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(CNN) NewsFlash Obama administration prevents terror attack at Federal Reserve Bank. Romney to blame Obama for not calling it a terror attack soon enough. RON PAUL to blame Obama for interfering   (news.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 476
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2012-10-17 04:21:07 PM  
The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.
 
2012-10-17 04:22:18 PM  
I would think Paul would blame the Federal Reserve for existing.
 
2012-10-17 04:25:35 PM  

wxboy: I would think Paul would blame the Federal Reserve for existing.


Bad guys were just trying to audit the fed.

With explosives.
 
2012-10-17 04:30:26 PM  
The defendant thought he was striking a blow to the American economy. He thought he was directing confederates and fellow believers. At every turn, he was wrong, and his extensive efforts to strike at the heart of the nation's financial system were foiled by effective law enforcement

Translation: "We trolled this stupid loser mofo for all he was worth. He fell for the whole thing from start to finish."
 
2012-10-17 04:33:12 PM  
Stopping someone from blowing up a branch of the Fed isn't mentioned in the Constitution.
 
2012-10-17 04:37:59 PM  
OMG they didn't just catch the guy, they totally trolled him. "Oh sure these are explosives, not modeling clay"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-17 04:40:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The defendant thought he was striking a blow to the American economy. He thought he was directing confederates and fellow believers. At every turn, he was wrong, and his extensive efforts to strike at the heart of the nation's financial system were foiled by effective law enforcement

Translation: "We trolled this stupid loser mofo for all he was worth. He fell for the whole thing from start to finish."


That's fine. The intent is what matters.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-17 04:43:16 PM  

Gonz: Stopping someone from blowing up a branch of the Fed isn't mentioned in the Constitution.


I am sure it's a violation of the Tenth Amendment and the Second.
 
2012-10-17 04:50:29 PM  

vpb: Gonz: Stopping someone from blowing up a branch of the Fed isn't mentioned in the Constitution.

I am sure it's a violation of the Tenth Amendment and the Second.


Oh, sure, if you're one of those limp-wristed bleeding hearts who thinks the Constitution can mean whatever we need it to mean, as long as it's convenient.

I'm a Strict Constructionist. If the Founders wanted building bombings to be covered, they would have included that.
 
2012-10-17 05:21:02 PM  

hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.


Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.
 
2012-10-17 05:21:13 PM  
Just in time for the elections.
 
2012-10-17 05:21:24 PM  
The FBI is now the Obama Administration?
 
2012-10-17 05:22:35 PM  
Soft on terror.
 
2012-10-17 05:23:34 PM  
It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.
 
2012-10-17 05:23:58 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?
 
2012-10-17 05:24:03 PM  
The Feds supplied him with everything. Story over.
 
2012-10-17 05:24:23 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.


The liberals are only trying to make it look like the Republicans staged it as to not look like they staged it themselves. Fedception.
 
2012-10-17 05:24:41 PM  
Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.
 
2012-10-17 05:24:42 PM  
In before "The Republicans will just say it was staged because herp a derp derp."



Oh.....too late.
 
2012-10-17 05:25:37 PM  
Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?
 
2012-10-17 05:25:37 PM  
So what wire did they cut? Red or Blue??
 
2012-10-17 05:25:45 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?


I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?
 
2012-10-17 05:25:49 PM  
When the pair arrived at the warehouse, Nafis began putting together what he thought was a 1,000-pound bomb inside the van. Then they drove together to the target: The New York Federal Reserve Bank. As they drove, he armed the purported by putting together the detonator and the explosives, the criminal complaint says.

The van was then parked next to the bank. The pair went to a nearby hotel, where Nafis apparently recorded a video statement meant to be shown to the American public in connection with the attack.

"We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom," he said, according to the criminal complaint.

He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

Nafis was then arrested.


This is like Chris Hansen telling you to bring condoms and Smirnoff Ice with you to the 12 year old girl's house. You just shot reasonable doubt in the head and are now throwing grenades at your entrapment and coercion defense.
 
2012-10-17 05:26:12 PM  
You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the FBI.
 
2012-10-17 05:26:17 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


yup, the president has control over gas prices but not the FBI

/this is what republicans believe....unless the FBI screws up, then its obamas fault
 
2012-10-17 05:26:18 PM  
How Die Hard of him. *eyeroll* Can't you evildoers at least get your own ideas?


Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


ON HIS WATCH
 
2012-10-17 05:26:25 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


Only when they fail, then its all Obama administrations direct and personal fault.

In a case like this where they succeeded though, its just the plain old FBI. Its also at that point just Obama taking credit for other peoples work.

/see, I am slowly learning how to 'think' like a Republican.
 
2012-10-17 05:26:27 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?


No, the only thing that's part of the executive branch are the people responsible for the State Department's security.
 
2012-10-17 05:26:45 PM  

bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.


If the government didn't find him and troll him, he might have been able to get a real one through some other means.
 
2012-10-17 05:26:46 PM  
Modern day Guy Fawkes

We should celebrate it every year by blowing stuff up.

Nothing says "party" like a failed bombing attempt at big money and power.
 
2012-10-17 05:26:48 PM  
What the suspect may look like:
www.murderati.com
 
2012-10-17 05:26:50 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


I see your point, which is why I don't understand the "Libya scandal" in the first place. However, do you actually think people would not have blamed Obama, if this bombing wasn't thwarted ?
 
2012-10-17 05:26:59 PM  

vpb: I am sure it's a violation of the Tenth Amendment and the Second.


Well, according to Tony Scalia, a rocket launcher is protected, as long as you can carry it.
 
2012-10-17 05:27:03 PM  
Nice try, Fartbama. Your False Flag operation to gin up an October Surprise isn't going to work this time.
 
2012-10-17 05:27:10 PM  

uncleacid: The Feds supplied him with everything. Story over.


I got no problem with that. If you're stupid enough to embark on such a mission you should end up in jail. Especially since this isn't the first time the FBI "tricked" these sovreign citizens to try to put in practice what they spend hours every day sprewing on the internet.
 
2012-10-17 05:27:26 PM  

Rustblade: Just in time for the elections.


Without any facts, derptards like Erik Erikson are already shaping the talking points for tomorrow, how this whole thing was setup by the Obama administration, etc.

2:1 odds, someone on Fox News tomorrow will ask "just how far *would* the Obama administration go to make them appear tough on terror? Just asking questions..."
 
2012-10-17 05:27:29 PM  

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


If Bush could claim he prevented any attacks on America after 9/11, by the same logic this was prevented by Obama as well. Also, since he would be to blame for it like the GOP says he's to blame for Benghazi, therefore Obama prevented this.
 
