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(WWSB ABC 7)   Mother good: takes teen daughter to Orlando for the weekend. Mother bad: leaves behind a 10-year-old, 3-year-old, and bed-ridden elderly woman to fend for themselves in a filthy house (with pics)   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 74
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2012-10-17 08:39:12 PM
As an Orlando resident, I'd like to correct part of that headline. The part where the mom taking the daughter to Orlando is considered "good". It's still hot as hell here, Halloween Horror Nights is OK but expensive when you factor in parking, food, and vaccinations, and the roads are approximately as safe as kicking roadside debris in Afghanistan.

That being said, I've also lived fairly close to Port Charlotte, and I suppose it's just about a wash. Could have been worse. Could have been Englewood.
 
2012-10-17 09:04:22 PM
In her defense, Halloween Horror Nights at Universal is awesome. Definitely the best of any park in the area.
 
2012-10-17 09:15:01 PM
I blame Obamacare
 
2012-10-17 09:33:10 PM
Why can't these people be trash up North where they're likely from? Gah.
 
2012-10-17 09:45:02 PM
"Your honor, I was auditioning for a show on The Learning Channel."
 
2012-10-17 11:06:32 PM
So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.
 
2012-10-17 11:08:34 PM
Oh come here Honey Boo Boo, you so cuuuute!
 
2012-10-17 11:08:52 PM
Can someone please explain to me why it is not extremely rare to find a set of humans who willfully live in a house like that? What the fusk is it that allows a human brain to find that acceptable? Why is that easier than just taking out the trash?. I could have that place looking 100 times better in just 10 minutes by throwing 99% of the crap away. WHY CANT THEY DO THAT? HOW CAN AN ENTIRE HOUSE OF PEOPLE DECIDE ITS OKAY TO LIVE AMONGST FILTH?
 
2012-10-17 11:09:08 PM
McNasty.
 
2012-10-17 11:10:47 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.


If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.
 
2012-10-17 11:11:24 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.


I've had it up to here with your kind and your common sense, perhaps more honey boo boo and the kardashian's, and less book readin' might straighten you out.
 
2012-10-17 11:11:48 PM
Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?
 
2012-10-17 11:11:58 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.


FTA: "Detectives found a can of tomato soup on the kitchen counter that had multiple punch marks trying to open it. The 10 year old said she didn't know how to use a can opener; she also said she tried to cook spaghetti but couldn't find what she needed. "

FTA: "The sheriff's office received a call Sunday evening from a neighbor after one of Warner's other daughters, a 10-year-old, came to her home saying she was hungry. " 

Your 7 year old has a much, much more responsible parent than this 10 year old has. In this case, the 10 year old needed that nosy do gooder and in fact went asked for help. A very 'YMMV' moment, especially when children are involved.
 
2012-10-17 11:12:36 PM
!0 to 1 odds says she was wearing Mickey Mouse ears. Those kinds of people, them thar Floridians, will do that....
 
2012-10-17 11:13:57 PM

buckler: AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.

If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.


My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.

I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.
 
2012-10-17 11:15:41 PM
I can sympathize a bit. Last year I left my 4 year old and 1 year old behind while I took my 12 year old nieces to Disneyland instead. (But I left them with their mom and fully abled grandparents.)
 
2012-10-17 11:16:10 PM
I think it is really awful that she has depression that causes her an inability to clean up the house. I think taxpayers should fork over enough money to get her a maid. Of course, in a society as wealthy is ours, it really should be a fundamental right for her to not have a dirty house. So I advocate the buying of a new house for her every time hers gets dirty. It's not her kids' fault the house is dirty. And it clearly isn't her fault.

And now we have both parents in jail, and it's really a shame that the kids have to be put through that, and the parents have to have no kids that grew up without parents in jail. So I think the taxpayers should fork over enough money so that this couple can have some more kids, and give them enough money that it is no burden for them to raise the kids. Everyone should be allowed to raise kids who don't have parents in jail. In fact, it should be a fundamental right.
 
2012-10-17 11:19:35 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: buckler: AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?
I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).
Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.
If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.
My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.
I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.



