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(Talking Points Memo)   Note to Romney camp: When you cite economists as support for your 12 million jobs plan, first make sure said economists don't think your plan is bull crap and unicorn farts   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 86
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2012-10-18 08:20:36 AM  
romney? lying? is it a day that ends in "Y" already?
 
2012-10-18 08:28:01 AM  
This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.
 
2012-10-18 08:42:46 AM  

Mugato: This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.


Well, you see, the other choice (and stay with me here), I have it on good authority that he is at least partially.... well, black.

So...the choice is obvious, not sure why they have to even go through with the election. All for show I guess.
 
2012-10-18 09:27:23 AM  
Sadly this will not make one bit of difference. It should but it won't.
 
2012-10-18 09:29:13 AM  
Everyone knows economic theory has a liberal bias
 
2012-10-18 09:30:13 AM  
Subby, economists work for universities. And it's an indisputable fact that universities have been completely overrun by the liberal establishment. You hear stories every day about students being persecuted for their conservative beliefs, threatened with low grades and humiliated in front of their classmates for the courage of their convictions. So does it surprise you that a cabal of economists, realizing that their work was actually turning out to support the conservative presidential candidate, would suddenly change their views? They were probably confronted in a most brutal, thuggish manner by their so-called "peers," threatened with excommunication from the Holy Shrine of Higher Learning if they did not change their tune. There may have even be threats of violence, who knows? I have only to point out the vast conspiracy that underpins the "global warming" fiction, revealed only when whistleblowers exposed the mountain of secret, conspiratorial emails between "climate experts" all collaborating with one another, to prove that this sort of back-room manipulation of "facts" and "reality" takes place on an almost daily basis. Sadly, there was a day that you could once trust scientists to act in the interests of us all. Now, they serve a greater master. You must treat everything they say with skepticism.
 
2012-10-18 09:30:26 AM  
It's kind of amazing how much Romney reminds me of a high schooler running for Class President.
 
2012-10-18 09:31:02 AM  

Mugato: This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.


Because gosh darn it, Mitt sure looks presidental.
 
2012-10-18 09:34:28 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, economists work for universities. And it's an indisputable fact that universities have been completely overrun by the liberal establishment. You hear stories every day about students being persecuted for their conservative beliefs, threatened with low grades and humiliated in front of their classmates for the courage of their convictions. So does it surprise you that a cabal of economists, realizing that their work was actually turning out to support the conservative presidential candidate, would suddenly change their views? They were probably confronted in a most brutal, thuggish manner by their so-called "peers," threatened with excommunication from the Holy Shrine of Higher Learning if they did not change their tune. There may have even be threats of violence, who knows? I have only to point out the vast conspiracy that underpins the "global warming" fiction, revealed only when whistleblowers exposed the mountain of secret, conspiratorial emails between "climate experts" all collaborating with one another, to prove that this sort of back-room manipulation of "facts" and "reality" takes place on an almost daily basis. Sadly, there was a day that you could once trust scientists to act in the interests of us all. Now, they serve a greater master. You must treat everything they say with skepticism.


Have you ever actually had to pay for TF?
 
2012-10-18 09:36:15 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, economists work for universities...


I think you've stared too long at the abyss, my friend. The abyss is beginning to stare back at you.
 
2012-10-18 09:36:34 AM  

Mugato: This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.


Romney is the richest man to ever run for president and his central campaign plank is to give him even more money. And he may very well win on election day.

Destroys any faith you have in democracy, doesn't it?
 
2012-10-18 09:37:07 AM  
...the Romney campaign cited three separate studies that, taken together, include numbers that add up to 12 million jobs created. But as Kessler found, the studies employ different time frames, and two of them have no bearing on Romney's policies.

How is this race even close?

Oh, that's right. 95% of the people who are gonna vote will not be aware of any of this.

Silly me. I forgot for a second. S'early.
 
2012-10-18 09:37:50 AM  

CPennypacker: Pocket Ninja:

Have you ever actually had to pay for TF?


Would you risk losing him if he had to?
 
2012-10-18 09:39:20 AM  

Mugato: This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.


the media wants it close.
 
2012-10-18 09:39:39 AM  
Romney: My jobs plan has been praised by the eminent scholar, Dr. Charles Burkingham... shire... ston.
Media: Dr. Burkinghamshireston, is this claim true?
Romney: Goddammit.
 