2012-10-17 05:27:51 PM  
Wanted for questioning

i2.listal.com
 
2012-10-17 05:27:57 PM  

Sticky Hands: You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the FBI.


pusatbluray.com
Yippe kay-yay, Mr Falcon!
 
2012-10-17 05:28:02 PM  
glad they thwarted that attack and I can't blame or praise either one of those candidate j/os. But I guess that's the joke.
 
2012-10-17 05:28:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The defendant thought he was striking a blow to the American economy. He thought he was directing confederates and fellow believers. At every turn, he was wrong, and his extensive efforts to strike at the heart of the nation's financial system were foiled by effective law enforcement

Translation: "We trolled this stupid loser mofo for all he was worth. He fell for the whole thing from start to finish."


That's actually how they catch most of them - infiltrate a place known to attract extremists, identify someone that seems willing to take things further than just talk - provide him with (what he believes) are the means to carry out an attack and then bust him when he's about to go through with it.
 
2012-10-17 05:28:29 PM  
fark you and all of your bullshiat partisanship.
 
2012-10-17 05:28:33 PM  

12349876: If the government didn't find him and troll him


isn't that entrapment ?
 
2012-10-17 05:28:48 PM  

uncleacid: The Feds supplied him with everything. Story over.


Not really.

If I gave you a bunch of plastic explosive would you be able to drive to the Home Depot and purchase the proper gear to turn that into a bomb that can be remotely detonated?

He claims to have come to the USA in order to blow shiat up, and it seems likely that someone gave him training in how to make things go "boom".
 
2012-10-17 05:28:50 PM  
Looks like somebody failed the moron test again. Sorry, Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafism, you don't even get a copy of our home game.
 
2012-10-17 05:28:51 PM  
Your move, Romney.
 
2012-10-17 05:28:58 PM  
Christ what an abortion of a headline.
 
2012-10-17 05:29:06 PM  

12349876: bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.

If the government didn't find him and troll him, he might have been able to get a real one through some other means.


We'll never know, will we.

/of course the justice system will be okay with this bit of entrapment because who the fark needs civil liberties
 
2012-10-17 05:29:26 PM  
bristle.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-17 05:29:31 PM  

GAT_00: by the same logic this was prevented by Obama as well.


no, Obama is blah and blahs don't prevent crime.
 
2012-10-17 05:29:33 PM  
I don't know why any terrorist wannabe would target something in NYC. Any co-conspirators you come up with are bound to be FBI or NYPD.
 
2012-10-17 05:29:40 PM  
Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis

Wow, let's just shorten that to Q-Dog.
 
2012-10-17 05:29:47 PM  

Mind of the North Star: I see your point, which is why I don't understand the "Libya scandal" in the first place. However, do you actually think people would not have blamed Obama, if this bombing wasn't thwarted ?


Somebody would have blamed anyone and everyone.
 
2012-10-17 05:29:57 PM  
I'm sure Obama personally did this himself, just like he killed Osama. LIberals are really reaching now. They have been watching this guy for months and arrest him the day after the debates....right. This is why Obama is dangerous, he turns everything into politics instead of just focusing on doing the right thing.
 
2012-10-17 05:30:04 PM  
The ultimate episode of "Bait Car".
 
2012-10-17 05:30:13 PM  
Wanted for questioning:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-17 05:30:17 PM  

uncleacid: The Feds supplied him with everything. Story over.


Pretty sure every single foiled plot since 9/11 except the shoe bomber has been this way -- they're all bumbling morons who find their comrades on the internet or at a mosque, but the guy is actually FBI/CIA.
 
2012-10-17 05:30:25 PM  
Must be the Tea Party. Or the Buddhists.

The election's already over. Fark libs just doesn't recognize it. LOL (the smart party)

Thanks for playing.

diplomatdc.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-17 05:30:27 PM  

CliChe Guevara: Only when they fail, then its all Obama administrations direct and personal fault.

In a case like this where they succeeded though, its just the plain old FBI. Its also at that point just Obama taking credit for other peoples work.

/see, I am slowly learning how to 'think' like a Republican.


If anything, they likely overruled Obama's decision to give the man actual explosives, and ended up saving countless lives in spite of the "president" meddling in things he knows nothing about.
 
2012-10-17 05:30:40 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


You think Romney and his surrogates would lay blame solely at the feet of the FBI if he succeeded?
 
2012-10-17 05:30:54 PM  
So now we are gonna offer to pardon the guy that tried to rob the federal reserve bank when he rescues the POTUS after the POTUS's daughter crashes Air Force 1 amirite?
 
2012-10-17 05:31:02 PM  
It always makes me chuckle when I hear stories about people buying fake bombs from FBI agents and then trying to detonate them. The opportunities for trolling seem so incredible. Heck even if the FBI stayed on the safe side and just put a speaker in there that blasted some Rick Astley when the terrorist tried to detonate, I'd be happy.
 
2012-10-17 05:31:07 PM  

Mind of the North Star: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

I see your point, which is why I don't understand the "Libya scandal" in the first place. However, do you actually think people would not have blamed Obama, if this bombing wasn't thwarted ?


I'm fairly certain fox news would blame him if a dog farted in Portugal.
 
2012-10-17 05:31:13 PM  
Politics aside, a sincere thank you to all the men and women who work their asses of to make sure people don't get killed. These people are true farking heros.
 
2012-10-17 05:32:03 PM  
The guy wanted to blow up the Fed after the election, but the FBI pressured him into doing it sooner so Obama could get a win.

So yeah, this is all Obama's fault for politicizing stopping people from blowing up the Fed. Vote Romney.
 
2012-10-17 05:32:11 PM  

Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.


I'm sure he has a 5 point plan
 
2012-10-17 05:32:13 PM  

LoneVVolf: The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


Why would they bother? The powers that be already know that as long as the TV doesn't give out and food is still available, most Americans aren't going to do shiat.

Rather then scaring us, I think they are doing it to impress us.
 
2012-10-17 05:32:15 PM  
The Fed? Terror attack, or public service. You decide.
 
2012-10-17 05:32:44 PM  
He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

planetpit.com
 
2012-10-17 05:32:49 PM  

Snapper Carr: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

You think Romney and his surrogates would lay blame solely at the feet of the FBI if he succeeded?


I'm sure they would. Doesn't change my question at all though.
 
2012-10-17 05:32:52 PM  
The federal reserve.... ehhh..... cant say I would have cared much....
 
2012-10-17 05:33:03 PM  

Patterson: Soft on terror.


Tough on stains.
 
2012-10-17 05:33:06 PM  

pottie: Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.

I'm sure he has a 5 point plan


Which will take six points to outline.
 
2012-10-17 05:33:07 PM  

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


First they came and took the muslim schlubs and I said nothing, because I was not a muslim schlub...
 
