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(My Fox DC)   Five million dollar lottery winner waits 6 years to cash in his winning ticket because he didn't want his "windfall to influence his engagement and subsequent marriage" or in other words, he wanted to see if his wife was a golddigger   (myfoxdc.com) divider line 73
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2012-10-17 08:48:12 PM
So, he just postponed the inevitable divorce and her trying to take all his money for six years.
 
2012-10-17 08:57:48 PM
I didn't even know you could claim it after that long.
 
2012-10-17 09:03:16 PM
Good on these guys. They knew that a huge windfall like that, without planning, can be disastrous. So they waited years until they absolutely HAD to get the extra cash. I think two guys who have that kind of fortitude and ability to delay gratification will do quite well with the money.
 
2012-10-17 09:12:05 PM

Ambivalence: I didn't even know you could claim it after that long.


FTFA: Unlike winning tickets for games such as Lotto and Mega Million that expire in a year, tickets for scratch-off games expire a year after a game is retired. The Extravaganza game was retired on March 12, 2011, Hapeman said.

Rincewind53: Good on these guys. They knew that a huge windfall like that, without planning, can be disastrous. So they waited years until they absolutely HAD to get the extra cash. I think two guys who have that kind of fortitude and ability to delay gratification will do quite well with the money.


I agree... they don't seem like the type to blow the money on customized double-wides with gold fixtures and Lamborghinis with rebel flag paint jobs. Actually they may be better off getting the money now than in 2006. At the time, the hot investment was sub-prime mortgage derivatives (and we all know how well that turned out).
 
2012-10-17 09:15:04 PM
Posted: Oct 17, 2012 11:21 AM EDT
Updated: Oct 17, 2012 11:21 AM EDT


Andy Ashkar, 34, of Camillus, and Nayel Ashkar, 36, of Cicero, came forward March 1


Apparently Fox News had to wait seven months to report the story as well.
 
2012-10-17 09:32:31 PM

FirstNationalBastard: So, he just postponed the inevitable divorce and her trying to take all his money for six years.


Yeah the difference is that if she IS a gold-digger, now she is legally entitled to half as joint property. If he had cashed it single he could have protected it.
 
2012-10-17 09:39:33 PM
It was convenient that they bought it in their own store. Supposedly whenever a winner is bought by someone related to a retailer they do an investigation. I wonder how long the investigation took? A year?
 
2012-10-17 09:49:33 PM

Fo Shiz: It was convenient that they bought it in their own store. Supposedly whenever a winner is bought by someone related to a retailer they do an investigation. I wonder how long the investigation took? A year?


I'm going to guess seven months, the time between when they turned in the ticket and the time this story was posted.
 
2012-10-17 10:01:28 PM
Smart man.

*)
 
2012-10-17 10:03:48 PM
Lemme guess, he's suddenly worried about capital gains, dividends, and savings taxes, amirite?

Amirite?

R.A.M.P.

*)
 
2012-10-17 10:03:52 PM
reported: At the time, the hot investment was sub-prime mortgage derivatives (and we all know how well that turned out).

now they can buy GOLD!
 
2012-10-17 10:04:37 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com 

Approves
 
2012-10-17 10:04:43 PM
P.S. This isn't America, realistically.
 
2012-10-17 10:05:40 PM
what's with the unlikely tag?
 
2012-10-17 10:07:09 PM
Indubitably: Lemme guess, he's suddenly worried about capital gains, dividends, and savings taxes, amirite?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-17 10:07:12 PM
Don't you generally have a year to turn in your ticket, or else it is worth dick?
 
2012-10-17 10:07:53 PM
FTA: "...with family and friends calling to express their surprise and excitement find out where the line forms and which hand to stick out."

Better.
 
2012-10-17 10:10:51 PM

Weidermeijer: Don't you generally have a year to turn in your ticket, or else it is worth dick?


Maybe it's a really good dick.
 
2012-10-17 10:12:11 PM
Two brothers from central New York have claimed a $5 million lottery prize for a scratch-off ticket they bought at their parents' Syracuse store six years ago, state officials said.

I smell some sort of fraudulent activity.
 
2012-10-17 10:13:13 PM
That's an unusually smart thing for a person who plays the lottery to do.
 
2012-10-17 10:13:44 PM
Are these tickets pre-printed and delivered to the store, which then sells them? I'm wondering if perhaps the parents' store had a stack of these lying around and realized they were worthless, so they "sold" them to their son? Am I a crazy conspiracy theorist?
 