2012-10-18 09:42:35 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, economists work for universities. And it's an indisputable fact that universities have been completely overrun by the liberal establishment. You hear stories every day about students being persecuted for their conservative beliefs, threatened with low grades and humiliated in front of their classmates for the courage of their convictions. So does it surprise you that a cabal of economists, realizing that their work was actually turning out to support the conservative presidential candidate, would suddenly change their views? They were probably confronted in a most brutal, thuggish manner by their so-called "peers," threatened with excommunication from the Holy Shrine of Higher Learning if they did not change their tune. There may have even be threats of violence, who knows? I have only to point out the vast conspiracy that underpins the "global warming" fiction, revealed only when whistleblowers exposed the mountain of secret, conspiratorial emails between "climate experts" all collaborating with one another, to prove that this sort of back-room manipulation of "facts" and "reality" takes place on an almost daily basis. Sadly, there was a day that you could once trust scientists to act in the interests of us all. Now, they serve a greater master. You must treat everything they say with skepticism.


Why is the room spinning?

*THUD*
 
JFC
2012-10-18 09:43:46 AM  
Gosh, these are just more people Tagg will have to punch.
 
2012-10-18 09:44:01 AM  
Romney's proposed government that doesn't create jobs is going to create 12 million jobs and Obama promised his government would create jobs hasn't created jobs and you tell me who the liar is.
 
2012-10-18 09:44:32 AM  

Mugato: This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.


Romney is a great candidate. He satisfies everyone. Pick your favorite issue and a position. Romney has taken that position on that issue. True for all people, all issues, all positions. He has said he will do what you want.
 
2012-10-18 09:44:34 AM  
Romney lied? Well get my fainting couch, I do believe I have the vapors.
 
2012-10-18 09:45:25 AM  

Mugato: This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.


Because the media has a vested interest in keeping it close. If they actually reported on the lies as lies and didn't try to spin things for the sake of "balance" it wouldn't be close.
 
JFC
2012-10-18 09:45:29 AM  
In fact, there's a lot of "Romney lies" bashing going on.
Tagg might have to outsource some of these punching tasks.
 
2012-10-18 09:46:18 AM  
Economists...right. They are a group who really knows what they are talking about. Based on the economy of the past 14 years, I suspect economists may be the only ones stupid than politicians....may be.
 
2012-10-18 09:46:43 AM  
I really hope he doesn't win. Not because he'll destroy the country as much? The amount of damage that can feasibly do is limited. But, because it will embolden the neocons and provide proof that you can lie through your teeth about literally every single subject and still win.

No matter how well paid and/or dedicated our trolls are, they cannot mount a credible argument that Obama lies even half, even a tenth as much as Romney. And Romney is being largely rewarded for it.

Though I do wonder how close it would actually be if Obama were white.
 
2012-10-18 09:47:19 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Subby, economists work for universities. And it's an indisputable fact that universities have been completely overrun by the liberal establishment. You hear stories every day about students being persecuted for their conservative beliefs, threatened with low grades and humiliated in front of their classmates for the courage of their convictions. So does it surprise you that a cabal of economists, realizing that their work was actually turning out to support the conservative presidential candidate, would suddenly change their views? They were probably confronted in a most brutal, thuggish manner by their so-called "peers," threatened with excommunication from the Holy Shrine of Higher Learning if they did not change their tune. There may have even be threats of violence, who knows? I have only to point out the vast conspiracy that underpins the "global warming" fiction, revealed only when whistleblowers exposed the mountain of secret, conspiratorial emails between "climate experts" all collaborating with one another, to prove that this sort of back-room manipulation of "facts" and "reality" takes place on an almost daily basis. Sadly, there was a day that you could once trust scientists to act in the interests of us all. Now, they serve a greater master. You must treat everything they say with skepticism.



It's because knowledge and facts have a liberal bias.
 
2012-10-18 09:50:44 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-18 09:51:07 AM  
What the fark does Romney and his merry band of plutocrats care about "facts'?

The dipshiats, who aren't millionaires and still planning on voting for him, have demonstrated they don't care about things like facts and math. As long as Romney sounds "presidential" while lying his ass off and saying whatever these simpletons want to hear, they'll vote for him.
 
2012-10-18 09:51:31 AM  

Proteios1: Economists...right. They are a group who really knows what they are talking about. Based on the economy of the past 14 years, I suspect economists may be the only ones stupid than politicians....may be.


derp?
 
2012-10-18 09:52:16 AM  

Proteios1: Based on the economy of the past 14 years, I suspect economists may be the only ones stupid than politicians....may be.


Except Romney, who defers to them for support but can't seem to do even that right.
 
2012-10-18 09:52:22 AM  

JFC: In fact, there's a lot of "Romney lies" bashing going on.
Tagg might have to outsource some of these punching tasks.