Do you also have to be to the gym in 26 minutes?
cuz you kind of sound like a douche.
Teach your kid to use a can opener already.
Might save their life someday.
 
2012-10-17 11:19:56 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.

I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.


Well, I certainly won't put you down, but from the article, it's obvious they had canned goods lying around, in which case the kid should know how to use the food-obtaining machine.
 
2012-10-17 11:21:36 PM

SevenizGud: I think it is really awful that she has depression that causes her an inability to clean up the house. I think taxpayers should fork over enough money to get her a maid. Of course, in a society as wealthy is ours, it really should be a fundamental right for her to not have a dirty house. So I advocate the buying of a new house for her every time hers gets dirty. It's not her kids' fault the house is dirty. And it clearly isn't her fault.

And now we have both parents in jail, and it's really a shame that the kids have to be put through that, and the parents have to have no kids that grew up without parents in jail. So I think the taxpayers should fork over enough money so that this couple can have some more kids, and give them enough money that it is no burden for them to raise the kids. Everyone should be allowed to raise kids who don't have parents in jail. In fact, it should be a fundamental right.



Geez, I can almost hear you sniffing that glue.
 
2012-10-17 11:24:30 PM
At least the kids shouldn't have immune systems problems, unlike the rest of you pristine antibacterial I-don't-have-dog-shiat-in-my-house nose-in-the-air yuppie snowflake types.
 
2012-10-17 11:25:51 PM

buckler:

If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.



Dude, I know teenagers who can't read an analog clock. Lord only knows if they can cook for themselves or not.
 
2012-10-17 11:25:53 PM

Farklee: SevenizGud: I think it is really awful that she has depression that causes her an inability to clean up the house. I think taxpayers should fork over enough money to get her a maid. Of course, in a society as wealthy is ours, it really should be a fundamental right for her to not have a dirty house. So I advocate the buying of a new house for her every time hers gets dirty. It's not her kids' fault the house is dirty. And it clearly isn't her fault.

And now we have both parents in jail, and it's really a shame that the kids have to be put through that, and the parents have to have no kids that grew up without parents in jail. So I think the taxpayers should fork over enough money so that this couple can have some more kids, and give them enough money that it is no burden for them to raise the kids. Everyone should be allowed to raise kids who don't have parents in jail. In fact, it should be a fundamental right.


Geez, I can almost hear you sniffing that glue.




Uh-huh, and when was the last time your sarcasm meter was calibrated?
 
2012-10-17 11:27:12 PM

Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?


If the mama was black, she would have left some KFC and grape drink in the fridge for the kids.
 
2012-10-17 11:29:31 PM

Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?


Nope, I also assumed she was from Brazil.
 
2012-10-17 11:31:26 PM

adeist69: Farklee: SevenizGud: I think it is really awful that she has depression that causes her an inability to clean up the house. I think taxpayers should fork over enough money to get her a maid. Of course, in a society as wealthy is ours, it really should be a fundamental right for her to not have a dirty house. So I advocate the buying of a new house for her every time hers gets dirty. It's not her kids' fault the house is dirty. And it clearly isn't her fault.

And now we have both parents in jail, and it's really a shame that the kids have to be put through that, and the parents have to have no kids that grew up without parents in jail. So I think the taxpayers should fork over enough money so that this couple can have some more kids, and give them enough money that it is no burden for them to raise the kids. Everyone should be allowed to raise kids who don't have parents in jail. In fact, it should be a fundamental right.


Geez, I can almost hear you sniffing that glue.



Uh-huh, and when was the last time your sarcasm meter was calibrated?



My sarc meter runs on only one AAA battery and it ran dry after the first paragraph.

/Just sayin....lost interest. Not hatin'
 
2012-10-17 11:32:30 PM
My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.
 
2012-10-17 11:34:37 PM

Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?


Why would ethnicity occur to anyone reading this story? The squalor just is what it is.
 
2012-10-17 11:35:06 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: buckler: AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.

If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.

My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.

I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.


You forgot the part about deliberately not having a TV
 
2012-10-17 11:35:43 PM

EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.


Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?
 
2012-10-17 11:36:09 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.


Yes. This woman was dropped on her head as a child.
 