2012-10-17 05:33:10 PM  
I hope they release this guy's tape. It'd be a shame to deny everyone the chance to point and laugh.
 
2012-10-17 05:33:11 PM  
This is essentially why terrorists don't really scare me. The vast majority of them are uneducated idiots. The really smart ones direct the idiots, and end up with Bond-Villain-esque results half the time.
 
2012-10-17 05:33:12 PM  

pottie: Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.

I'm sure he has a 5 point plan


He'll need a lot more points than that for a proper pipebomb.
 
2012-10-17 05:33:13 PM  

balki1867: put a speaker in there that blasted some Rick Astley when the terrorist tried to detonate, I'd be happy


I'd pay per view
 
2012-10-17 05:33:28 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Mind of the North Star: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

I see your point, which is why I don't understand the "Libya scandal" in the first place. However, do you actually think people would not have blamed Obama, if this bombing wasn't thwarted ?

I'm fairly certain fox news would blame him if a dog farted in Portugal.


MR. SPEAKER! A DOG FARTED IN PORTUGAL!

SHUT.

DOWN.

GOVERNMENT.
 
Skr
2012-10-17 05:34:08 PM  
"Quazi Mohammad"
Funny, I didn't know he had turned to Islam.
smcarbajal.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-17 05:34:28 PM  

tricycleracer: When the pair arrived at the warehouse, Nafis began putting together what he thought was a 1,000-pound bomb inside the van. Then they drove together to the target: The New York Federal Reserve Bank. As they drove, he armed the purported by putting together the detonator and the explosives, the criminal complaint says.

The van was then parked next to the bank. The pair went to a nearby hotel, where Nafis apparently recorded a video statement meant to be shown to the American public in connection with the attack.

"We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom," he said, according to the criminal complaint.

He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

Nafis was then arrested.

This is like Chris Hansen telling you to bring condoms and Smirnoff Ice with you to the 12 year old girl's house. You just shot reasonable doubt in the head and are now throwing grenades at your entrapment and coercion defense.


Except that he's a terrorist, so he falls under the Patriot Act. This man will never see the light of day again. Gitmo ftw.
 
2012-10-17 05:34:56 PM  

Slartibartfaster: 12349876: If the government didn't find him and troll him

isn't that entrapment ?


Maybe, maybe not. We probably won't ever know. I don't have a problem entrapment as long as there isn't active encouragement. To analogize with prostitution stings, it's the difference between standing on the corner looking like a whore and waiting for johns to proposition you and walking around trying to seduce every guy on the street.
 
2012-10-17 05:35:06 PM  
Yippie Ki Aye Motherf*cker!
 
2012-10-17 05:35:22 PM  
Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafism

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess fundie muslim and not teabagger.
 
2012-10-17 05:35:32 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


Um, yes.
 
2012-10-17 05:35:33 PM  
But remember when Obama does something good like getting OBL - He had NOTHING to do with it but when something bad happens it's ALL his fault.
 
2012-10-17 05:35:39 PM  
Came for the Die Hard 3 jokes, leaving happy.

/got any aspirin?
 
2012-10-17 05:35:45 PM  
Ahahaha, this could not be any more staged. How convenient.
 
2012-10-17 05:35:49 PM  
I'm an Obama fan and I think the Libya comment from last night was out of line, but let's not say Obama prevented this attack. Obama gave the final approval for the bin Laden mission and he can take credit for that. Here it was the FBI and NYPD doing a good job and catching these guys before they have the chance to do anything on US soil.

They probably don't hear that very much, so let me say it again. Good job, FBI and NYPD. Thanks for all the work you do to stop guys like this.
 
2012-10-17 05:36:05 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.


Maybe anarchists staged it to look like Republicans staged it to look like liberals staged it to look like terrorists did it.
 
2012-10-17 05:36:34 PM  

Slartibartfaster: 12349876: If the government didn't find him and troll him

isn't that entrapment ?


As I understand it, they avoid entrapment by repeatedly trying to talk the suspect out of it (I'm not sure how earnestly they try, mind you). Whether or not he goes ahead with it is left up to his choice.
 
2012-10-17 05:36:44 PM  
And by "the Obama administration" subby means the NYPD.
 
2012-10-17 05:36:59 PM  

Mart Laar's beard shaver: Must be the Tea Party. Or the Buddhists.

The election's already over. Fark libs just doesn't recognize it. LOL (the smart party)

Thanks for playing.


Those are English words, but it makes no sense.
 
2012-10-17 05:37:09 PM  

cman: fark you and all of your bullshiat partisanship.


was that aimed at anyone in particular, or the whole thread?
 
2012-10-17 05:37:18 PM  

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


Are you really this ignorant and blindly party loyal?
 
2012-10-17 05:38:08 PM  

balki1867: It always makes me chuckle when I hear stories about people buying fake bombs from FBI agents and then trying to detonate them. The opportunities for trolling seem so incredible. Heck even if the FBI stayed on the safe side and just put a speaker in there that blasted some Rick Astley when the terrorist tried to detonate, I'd be happy.


Oh god. You owe me a new keyboard.
 
2012-10-17 05:38:12 PM  
It's a good thing the TSA was there to thwart their evil plans.
 
2012-10-17 05:38:17 PM  
Eh...when your stated goal for coming to this country is to "blow stuff up," my sympathy for you goes way, way down.
 
2012-10-17 05:38:31 PM  
I wonder if this is another one whos bills were paid by the Feds while they groomed him for the big event.
 
2012-10-17 05:38:32 PM  

Treygreen13: I'm sure they would. Doesn't change my question at all though.


You mean your question about which branch of government it fall under?

Did you fail government 101?
 
2012-10-17 05:38:42 PM  
took entirely too long for DHWAV. you guys are slipping
 
2012-10-17 05:40:00 PM  

ManateeGag: cman: fark you and all of your bullshiat partisanship.

was that aimed at anyone in particular, or the whole thread?


Headline and all the assholes in this thread.

It's good that a terrorist plot was averted. If you like Obama or not, his guys were on the ball. Can't we just leave it at that?
 
2012-10-17 05:40:12 PM  
Obama is only responsible when something goes wrong.
 
2012-10-17 05:40:22 PM  
False flag to take Benghazi story from the headlines. I'm not buying it.
Right.
Some 21 year old Islamic foreigner comes to america just to blow up the FED.

If they wanted to make the story more believable they should have used any ordinary american.
 
2012-10-17 05:40:24 PM  
That quazi guy.
 
2012-10-17 05:40:37 PM  
Die Hard 3 thread?
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-17 05:40:56 PM  
The "explosives that he allegedly sought and attempted to use had been rendered inoperable by law enforcement and posed no threat to the public," according to a statement from U.S. Attorney Loretta E. Lynch.