2012-10-17 10:14:13 PM
That's the worst part about getting rich. Suddenly having to be concerned about taxes and other boring things. And you're no longer excited to hear Pizza Pops are 2 for the price of 1 at Safeway.
 
2012-10-17 10:15:23 PM
Good for them.

Wait, I mean I don't believe it, who did they mug to get the ticket?!?!! I can't believe that there are responsible lottery winners!
 
2012-10-17 10:17:17 PM
The wives now know that their husbands are sneaky and hide things. This duplicity works both ways. In some states it is grounds for divorce and as mentioned above, the wife is now entitled to half.
 
2012-10-17 10:22:29 PM
So you can claim a ticket after 6 years and have a relative sell you the winning ticket?

/that makes a lot of sense
//in texas if you are related to anyone involved in the lottery you are barred from playing. if you don't claim your prize within the allotted amount of time then you're SOL.
 
2012-10-17 10:24:14 PM

puffy999:
I smell some sort of fraudulent activity.


There's only two ways that seem possible.
1) They found a way to read the tickets without scratching them off.
2) A customer won and brought it back to the store, they stole it from the customer, and the customer never complained about it.

I find both of these highly unlikely.
 
2012-10-17 10:26:39 PM
Would have made more sense to cash the ticket right away and bank the interest for 5 years
 
2012-10-17 10:29:33 PM
She ain't messin' with no broke nubians
 
2012-10-17 10:32:01 PM

Godamnlimey: Would have made more sense to cash the ticket right away and bank the interest for 5 years


What is this "interest" of which you speak?
 
2012-10-17 10:35:12 PM

leadmetal: 1) They found a way to read the tickets without scratching them off.


It's possible that the store was committing some sort of lottery fraud, as well.

Of course, considering it was the kids of the store owners, microscratching isn't necessarily out of the question, depending on how the state runs their lottery.
 
2012-10-17 10:38:25 PM
I mean, it was validated, so apparently everything is on the up and up. Sometimes, though, coincidences are too much.
 
2012-10-17 10:38:59 PM

Talondel: She ain't messin' with no broke nubians


Your comment makes me uncomfortable.

Why is that?
 
2012-10-17 10:39:35 PM

BoxOfBees: Are these tickets pre-printed and delivered to the store, which then sells them? I'm wondering if perhaps the parents' store had a stack of these lying around and realized they were worthless, so they "sold" them to their son? Am I a crazy conspiracy theorist?


scratch offs are, but lets say through some glitch a bunch of tickets sat in the back room for years. For that to happen the lottery would have had to receive payment for them, so the store, the family owned them. they bought them. Which makes this a fortunate error, because I doubt a business intentionally takes a hit on the hope there's a big winner in the bunch.
 
2012-10-17 10:45:34 PM

Madman drummers bummers: Godamnlimey: Would have made more sense to cash the ticket right away and bank the interest for 5 years

What is this "interest" of which you speak?


It's when your eyebrows go up slightly. There's a house for sale just down the street from me and the agent guy is asking for expressions of interest on it. It sucks, I don't want all these mimes coming through my neighbourhood with giant ladders. Probably at least half of them will accidentally take their imagination ladders and then do that ridiculous "climbing nowhere" crap that they do. They take so long to set them up. It's like, "F*ck you, mime, a real ladder doesn't even take that long to set up, and there's no reason to purse your stupid lips. Pretend suicide off the top, you f*cker." I'm angry just thinking about it. We're good people here, we don't need their kind whimsying up the suburb.
 
2012-10-17 10:49:00 PM
more like...
store owners told the bum his ticket was not a winner. or told them
'holy shiat man, you won 100 box!'

and waited this long for people to forget they bought a ticket at that store.
 
2012-10-17 10:50:35 PM

Gig103: FirstNationalBastard: So, he just postponed the inevitable divorce and her trying to take all his money for six years.

Yeah the difference is that if she IS a gold-digger, now she is legally entitled to half as joint property. If he had cashed it single he could have protected it.


Nah.. the value date is the purchase date, not the day you turned it in. Otherwise, everyone would dump their spouse and then turn in the ticket.
 
2012-10-17 10:52:10 PM
FARK those biatches!!!

media.syracuse.com

CASH THAT SHIAT AND I'M ROLLIN'
 
2012-10-17 10:54:38 PM

bio4ema: what's with the unlikely tag?


The obvious tag is hiding from divorce lawyers
 
2012-10-17 11:03:01 PM
I'm surprised that there's not more criminal effort expended toward "seeing through" the scratch-off coating, using different wavelengths of light, maybe figuring out a way to look through the "back" side of the card instead. Hell, I'd be trying ultrasonic sensors too. I can't believe that there's *nothing* that can penetrate that coating and give a distinctive return based on the pattern of ink underneath.
 
