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(WWSB ABC 7)   Mother good: takes teen daughter to Orlando for the weekend. Mother bad: leaves behind a 10-year-old, 3-year-old, and bed-ridden elderly woman to fend for themselves in a filthy house (with pics)   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 74
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2012-10-18 12:59:00 AM  

poe_zlaw: Can someone please explain to me why it is not extremely rare to find a set of humans who willfully live in a house like that? What the fusk is it that allows a human brain to find that acceptable? Why is that easier than just taking out the trash?. I could have that place looking 100 times better in just 10 minutes by throwing 99% of the crap away. WHY CANT THEY DO THAT? HOW CAN AN ENTIRE HOUSE OF PEOPLE DECIDE ITS OKAY TO LIVE AMONGST FILTH?


Drug Addiction, ie: alcoholism, and the cycle of mental illness involved.
 
2012-10-18 01:05:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.


Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.
 
2012-10-18 01:06:53 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.


My aunt is a hoarder and, sadly, her house does look a lot like the one in the link. My aunt really doesn't see the mess the same way anyone else does. She doesn't see piles of useless garbage stacked to the ceiling, or that there's no clear, direct route to the bathroom (you're guaranteed to have to jump over at least one pile of shiat on your way to the toilet).

She also has one large sofa, two armchairs, and a dining table that seat six, but only two people can sit down in her house at any given time: the table, chairs, and most of the couch are completely covered in junk. There's no clear place to sit unless you move a gigantic pile of stuff...but where could you move it? There's no free space anywhere.

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.
 
2012-10-18 01:15:37 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Mixolydian Master: You forgot the part about deliberately not having a TV

I suppose you probably meant 'television'. 'TV' is a nickname and nicknames are for friends. And television is no friend of mine.


haha. Well played!
 
2012-10-18 01:24:35 AM  

Gyrfalcon: TaterTot_HotDish: it's all so sad. Depression is a mutherfarker.

not that it makes it ok to have kids and a feeble old lady living in shiat. it's not ok. but this mom clearly feels remorse - is there anything that could have been done to prevent a situation like this?

Probably not. Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.

Really, the only thing to do would be to remove the kids, maybe place them with a relative or friend; and let mom live in her mess until she's able to recognize what she's doing. Forced cleanings usually do not work, simply because hoarders can't see their own junk. But it's not fair to the children to make them live that way.


Bullshait!

Hoarding is a spectrum disorder and has both genetic and societal roots. For instance I am slightly a hoarder. I am aware that I often keep some goods longer than my peers(even after the item in question may be useless/obsolete). To counteract this I have purging binges on my belongings. Today I cleaned my office(the only hoardish room in the house) from a two-foot deep level of obsolete junk with a path to my chair to a room with a couple of things (two) I still need to dispose. Cleared out 2 yards of old parts and trash. Rest of the house is vacuumed daily and has nothing out of its pristine place.

BTW you accurately described the extreme end of the spectrum.
/Knew a lumberjack whose house had a 6 foot junk pile except for trails in ever room -- he once lost a frozen turkey in the living room for a whole summer.
//CSB?
 
2012-10-18 01:25:50 AM  

FizixJunkee: Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.


My aunt is a hoarder and, sadly, her house does look a lot like the one in the link. My aunt really doesn't see the mess the same way anyone else does. She doesn't see piles of useless garbage stacked to the ceiling, or that there's no clear, direct route to the bathroom (you're guaranteed to have to jump over at least one pile of shiat on your way to the toilet).

She also has one large sofa, two armchairs, and a dining table that seat six, but only two people can sit down in her house at any given time: the table, chairs, and most of the couch are completely covered in junk. There's no clear place to sit unless you move a gigantic pile of stuff...but where could you move it? There's no free space anywhere.

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.


been there
 
2012-10-18 01:29:38 AM  

FizixJunkee:

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.


My brother-in-law is like this. He keeps all kinds of crap that he's gotten from demo-ing job sites (he's a contractor, or was) with an eye to reusing it. A lot of contractors do that; but in his case he never actually does it, because he's always on to his next plan. Meanwhile, the stuff sits and rots and becomes unusable--but nobody can throw it out because "he's going to use it SOMEDAY." Even his email...I'm the family computer geek and I was over trying to figure out what was wrong with my nephew's computer which has now become my brother-in-law's computer. Well, I know what one problem is right off the bat: He's got over 900 messages in the "suspect email" folder and another 800 in the regular email folder in his earthlink account. He hasn't gone through any of them yet but they "might be important" so he can't toss them...and so it goes.