2012-10-17 11:37:11 PM

Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?


No, you're just an innocent victim of the racists who promulgate such stereotypes.
 
2012-10-17 11:37:17 PM

Farklee: EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.

Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?


I wish it was a story.
 
2012-10-17 11:39:55 PM

Somacandra: Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?

Why would ethnicity occur to anyone reading this story? The squalor just is what it is.



There is more to this story than merely being a squalor. Would this even be a story if the filthy-mom lived alone and didn't leave kids and grandma to rot? You get my point now?
 
2012-10-17 11:41:33 PM

EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.




Gotcha, the second half was kinda over the top....it's all good.
 
2012-10-17 11:41:39 PM

EmmaLou: Farklee: EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.

Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?

I wish it was a story.


At the least, it should be a country-western song, EmmaLou!
 
2012-10-17 11:43:30 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.


i.imgur.com

Yeh, yeah. We all know what you really eat.
 
2012-10-17 11:45:40 PM

SevenizGud: ...And now we have both parents in jail...So I think the taxpayers should fork over enough money so that this couple can have some more kids...


This is Florida; thus, the problem can be adequately addressed by banning gay people from adopting those kids.
 
2012-10-17 11:45:53 PM

EmmaLou: Farklee: EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.

Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?

I wish it was a story.


I wasn't doubting the legitimacy of your story. Just the facts don't seem to hold-up to 2012:

1) CPS not removing kids
2) Kids playing with rats (not with today's options)
3) "Reform school" seriously?
 
2012-10-17 11:47:01 PM

Mixolydian Master: You forgot the part about deliberately not having a TV


I suppose you probably meant 'television'. 'TV' is a nickname and nicknames are for friends. And television is no friend of mine.
 
2012-10-17 11:47:17 PM

Farklee: Would this even be a story if the filthy-mom lived alone and didn't leave kids and grandma to rot? You get my point now?


People get reported to cops all the time for hoarding and filth regardless if they have kids or not. The neighborhood starts to smell. And the kids/grandma neglect thing---what about that suggests any particular ethinicity? I'm not aware of some ethnic stereotype about neglect. Now socioeconomic CLASS stereotyping, sure. But not racial or ethnic.
 
2012-10-17 11:48:19 PM
I agree with you, Farklee. Perhaps it's the fact that it happened in South Dakota circa 1990. They're about 30 years behind the rest of the country.
 
2012-10-17 11:58:49 PM

Somacandra: Farklee: Would this even be a story if the filthy-mom lived alone and didn't leave kids and grandma to rot? You get my point now?

People get reported to cops all the time for hoarding and filth regardless if they have kids or not. The neighborhood starts to smell. And the kids/grandma neglect thing---what about that suggests any particular ethinicity? I'm not aware of some ethnic stereotype about neglect. Now socioeconomic CLASS stereotyping, sure. But not racial or ethnic.


meh. I was hoping for a juicier response to make it worth my wh
 
2012-10-18 12:02:07 AM

Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?


Probably.

I don't watch Hoarders regularly, but I'll stream a bit on Netflix when I feel unmotivated to clean up. Those people always seem to be white.
 
2012-10-18 12:08:16 AM
I thought they were white.

Is it racist to think that all black people have tidy households?
 
2012-10-18 12:10:15 AM
it's all so sad. Depression is a mutherfarker.

not that it makes it ok to have kids and a feeble old lady living in shiat. it's not ok. but this mom clearly feels remorse - is there anything that could have been done to prevent a situation like this?
 
2012-10-18 12:17:59 AM

Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?


I've never seen a black person at Halloween Horror Nights.
 
2012-10-18 12:23:23 AM

TaterTot_HotDish: it's all so sad. Depression is a mutherfarker.

not that it makes it ok to have kids and a feeble old lady living in shiat. it's not ok. but this mom clearly feels remorse - is there anything that could have been done to prevent a situation like this?


Probably not. Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.

Really, the only thing to do would be to remove the kids, maybe place them with a relative or friend; and let mom live in her mess until she's able to recognize what she's doing. Forced cleanings usually do not work, simply because hoarders can't see their own junk. But it's not fair to the children to make them live that way.
 