2012-10-17 11:10:07 PM
I thought lottery tickets expired after a year?
 
2012-10-17 11:15:12 PM

leadmetal: BoxOfBees: Are these tickets pre-printed and delivered to the store, which then sells them? I'm wondering if perhaps the parents' store had a stack of these lying around and realized they were worthless, so they "sold" them to their son? Am I a crazy conspiracy theorist?

scratch offs are, but lets say through some glitch a bunch of tickets sat in the back room for years. For that to happen the lottery would have had to receive payment for them, so the store, the family owned them. they bought them. Which makes this a fortunate error, because I doubt a business intentionally takes a hit on the hope there's a big winner in the bunch.


Not that I care, just wondering whether the owners of the store are allowed to front the money for the tickets and then say "all your tickets are belong to us." I guess I assumed that the store owners are acting as agents of the lottery and that they actually have to sell the tickets to people in the store for them to be valid.

/never bought a lotto ticket. wouldn't even know how to do it.
 
2012-10-17 11:32:21 PM

BoxOfBees: /never bought a lotto ticket. wouldn't even know how to do it.


Point and grunt.
or
"gimme a #2"
 
2012-10-17 11:33:29 PM

Paka Ono: bio4ema: what's with the unlikely tag?

The obvious tag is hiding from divorce lawyers


lol
 
2012-10-17 11:35:42 PM
I'd google it and put in the link, but I just don't care that much... so, go do a google search for "scratch off ticket fraud" and the few of you that think the store might have "sold" the winning ticket in a very lucky break, you will see that depending on the type of game, they might have easily known when they were buying a winner and when they were not. Especially since this ticket is from 6 years ago.
 
2012-10-18 12:11:38 AM

FunkOut: That's the worst part about getting rich. Suddenly having to be concerned about taxes and other boring things. And you're no longer excited to hear Pizza Pops are 2 for the price of 1 at Safeway.


i think many people would be thrilled to go grocery shopping and buy whatever they damn well please. it might even take a while for them to get used to it.

when i was a young man my goal was to hit the Lottery, buy a huge liquor warehouse and have the windows boarded up so I could drink in peace.
 
2012-10-18 12:19:22 AM

KrispyKritter: when i was a young man my goal was to hit the Lottery, buy a huge liquor warehouse and have the windows boarded up so I could drink in peace.


Hell, I want to do that now in a Lowe's or a Home Depot. Just walk around and buy all the cool toys you want. I know most will never be used, but I would have a home workshop that makes Norm Abram look like a pussy.
 
2012-10-18 12:19:34 AM
The state of Washington periodically takes winning tickets into a lottery retailer, then has the clerk cash them. When the clerk says "it's not a winner", they take away the license. That is one way that this pair may have acquired the so-called "winning ticket".
 
2012-10-18 12:23:41 AM

ozarkmatt: KrispyKritter: when i was a young man my goal was to hit the Lottery, buy a huge liquor warehouse and have the windows boarded up so I could drink in peace.

Hell, I want to do that now in a Lowe's or a Home Depot. Just walk around and buy all the cool toys you want. I know most will never be used, but I would have a home workshop that makes Norm Abram look like a pussy.


I'm 33, and if growing "older" has brought me any wisdom at all, they have been in the form of strategies for getting locked into a Toy'r'Us overnight.
 
2012-10-18 12:25:40 AM
so he purchased the ticket from his parents store and then waited years to cash it, i wonder if maybe that has something to do with not cashing it. What i am saying is either the ticket was stolen from one of there customers and they waited a long time so it would blow over or they found some way to figure out which tickets are winners.
 
2012-10-18 12:27:23 AM
I call bullshiat. They either found the ticket stuffed in dead grandma's drawer, or this is a very clever scam... ie they searched for unclaimed winnings, and forged the ticket.

/not a terrible idea...
 
2012-10-18 12:29:09 AM

golem222: so he purchased the ticket from his parents store and then waited years to cash it, i wonder if maybe that has something to do with not cashing it. What i am saying is either the ticket was stolen from one of there customers and they waited a long time so it would blow over or they found some way to figure out which tickets are winners.


Oh, well there is your answer. Stole the ticket, waited a long time to cash it so no one else would come forward and contest it.
 
2012-10-18 12:30:31 AM
... or some combination of the above. If the store sold the winning ticket, they received a percentage of the win as a commission... so they knew the winning numbers. Since they run a store that sells lottery, they have access to the lottery paper etc for a good forgery.
 