Hoarders are infuriating, and yet it's a genuine illness, so it's impossible to hate them as much as one wants to.
 
2012-10-18 01:53:11 AM  
fta - "Deputies learned she had fallen four days before, urinated in her bed and was very confused."

that made me laugh.
 
2012-10-18 02:01:34 AM  

Mugato: Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?

I've never seen a black person at Halloween Horror Nights.


What if they smile? Or wave? Can you see 'em then?
 
xcv
2012-10-18 02:09:15 AM  

EmmaLou: Farklee: EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.

Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?

I wish it was a story.


It's from The Boxcar Children: Uncensored Edition
 
2012-10-18 05:16:10 AM  
Bah. If the kids were really hungry they would have chewed through the lid of that can of soup. They would have been fine for at least 3 or 4 more days, possibly even 5. I do not see what the big deal is.
 
2012-10-18 05:17:23 AM  

FizixJunkee: Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.


My aunt is a hoarder and, sadly, her house does look a lot like the one in the link. My aunt really doesn't see the mess the same way anyone else does. She doesn't see piles of useless garbage stacked to the ceiling, or that there's no clear, direct route to the bathroom (you're guaranteed to have to jump over at least one pile of shiat on your way to the toilet).

She also has one large sofa, two armchairs, and a dining table that seat six, but only two people can sit down in her house at any given time: the table, chairs, and most of the couch are completely covered in junk. There's no clear place to sit unless you move a gigantic pile of stuff...but where could you move it? There's no free space anywhere.

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.


Intervention time. Bring in a shrink, get her some help, and clean house!
 
2012-10-18 07:03:10 AM  

cretinbob: I blame Obamacare


I think I would rather have the government supply me with homecare rather than healthcare. If the govt would supply me with a maid to clean my place I would have more time for the gym, thus I would be healthier and not need healthcare. It would create jobs, my place would be clean, and I wouldnt be a drain on the healthcare system its a win win win!
 
2012-10-18 07:55:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around.


Not really. Lots of animals hoard -- dogs, squirrels and birds, just to name a few. It's a basic survival instinct, and a human incapable of reason (by illness or by choice) is basically just another instinct-driven animal. That can vote.

Back to TFA, this why I want to scream, "No, you do NOT have the right to raise your child 'however you damn well please'." Because in way too many cases, that just means neglect or abuse.
 
2012-10-18 07:58:44 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: Why can't these people be trash up North where they're likely from? Gah.


Nah, I'm a yankee and this shiat is ALL yours.
 
2012-10-18 08:02:59 AM  

Fecal Conservative: Hoarding is a spectrum disorder and has both genetic and societal roots. For instance I am slightly a hoarder. I am aware that I often keep some goods longer than my peers(even after the item in question may be useless/obsolete). To counteract this I have purging binges on my belongings. Today I cleaned my office(the only hoardish room in the house) from a two-foot deep level of obsolete junk with a path to my chair to a room with a couple of things (two) I still need to dispose. Cleared out 2 yards of old parts and trash. Rest of the house is vacuumed daily and has nothing out of its pristine place.

BTW you accurately described the extreme end of the spectrum.
/Knew a lumberjack whose house had a 6 foot junk pile except for trails in ever room -- he once lost a frozen turkey in the living room for a whole summer.
//CSB?


I get what you're saying. I was leaning that way for a while, and I could see myself falling in to that if I wasn't careful. I have to make myself purge. Clothes and books are really my only bad areas at this point, but I have to fight to keep it that way.

I understand hoarding. Not the bottles full of human shiatand piss or nasty food or used tissues - that shiat's gross and I don't get it at all. And pet-mess? ick. Who leaves dog shiat on the floor. But I completely get hoarding stuff and animals. Stuff is different to me because I am wired differently than a non hoarder. I have most of my stuffed animals from my childhood. They were my friends - I can't throw them away! (They're at least packed up in a bin in my attic.) Clothes that my mother bought me that don't fit or are not my style? But they were a gift from my Mom! Rejecting the gift means rejecting her and plus she passed away and there will never be another gift from her. I keep a hideously ugly huge painting and some old furniture from my Grandma's house because if I get rid of them I am getting rid of her memory and the last remnants of that house where I was happy and safe and loved. I can type all this knowing how nuts it sounds to healthy non-hoarders. I know it's whack but that doesn't change that it's in my head. I fight it all the time. Right now my downstairs is what you might call a little cluttery but clean, Kitchen and bathrooms are nice and sanitary. Floors get vacuumed daily. (shaggy dog) You wouldn't think anything of coming in my house. At least the downstairs. But my upstairs that no one sees is a bit scary. Clothes mostly. I'm working on it.

