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2012-10-18 12:39:44 PM  
Doesn't the Daily Fail have more pressing stories such as various freaks and other dumb shiat?
 
2012-10-18 12:39:56 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Romney did as well as he did in Denver.


I've agreed consistently, Romney was an embarrassment in Denver too. That was the most damaging aspect for Obama, he appeared passive before such a poor debater who browbeat the debate protocol.
It's also why the second debate was so damaging to Romney. He demonstrated exactly how flummoxed, petulant, and entitled he becomes when forced onto an even field, a raw new experience for the clan. By demonstrating an ability to manage Romney's poor behavior with humor, wit and greater (if not exactly great) respect for the moderator, Obama demonstrated clearly his first debate performance wasn't a failure of character. It greatly diminished its importance.
If this perspective is close, the third is going to be fireworks. Romney's best tactic is to abide by and support the debate protocol, but it's more probable his character won't permit it and he doubles-down on the alpha CEO clown suit. If he does goes Full Romney a third time the rats will stamped the exit ramps and you and your peers will go completely bugfark on the loss.
Time to stock up on popcorn.
 
2012-10-18 12:40:40 PM  

Lurking Fear: tenpoundsofcheese strikes me as one of those poor southerners who vote republican and defend them despite logic or reason because you know, someday he'll be rich and those republican policies will finally work in his favor.


tenpoundsofcheese strikes me as one of those laid-off workers who complains about the 47% slackers whilst living off of unemployment comp and food stamps. He'd have a job if it weren't for that damn Obama.
 
2012-10-18 12:42:01 PM  
Didn't one of our resident rightwing chucklef*cks say something about blaming the moderator when you know you lost?

I thought it was the tard in this thread. They usually wait, at least, three weeks before forgetting their talking points.
 
2012-10-18 12:42:08 PM  
Hmmm. After their magic underwear hero got thrashed, you know what I'm missing?

I'm missing all that talk about Obama needing a teleprompter.

Go ahead. Throw some teleprompter love our way, you trolling farks.
 
2012-10-18 12:42:15 PM  

DubyaHater: tenpoundsofcheese: fta: CNN says: "Romney supporters are going after her on two points, no doubt because their man did not have as good a night as he had in Denver."

That is pathetic.
Romney did as well as he did in Denver. It was a consistent performance.
0bama did a heck of a lot better than he did in Denver.

Based on the debates, voters have seen two different versions of 0bama and one consistent Romney.

No one is criticizing Candy because it was a much closer debate, they criticized her because of her actions.

Why do you pay for TotalFark just to troll threads? Seems like a huge waste of money.


Gotta use it as per the agreement he signed with the Koch Brothers.
 
2012-10-18 12:42:45 PM  

riverwalk barfly: Did they count the times that Mitt was yelling in the background "Governmet doesn't create jobs! Government doesn't create jobs!" and "He promised to fix immigration in his first year! He promised to fix immigration in his first year!" (or something like that) ?


Really. I haven't heard that kind of, "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" business since I was in grade school.
 
2012-10-18 12:44:16 PM  

Graffito: Lurking Fear: tenpoundsofcheese strikes me as one of those poor southerners who vote republican and defend them despite logic or reason because you know, someday he'll be rich and those republican policies will finally work in his favor.

tenpoundsofcheese strikes me as one of those laid-off workers who complains about the 47% slackers whilst living off of unemployment comp and food stamps. He'd have a job if it weren't for that damn Obama.


Considering he has openly commented on how Fark isn't as lucrative for paid trolls as it used to be...whatever he strikes you as is a fiction that you're wasting your time creating.
 
2012-10-18 12:44:56 PM  
Pull the other one.
 
2012-10-18 12:45:30 PM  

Graffito: riverwalk barfly: Did they count the times that Mitt was yelling in the background "Governmet doesn't create jobs! Government doesn't create jobs!" and "He promised to fix immigration in his first year! He promised to fix immigration in his first year!" (or something like that) ?

Really. I haven't heard that kind of, "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" business since I was in grade school.


Best part? Mitt would then stand up and say he'd create 12 million jobs.
 
2012-10-18 12:47:01 PM  

PanicMan: BeesNuts: According to CNN's timekeeping, Obama got 44:04 minutes of speaking time, while Romney got 40:50.

Let's focus a little more on how they used their time than how much time they got.

I agree with you, but I just have to say that I don't trust CNN's ability to accurately work a stopwatch.


They consulted Twitter for updates on when the time changed.
 
2012-10-18 12:47:34 PM  

THX 1138: THX 1138: The transcript is out there. Has anyone done a word count for each candidate?

Never mind.

