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(Channel 955)   Americans are shocked that U.S. violent crime rates are up 17% - "That's really not as bad as it seems," says everyone living in Juárez and Detroit   (channel955.com ) divider line 216
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2012-10-18 08:48:50 AM  
FTA: The study notes the percentage increases seem large because overall crime rates are at near-historic lows, so even a slight increase in the actual number of incidents produces a large percentage increase.

Hmmm. I know the solution! We need to put more people in prison.
 
2012-10-18 10:07:16 AM  
I'm surprised it took this long to show up after 2007. I'm actually quite impressed with how we've handled this whole thing by extending unemployment and seeing more people on govt. assistance. Without those two things, I think it is safe to say that these numbers would have gone up much higher and much more quickly.

I'm sure you could probably also find some correlation with the high incarceration rate we have, but I'm not as positive about that one.

Perhaps a combination of the two? Either way, considering the economic upheaval we've gone through, we're doing quite well. Just ask anyone who lived in NYC (Or, any city really) during the early 80's how great things were after surviving the economic destruction of the late 70's.
 
2012-10-18 10:17:52 AM  
That headline is just full of fail. Not only is there a misspelling, a Mexican city gets shifted over the border.
 
2012-10-18 10:18:42 AM  

soakitincider: the lack of industry in the united states contributes to the crime rate


Wait until the Boomers die, and the population trends younger again. The fun is just beginning.
 
2012-10-18 10:19:33 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

hope and change.
 
2012-10-18 10:19:48 AM  
From 4M assaults to 5M. Just a slight uptick.
 
2012-10-18 10:20:10 AM  
Voilent crimes? Like forcibly veiling making someone wear a burka?
 
2012-10-18 10:20:22 AM  
Voilence should indeed be avioded at any cost.
 
2012-10-18 10:21:12 AM  
FTFA The study notes the percentage increases seem large because overall crime rates are at near-historic lows, so even a slight increase in the actual number of incidents produces a large percentage increase.

Sensationalist fark headline is sensationalist.

/in other words a typical fark Thursday
 
2012-10-18 10:21:39 AM  
This is not an increase that needs to be worried about by anyone except the OMFG!! media.
 
2012-10-18 10:23:02 AM  
Is voilent crime worse than voilent green?
 
2012-10-18 10:23:26 AM  

OnlyM3: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x400]

hope and change.


Old and lame.

1/10
 
2012-10-18 10:24:10 AM  

JackieRabbit: This is not an increase that needs to be worried about by anyone except the OMFG!! media.


I wouldn't be so sure of that there are already several posts in this thread trying really hard to make this a big deal.
 
2012-10-18 10:24:37 AM  
Obama's America
 
2012-10-18 10:24:40 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I'm surprised it took this long to show up after 2007. I'm actually quite impressed with how we've handled this whole thing by extending unemployment and seeing more people on govt. assistance. Without those two things, I think it is safe to say that these numbers would have gone up much higher and much more quickly.

I'm sure you could probably also find some correlation with the high incarceration rate we have, but I'm not as positive about that one.

Perhaps a combination of the two? Either way, considering the economic upheaval we've gone through, we're doing quite well. Just ask anyone who lived in NYC (Or, any city really) during the early 80's how great things were after surviving the economic destruction of the late 70's.


The early 80s economy was worse than the late 70s, so it's not a matter of "following a few years later." When the unemployment rate is highest is generally when crime is going to be worse.

So that makes this year's case odd, but unemployment benefits running out -- or the general poor economy lasting so long--is probably the reason.
 
2012-10-18 10:24:54 AM  
Really? I'm not shocked at all. The sleepy little town I grew up in just had it's 17th homicide this year.
 
2012-10-18 10:25:39 AM  
Did they start counting incidents of police brutality or something?
 
2012-10-18 10:27:26 AM  
voilent crime is people
 
2012-10-18 10:27:59 AM  
CAMDEN!
 
2012-10-18 10:28:59 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: voilent crime is people


Heh.
 
2012-10-18 10:29:20 AM  
It would have been nice for the article to provide some context.

For example, are we back to 2005? 2000? 1995? in terms of violent crime rate. Since it's been dropping for decades, it would be nice to see how far we regressed with a 17% increase.

I'd guess it was only a handful of years' worth of decline that was reversed, but again, need some perspective in the story. It's not enough to just add "it seems like a big percentage increase because it was so low." That's only a satisfying explanation when there were 2 murders and now there are 3, to explain a 50% rise. I assume the numbers we're dealing with here are larger.
 