Couldn't you guys have used something that wasn't originally actual explosives? I mean, I'm sure you do good work and all, but how embarrassing would THAT be, you know?
 
2012-10-17 05:41:38 PM  

Snapper Carr: As I understand it, they avoid entrapment by repeatedly trying to talk the suspect out of it (I'm not sure how earnestly they try, mind you). Whether or not he goes ahead with it is left up to his choice


If they provide the materials - and the materials are not capable of the crime - is he guilty of using known incapable tools provided by the arresting forces ? What crime was committed by the perp that the supplier did not also commit ? (neither actually committed the crime, it is based on intent, but ... are they not both showing intent ?)

Thought crime ?
 
2012-10-17 05:41:49 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Ego edo infantia cattus: Mind of the North Star: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

I see your point, which is why I don't understand the "Libya scandal" in the first place. However, do you actually think people would not have blamed Obama, if this bombing wasn't thwarted ?

I'm fairly certain fox news would blame him if a dog farted in Portugal.

MR. SPEAKER! A DOG FARTED IN PORTUGAL!

SHUT.

DOWN.

GOVERNMENT.


Is that the sequel to A Tree Grows In Brooklyn?
 
2012-10-17 05:41:51 PM  
That was some terrible English and that makes me think it wasn't written by anyone at CNN.

/inert explosives?
 
2012-10-17 05:41:55 PM  

browntimmy: Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis

Wow, let's just shorten that to Q-Dog.


I hate everyone who posts on fark except you
 
2012-10-17 05:42:03 PM  

Gyrfalcon: rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.

Maybe anarchists staged it to look like Republicans staged it to look like liberals staged it to look like terrorists did it.


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-17 05:42:26 PM  
The addition of "Obama administration" to this headline? Lovely. Way to make 'em dance, subby.
 
2012-10-17 05:43:12 PM  

Rich Cream: That was some terrible English and that makes me think it wasn't written by anyone at CNN.

/inert explosives?


Better than ert explosives.
 
2012-10-17 05:43:18 PM  
Someone needs to cross reference the comments here with the ones from this thread in 2008 just to point out how full of shiat some of you people are.
 
2012-10-17 05:43:41 PM  

Gyrfalcon: rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.

Maybe anarchists staged it to look like Republicans staged it to look like liberals staged it to look like terrorists did it.


truly a dizzying intellect
 
2012-10-17 05:43:50 PM  

cman: ManateeGag: cman: fark you and all of your bullshiat partisanship.

was that aimed at anyone in particular, or the whole thread?

Headline and all the assholes in this thread.

It's good that a terrorist plot was averted. If you like Obama or not, his guys were on the ball. Can't we just leave it at that?


did we foreget our pill this morning?
 
2012-10-17 05:43:53 PM  

Rich Cream: That was some terrible English and that makes me think it wasn't written by anyone at CNN.

/inert explosives?


You've never heard of an inert gas?

in·ert [in-urt, ih-nurt]
adjective
1.
having no inherent power of action, motion, or resistance ( opposed to active): inert matter.
2.
Chemistry . having little or no ability to react, as nitrogen that occurs uncombined in the atmosphere.
3.
Pharmacology . having no pharmacological action, as the excipient of a pill.
4.
inactive or sluggish by habit or nature.
 
2012-10-17 05:44:14 PM  

Gyrfalcon: rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.

Maybe anarchists staged it to look like Republicans staged it to look like liberals staged it to look like terrorists did it.


It all makes perfect sense. Almost TOO much sense. But that's only what you want us to think. Or is it??????
 
2012-10-17 05:44:19 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?


Yeah, the non-Obama part.
 
2012-10-17 05:44:23 PM  
Would have been nice if they had nabbed him BEFORE he tried to actually detonate the bomb. Had he not farked it up this would have been a very different day for us.
 
2012-10-17 05:44:52 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Translation: "We trolled this stupid loser mofo for all he was worth. He fell for the whole thing from start to finish."


From NBC: The complaint said Nafis wrote a statement claiming responsibility for what he thought would be the Fed attack, saying he wanted to "destroy America" by going after its economy. He referred to "our beloved Sheikh Osama bin Laden" in the statement....The pair parked the van by the Fed, got out and walked to a hotel, where Nafis recorded a video statement he meant to be released after the attack. He then tried to detonate the purported bomb, officials said.

Somehow I don't think recording a post-bombing video says "I'm being trolled."
 
2012-10-17 05:44:56 PM  

bhcompy: 12349876: bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.

If the government didn't find him and troll him, he might have been able to get a real one through some other means.

We'll never know, will we.

/of course the justice system will be okay with this bit of entrapment because who the fark needs civil liberties


Yeah, the oh so important civil liberty of being able to buy explosives and try to blow shiat up. That's a real farking keeper for a free society. Woe is me at the loss of such liberty.

Oddly enough, you still have the freedom to not blow things up. This comes with the added benefit of not going to jail for attempting to blow shiat up. Yay freedom!
 
2012-10-17 05:45:00 PM  
"After 11 years without a successful attack, it's understanding if the public becomes complacent"

I'm understand.
 
2012-10-17 05:45:04 PM  
Awwww, now I'm bitter. This won out over my Die Hard headline. I hate election season.

/today was not a good day to die hard
//damn Mr. Falcon
 
2012-10-17 05:45:04 PM  

Treygreen13: I'm sure they would. Doesn't change my question at all though.


Uhm. Wow.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present Treygreen13 as a prime example of what happens when High Schools stop teaching Civics.
 
2012-10-17 05:45:29 PM  
21 year old perp of middle-eastern descent... did a well-dressed man sweet talk the ticket agent into allowing him onto an international flight from Amsterdam without a passport, like the christmas bomber? Did anyone claim he was a refugee from Africa?

/does this event cause Congress to freeze any pending sunset clauses in legislation that otherwise would have expired at the stroke of midnight on new years eve?
 
2012-10-17 05:45:48 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Rich Cream: That was some terrible English and that makes me think it wasn't written by anyone at CNN.

/inert explosives?

You've never heard of an inert gas?

in·ert [in-urt, ih-nurt]
adjective
1.
having no inherent power of action, motion, or resistance ( opposed to active): inert matter.
2.
Chemistry . having little or no ability to react, as nitrogen that occurs uncombined in the atmosphere.
3.
Pharmacology . having no pharmacological action, as the excipient of a pill.
4.
inactive or sluggish by habit or nature.



Point, please? If they're inert, they're not explosive.
 