With a Reagan Economic Zone, it will not be Chinamen who will come pee on your rug, but rather a multinational conglomerate of free-market principled Asians.
 
2012-10-18 09:52:58 AM  
Ron Paul?
 
2012-10-18 09:57:13 AM  

CPennypacker: Everyone knows economic theory has a liberal bias


Mainstream economic theory does have a liberal bias though, in the sense that it does say that based on the observable data countercyclical fiscal and monetary policy leads to a more stable business cycle whereas more expansionary policy in good years with austerity in lean years leads to a more severe boom/bust pattern.

That's why they've given up on Keynesian, Monetarist, and even New Classical models: all concede that if you want to create jobs in the short term increasing the deficit (through spending increases or tax cuts) work. Sure, some of these models question whether there is a long term benefit to such behavior, but if you say "elect me to get the economy moving again by cutting the large deficit which is to blame for the high unemployment rate" you are saying something all the data says is false.

That's why they've decided to embrace the Austrian School, a non-mainstream economic view that claims you can't judge whether a policy works or not by data since there is no such thing as a closed system and shouldn't make theories to match the information we find out. Instead they take an Aristotilian view that you should come up with a theory of how the economy works, find those datapoints that support your position, and toss any that don't since they obviously are the result of an exogenous force you can't explain.
 
2012-10-18 09:59:12 AM  

snowshovel: Romney's proposed government that doesn't create jobs is going to create 12 million jobs and Obama promised his government would create jobs hasn't created jobs and you tell me who the liar is.


jobs have been created under obama.
 
2012-10-18 09:59:18 AM  

Grungehamster: That's why they've decided to embrace the Austrian School, a non-mainstream economic view that claims you can't judge whether a policy works or not by data since there is no such thing as a closed system and shouldn't make theories to match the information we find out. Instead they take an Aristotilian view that you should come up with a theory of how the economy works, find those datapoints that support your position, and toss any that don't since they obviously are the result of an exogenous force you can't explain.


Both of those sound a lot less like Economics and a lot more like religion.
 
JFC
2012-10-18 09:59:24 AM  

Grungehamster: CPennypacker: Everyone knows economic theory has a liberal bias

Mainstream economic theory does have a liberal bias though, in the sense that it does say that based on the observable data countercyclical fiscal and monetary policy leads to a more stable business cycle whereas more expansionary policy in good years with austerity in lean years leads to a more severe boom/bust pattern.

That's why they've given up on Keynesian, Monetarist, and even New Classical models: all concede that if you want to create jobs in the short term increasing the deficit (through spending increases or tax cuts) work. Sure, some of these models question whether there is a long term benefit to such behavior, but if you say "elect me to get the economy moving again by cutting the large deficit which is to blame for the high unemployment rate" you are saying something all the data says is false.

That's why they've decided to embrace the Austrian School, a non-mainstream economic view that claims you can't judge whether a policy works or not by data since there is no such thing as a closed system and shouldn't make theories to match the information we find out. Instead they take an Aristotilian view that you should come up with a theory of how the economy works, find those datapoints that support your position, and toss any that don't since they obviously are the result of an exogenous force you can't explain.


You lost me at "since they obviously are the result of an exogenous force you can't explain."
 
2012-10-18 09:59:49 AM  
If the government doesn't "create jobs" and Romney is elected to a position in government how then, is he going to create jobs? I am so confused by his position.
 
2012-10-18 10:02:25 AM  
Posted on Facebook about some of his lies and what he did in Massachusetts as Governor. A female FB friend, who lives in MA, said "don't care, love Mitt Romney." WTF? You don't care how he porked you as Governor?
 
2012-10-18 10:03:10 AM  

FarkedOver: If the government doesn't "create jobs" and Romney is elected to a position in government how then, is he going to create jobs? I am so confused by his position.


Romney is going to create jobs by getting government off of our back. Personally, I have been unable to hold a job because I have had an Alderman growing out of my right shoulder blade since January 2009. I can't imagine how debilitating it must be for someone with a state-wide office holder or greater.
 
2012-10-18 10:04:25 AM  

Grungehamster: CPennypacker: Everyone knows economic theory has a liberal bias

Mainstream economic theory does have a liberal bias though, in the sense that it does say that based on the observable data countercyclical fiscal and monetary policy leads to a more stable business cycle whereas more expansionary policy in good years with austerity in lean years leads to a more severe boom/bust pattern.