2012-10-18 10:29:59 AM  

Cythraul: Hmmm. I know the solution! We need to put more people in prison.


It's been working, so why not?
 
2012-10-18 10:31:23 AM  
Voilet croime is up? Croikey!
 
2012-10-18 10:32:14 AM  
Did you know that the average career criminal, thug, street hood makes about as much over the course of their career as a dishwasher at Denny's does in about 5 years?

Did you know that crime creates poverty and creates about half of the very sh*thole that criminals are trying to climb out of with their ill gotten gains?

Or that the top 1% hoarding most of the wealth and liquid capital creates the other half?

Jubilee. Cancel all debt. Re-distribute huge chunks of wealth amongst the working and middle class. (Yeah, the wealthy ARE in favor of wealth redistribution, just in the other direction.) Start the whole game over, let small businesses thrive. Give it 20 years and we're all eating well and farting through silk. But of course, that would be COMMIE SOSHLISIM and the pigf*cking rich might have to actually do something useful to live indoors and eat. Like some commoner. The American dream is based upon endless growth. This is in direct opposition to several laws of physics. So don't forget to vote early and vote often for the least bad ideas that propose to just keep chugging towards that precipice. And remember to grab whatever you can, when you can. It's the American way.
 
2012-10-18 10:32:50 AM  
Well, you take a destroyed economy, add two cups of bailouts to the bankers but not the hoi polloi , add in a dash of the second amendment, and voilent!, crime soars!
 
2012-10-18 10:32:54 AM  
There has always been a direct correlation between increasing food prices and increased violence and civil unrest.

What you are seeing is primarily the result of inflation combined with lowering wages, particularly for unskilled labor.
 
2012-10-18 10:33:12 AM  

Christian Bale: The early 80s economy was worse than the late 70s, so it's not a matter of "following a few years later." When the unemployment rate is highest is generally when crime is going to be worse.

So that makes this year's case odd, but unemployment benefits running out -- or the general poor economy lasting so long--is probably the reason.



Good points. I was so young back then (Born in 78..) So, it's mostly just memory from parent's stories, kind of remembering the homicide rates from WPIX and NY News being wicked high. Like 1,000 homicides. Nothing near what we have these days.

Once those massive numbers of layoffs started being announced in 2007-8-9 I was just waiting for the uptick, and so were a lot of other people. I'm pretty sure you can attribute quite a bit of the gun sales increase to expectation of higher crime rates following such an economic hit.

Overall, I'm pretty amazed at where we are right now. All things considered.
 
2012-10-18 10:33:25 AM  
At least some 'merikuns are going out and finally getting some exercise (via beating up others).
The glass is half full, people.
 
2012-10-18 10:33:27 AM  
Voilent crime = repeatedly yelling "Voila!" for no discernible reason
 
2012-10-18 10:33:42 AM  
It's an aside, but during the debates over the Arizona hullabaloos (from "Sheriff Joe" and others) about illegal immigration resulting in rampant violent crime, I looked into these same stats.

Conclusion: Phoenix, Arizona is actually safer than Cleveland, Ohio. And has been much longer than "Sheriff Joe" has been around, so it ain't his Brand of Justice™.

Pick one or more of the following jokes:

1.) Must be those Mexicans.
2.) Mexicans know gun control.
3.) Migrant workers pick their battles as well as they do our lettuce.
 
2012-10-18 10:35:44 AM  
As people are pointing out, the ultra-low crime rate for the last several years causes the 17% increase to appear quite severe. To put it in perspective, say you were driving your car 20 MPH, a nice safe speed. You then accelerated 17% and were then travelling at 23.4 MPH. Not a big deal right? Still a safe enough speed to do some texting or find a new station on the radio.

The problem isn't the increase, it's the rate of increase. The homicide rate has accelerated to that 17% faster than at any point in the United State's long criminal history. If you go from 20 to 24 MPH in a nanosecond, the whiplash is going to pop your farking head off your shoulders.

From the street level, I'll tell you this: the crimes that my investigation team and I are seeing are far and away worse in severity than violent crimes even five years ago. This morning I was looking over a case in which a young mother was trying to put a hungry baby down to bed in his crib. The poor kid, not having eaten in over a day, kept standing up and crying. She finally got so frustrated that the next time he stood up, she jabbed a knitting needle through his eye, driving it into his brain. He was still alive when she buried him in the crawl space. And that's just the first case file in a stack of hundreds that I've got to sort through this monring. And believe me, that's not even a tenth as graphic as most of them.