2012-10-18 12:37:29 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.


Just so we're clear here - the house looks like that and you're blaming the ten-year-old for not being mature enough to take care of things while Mom's away?
 
2012-10-18 12:38:52 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: buckler: AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.

If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.

My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.

I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.


Not baggin' on you at all, but I'm just really enjoying the cognitive dissonance of reading the phrase, "We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats," written by someone whose online nom de plume is AverageAmericanGuy. Because, according to an informal poll of the people I run into on a daily basis, the Average American Guy is currently spooning unlabeled horse meat out of a can with tortilla chips that are half sugar because organic is what them Commie Islamists eat.
 
2012-10-18 12:59:00 AM

poe_zlaw: Can someone please explain to me why it is not extremely rare to find a set of humans who willfully live in a house like that? What the fusk is it that allows a human brain to find that acceptable? Why is that easier than just taking out the trash?. I could have that place looking 100 times better in just 10 minutes by throwing 99% of the crap away. WHY CANT THEY DO THAT? HOW CAN AN ENTIRE HOUSE OF PEOPLE DECIDE ITS OKAY TO LIVE AMONGST FILTH?


Drug Addiction, ie: alcoholism, and the cycle of mental illness involved.
 
2012-10-18 01:05:25 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.


Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.
 
2012-10-18 01:06:53 AM

Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.


My aunt is a hoarder and, sadly, her house does look a lot like the one in the link. My aunt really doesn't see the mess the same way anyone else does. She doesn't see piles of useless garbage stacked to the ceiling, or that there's no clear, direct route to the bathroom (you're guaranteed to have to jump over at least one pile of shiat on your way to the toilet).

She also has one large sofa, two armchairs, and a dining table that seat six, but only two people can sit down in her house at any given time: the table, chairs, and most of the couch are completely covered in junk. There's no clear place to sit unless you move a gigantic pile of stuff...but where could you move it? There's no free space anywhere.

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.
 
2012-10-18 01:15:37 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mixolydian Master: You forgot the part about deliberately not having a TV

I suppose you probably meant 'television'. 'TV' is a nickname and nicknames are for friends. And television is no friend of mine.


haha. Well played!
 
2012-10-18 01:24:35 AM

Gyrfalcon: TaterTot_HotDish: it's all so sad. Depression is a mutherfarker.

not that it makes it ok to have kids and a feeble old lady living in shiat. it's not ok. but this mom clearly feels remorse - is there anything that could have been done to prevent a situation like this?

Probably not. Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.

Really, the only thing to do would be to remove the kids, maybe place them with a relative or friend; and let mom live in her mess until she's able to recognize what she's doing. Forced cleanings usually do not work, simply because hoarders can't see their own junk. But it's not fair to the children to make them live that way.


Bullshait!

Hoarding is a spectrum disorder and has both genetic and societal roots. For instance I am slightly a hoarder. I am aware that I often keep some goods longer than my peers(even after the item in question may be useless/obsolete). To counteract this I have purging binges on my belongings. Today I cleaned my office(the only hoardish room in the house) from a two-foot deep level of obsolete junk with a path to my chair to a room with a couple of things (two) I still need to dispose. Cleared out 2 yards of old parts and trash. Rest of the house is vacuumed daily and has nothing out of its pristine place.

BTW you accurately described the extreme end of the spectrum.
/Knew a lumberjack whose house had a 6 foot junk pile except for trails in ever room -- he once lost a frozen turkey in the living room for a whole summer.
//CSB?
 
2012-10-18 01:25:50 AM

FizixJunkee: Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.


My aunt is a hoarder and, sadly, her house does look a lot like the one in the link. My aunt really doesn't see the mess the same way anyone else does. She doesn't see piles of useless garbage stacked to the ceiling, or that there's no clear, direct route to the bathroom (you're guaranteed to have to jump over at least one pile of shiat on your way to the toilet).

She also has one large sofa, two armchairs, and a dining table that seat six, but only two people can sit down in her house at any given time: the table, chairs, and most of the couch are completely covered in junk. There's no clear place to sit unless you move a gigantic pile of stuff...but where could you move it? There's no free space anywhere.