2012-10-17 05:45:53 PM  
So I guess obama grabbed a nightstick, some cuffs and handled things. Just like he handled bin laden. Shame he wasn't able to handle the terrorists that overran our embassy, killed 4 Americans and slaughtered an Ambassador. Oh right that wasn't terrorists, it was angry movie critics. That was Hillary's fault anyway, stupid girls.
 
2012-10-17 05:46:05 PM  

ProfessorOhki: The "explosives that he allegedly sought and attempted to use had been rendered inoperable by law enforcement and posed no threat to the public," according to a statement from U.S. Attorney Loretta E. Lynch.

Couldn't you guys have used something that wasn't originally actual explosives? I mean, I'm sure you do good work and all, but how embarrassing would THAT be, you know?


hopefully, it is never the case that a clever bomberman, who buys all his materials from the feds, then secretly does whatever needs to be done to make them work... while the feds are waiting for him to set off the dummy explosion... boom.

I assume they gave him materials that could not have been exploded whatsoever. like, it was 1000 lbs of fertilizer, which mysteriously had no nitrogen in it, or whatever makes certain fertilizers prone to bomb making
 
2012-10-17 05:46:11 PM  

Wise_Guy: Someone needs to cross reference the comments here with the ones from this thread in 2008 just to point out how full of shiat some of you people are.


Most of those are farker's you never see anymore.

Tats is there though.
 
2012-10-17 05:46:15 PM  

sprawl15: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

No, the only thing that's part of the executive branch are the people responsible for the State Department's security.


And Czars.
 
2012-10-17 05:46:33 PM  
Justice Dept arrests terrorist, yay Barry.
Justice Dept arms Mexican narcos, Barry had nothing to do with that.
 
2012-10-17 05:46:52 PM  

KAVORKA: Wanted for questioning

[i2.listal.com image 300x300]


Came expecting to see Simon Gruber, leaving happy
 
2012-10-17 05:47:02 PM  

CravenMorehead: Would have been nice if they had nabbed him BEFORE he tried to actually detonate the bomb. Had he not farked it up this would have been a very different day for us.


wut?
 
2012-10-17 05:47:08 PM  
Thank you FBI for protecting us from another terrorist plot that you created!
 
2012-10-17 05:47:48 PM  
This just proves Obama is weak, because Quasi Muslim thought he could come over here and bomb us.

Romney will be so strong and emit his Alpha Male Private Equity smell so the terrorists will stay home and hide under their beds.

/basically what Rudy Giu911iani said this week
 
2012-10-17 05:47:48 PM  

Somacandra: Marcus Aurelius: Translation: "We trolled this stupid loser mofo for all he was worth. He fell for the whole thing from start to finish."

From NBC: The complaint said Nafis wrote a statement claiming responsibility for what he thought would be the Fed attack, saying he wanted to "destroy America" by going after its economy. He referred to "our beloved Sheikh Osama bin Laden" in the statement....The pair parked the van by the Fed, got out and walked to a hotel, where Nafis recorded a video statement he meant to be released after the attack. He then tried to detonate the purported bomb, officials said.

Somehow I don't think recording a post-bombing video says "I'm being trolled."


Best.candid.camera.evar

/for the young-ens, that's what we used to call punk'd
 
2012-10-17 05:47:49 PM  

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: The defendant thought he was striking a blow to the American economy. He thought he was directing confederates and fellow believers. At every turn, he was wrong, and his extensive efforts to strike at the heart of the nation's financial system were foiled by effective law enforcement

Translation: "We trolled this stupid loser mofo for all he was worth. He fell for the whole thing from start to finish."

That's fine. The intent is what matters.


There's also the minor detail that the defendant didn't have the slightest chance in hell of accomplishing his evil deeds without federal assistance.

Also, FTA:

Paul J. Browne, deputy commissioner of the New York City Police Department, released the following statement on the alleged plot:
"After 11 years without a successful attack, it's understanding if the public becomes complacent. But that's a luxury law enforcement can't afford."


fark you. You actually have to manufacture terrorist attacks now in order to keep yourselves relevant?
 
2012-10-17 05:47:55 PM  

Rich Cream: JusticeandIndependence: Rich Cream: That was some terrible English and that makes me think it wasn't written by anyone at CNN.

/inert explosives?

You've never heard of an inert gas?

in·ert [in-urt, ih-nurt]
adjective
1.
having no inherent power of action, motion, or resistance ( opposed to active): inert matter.
2.
Chemistry . having little or no ability to react, as nitrogen that occurs uncombined in the atmosphere.
3.
Pharmacology . having no pharmacological action, as the excipient of a pill.
4.
inactive or sluggish by habit or nature.


Point, please? If they're inert, they're not explosive.


Ahh, got it. Sorry carry on.
 
2012-10-17 05:48:03 PM  
This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.
 
2012-10-17 05:48:29 PM  
kombat_unit:
Justice Dept arrests arms terrorist, yay Barry.
Justice Dept arms Mexican narcos, Barry had nothing to do with that.


ftfy
 
2012-10-17 05:48:31 PM  

CravenMorehead: Would have been nice if they had nabbed him BEFORE he tried to actually detonate the bomb. Had he not farked it up this would have been a very different day for us.


Oh no! They just blew up the Fed! On the other hand...how many assholes did they get?

Kidding. I'm sure all Federal Reserve employees are fine upstanding citizens.
 
2012-10-17 05:48:33 PM  
www.viceland.com
 
2012-10-17 05:48:42 PM  

Slartibartfaster: Snapper Carr: As I understand it, they avoid entrapment by repeatedly trying to talk the suspect out of it (I'm not sure how earnestly they try, mind you). Whether or not he goes ahead with it is left up to his choice

If they provide the materials - and the materials are not capable of the crime - is he guilty of using known incapable tools provided by the arresting forces ? What crime was committed by the perp that the supplier did not also commit ? (neither actually committed the crime, it is based on intent, but ... are they not both showing intent ?)

Thought crime ?


If someone walks up, puts a gun to your head and pulls the trigger, but the gun jams, is it still attempted murder? Does that change if the gun was sabotaged before it was given to him?

The question of the supplier committing a crime is trickier I guess, but no. They're not both showing intent as the supplier has no intention of the planned crime actually being executed. No idea how that works for conspiracy though.
 
2012-10-17 05:48:48 PM  

pute kisses like a man: ProfessorOhki: The "explosives that he allegedly sought and attempted to use had been rendered inoperable by law enforcement and posed no threat to the public," according to a statement from U.S. Attorney Loretta E. Lynch.

Couldn't you guys have used something that wasn't originally actual explosives? I mean, I'm sure you do good work and all, but how embarrassing would THAT be, you know?

hopefully, it is never the case that a clever bomberman, who buys all his materials from the feds, then secretly does whatever needs to be done to make them work... while the feds are waiting for him to set off the dummy explosion... boom.