People that have never been hungry, never been unemployed, never really been without comfort, people like you and me, are now finding themselves so far down roads of unemployment, dirt scratched roads surrounded by flooded wasteland, that their true natures - violent and impulsive natures - are finally coming out, producing actions from them they never would've considered five years ago. They're different people now.

I don't know if the economy is going to get better or worse or what, though I don't think the election's outcome is going to have squat to do with it; however, we're on the edge of not just a fiscal cliff, but the crumbling edge of civilization as we know it. The next five years will define our species at this modern point in time.

My advice as a long time cop - buy a gun, a big one.
 
2012-10-18 10:35:57 AM  
Clearly this is Obama's fault. But if the crime rate had gone down, that would have been because of Jesus.
 
2012-10-18 10:36:18 AM  

Christian Bale: NewportBarGuy: I'm surprised it took this long to show up after 2007. I'm actually quite impressed with how we've handled this whole thing by extending unemployment and seeing more people on govt. assistance. Without those two things, I think it is safe to say that these numbers would have gone up much higher and much more quickly.

I'm sure you could probably also find some correlation with the high incarceration rate we have, but I'm not as positive about that one.

Perhaps a combination of the two? Either way, considering the economic upheaval we've gone through, we're doing quite well. Just ask anyone who lived in NYC (Or, any city really) during the early 80's how great things were after surviving the economic destruction of the late 70's.

The early 80s economy was worse than the late 70s, so it's not a matter of "following a few years later." When the unemployment rate is highest is generally when crime is going to be worse.

So that makes this year's case odd, but unemployment benefits running out -- or the general poor economy lasting so long--is probably the reason.


About that...
 
2012-10-18 10:37:46 AM  
increased restriction on abortions?
 
2012-10-18 10:38:29 AM  

soakitincider: the lack of industry in the united states contributes to the crime rate


And demographics:

yanziyang.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-18 10:39:12 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Clearly this is Obama's fault. But if the crime rate had gone down, that would have been because of Jesus.


Is this an election season? I can't tell from the batshiat retarded comments.
 
2012-10-18 10:39:40 AM  

Christian Bale: It would have been nice for the article to provide some context. For example, are we back to 2005? 2000? 1995? in terms of violent crime rate. Since it's been dropping for decades, it would be nice to see how far we regressed with a 17% increase.
I'd guess it was only a handful of years' worth of decline that was reversed, but again, need some perspective in the story.


1991 was the turning point. Google "FBI Violent Crime Statistics". Police agencies are required to report the "big picture" stats like that to the government. They're broken down geographically.
 
2012-10-18 10:42:12 AM  
Detroit is no Flint, you are looking for violence, you need to skip Detroit and head north about an hour.
 
2012-10-18 10:43:45 AM  
I had no idea there were statistics regarding Violins...
 
2012-10-18 10:44:01 AM  
How does this correlate to abortion rates 16-18 years ago?

/freak
 
2012-10-18 10:44:05 AM  
Well, fark. There goes one of the few pieces of good news in the country.
 
2012-10-18 10:44:29 AM  

danceswithwombats: It's an aside, but during the debates over the Arizona hullabaloos (from "Sheriff Joe" and others) about illegal immigration resulting in rampant violent crime, I looked into these same stats.

Conclusion: Phoenix, Arizona is actually safer than Cleveland, Ohio.


1-3 Low
4-6 Moderate
7-8 Moderately High
9 High
10 Extremely High


44111

Aggravated Assault - 2
Burglary - 2
Crimes against people - 2
Crimes against property - 3
Homicide - 4
Larceny - 3
Motor Vehicle - 3
Robbery - 3
Rape - 2

85006

Aggravated Assault - 7
Burglary - 8
Crimes against people - 7
Crimes against property - 7
Homicide - 5
Larceny - 8
Motor Vehicle - 7
Robbery - 7
Rape - 7

I dunno, maybe it's just that part of Phoenix.
 
2012-10-18 10:44:53 AM  
lamecomedian:
About that...

I've seen other studies correlating the legalization of abortion to drops in violent crime. The numbers track: eighteen years after Roe v. Wade, this massive drop ensued despite that drop beginning right in the middle of a small, brief recession. The thinking was that many or most of the abortions are lower-income people who would otherwise have raised those children in poverty, in many cases surrounded by violent crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
 
2012-10-18 10:44:54 AM  

spentmiles: My advice as a long time cop - buy a gun, a big one.


