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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Having successfully restored the Gray Wolf into the environment, Minnesota to celebrate by killing them all off again   (startribune.com) divider line 14
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2012-10-18 01:47:03 AM
4 votes:
How about we allow the wolf hunting season these people so badly desire, but they have to go into the woods with only their hands. They'll of course be allowed to use whatever tools they fashion while hunting, but that's it.
2012-10-18 03:45:07 AM
3 votes:
In Yellowstone, the pronghorn population is critically endangered. Turns out one reason is that coyotes will hunt and kill the calves. The female pronghorns leave newborn calves hidden in the grass while they are grazing, until the calves can keep up with the herd. Coyotes come along and kill the calves. The small (newborn) calves are only big enough to feed a small family pack of coyotes, hence a lot of coyotes can devastate a calving ground.

Since the calves are so small, they are not favorite prey of the wolf packs; however, the coyotes stay away from areas where the wolves have established themselves. Result: The pronghorn calves have a chance to grow up and replenish the herd. A larger wolf pack will not need to eat more than a few pronghorns, since they'd rather take bigger prey (elk, bison) when they can. The net result is that more wolves = more pronghorn.

Funny how that works out.
2012-10-18 02:48:37 AM
2 votes:

Satyagraha: /They're just animals for gods sake


Sounds like someone doesn't appreciate nature.

/Or understand ecosystems
2012-10-18 02:46:53 AM
2 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Pro-tip:

If you're trying to convince me your position is correct... when you provide "facts"... you should... you know... show me that you didn't pull numbers out of your butt.


Frankly the specific numbers don't matter all that much. If there is an important apex predator whose populations, numbering only two or three thousand, are only just recovered after being hunted nearly to extinction -- AND it is already very likely that some will be killed due to livestock depredation laws -- it seems plainly obvious that we should restrict any other activity that will have any impact on their numbers. Their population is not large, even now; WHY should we be allowing people to shoot them at all??
2012-10-18 12:47:05 AM
2 votes:
They do that in Alaska as well. They have yearly wolf hunting to thin out their numbers so there's more caribou and other wild game available for hunters to kill.

Because the only REAL Apex predator in nature is man.
Skr
2012-10-18 05:12:46 AM
1 votes:
I have seen the billboards about this for a while now. Was wondering what it was all about. Sounded like some nutter shiat on the billboards "Stop the DNR from killing the Wolves" but it seems like the licenses are going to actually go out . Meh I don't think the hunting should happen, nor do I think they should have been removed from protected status. Does anything good come out of the government when the public is locked out? Seems the locking out itself is nefarious at the least.

Anyways, I haven't checked out the wolves at the Minnesota Zoo for a while, but the couple that live in Como seem to be pretty cool. White one that is always chilling out and a grey one that loves pacing. Arctic Foxes there are a blast as well. They REALLY love the white bunnies they are given to eat.
2012-10-18 05:04:47 AM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: simplicimus: Pray 4 Mojo: ":A few facts -- the wolf population has been stable since 1998 without hunting or trapping. The last Minnesota population survey was completed in 2007, and it established a population range from 2,100 to 3,500 wolves. This year, 400 wolves are expected to be killed during the scheduled season. Another 300 will be killed legally under livestock depredation controls, plus an estimated 300 more will be killed illegally."

Pro-tip:

If you're trying to convince me your position is correct... when you provide "facts"... you should... you know... show me that you didn't pull numbers out of your butt.

So they're planning to wipe out 1/2 to 1/3 of the population? Sounds genetically sound to me.
/not

According to numbers apparently pulled from the ass of the person that wrote this.

That's the problem.


They know about how many wolves are poached. People have already been poaching them, like they poach every animal.

They know about how many wolves are killed for killing cattle each year.

They know how many licenses are being handed out for hunters to hunt wolves. They are guessing how many wolves will be taken.

It looks like they can account for about 600 wolves outside of ordinary game hunting. I don't know how they are estimating the game hunting-- only one per hunter, only so many licenses, and a certain percent will be successful, perhaps? Or perhaps they are allowing a total of 400 wolves to be taken legally, first come first served. Not a hunter, so I don't know how they balance such things out but I know that in Indiana they estimate how many deer will be killed when they allow deer hunting in state parks. Someone's got a formula.

Anyway, I know the first two numbers are easily projected because they have already been doing those things.
2012-10-18 04:02:01 AM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Regular sport hunting of wolves will allow their numbers to grow and secure their surviving into the future. Its already happen with deer, elk, bears and turkeys in the USA. Sport Hunters not tree huggers tend to be the best stewards of nature. Remember Roosevelt, Audubon, and the other pillars of conservation in America were big game hunters


I understand your point of view, but even without human intervention, the populations would stabilize.
2012-10-18 03:24:50 AM
1 votes:
% of cattle population killed and eaten by wolves last year - 00.000000001%
% of cattle population killed and eaten by people last year - 99.999999999%.

If I were a cow, it would not be wolves that I would be worried about.

Jest sayin'
2012-10-18 03:20:22 AM
1 votes:
"Another 300 will be killed legally under livestock depredation controls."
Too bad there isn't a breed of dog that can be used to protect livestock.
2012-10-18 02:33:36 AM
1 votes:

Satyagraha: FTA:
"During the government shutdown of 2011, the compromise five-year wait was stripped away by the (Republican)Legislature. The State Capitol building was closed to the public when the final language was approved."

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/They're just animals for gods sake


They're predators, which in turn keep the other species in check (barring of course random factors like a disease or drought/flood year that keeps their prey at lower populations). They were hunted nearly to extinction in the upper mid-west early last century or so (can't remember exactly since my research paper was done in 2006).

Ranchers biatch about them because of the (potential) economic loss, but in terms of balancing the ecosystem, all predators are invaluable. Humans are the interlopers in their natural territory, not the other way around.
2012-10-18 02:01:46 AM
1 votes:

ozarkmatt: Raoul Eaton: //well, no, they go after the weak, young, and sick (kind of like Congressional Republicans)

Dick.


They go after Dick like congressional republicans?
2012-10-18 01:49:40 AM
1 votes:
Being a Minnesotan I think I'll wear my favorite shirt everyday in a show of solidarity with the wolves.

www.animalshirts.net

Or I could just continue going on not giving a fark. Yeah I'll do that.
2012-10-18 12:09:17 AM
1 votes:
If depredations are not the basis for a hunt, why kill wolves? This is a sport season, pure and simple. Recreational killing.

Killing is fun! YEEE-HAW!
 
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