478 words in Romney's favor.


I think you forgot to take the audio gap into account.
 
2012-10-18 12:48:01 PM  
Considering that he is the one that brought up the President's comments in the Rose Garden and the 47% I would think that Republicans should be glad that he did not do any more damage to himself or the campaign by talking more.
 
2012-10-18 12:48:51 PM  
The man's trying to explain complicated things to Republicans.

You're lucky he didn't bring farking finger puppets.
 
2012-10-18 12:48:58 PM  

redmond24: Democrats all agreed Obama sucked the first debate. Even Obama admitted as much.

Romney loses and its the moderator's fault. Vast liberal conspiracy.

Their act is so old.


I guess you were away the week after the first debate when every third word out of an Obama supporter's mouth was "Jim Lehrer"

The 2nd debate was pretty much a wash, maybe a slight edge to Obama, but of course if you're an Obama supporter, you're going to think Obama killed him and Romney lied instead of realizing they both dance around the truth.

The moderator was out of line jumping on Romney. While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this.

If you're intellectually honest you would admit this.
 
2012-10-18 12:49:55 PM  

DaSwankOne: Considering that he is the one that brought up the President's comments in the Rose Garden and the 47% I would think that Republicans should be glad that he did not do any more damage to himself or the campaign by talking more.


I was truly disappointed when Candy interrupted him. He she did any favours for anyone, it was Romney.
 
2012-10-18 12:50:30 PM  

mrshowrules: DaSwankOne: Considering that he is the one that brought up the President's comments in the Rose Garden and the 47% I would think that Republicans should be glad that he did not do any more damage to himself or the campaign by talking more.

I was truly disappointed when Candy interrupted him. If she did any favours for anyone, it was Romney.

 
2012-10-18 12:54:14 PM  

MugzyBrown: redmond24: Democrats all agreed Obama sucked the first debate. Even Obama admitted as much.

Romney loses and its the moderator's fault. Vast liberal conspiracy.

Their act is so old.

I guess you were away the week after the first debate when every third word out of an Obama supporter's mouth was "Jim Lehrer"

The 2nd debate was pretty much a wash, maybe a slight edge to Obama, but of course if you're an Obama supporter, you're going to think Obama killed him and Romney lied instead of realizing they both dance around the truth.

The moderator was out of line jumping on Romney. While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this.

If you're intellectually honest you would admit this.


Yes, if only Mitt Romney had made some other assertion than the one he made, he might be correct. However, the assertion he made was wrong, and he got called on it on national TV.

Deal with it.
 
2012-10-18 12:54:37 PM  

MugzyBrown:
The moderator was out of line jumping on Romney. While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this.

If you're intellectually honest you would admit this.


So it is "intellectually honest" to say that acts of terror =/= terrorism? Keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-10-18 12:55:41 PM  

MugzyBrown: redmond24: Democrats all agreed Obama sucked the first debate. Even Obama admitted as much.

Romney loses and its the moderator's fault. Vast liberal conspiracy.

Their act is so old.

I guess you were away the week after the first debate when every third word out of an Obama supporter's mouth was "Jim Lehrer"


Kinda like how every third word out of a Ryan supporter's mouth was "Martha Radditz" amiright?

The 2nd debate was pretty much a wash, maybe a slight edge to Obama, but of course if you're an Obama supporter, you're going to think Obama killed him and Romney lied instead of realizing they both dance around the truth.

Wow, the Eagles season so far really has clouded your sense of reality hasn't it?

The moderator was out of line jumping on Romney. While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this.

If you're intellectually honest you would admit this.

Coming from an Eagles' fan? Really?
 
2012-10-18 12:56:26 PM  

THX 1138: THX 1138: The transcript is out there. Has anyone done a word count for each candidate?

Never mind.

478 words in Romney's favor.


So he got more done in less time. That's efficiency.

/it's shiat-quality, but it's efficiency
//does "He's great as a - as a - a - a - as a speaker" count as 11 words or 5 words?
///get Ed Hochuli for the third debate just to stand between them and call time when the two minutes are up
////excessive slashies, 5 yard penalty, loss of down
 
2012-10-18 12:57:39 PM  
www.startrek.com

There's nothing...wrong...with talking...slowly...subby...what...do you have...against...people...who do...that?
 
2012-10-18 12:58:30 PM  

BeesNuts: According to CNN's timekeeping, Obama got 44:04 minutes of speaking time, while Romney got 40:50.

Let's focus a little more on how they used their time than how much time they got.


Can't IMAGINE why the right-wing media wouldn't want to do that...
 
2012-10-18 12:59:27 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese:

No one is criticizing Candy because it was a much closer debate, they criticized her because of her actions.