I assume they gave him materials that could not have been exploded whatsoever. like, it was 1000 lbs of fertilizer, which mysteriously had no nitrogen in it, or whatever makes certain fertilizers prone to bomb making


wow... sorry for the incoherence above... looks like it's time to go home. the sad part is that I edited that to look like that.
 
2012-10-17 05:49:11 PM  
Romney's all llike "how we gonna get this fear out faster"??
 
2012-10-17 05:49:14 PM  

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


They did. We know it as 9/11
 
2012-10-17 05:49:15 PM  

PanicMan: Gyrfalcon: rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.

Maybe anarchists staged it to look like Republicans staged it to look like liberals staged it to look like terrorists did it.

It all makes perfect sense. Almost TOO much sense. But that's only what you want us to think. Or is it??????


I want you to think whatever you think they think you don't want them to think you think.
 
2012-10-17 05:49:30 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: bhcompy: 12349876: bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.

If the government didn't find him and troll him, he might have been able to get a real one through some other means.

We'll never know, will we.

/of course the justice system will be okay with this bit of entrapment because who the fark needs civil liberties

Yeah, the oh so important civil liberty of being able to buy explosives and try to blow shiat up. That's a real farking keeper for a free society. Woe is me at the loss of such liberty.

Oddly enough, you still have the freedom to not blow things up. This comes with the added benefit of not going to jail for attempting to blow shiat up. Yay freedom!


The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.
 
2012-10-17 05:49:42 PM  

CravenMorehead: Would have been nice if they had nabbed him BEFORE he tried to actually detonate the bomb. Had he not farked it up this would have been a very different day for us.


When the FBI is involved they provide fake components so there's no chance of that.
 
2012-10-17 05:49:46 PM  

cman: ManateeGag: cman: fark you and all of your bullshiat partisanship.

was that aimed at anyone in particular, or the whole thread?

Headline and all the assholes in this thread.

It's good that a terrorist plot was averted. If you like Obama or not, his guys were on the ball. Can't we just leave it at that?


nope. once they hate Obama, they hate everything he does. no matter what it is. if he pets his dog, it's a photo op, he hates dogs. I'm sure some of them think Obama's gay and his kids are just political props so he looks good for the camera.
 
2012-10-17 05:49:49 PM  
Wait. If you wanted to "strike at the heart of the nation's financial system", why would you blow up the FED? Aren't they doing a good enough job at it?
 
2012-10-17 05:50:40 PM  

urban.derelict: 21 year old perp of middle-eastern descent... did a well-dressed man sweet talk the ticket agent into allowing him onto an international flight from Amsterdam without a passport, like the christmas bomber? Did anyone claim he was a refugee from Africa?

/does this event cause Congress to freeze any pending sunset clauses in legislation that otherwise would have expired at the stroke of midnight on new years eve?


Are you saying what I think you are saying?
because I think you are saying that every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.
 
2012-10-17 05:50:44 PM  
Good job.

The butthurt from the usual suspects is icing on the cake, though...
 
2012-10-17 05:51:19 PM  

mizchief: LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?

They did. We know it as 9/11


Pretty much true.
 
2012-10-17 05:51:55 PM  

ProfessorOhki: The question of the supplier committing a crime is trickier I guess


Should't the supplier/LEO have to prove that the suspect would have done this without being prompted to do so ?
 
2012-10-17 05:52:50 PM  
If there is a tard in the pond who barely needs incentive to jump on board a chance to blow up somebody's shiat i've got no problem with the USA SuperHero Teams trolling him. It's one more dickhead off the streets, on the radar and heading toward prison. Adios, arsehole. Life is sweet in AmericaVille and you could have had it good. But nooooooo, you had to monkey with the monkey. Off to the zoo with you!

Hat's off the heroes who keep us safe, fat and happy in America. Sincere thanks. I love you.
 
2012-10-17 05:53:06 PM  

jst3p: Are you really this ignorant and blindly party loyal?


No. Just think it's an extremely awkward way to say how this went down.
 
2012-10-17 05:53:42 PM  
i1097.photobucket.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-17 05:53:43 PM  

bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.


Sure it was. He would have found someone to provide a real bomb at some point.

I guess white knighting a terrorist cool if it helps get the white back into the White House.
 
2012-10-17 05:53:56 PM  

Slartibartfaster: ProfessorOhki: The question of the supplier committing a crime is trickier I guess

Should't the supplier/LEO have to prove that the suspect would have done this without being prompted to do so ?


According to the reports, Quazi Muslim traveled here intended to commit a terrorist attack and immediately started asking around for contacts and support. Some of the people he asked were FBI informants who diverted him and built a case that will get him locked up for life. I see no problem with this whatsoever.
 
2012-10-17 05:54:47 PM  

Ass Exploder: I see no problem with this whatsoever.


With a little extra effort they could have found the real suppliers.
 
2012-10-17 05:55:01 PM  

bhcompy: Spaced Cowboy: bhcompy: 12349876: bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.

If the government didn't find him and troll him, he might have been able to get a real one through some other means.

We'll never know, will we.

/of course the justice system will be okay with this bit of entrapment because who the fark needs civil liberties

Yeah, the oh so important civil liberty of being able to buy explosives and try to blow shiat up. That's a real farking keeper for a free society. Woe is me at the loss of such liberty.

Oddly enough, you still have the freedom to not blow things up. This comes with the added benefit of not going to jail for attempting to blow shiat up. Yay freedom!

The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.


Explain exactly which "liberty" of yours was trampled today.

If necessary, use the doll to point out where the bad justice man touched you.
 
2012-10-17 05:55:47 PM  
Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafism

Quasi Nazism to his friends?
 
2012-10-17 05:56:00 PM  

Treygreen13: jst3p: Are you really this ignorant and blindly party loyal?

No. Just think it's an extremely awkward way to say how this went down.


"Binders full of women" akward or "you didn't build that" akward?
 
2012-10-17 05:57:01 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Rich Cream: JusticeandIndependence: Rich Cream: That was some terrible English and that makes me think it wasn't written by anyone at CNN.

/inert explosives?

You've never heard of an inert gas?

in·ert [in-urt, ih-nurt]
adjective
1.
having no inherent power of action, motion, or resistance ( opposed to active): inert matter.
2.
Chemistry . having little or no ability to react, as nitrogen that occurs uncombined in the atmosphere.
3.
Pharmacology . having no pharmacological action, as the excipient of a pill.
4.
inactive or sluggish by habit or nature.


Point, please? If they're inert, they're not explosive.

Ahh, got it. Sorry carry on.


How about ammonium nitrate that's absorbed enough water that it can't explode? It's inert, and yet it's an explosive.
 