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.


been there
 
2012-10-18 01:29:38 AM

FizixJunkee:

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.


My brother-in-law is like this. He keeps all kinds of crap that he's gotten from demo-ing job sites (he's a contractor, or was) with an eye to reusing it. A lot of contractors do that; but in his case he never actually does it, because he's always on to his next plan. Meanwhile, the stuff sits and rots and becomes unusable--but nobody can throw it out because "he's going to use it SOMEDAY." Even his email...I'm the family computer geek and I was over trying to figure out what was wrong with my nephew's computer which has now become my brother-in-law's computer. Well, I know what one problem is right off the bat: He's got over 900 messages in the "suspect email" folder and another 800 in the regular email folder in his earthlink account. He hasn't gone through any of them yet but they "might be important" so he can't toss them...and so it goes.

Hoarders are infuriating, and yet it's a genuine illness, so it's impossible to hate them as much as one wants to.
 
2012-10-18 01:53:11 AM
fta - "Deputies learned she had fallen four days before, urinated in her bed and was very confused."

that made me laugh.
 
2012-10-18 02:01:34 AM

Mugato: Farklee: Am I racist because I was surprised the mom was white?

I've never seen a black person at Halloween Horror Nights.


What if they smile? Or wave? Can you see 'em then?
 
xcv
2012-10-18 02:09:15 AM

EmmaLou: Farklee: EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.

Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?

I wish it was a story.


It's from The Boxcar Children: Uncensored Edition
 
2012-10-18 05:16:10 AM
Bah. If the kids were really hungry they would have chewed through the lid of that can of soup. They would have been fine for at least 3 or 4 more days, possibly even 5. I do not see what the big deal is.
 
2012-10-18 05:17:23 AM

FizixJunkee: Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around. People with it seem to have zero insight into their disease--if you watch "Hoarders", you'll hear them say things like "I need to organize my things so I can go through them" or "I need to keep this stuff in case I need it some day" about stuff that's clearly rotten or broken. They'll be clearly remorseful or anguished if their kids get taken or someone gets hurt, no doubt about it--and yet they STILL won't be able to clean up or throw shiat out. They're not lying or faking--they truly can't understand why people don't see that they "need" their stuff.


My aunt is a hoarder and, sadly, her house does look a lot like the one in the link. My aunt really doesn't see the mess the same way anyone else does. She doesn't see piles of useless garbage stacked to the ceiling, or that there's no clear, direct route to the bathroom (you're guaranteed to have to jump over at least one pile of shiat on your way to the toilet).

She also has one large sofa, two armchairs, and a dining table that seat six, but only two people can sit down in her house at any given time: the table, chairs, and most of the couch are completely covered in junk. There's no clear place to sit unless you move a gigantic pile of stuff...but where could you move it? There's no free space anywhere.

I think my aunt's delusion is this: she sees the potential for her stuff, but not its reality. She buys a lot of stuff for her "future" house---I put that in quotation marks because there won't be a future house...she spends every spare penny she has acquiring shiat, usually junk from flea markets, thrift stores, and antique shops. She also buys a lot of broken items claiming she can either repair or "upcycle" them; she likes to imagine that she's going to profit from these items once she finally sells them, which won't happen since she never follows through with any of these plans.


Intervention time. Bring in a shrink, get her some help, and clean house!
 
2012-10-18 07:03:10 AM

cretinbob: I blame Obamacare


I think I would rather have the government supply me with homecare rather than healthcare. If the govt would supply me with a maid to clean my place I would have more time for the gym, thus I would be healthier and not need healthcare. It would create jobs, my place would be clean, and I wouldnt be a drain on the healthcare system its a win win win!
 
2012-10-18 07:55:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: Hoarding is one of the weirdest mental disorders around.


Not really. Lots of animals hoard -- dogs, squirrels and birds, just to name a few. It's a basic survival instinct, and a human incapable of reason (by illness or by choice) is basically just another instinct-driven animal. That can vote.

Back to TFA, this why I want to scream, "No, you do NOT have the right to raise your child 'however you damn well please'." Because in way too many cases, that just means neglect or abuse.
 