These are from the day after the Benghazi attack:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/13/remarks-preside n t-campaign-event-las-vegas-nv
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/13/remarks-preside n t-golden-co

"As for the ones we lost last night: I want to assure you, we will bring their killers to justice. And we want to send a message all around the world -- anybody who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."
 
2012-10-18 12:59:28 PM  
Republicans: Perpetual whiny victims.
 
2012-10-18 01:01:43 PM  

qorkfiend: Yes, if only Mitt Romney had made some other assertion than the one he made, he might be correct. However, the assertion he made was wrong, and he got called on it on national TV.

Deal with it.


qorkfiend: Yes, if only Mitt Romney had made some other assertion than the one he made, he might be correct. However, the assertion he made was wrong, and he got called on it on national TV.


Ed Zachary:

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I - I certainly do. I certainly do. I - I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.

MR. ROMNEY: I - I - I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript.

MS. CROWLEY: It - he did in fact, sir.

(crosstalk)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.)

MS. CROWLEY: He did call it an act of terror.
 
2012-10-18 01:02:33 PM  

MugzyBrown: I guess you were away the week after the first debate when every third word out of an Obama supporter's mouth was "Jim Lehrer"


Lehrer pretty objectively did a shiatty job, though, and I don't recall anybody blaming Obama's poor showing on Lehrer. Nobody said Lehrer was biased, just that he let the candidates steamroll him repeatedly.
 
2012-10-18 01:02:40 PM  

MugzyBrown: The 2nd debate was pretty much a wash, maybe a slight edge to Obama, but of course if you're an Obama supporter, you're going to think Obama killed him and Romney lied instead of realizing they both dance around the truth.


As someone who is not an Obama supporter (because I'm not American), I would say it wasn't so much a wash, and instead it was more of a...

well, did you see the movie 2012?
 
2012-10-18 01:03:27 PM  

THX 1138: The transcript is out there. Has anyone done a word count for each candidate?


I would but everywhere that has a transcript right now is a god awful hell hole of scripts. WTF ABC. I shouldn't haven't to farking scroll through my noscript options. To read. A transcript.

And I shouldn't have to give you 11 farking click throughs for the privilege. I'm a big boy. I'm not intimidated by a lot of words on one page.
 
2012-10-18 01:03:54 PM  
Obama talked more because Romney was too stupid to learn about the debate format and kept whining that he wasn't allowed to have the last word a "fair" amount of the time while the moderator told him multiple time that that is not how this format works.
 
2012-10-18 01:04:38 PM  

BeesNuts: THX 1138: The transcript is out there. Has anyone done a word count for each candidate?

I would but everywhere that has a transcript right now is a god awful hell hole of scripts. WTF ABC. I shouldn't haven't to farking scroll through my noscript options. To read. A transcript.

And I shouldn't have to give you 11 farking click throughs for the privilege. I'm a big boy. I'm not intimidated by a lot of words on one page.


The NY Times one is what I go to.
 
2012-10-18 01:05:11 PM  

MugzyBrown: While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation


Speaking of miles, how far are you planning to move those goalposts?

Romney was trying to suggest the President refused to characterize the Benghazi attack as an act of terror. The transcript proved in both literal content and in intent that Romney was wrong.
 
2012-10-18 01:05:14 PM  

CPennypacker: Liars talk fast. This is news?


depends on if they're getting exposed

i've known some habitual sociopathic liars, they always talked slowly and joked a lot, if there was on consistent thing about them it was their desire to not talk about anything in great depth or else their confidence starts to shrink fast

sorta like most politicians
 
2012-10-18 01:05:38 PM  
firstreason.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-18 01:07:15 PM  

BeesNuts: THX 1138: The transcript is out there. Has anyone done a word count for each candidate?

I would but everywhere that has a transcript right now is a god awful hell hole of scripts. WTF ABC. I shouldn't haven't to farking scroll through my noscript options. To read. A transcript.

And I shouldn't have to give you 11 farking click throughs for the privilege. I'm a big boy. I'm not intimidated by a lot of words on one page.


Yes...so...script laden...

Or not.
 
2012-10-18 01:08:34 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: PanicMan: BeesNuts: According to CNN's timekeeping, Obama got 44:04 minutes of speaking time, while Romney got 40:50.

Let's focus a little more on how they used their time than how much time they got.

I agree with you, but I just have to say that I don't trust CNN's ability to accurately work a stopwatch.

They consulted Twitter for updates on when the time changed.


How'd the count crosstalk? As a side-note.