2012-10-17 05:58:04 PM  

Slartibartfaster: ProfessorOhki: The question of the supplier committing a crime is trickier I guess

Should't the supplier/LEO have to prove that the suspect would have done this without being prompted to do so ?


No idea. I'd hope so. In an ideal world, they'd have records of every exchange that took place with him and they'd be entered into evidence. Like I said though, no idea how these things actually work.
 
2012-10-17 05:58:46 PM  
ITT: Republicans secretly wishing it had gone through so that they could have hung it around Obama's neck, but since it didn't, refusing to acknowledge that Obama could have ever possibly had anything to do with it, while insisting Libya is still totally his fault.
 
2012-10-17 05:58:52 PM  
I just want to take a moment to say God bless our heroes for protecting our bankers.

ih2.redbubble.net
 
2012-10-17 05:59:58 PM  
Thanks for keeping us safe President Obama!
 
2012-10-17 06:00:06 PM  

Fjornir: Treygreen13: I'm sure they would. Doesn't change my question at all though.

Uhm. Wow.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present Treygreen13 as a prime example of what happens when High Schools stop teaching Civics.


I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.

Christ almighty you Farkers are sensitive.

Agents of the FBI lured some moron into going along with a stupid fake bombing plot. Not like they weren't operating before (and won't be operating after) the Obama administration to bring down potential terrorists. "On his watch" the potential idiot terrorist was foiled.
 
2012-10-17 06:00:53 PM  
gdb.rferl.org
 
2012-10-17 06:00:57 PM  

lordaction: I'm sure Obama personally did this himself, just like he killed Osama. LIberals are really reaching now. They have been watching this guy for months and arrest him the day after the debates....right. This is why Obama is dangerous, he turns everything into politics instead of just focusing on doing the right thing.


I bet you can almost count to potato.
 
2012-10-17 06:01:06 PM  
"I can't smirk to this!"

www.thestand.org
 
2012-10-17 06:01:15 PM  
The government goaded and duped another semi-willing mildly-interested nobody into becoming a "terrorist". Didn't we just have a story from and undercover informant himself on how stupid all this is?
 
2012-10-17 06:02:38 PM  
I know it's pretty hard to find a 1000 lbs bomb in an unfamiliar country but why don't you muslins stop shopping at FBICO?
 
2012-10-17 06:03:05 PM  

bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.


Quote of the day.
 
2012-10-17 06:03:18 PM  

hairywoogit: This is essentially why terrorists don't really scare me. The vast majority of them are uneducated idiots. The really smart ones direct the idiots, and end up with Bond-Villain-esque results half the time.


My theory is this. You are Al Quadea. You have a smart guy who you have been bringing up through the ranks in Kerplakistan. The type of guy who when you get on the ground, in a few weeks can put together an actual workable operation. He is bright, resourceful, and has a good, logical head on his shoulders where he isn't going to fall for the first guy off the boat who says he can sell him a truck full of plastic explosives or whatever, and also is level headed enough to keep his cool and carry through with an operation.

So you go, "hey, this guy is our next big hope. If anyone can pull it off, its him". You give him a wad of cash to get his operation going, and get him into the country.

So not wanting to screw things up, and actually execute on the plan right, the guy establishes a cover, tries to blend in.......and then being an intelligent guy with a good head on his shoulders, quickly realizes that blowing up a bus load of nuns will in the grand scheme of things, accomplish nothing aside from maybe his old village getting a couple of tomahawks lobbed its way.

So he takes his money, settles down, opens a falafel stand, finds himself a nice girl, and that is that.

So basically you are just left with the morons to do your dirty work, and they aren't going to get very far.
 
2012-10-17 06:04:08 PM  

pottie: Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.

I'm sure he has a 5 point plan


They're just blogs.
img829.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-17 06:04:46 PM  

Slartibartfaster: Snapper Carr: As I understand it, they avoid entrapment by repeatedly trying to talk the suspect out of it (I'm not sure how earnestly they try, mind you). Whether or not he goes ahead with it is left up to his choice

If they provide the materials - and the materials are not capable of the crime - is he guilty of using known incapable tools provided by the arresting forces ? What crime was committed by the perp that the supplier did not also commit ? (neither actually committed the crime, it is based on intent, but ... are they not both showing intent ?)

Thought crime ?


Essentially, the FBI avoids entrapment charges by making sure the bad guy initiates actions. He starts saying saying he is interested in being a terrorist. FBI plant says "Allahu Akhbar!" He says he wants to blow shiate up. FBI plant says "We Have Bombs!" He says I want to buy the stuff for a bomb. FBI plant says "Give us money, we get you bombs!" He then assembles the parts, and tries to push the button. FBI says "Gotcha!"

The point is, at all points, he was initiating the actions. Entrapment is when the person did not display inclination, and was prodded or lead into it, aka "You look bored. Wanna gimme 20 bucks for a bj?" "NO!" "Aw, come on, 10 bucks!" "NO!" "OK, 5 bucks and a cuppa coffee..." "OH, ok..." "Gotcha for soliciting a prostitute!" would be pure entrapment.
 
2012-10-17 06:04:47 PM  

Slartibartfaster: isn't that entrapment ?


According to the criminal complaint, this guy actually searched out and contacted someone else to try and get their assistance with a plan he already had. The person he contacted happened to be an FBI informant.

Entrapment would be if the FBI contacted someone and convinced them to commit a crime they would never otherwise commit, and then arrested them when they finally said ok.
 
2012-10-17 06:05:19 PM  
October....
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-17 06:06:48 PM  
You'd think he'd spend some time learning just what the bank does and what would happen if he carried out his plan. Then again I suspect intellectual inquiry is not his strong suit.
 
2012-10-17 06:06:51 PM  

robbiex0r: The government goaded and duped another semi-willing mildly-interested nobody into becoming a "terrorist". Didn't we just have a story from and undercover informant himself on how stupid all this is?


And not a single fark was given about the fate of Quasi Shakafakebombalama Terrorist Guy.

The point in your life when you try to buy explosives to destroy buildings full of innocent people, coerced or not, is the point at which American society says "fark you, rot in jail."

Don't like it? Move to some shiat hole third world country that is more tolerant of bombing civilians. There are still plenty of those places left in the world, if that's what you really want out of your society.
 
2012-10-17 06:09:04 PM  
There sure are some sandy vaginas today. Cut somebody's hamstring if you're acting that psychoticly.
 
xcv
2012-10-17 06:09:25 PM  
Damn from the target I assumed the suspect was a middle aged, white, Michigan Milita/sovereign citizen type.
 
2012-10-17 06:09:29 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


No, due to a strange quirk in the law the FBI is still under Gerald Ford.
 