2012-10-18 07:58:44 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Why can't these people be trash up North where they're likely from? Gah.


Nah, I'm a yankee and this shiat is ALL yours.
 
2012-10-18 08:02:59 AM

Fecal Conservative: Hoarding is a spectrum disorder and has both genetic and societal roots. For instance I am slightly a hoarder. I am aware that I often keep some goods longer than my peers(even after the item in question may be useless/obsolete). To counteract this I have purging binges on my belongings. Today I cleaned my office(the only hoardish room in the house) from a two-foot deep level of obsolete junk with a path to my chair to a room with a couple of things (two) I still need to dispose. Cleared out 2 yards of old parts and trash. Rest of the house is vacuumed daily and has nothing out of its pristine place.

BTW you accurately described the extreme end of the spectrum.
/Knew a lumberjack whose house had a 6 foot junk pile except for trails in ever room -- he once lost a frozen turkey in the living room for a whole summer.
//CSB?


I get what you're saying. I was leaning that way for a while, and I could see myself falling in to that if I wasn't careful. I have to make myself purge. Clothes and books are really my only bad areas at this point, but I have to fight to keep it that way.

I understand hoarding. Not the bottles full of human shiatand piss or nasty food or used tissues - that shiat's gross and I don't get it at all. And pet-mess? ick. Who leaves dog shiat on the floor. But I completely get hoarding stuff and animals. Stuff is different to me because I am wired differently than a non hoarder. I have most of my stuffed animals from my childhood. They were my friends - I can't throw them away! (They're at least packed up in a bin in my attic.) Clothes that my mother bought me that don't fit or are not my style? But they were a gift from my Mom! Rejecting the gift means rejecting her and plus she passed away and there will never be another gift from her. I keep a hideously ugly huge painting and some old furniture from my Grandma's house because if I get rid of them I am getting rid of her memory and the last remnants of that house where I was happy and safe and loved. I can type all this knowing how nuts it sounds to healthy non-hoarders. I know it's whack but that doesn't change that it's in my head. I fight it all the time. Right now my downstairs is what you might call a little cluttery but clean, Kitchen and bathrooms are nice and sanitary. Floors get vacuumed daily. (shaggy dog) You wouldn't think anything of coming in my house. At least the downstairs. But my upstairs that no one sees is a bit scary. Clothes mostly. I'm working on it.

I think people have in their lives different issues that are like sand traps or pits of quick sand. Areas that will snag you and derail you if you are not very careful, and hoarding is one of mine.

My best therapy, btw? I was working in community outreach, and one of my clients was an extreme hoarder. Extreme. Nasty, rotten food on the floor because there is never a place to put up the new groceries so they would just get dropped on top of the pile on the kitchen floor and there they'd stay. Bathrooms full of crap with a nasty toilet and the bathtub full of garbage bags of clothes. Flies. Just horrid. Every time I'd see this lady I'd go home and throw stuff out in a mad frenzy. I watch Hoarders religiously for this purpose. It's theraputic.

But like I said, hoarding I get. I understand and have empathy.

Huh. Must be Therapy Thursday again.
 
2012-10-18 08:10:55 AM

xcv: EmmaLou: Farklee: EmmaLou: My aunt and cousins used to live in a house like that. I don't know what this chick's problem is, but my aunt was an alcoholic and drug addict. My mom called CPS on multiple occasions, and they actually went there and didn't take the kids away.

My aunt went to jail for a month, and left the kids (12, 11, and 9) some money and told them not to tell anyone. (It was summer.) One of them came to our house and just didn't go home...which happened a lot, so we didn't think anything of it.

For awhile there, they had chickens running around the house, and then there was the time that one of the kids brought home a pair of rats which multiplied. The oldest took a gun to them to get to his bedroom, which had become overrun by said rats while he was in reform school. 

They condemned the house after they moved.

Nice story...Lemme guess, 1948?

I wish it was a story.

It's from The Boxcar Children: Uncensored Edition


You just got favorited for that.
 
2012-10-18 08:42:55 AM
brightcove01.brightcove.com

Those asshole cops could have at least let her take off her Halloween costume before taking a mug shot.