2012-10-18 12:36:32 AM

Diarrhea Anne Frank: ozarkmatt: KrispyKritter: when i was a young man my goal was to hit the Lottery, buy a huge liquor warehouse and have the windows boarded up so I could drink in peace.

Hell, I want to do that now in a Lowe's or a Home Depot. Just walk around and buy all the cool toys you want. I know most will never be used, but I would have a home workshop that makes Norm Abram look like a pussy.

I'm 33, and if growing "older" has brought me any wisdom at all, they have been in the form of strategies for getting locked into a Toy'r'Us overnight.


*It has.

"IT HAS been in the form of...", not "they have...". Dang it all to gosh. My failure turned a heartfelt expression of my innermost desires turned into a festival of wankpuddery. I feel your pain, Kristen Stewart! I feel it!

(Also if she ever reads this and wants to upgrade "pain" to "boob", I'm up for it. Email is username at gmail. I've got a couch that folds out if the scrawny guy with the hair tags along.)
 
2012-10-18 12:48:38 AM
A smart lottery winner?

I may have become less cynical just now.
 
2012-10-18 01:11:30 AM

leadmetal: puffy999:
I smell some sort of fraudulent activity.

There's only two ways that seem possible.
1) They found a way to read the tickets without scratching them off.
2) A customer won and brought it back to the store, they stole it from the customer, and the customer never complained about it.

I find both of these highly unlikely.


Uhh...you might be surprised at how often clerks cheat drunks and stoners out of big prizes. Happens every day in every city. Drunks & stoners are usually happy to get $50 and walk away with no memory of it.
 
2012-10-18 01:17:01 AM
k.. sorry dont mean to ramble here, but I enjoy the mental exercise. If you have a lottery machine in your possession, any hacker worth his salt can get into it and make it do what you want. I have experience reverse engineering electronics... obviously the machine has an alarm mechanism on it, but I'd be willing to bet good money that its a simple switch on the case so when you try to open the service door or slide the case open, it trips. So you cut into the side of the machine, disable the security mechanism, then access the electronics to print your new ticket. Once completed, you machine yourself a replacement case, and put it back together.. and no one would ever know. Assuming you didnt just forge an authentic service key or tool.

Anything can be hacked. Anything.

If they get away with it.. my (black) hat is off to them.
 
2012-10-18 01:17:41 AM
Oh, it was a scratch off? fark. Well I just wasted my time.. hahah.
 
2012-10-18 01:30:00 AM

BMFPitt: I thought lottery tickets expired after a year?


Reading the article always helps.
 
2012-10-18 01:39:40 AM
Work counter at parents store.
Check ticket from elderly customer.
Tell them. "Oh... sorry. No winner this time Harold. Thank you, come again."
Put 5 million dollar ticket in safe deposit box.
Wait 5 years for Harold to die and /or completely forget about ticket.
Profit.

/Senanigans
 
2012-10-18 02:05:21 AM

reported: ....
I agree... they don't seem like the type to blow the money on customized double-wides with gold fixtures and Lamborghinis with rebel flag paint jobs. Actually they may be better off getting the money now than in 2006. At the time, the hot investment was sub-prime mortgage derivatives (and we all know how well that turned out).



I know what I want for Christmas!!!!

www.mileanhour.com 

/hot like Daisy's shorts!
 
2012-10-18 02:20:04 AM
FTFA. Brothers 6 million dollar winnings is the top prize of a scratch off game that was sold for several years. Unlike dated lottery games such as lotto, Mega Millions, Powerball, scratch off tickets are valid to cash in for a year after sales of a scratch off game terminates. It's hard to believe but brothers claim they bought ticket six years ago and waited one year after scratch off sales ended. Game terminated in March, 2011 and brothers cashed in ticket in March, 2012. It took several months for State Lottery Commission to investigate the sale of this ticket because brother bought ticket from their parents convenience store.

There are several aspects of the story that are difficult to believe. Unless someone is Donald Trump or a Rockefeller, hard to believe someone could wait 6 years to cash in a six million dollar winning ticket. Also fact that brothers' parents sold them the ticket sounds a little fishy
 
2012-10-18 05:43:58 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So, he just postponed the inevitable divorce and her trying to take all his money for six years.


Gig103:
Yeah the difference is that if she IS a gold-digger, now she is legally entitled to half as joint property. If he had cashed it single he could have protected it.

www.monstersandcritics.de
"Congratulations, you're she's the first to survive the audition."


