cortez felt the same way. Same for the Punic Wars.

Ask almost any person in any society how many of "their own" people they would sacrifice in order to preserve the lives of their enemy and their people, and the answer is probably "none." Humanity is little evolved beyond the hunter-gatherer when it comes to warfare.
 
2012-10-19 12:31:46 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Porous Horace: I have a friend who is a 9/11 ... uh ... 'truther'?
I'm having trouble not smacking him in the head the more he talks about it.
Advice?

Smack him in the head


With a 10-lb. sledgehammer.
 
2012-10-19 12:37:53 AM  

ko_kyi: Amos Quito: No matter who "wins", if you've lost the moral high-ground, you've lost.

Silliness. Every party in war feels they have the moral high ground. I'm sure the Aztecs felt they had the moral high ground against Cortez, and Cortez felt the same way. Same for the Punic Wars.

Ask almost any person in any society how many of "their own" people they would sacrifice in order to preserve the lives of their enemy and their people, and the answer is probably "none." Humanity is little evolved beyond the hunter-gatherer when it comes to warfare.



But that's the whole point:

If we hope to survive as a species, we'd damn well better evolve, hadn't we?
 
2012-10-19 12:45:59 AM  

Amos Quito: If we hope to survive as a species, we'd damn well better evolve, hadn't we?


It is an interesting question, weapons get deadlier, humanity remains the same. Your question implies it is possible, but history demonstrates otherwise.
 
2012-10-19 02:32:24 AM  

topcon: He's changed his ways. We should let him go.


From a helicopter at 5000 feet.
 
2012-10-19 02:43:32 AM  

Amos Quito: If we hope to survive as a species, we'd damn well better evolve, hadn't we?


We are killers descended from a long line of killers. The only species that is a real danger to H. Sapiens is H. Sapiens.

Tribalism and the willingness to kill are pro-survival behaviors. However, cooperation and non-violence are also pro-survival behaviors. You need both to survive.

If you're not willing to kill to protect yourself or your progeny, you're not an asset to the gene pool. People who are unwilling to kill are just as defective as those who are overly willing to kill; the only difference is that the first group are better neighbors in times of peace and abundance.
 
2012-10-19 04:26:20 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: I agree. That doesn't mean I don't want you lathered in bacon grease and set ablaze by means of a roman candle jammed up your ass. And I'm a democrat. You don't wanna know what my republican friends want to see happen. It involves a cheese grater and a tub full of magets. I'm hoping that in the spirit of bi-partisanship we can do both. Oh, and snakes. Gotta have snakes.


Shouldn't your republican friends at least have some respect for the US Constitution?
 
2012-10-19 06:39:05 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: a tub full of magets


img685.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-19 08:18:40 AM  

neenerist: machoprogrammer: KSM is one bad mofo.

You're not kidding:

"Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed....including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding."


Sh*t that is a lot of pain and suffering.

I promise I would have been admitting to killing Kennedy (even though not born then), having a relations with my mother (bah I will go the whole hog ... my father) and being the Second Coming - if those were the answers they desired.

And meh on 183 - it would have only taken me one *flex*
 
2012-10-19 08:55:20 AM  

Amos Quito: daxxenos: Amos Quito: Significant details about the defendants' treatment in so-called CIA black sites have been disclosed by the government and reported in the media, including that Mohammed was subjected to 183 episodes of waterboarding.

Human rights advocates say the technique is a form of torture. US officials deny that harsh interrogations crossed the line into torture.

The defendants were also subjected to forced nudity, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation, prolonged temperature extremes, sleep deprivation, and threats made against family members, according to government documents.


Makes ya prad to be 'Merican,

Don't it?

Ask Dan Pearl or the 3000 in the WTC who didn't get out if it was justified... For that matter, It's getting easier and easier to consider ditches full of democrat bodies as acceptable.The Great Uniter has done a commendable job. Not since 1860 has this country been so close to sectarian violence.


I was about to answer you but...


Vectron: When I was a boy I was proud to be an American because I thought we were an especially moral people. I would hear about atrocities to our soldiers in various wars and believed American soldiers would never act like that. My picture of the GI was the guy handing out chocolate to kids in foreign lands. It grieves me to see law and morality ignored in the name of security.

Violence begats violence. To stop the cycle we need to leave their lands. Let's also stop immigration of their people.


...Vectron said it well.

No matter who "wins", if you've lost the moral high-ground, you've lost.


Yeap!

That about sums it up.
 
2012-10-19 09:03:11 AM  

Amos Quito: Porous Horace: Oh yeah, he also feels that the SARS epidemic in Toronto was a government-manufactured thing to test out panic situations in large populations.

I dunno, I think people like my friend waste a lot of time trying to find some great conspiracy while neglecting actual important things that are happening in reality. Things they may actually be able to do something about. Perhaps it's a form of laziness.

f.ex. Did you know that Uzbekistan is using less child labour in their cottons harvests these days (partially) due to pressure from companies like Adidas? And that adults from all over the country are being conscripted to pick cotton, even doctors to the point that some clinics and hospitals close temporarily?
He probably doesn't due to being wound up about chemtrails or something.

It's all wild stories with little fact and even less science (in cases where science is applicable).

/science!


I (for one) think that September 11 should be made a national holiday.

Perhaps "Amazing Coincidences Day", or something to that effect.


The year before this happened 'S11' was the term for anti-new-world-order (read: another term for fascism ... which for the uneducated describes a type of society where 'imaginary' citizens (corporations) have more power than 'actual' citizens (mortal).