Sheesh.
 
2012-10-18 08:56:46 AM

namegoeshere: I watch Hoarders religiously for this purpose. It's theraputic.


I do the same thing. Whenever it's time to do a really good deep cleaning of my house I turn on a hoarders marathon while I do it. Nothing makes bleaching my kitchen floor more appealing than watching some old lady sleeping on bags of dog shiat in her non-functioning bathtub.

/seriously
 
2012-10-18 08:59:43 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Why can't these people be trash up North where they're likely from? Gah.


2/10... You just aren't trying anymore....
 
2012-10-18 09:24:01 AM
Nothing cures hoarding like moving. Constantly. And not being able to afford movers, so it's just me and my 3-door Civic. Even the stuff you throw away is stuff you gotta at least carry to the dumpster. First twenty boxes ain't so bad. But at the end of the day. . . well, after one move I once put out some leftover cardboard boxes and slept on the floor. This was in March. In New England. With the utilities turned off. (Amazing what's comfortable when you're so exhausted you can barely move.) Not that I was much of a hoarder to begin with, but we had the social background. Lower-middle class means enough money to buy things but not enough to throw them away. Growing up, if we bought a coffee maker, it would stay in the house for at least ten years no matter its usage and even if it was broken.

We've accumulated some stuff since we bought a house, but I don't see hoarding ever becoming a problem. My moving years all but traumatized me. I could become a billionaire and still limit my belongings to what I think I could pack & cart out in a day.
 
2012-10-18 11:44:11 AM

Freudian_slipknot: namegoeshere: I watch Hoarders religiously for this purpose. It's theraputic.

I do the same thing. Whenever it's time to do a really good deep cleaning of my house I turn on a hoarders marathon while I do it. Nothing makes bleaching my kitchen floor more appealing than watching some old lady sleeping on bags of dog shiat in her non-functioning bathtub.

/seriously


yes indeedy.

I don't have issues with hoarding, but I can get a bit lazy about cleaning all the nooks and crannies. A Hoarders marathon and I have no problem moving furniture, washing windows, and getting that mop into a bucket of pinesol.
 
2012-10-18 12:15:38 PM

Mixolydian Master: AverageAmericanGuy: buckler: AverageAmericanGuy: So the 10 year old isn't mature enough to take care of things when mom's away for a couple days?

I'd leave my kid (7) at home for a couple days if I had to. He can cook for himself, clean up after himself, and knows the necessary phone numbers to call in case of an emergency. If his grandparents lived with us, he could take care of them too (he already does when we visit them).

Parents should be able to determine whether or not kids are old enough to stay home alone, not nosy do-gooders.

If a 10-year-old doesn't know how to use a can opener, she's not immature; she hasn't been taught a basic life skill by a mom who obviously doesn't give a damn about anyone but herself.

My kid doesn't know how to use a can opener. We only use fresh organic produce and anti-biotic free meats in our kitchen. We don't use anything canned or in a tube or frozen.

I'm not saying this woman is like me, but there might be more to the story than meets the eye.

You forgot the part about deliberately not having a TV


I'm saying that woman is like you.
 
2012-10-18 12:22:54 PM

dragonchild: Nothing cures hoarding like moving. Constantly. And not being able to afford movers, so it's just me and my 3-door Civic. Even the stuff you throw away is stuff you gotta at least carry to the dumpster. First twenty boxes ain't so bad. But at the end of the day. . . well, after one move I once put out some leftover cardboard boxes and slept on the floor. This was in March. In New England. With the utilities turned off. (Amazing what's comfortable when you're so exhausted you can barely move.) Not that I was much of a hoarder to begin with, but we had the social background. Lower-middle class means enough money to buy things but not enough to throw them away. Growing up, if we bought a coffee maker, it would stay in the house for at least ten years no matter its usage and even if it was broken.

We've accumulated some stuff since we bought a house, but I don't see hoarding ever becoming a problem. My moving years all but traumatized me. I could become a billionaire and still limit my belongings to what I think I could pack & cart out in a day.


I feel ya. Nothing cures the "too good to throw away" urge like the immediate necessary to be packed out of the premises.
 
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