Still don't care about the amount of time spent talking so much as what was said... welcome to the club. We are apparently Bad Americans (tm) because we don't navel-gaze about the debates and instead prefer to focus on the messages and ideas presented by the candidates in that or any other format.

Internet High Five.
 
2012-10-18 01:09:43 PM  

MugzyBrown: While Obama said "acts of terror" in his speech, he was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this.


Then that's what Romney should have said. He had a clear opening here and he chose to lie and be made to look foolish.

If he had said that Obama "was miles from stating the attack was an organized operation, and the administration's public stance for the first week after the attack mirrored this", the moderator would have said nothing. Instead, he said that Obama never called it an act of terror when everyone with an internet connection can readily pull up a video of Obama saying that it was act of terror.

He could answered well, or he could have lied. He chose to lie. He just couldn't help himself.
 
2012-10-18 01:11:30 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Speaking of miles, how far are you planning to move those goalposts?


That Red Bull guy jumped off of a set of Repuglican goalposts, if that's any clue.
 
2012-10-18 01:11:38 PM  

davideggy: Obama talked more because Romney was too stupid to learn about the debate format and kept whining that he wasn't allowed to have the last word a "fair" amount of the time while the moderator told him multiple time that that is not how this format works.


Plus he wasted time by forcing Obama to talk to him during his time segments.
 
2012-10-18 01:11:56 PM  

sprawl15: BeesNuts: THX 1138: The transcript is out there. Has anyone done a word count for each candidate?

I would but everywhere that has a transcript right now is a god awful hell hole of scripts. WTF ABC. I shouldn't haven't to farking scroll through my noscript options. To read. A transcript.

And I shouldn't have to give you 11 farking click throughs for the privilege. I'm a big boy. I'm not intimidated by a lot of words on one page.

The NY Times one is what I go to.


This one is completely adequate. Enable NYTimes.com. Transcript appears, formatted well, in its entirety. Well played, and thanks.

As for Mr. LMGTFY, kindly slam your dick in a door.
 
2012-10-18 01:14:44 PM  
A Long Island crowd, so he had to speak slowly. He should have stuck to mono-syllabic words for them, too.
 
2012-10-18 01:15:16 PM  

Mercutio74: To be fair, Obama also had content, Mitt had platitudes.


I would love to see Obama plan on raising 1 million manufacturing jobs. Obama spends more time talking about Romney's plans than he does his own. In fact Obama has laid out no plan of what he will do the 2nd term.
 
2012-10-18 01:18:36 PM  

MyRandomName: Mercutio74: To be fair, Obama also had content, Mitt had platitudes.

I would love to see Obama plan on raising 1 million manufacturing jobs. Obama spends more time talking about Romney's plans than he does his own. In fact Obama has laid out no plan of what he will do the 2nd term.


PDF warning.
 
2012-10-18 01:18:57 PM  
Before we get all conspiracy-minded, could it perhaps be because there were occasions where a candidate did not use his full allotment of 2-minutes?

The rules dictate both candidates speak for a maximum of 2 minutes for each question. So in the end, they should have the same number of talking opportunities, but not necessarily the same amount of time

Granted, I don't recall either windbag going for less than their allotted time, and there is no farking way in hell I will watch any debate ever again.
 
2012-10-18 01:19:35 PM  
So in what bizarre world is Romney consistent and Obama the quantum bit?

Oh right, tenpoundsofderp's world.
 
2012-10-18 01:20:08 PM  

bv2112: Granted, I don't recall either windbag going for less than their allotted time, and there is no farking way in hell I will watch* any debate ever again.


*rewatch
 
2012-10-18 01:21:09 PM  

sprawl15: MyRandomName: Mercutio74: To be fair, Obama also had content, Mitt had platitudes.

I would love to see Obama plan on raising 1 million manufacturing jobs. Obama spends more time talking about Romney's plans than he does his own. In fact Obama has laid out no plan of what he will do the 2nd term.

PDF warning.


Gah, threw away the first link. Apparently, those quotation marks are important.

Not a PDF.
 
2012-10-18 01:23:03 PM  

bv2112: Before we get all conspiracy-minded, could it perhaps be because there were occasions where a candidate did not use his full allotment of 2-minutes?


Uhh, I mostly saw them use the 2 - minute timer running out as the indication that they should maybe start thinking about how they might possibly eventually finish out their answer.
 
2012-10-18 01:23:26 PM  
Obama speaks slower because standard English is not his first language.
 
2012-10-18 01:24:42 PM  

Aarontology: Republicans: Perpetual whiny victims.


Thanks to them and the right wingers in this thread, it gets harder and harder for me to have any respect for anyone with an R after their name.
 
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