I think people have in their lives different issues that are like sand traps or pits of quick sand. Areas that will snag you and derail you if you are not very careful, and hoarding is one of mine.

My best therapy, btw? I was working in community outreach, and one of my clients was an extreme hoarder. Extreme. Nasty, rotten food on the floor because there is never a place to put up the new groceries so they would just get dropped on top of the pile on the kitchen floor and there they'd stay. Bathrooms full of crap with a nasty toilet and the bathtub full of garbage bags of clothes. Flies. Just horrid. Every time I'd see this lady I'd go home and throw stuff out in a mad frenzy. I watch Hoarders religiously for this purpose. It's theraputic.

But like I said, hoarding I get. I understand and have empathy.

Huh. Must be Therapy Thursday again.
 
2012-10-18 08:10:55 AM  

xcv: EmmaLou: Farklee: EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.

Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?

I wish it was a story.

It's from The Boxcar Children: Uncensored Edition


You just got favorited for that.
 
2012-10-18 08:42:55 AM  
brightcove01.brightcove.com

Those asshole cops could have at least let her take off her Halloween costume before taking a mug shot.

Sheesh.
 
2012-10-18 08:56:46 AM  

namegoeshere: I watch Hoarders religiously for this purpose. It's theraputic.


I do the same thing. Whenever it's time to do a really good deep cleaning of my house I turn on a hoarders marathon while I do it. Nothing makes bleaching my kitchen floor more appealing than watching some old lady sleeping on bags of dog shiat in her non-functioning bathtub.

/seriously
 
2012-10-18 08:59:43 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: Why can't these people be trash up North where they're likely from? Gah.


2/10... You just aren't trying anymore....
 
2012-10-18 09:24:01 AM  
Nothing cures hoarding like moving. Constantly. And not being able to afford movers, so it's just me and my 3-door Civic. Even the stuff you throw away is stuff you gotta at least carry to the dumpster. First twenty boxes ain't so bad. But at the end of the day. . . well, after one move I once put out some leftover cardboard boxes and slept on the floor. This was in March. In New England. With the utilities turned off. (Amazing what's comfortable when you're so exhausted you can barely move.) Not that I was much of a hoarder to begin with, but we had the social background. Lower-middle class means enough money to buy things but not enough to throw them away. Growing up, if we bought a coffee maker, it would stay in the house for at least ten years no matter its usage and even if it was broken.

We've accumulated some stuff since we bought a house, but I don't see hoarding ever becoming a problem. My moving years all but traumatized me. I could become a billionaire and still limit my belongings to what I think I could pack & cart out in a day.
 
2012-10-18 11:44:11 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: namegoeshere: I watch Hoarders religiously for this purpose. It's theraputic.

I do the same thing. Whenever it's time to do a really good deep cleaning of my house I turn on a hoarders marathon while I do it. Nothing makes bleaching my kitchen floor more appealing than watching some old lady sleeping on bags of dog shiat in her non-functioning bathtub.

/seriously


yes indeedy.

I don't have issues with hoarding, but I can get a bit lazy about cleaning all the nooks and crannies. A Hoarders marathon and I have no problem moving furniture, washing windows, and getting that mop into a bucket of pinesol.
 
2012-10-18 12:15:38 PM  

Mixolydian Master: AverageAmericanGuy: buckler: AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.

If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.

My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.

I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.

You forgot the part about deliberately not having a TV


I'm saying that woman is like you.
 
2012-10-18 12:22:54 PM  

dragonchild: Nothing cures hoarding like moving. Constantly. And not being able to afford movers, so it's just me and my 3-door Civic. Even the stuff you throw away is stuff you gotta at least carry to the dumpster. First twenty boxes ain't so bad. But at the end of the day. . . well, after one move I once put out some leftover cardboard boxes and slept on the floor. This was in March. In New England. With the utilities turned off. (Amazing what's comfortable when you're so exhausted you can barely move.) Not that I was much of a hoarder to begin with, but we had the social background. Lower-middle class means enough money to buy things but not enough to throw them away. Growing up, if we bought a coffee maker, it would stay in the house for at least ten years no matter its usage and even if it was broken.

We've accumulated some stuff since we bought a house, but I don't see hoarding ever becoming a problem. My moving years all but traumatized me. I could become a billionaire and still limit my belongings to what I think I could pack & cart out in a day.


I feel ya. Nothing cures the "too good to throw away" urge like the immediate necessary to be packed out of the premises.
 
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