May I offer an amendment: Buy the biggest handgun that you can control, are willing to carry (legally) and can afford to practice with.

If that means you get a 9mm Hi-point, well, that's better than nothing. That's the point: IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING. Get something better if you can afford it. Try buying used from a reputable FFL, as a good gun will last forever with just a little care.

Practice. If you can get out to the range once per month, put 100 rounds down range and get them on target, then you're better trained than your average I-shoot-twice-a-year-at-my-mandatory-qualifications cop.
 
2012-10-18 10:46:36 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Christian Bale: The early 80s economy was worse than the late 70s, so it's not a matter of "following a few years later." When the unemployment rate is highest is generally when crime is going to be worse.

So that makes this year's case odd, but unemployment benefits running out -- or the general poor economy lasting so long--is probably the reason.


Good points. I was so young back then (Born in 78..) So, it's mostly just memory from parent's stories, kind of remembering the homicide rates from WPIX and NY News being wicked high. Like 1,000 homicides. Nothing near what we have these days.

Once those massive numbers of layoffs started being announced in 2007-8-9 I was just waiting for the uptick, and so were a lot of other people. I'm pretty sure you can attribute quite a bit of the gun sales increase to expectation of higher crime rates following such an economic hit.

Overall, I'm pretty amazed at where we are right now. All things considered.


I agree it's impressive and would think that the underlying reasons include various factors favored by both the left and right.

Although i think any increase in gun sales was due to delusional teabaggers thinking Obama was going to ban gun sales or something.
 
2012-10-18 10:47:34 AM  
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!

VOILENT!
 
2012-10-18 10:48:09 AM  

bunner:
I dunno, maybe it's just that part of Phoenix.


I was definitely looking at some top-down stats; the ones I found on fbi.gov were broken down by either county or city, I can't remember. The ZIP-level differences are certainly worth considering.
 
2012-10-18 10:48:40 AM  
Found a similar CNN article that suggests this increase is based on a telephone survey and not actual reported crimes.
 
2012-10-18 10:49:42 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I'm surprised it took this long to show up after 2007. I'm actually quite impressed with how we've handled this whole thing by extending unemployment and seeing more people on govt. assistance. Without those two things, I think it is safe to say that these numbers would have gone up much higher and much more quickly.

I'm sure you could probably also find some correlation with the high incarceration rate we have, but I'm not as positive about that one.

Perhaps a combination of the two? Either way, considering the economic upheaval we've gone through, we're doing quite well. Just ask anyone who lived in NYC (Or, any city really) during the early 80's how great things were after surviving the economic destruction of the late 70's.


At about $25,000/year to house each inmate it seems to me welfare is the more cost effective crime control measure.
 
2012-10-18 10:50:33 AM  

spentmiles: As people are pointing out, the ultra-low crime rate for the last several years causes the 17% increase to appear quite severe. To put it in perspective, say you were driving your car 20 MPH, a nice safe speed. You then accelerated 17% and were then travelling at 23.4 MPH. Not a big deal right? Still a safe enough speed to do some texting or find a new station on the radio.

The problem isn't the increase, it's the rate of increase. The homicide rate has accelerated to that 17% faster than at any point in the United State's long criminal history. If you go from 20 to 24 MPH in a nanosecond, the whiplash is going to pop your farking head off your shoulders.

From the street level, I'll tell you this: the crimes that my investigation team and I are seeing are far and away worse in severity than violent crimes even five years ago. This morning I was looking over a case in which a young mother was trying to put a hungry baby down to bed in his crib. The poor kid, not having eaten in over a day, kept standing up and crying. She finally got so frustrated that the next time he stood up, she jabbed a knitting needle through his eye, driving it into his brain. He was still alive when she buried him in the crawl space. And that's just the first case file in a stack of hundreds that I've got to sort through this monring. And believe me, that's not even a tenth as graphic as most of them.

People that have never been hungry, never been unemployed, never really been without comfort, people like you and me, are now finding themselves so far down roads of unemployment, dirt scratched roads surrounded by flooded wasteland, that their true natures - violent and impulsive natures - are finally coming out, producing actions from them they never would've considered five years ago. They're different people now.

I don't know if the economy is going to get better or worse or what, though I don't think the election's outcome is going to have squat to do with it; however, we'r ...


That is by far the most reasoned and well thought out posts you have ever made - bravo.

And you as a LEO should know that merely being armed is really of little protection. Being aware of your surroundings and avoiding high-risk situations when possible does a whole lot more good. Anyway, still a great comment.
 
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