That's why they've given up on Keynesian, Monetarist, and even New Classical models: all concede that if you want to create jobs in the short term increasing the deficit (through spending increases or tax cuts) work. Sure, some of these models question whether there is a long term benefit to such behavior, but if you say "elect me to get the economy moving again by cutting the large deficit which is to blame for the high unemployment rate" you are saying something all the data says is false.

That's why they've decided to embrace the Austrian School, a non-mainstream economic view that claims you can't judge whether a policy works or not by data since there is no such thing as a closed system and shouldn't make theories to match the information we find out. Instead they take an Aristotilian view that you should come up with a theory of how the economy works, find those datapoints that support your position, and toss any that don't since they obviously are the result of an exogenous force you can't explain.


Just because it aligns more with democratic ideaology and Republicans reject it doesn't mena it has a liberal bias. Evolution doesn't have a liberal bias.
 
2012-10-18 10:06:28 AM  

x-caliber: Posted on Facebook about some of his lies and what he did in Massachusetts as Governor. A female FB friend, who lives in MA, said "don't care, love Mitt Romney." WTF? You don't care how he porked you as Governor?


psssst. he's white.
 
2012-10-18 10:07:00 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Mugato: This guy is just constant daily fail. And yet the race is still close. Unbelievable.

Romney is the richest man to ever run for president and his central campaign plank is to give him even more money. And he may very well win on election day.

Destroys any faith you have in democracy, doesn't it?


I'm pretty sure Ross Perot's multi-billion dollar fortune casts a father large shaddow over Mitt's mere ~$200 million.
 
2012-10-18 10:09:04 AM  

snowshovel: Romney's proposed government that doesn't create jobs is going to create 12 million jobs and Obama promised his government would create jobs hasn't created jobs and you tell me who the liar is.


My head hurts... are you really trying to say that because Romney says "government doesn't create jobs" during the debate that means he isn't running ads promising that if elected he will add 12 million more jobs in 4 years? And to prove that he points to studies that say "under current assumptions assuming all other things stay equal we can expect 12 million jobs to be added in 4 years"? Then to be more exact he points to a study saying he will only add 7 million, and he adds in a study saying that intellectual property theft costs 2 million jobs (how will he eliminate bootleg copies of goods? Calling China a currency manipulator apparently will stop it.) and a study saying we can expect 3 million new green jobs by the end of the decade due to current policy (including bills Romney has promised to repeal.)
 
2012-10-18 10:10:21 AM  

x-caliber: Posted on Facebook about some of his lies and what he did in Massachusetts as Governor. A female FB friend, who lives in MA, said "don't care, love Mitt Romney." WTF? You don't care how he porked you as Governor?


Some women like a rough porking that leaves them devastated afterwards, their partner silently leaving as they float off to sleep. *shrug*

// think of it as an "economic rape fantasy"
 
2012-10-18 10:10:51 AM  

FlashHarry: jobs have been created under obama.


Not enough to offset the jobs Obama lost in 2008.
 
2012-10-18 10:10:55 AM  

Skleenar: FarkedOver: If the government doesn't "create jobs" and Romney is elected to a position in government how then, is he going to create jobs? I am so confused by his position.

Romney is going to create jobs by getting government off of our back. Personally, I have been unable to hold a job because I have had an Alderman growing out of my right shoulder blade since January 2009. I can't imagine how debilitating it must be for someone with a state-wide office holder or greater.


I had a benign committee removed last August.
 
2012-10-18 10:14:44 AM  

neenerist: FlashHarry: jobs have been created under obama.

Not enough to offset the jobs Obama lost in 2008.


hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2012-10-18 10:14:53 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-18 10:16:28 AM  

FarkedOver: If the government doesn't "create jobs" and Romney is elected to a position in government how then, is he going to create jobs? I am so confused by his position.


The old joke about how Republicans run on Government not being able to do anything and they get elected and prove it.
 
2012-10-18 10:22:42 AM  

quatchi: Oh, that's right. 95% of the people who are gonna vote will not be aware of any of this.


Not only that, but they are aware of hundreds of things about Obama that are not, believe it or not, actually true.
 
2012-10-18 10:22:58 AM  

Elandriel:
I really hope he doesn't win. Not because he'll destroy the country as much? The amount of damage that can feasibly do is limited. But, because it will embolden the neocons and provide proof that you can lie through your teeth about literally every single subject and still win.


THIS THIS THIS

Elandriel: No matter how well paid and/or dedicated our trolls are, they cannot mount a credible argument that Obama lies even half, even a tenth as much as Romney. And Romney is being largely rewarded for it.

Your previous statement reduces this part to insignificance.
 
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