When I watched the news about first hit, I thought I g*d no some pilot/plane screwed up ... when I saw the second hit my first thought was oh G*D no, some stupid anti-NWO group has stollen two planes and crashed them into the archetypal representation of monetary power ... then I heard that the planes where commercial with passengers and I was mind f*cked and glued to the screen for hours.
 
2012-10-19 09:04:24 AM  

clyph: We are killers descended from a long line of killers. The only species that is a real danger to H. Sapiens is H. Sapiens.Tribalism and the willingness to kill are pro-survival behaviors. However, cooperation and non-violence are also pro-survival behaviors. You need both to survive.If you're not willing to kill to protect yourself or your progeny, you're not an asset to the gene pool. People who are unwilling to kill are just as defective as those who are overly willing to kill; the only difference is that the first group are better neighbors in times of peace and abundance.


It's also a matter of target selection. Most people recognize the difference between people they have spent enough time with, and paid enough attention to, to recognize and trust, and people they don't know and can't trust, and adjust their willingness to cooperate / kill accordingly.

Sadly, it seems postmodern liberalism (aka "progressivism") thinks the "moral high ground" involves being willing to completely trust total strangers, and violent sociopaths like KSM take absurd advantage of this, through a simple process of saying literally anything the progressives want to hear while carrying out acts of terror against them. Even after this becomes obvious, the progressives see no choice but to continue aiding the sociopaths, because to do otherwise would be to not only admit that they have been helping hurt and kill other people, but to turn against literally everything they've been trained to believe about morals, ethics, and social interaction.
 
2012-10-19 09:15:50 AM  

Tatterdemalian: clyph: We are killers descended from a long line of killers. The only species that is a real danger to H. Sapiens is H. Sapiens.Tribalism and the willingness to kill are pro-survival behaviors. However, cooperation and non-violence are also pro-survival behaviors. You need both to survive.If you're not willing to kill to protect yourself or your progeny, you're not an asset to the gene pool. People who are unwilling to kill are just as defective as those who are overly willing to kill; the only difference is that the first group are better neighbors in times of peace and abundance.-

It's also a matter of target selection. Most people recognize the difference between people they have spent enough time with, and paid enough attention to, to recognize and trust, and people they don't know and can't trust, and adjust their willingness to cooperate / kill accordingly.

Sadly, it seems postmodern liberalism (aka "progressivism") thinks the "moral high ground" involves being willing to completely trust total strangers, and violent sociopaths like KSM take absurd advantage of this, through a simple process of saying literally anything the progressives want to hear while carrying out acts of terror against them. Even after this becomes obvious, the progressives see no choice but to continue aiding the sociopaths, because to do otherwise would be to not only admit that they have been helping hurt and kill other people, but to turn against literally everything they've been trained to believe about morals, ethics, and social interaction.


Maybe my biggest delusion is that I imagine my "well trained , well informed, well paid (well protected) public servants" know how to deal with a REAL issue without collateral damage (or even public embarrassment) - when you need a war to deal with TWO (so called) evil people (Hussein & OBL) I begin to worry about one of two things - either my tax dollars are being wasted on incompetent, easily manipulated, idiots or there is something more going on.

(My tin foil hat explanation for the invasion of Iraq (and murder of 100,000s of mere mortals) was because he wouldn't share the research from the ancient crashed ET craft they found, if there was any other reason I would have expected a news headline of "Died of natural courses in his sleep" ... mind you it could have been as crappy of reason as "energy security" LOL!)
 
2012-10-19 09:31:32 AM  

Langdon_777: Maybe my biggest delusion is that I imagine my "well trained , well informed, well paid (well protected) public servants" know how to deal with a REAL issue without collateral damage (or even public embarrassment) - when you need a war to deal with TWO (so called) evil people (Hussein & OBL) I begin to worry about one of two things - either my tax dollars are being wasted on incompetent, easily manipulated, idiots or t ...


Well, at least you're honest about your delusions. I could have told you that your well trained, well paid, and well protected public servants will never be able to deal with any REAL issues without collateral damage and public embarrassment, because there is no training in the world that can turn it into a Hollywood movie, where everyone knows the script beforehand and can practice their lines and choreography until everything is up to the director's standards, thus avoiding any unplanned disasters or humiliatingly bad improv performances. The real world just doesn't work like that, and all your encyclopedic knowledge of drama only means you have less than zero clue how organizational structures in real life actually works.

/of course, you can still fake it among a small circle of like-minded people
//that's what ignore lists are for
 
2012-10-19 11:01:13 AM  
Heh. It sure wasn't AQ.
 
2012-10-19 11:31:48 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Langdon_777: Maybe my biggest delusion is that I imagine my "well trained , well informed, well paid (well protected) public servants" know how to deal with a REAL issue without collateral damage (or even public embarrassment) - when you need a war to deal with TWO (so called) evil people (Hussein & OBL) I begin to worry about one of two things - either my tax dollars are being wasted on incompetent, easily manipulated, idiots or t ...

Well, at least you're honest about your delusions. I could have told you that your well trained, well paid, and well protected public servants will never be able to deal with any REAL issues without collateral damage and public embarrassment, because there is no training in the world that can turn it into a Hollywood movie, where everyone knows the script beforehand and can practice their lines and choreography until everything is up to the director's standards, thus avoiding any unplanned disasters or humiliatingly bad improv performances. The real world just doesn't work like that, and all your encyclopedic knowledge of drama only means you have less than zero clue how organizational structures in real life actually works.

/of course, you can still fake it among a small circle of like-minded people
//that's what ignore lists are for


No - I am pretty sure that the whole Bush II administration were a bunch of c*nts and EVERYTHING they put their name to is suspect.

Let the Drones have their Freedom :D
 
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