Did you guys not WATCH "Coming to America"? If she sticks around through a half-decade of American lower-middle class living and probably having to work more than a few shifts at the family convenience store, she's probably not a "gold-digger". That's the whole point.

/hopes these brothers are on the up-and-up, it's a good story
 
2012-10-18 07:29:33 AM

ThatDarkFellow: So you can claim a ticket after 6 years and have a relative sell you the winning ticket?

/that makes a lot of sense
//in texas if you are related to anyone involved in the lottery you are barred from playing. if you don't claim your prize within the allotted amount of time then you're SOL.


YEE HAW!!!!

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2012-10-18 09:51:46 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So, he just postponed the inevitable divorce and her trying to take all his money for six years.


Done in one.
 
2012-10-18 10:33:24 AM

leadmetal: puffy999:
I smell some sort of fraudulent activity.

There's only two ways that seem possible.
1) They found a way to read the tickets without scratching them off.
2) A customer won and brought it back to the store, they stole it from the customer, and the customer never complained about it.

I find both of these highly unlikely.


What you do as a store clerk is whenever a person buys something that isn't tracked (say candy bars) you ring them up as lottery tickets. Manually punch it into the register instead of scanning it. Then you help yourself to the lottery tickets and turn in the winners. The store's inventory tracking shows the tickets as legitimately bought and as long as you don't get greedy, the loss of the candy bars isn't noticed.
 
2012-10-18 11:24:45 AM
You guys conspiracy theorizing do know that the lottery commission's investigation likely did cover everything that you guys might think up right? They have a financial incentive not to pay out if they don't have to after all. They didn't find anything, give it a break.
 
2012-10-18 11:29:19 AM
I think they ripped off an old person of the ticket and that old person just died, so they can cash in the ticket. I have a feeling we will see more on this story in the future. (cynical, I know).
 
2012-10-18 12:47:37 PM

ThatDarkFellow: So you can claim a ticket after 6 years and have a relative sell you the winning ticket?


according to the article, the state's rules allow scratch tickets to be claimed upto a year after the game is discontinued. this one was discontinued in 2011, so they couldn't sit on it any longer. state rule also has the commission investigate if the winner is related to the store owner, and like the article stated at the end, determined it was legitimate.

/how are there so many comments asking questions the article already addressed?
 
2012-10-18 02:43:55 PM
Oh yeah, this is fraud!

Customer brought ticket into store 6 years ago, store owner (mom or dad) scans it, "sorry not a winner, want me throw away for you?"

Hold the ticket for as long as possible and cash in just short of expiration. I'm certain of this.
 
2012-10-18 02:50:24 PM
...AND my comment was number 69 so i'm REALLY certain of this!
 
2012-10-18 05:10:49 PM

leadmetal: puffy999:
I smell some sort of fraudulent activity.

There's only two ways that seem possible.
1) They found a way to read the tickets without scratching them off.
2) A customer won and brought it back to the store, they stole it from the customer, and the customer never complained about it.

I find both of these highly unlikely.


Actually, the second one is kinda what I was thinking.

(don't have the link), but I remember a story a while back where a customer had been coming in for years to the same store and instead of checking his tickets himself, he would hand them over to the cashier to see what he had won.

Long story short, the cashier told him he didn't win anything that day and tried to cash in on a prize worth millions of dollars.

Since they waited so long to cash these in, I would think this is a possibility here. For someone who comes into their store and does this, they can't possibly remember (or know) if this happened to them more than 5 years ago. If it was an old person, they might have died of old age already. Even if a regular customer realized/suspects they did this to them... No one will believe them after 5 years or so has passed.
 
2012-10-18 07:44:45 PM
I am pretty damn sure that every multi-million dollar winner is investigated and that if the circumstances are unusual they really get investigated.

Criminals usually don't don't wait six years to cash something in anyways. People with that kind of patience and the ability to defer gratification are far less likely than average to engage in criminal activity.


So I suspect fraud is unlikely. Admittedly I can't rule it out. But then again I can't rule out that Subby is a mass murder. But until thing called "evidence" comes up, he and lottery-winning couple are entitled to the right not to be treated as criminals.
 
2012-10-18 08:09:07 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: I am pretty damn sure that every multi-million dollar winner is investigated and that if the circumstances are unusual they really get investigated.


True, but unless there's someone to complain that they were robbed and who can make a good case for it, there's only so much "investigation" the lottery commission can do - lottery tickets are only one small step above bearer bonds in that regard.

Still, I agree that there's no reason to assume (much less assert) that there's anything nefarious about this lottery win.
 
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