2012-10-17 06:09:52 PM  
This would have really farked up DVD/Blu Ray sales for The Dark Knight Rises. I realize it was the stock exchange they farked with in the film and not the Fed but still.
 
2012-10-17 06:10:04 PM  
F /b/ I 

America's hero trolls.
 
2012-10-17 06:10:21 PM  

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terroristpedophile attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBIPerverted Justice and local police conned into buying fake explosivestalking sex online with someone they thought was a child and pressing a buttonshowing up with condoms and wine coolers. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedomshot teachers not being punished for banging 17-year-olds in the name of securitythe children, won't someone think of the children?!?! . The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tacticsnotion that there are sexy children on the internet looking to bang fat, old creepers, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for coverthinking about sexy, sexy children?


FTFY
 
2012-10-17 06:10:41 PM  
So the surveillance state introduced by GW Bush has paid off. Good to know.
 
2012-10-17 06:10:57 PM  
Subby...
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-17 06:10:59 PM  

LineNoise:
So you go, "hey, this guy is our next big hope. If anyone can pull it off, its him". You give him a wad of cash to get his operation going, and get him into the country.

So not wanting to screw things up, and actually execute on the plan right, the guy establishes a cover, tries to blend in.......and then being an intelligent guy with a good head on his shoulders, quickly realizes that blowing up a bus load of nuns will in the grand scheme of things, accomplish nothing aside from maybe his old village getting a couple of tomahawks lobbed its way.

So he takes his money, settles down, opens a falafel stand, finds himself a nice girl, and that is that.

So basically you are just left with the morons to do your dirty work, and they aren't going to get very far.


I recall reading somewhere that a lot of terrorist organizations have had a problem with this, actually. The guys with the real brains tend to go native. In addition, being out on the sharp end tends create appreciable attrition, so they keep the really smart guys way the hell back where they are controllable and subject to reinforcing programming 24/7.
 
2012-10-17 06:11:39 PM  

Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.


Sure you do, cupcake.
 
2012-10-17 06:11:58 PM  

skinink: Sticky Hands: You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the FBI.

[pusatbluray.com image 850x637]
Yippe kay-yay, Mr Falcon!


ivytechlibraryftwpuppets.files.wordpress.com

Yippie kay-yay, Monkey Fingers!
 
2012-10-17 06:11:58 PM  
Is there any more active terrorist organization anywhere in the world than the FBI? They certainly seem to be behind the majority of plots in the US.....
 
2012-10-17 06:11:59 PM  

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


Something something 9/11
 
2012-10-17 06:12:11 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.


Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.
 
2012-10-17 06:12:13 PM  
Its a good thing all these terrorists are too stupid to google how to make explosives themselves.
 
2012-10-17 06:12:24 PM  

organizmx: Politics aside, a sincere thank you to all the men and women who work their asses of to make sure people don't get killed. These people are true farking heros.


THIS
all of THIS
and only THIS
 
2012-10-17 06:12:39 PM  

TrekerDave: Is there any more active terrorist organization anywhere in the world than the FBI? They certainly seem to be behind the majority of plots in the US.....


The CIA. Duh.
 
2012-10-17 06:13:07 PM  

xcv: Damn from the target I assumed the suspect was a middle aged, white, Michigan Milita/sovereign citizen type.


I had no idea the OWS and many regular people in this thread are part of the Michigan Militia.
 
2012-10-17 06:13:08 PM  

Cork on Fork: Slartibartfaster: isn't that entrapment ?

According to the criminal complaint, this guy actually searched out and contacted someone else to try and get their assistance with a plan he already had. The person he contacted happened to be an FBI informant.

Entrapment would be if the FBI contacted someone and convinced them to commit a crime they would never otherwise commit, and then arrested them when they finally said ok.


i don't know if "I want to blow shiat up" really counts as a plan. I don't see how this can be a crime unless you make buying clay from the FBI a crime.
 
2012-10-17 06:13:10 PM  
Included in the evidence against him is The Lovin' Spoonfuls Greatest Hits.

/hot town...
 
2012-10-17 06:13:20 PM  

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


Am I missing irony orrrrr? Cause the US military and the FBI both fall under the executive branch - the military being part of the DoD and the FBI DoJ.
 
2012-10-17 06:13:27 PM  

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


The dude tried to detonate the bomb multiple times. At some point, as convenient as it is for the Man...well, there are real terrorists, too. Shiatty terrorists, but this guy deserved to be arrested, and needs to live in a nice padded cell for a lifetime or two.
 
2012-10-17 06:14:14 PM  

Sticky Hands: You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the FBI.

 
2012-10-17 06:14:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon: PanicMan: Gyrfalcon: rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.

Maybe anarchists staged it to look like Republicans staged it to look like liberals staged it to look like terrorists did it.

It all makes perfect sense. Almost TOO much sense. But that's only what you want us to think. Or is it??????

I want you to think whatever you think they think you don't want them to think you think.


Oh no. I'm not falling for that. I'm not going to think what they think they want me to think and er..l mean I'm not going to let them know I think what they... nevermind I'm gonna go get a beer.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-17 06:15:21 PM  
s9.postimage.org
 
2012-10-17 06:15:32 PM  

Bladel: wxboy: I would think Paul would blame the Federal Reserve for existing.

Bad guys were just trying to audit the fed.

With explosives.


*laugh* oh, lord, that's funny. I may have trouble working for the next ten minutes while I continuously giggle!
 
2012-10-17 06:15:32 PM  

Fjornir: Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-17 06:15:34 PM  
Have the freepers accused Fartbongo of staging this yet?

Has FOX?
 
2012-10-17 06:15:35 PM  

LineNoise: So basically you are just left with the morons to do your dirty work, and they aren't going to get very far.


Yeah, but it's even worse than the way you outlined it, because most of the really committed jihadis have an extremely poor education, because they were indoctrinated in absurdly religious schools. Picture the most extreme backward Christian homeschoolers, with their "evilution" and 6,000 year earth crap. This is way beyond that. They believe devoutly that Allah will reward them with virgins in the afterlife, and they have no idea what the difference between current and voltage is or nitrates or nitrites or radioactivity or explosives. They could be intelligent, but they are so backward and so steeped in nonsense that real knowledge won't stick to their brains. So trying to teach them about advanced weapons and bomb making is farking hopeless. They end up going to an FBI informant because there's no one else in their network who isn't completely over their head when it comes to blowing shiat up. They are probably puzzled and confused even watching an episode of mythbusters.

It's weird trying to teach someone really simple basic stuff when they come from a culture that completely embraces credulity and ignorance. You have a lot of adults in places like Bangladesh or Sudan or Indonesia that can't grasp stuff that 6 year olds in China, America, Spain, India, etc have no problem with. It's not everyone, and has absolutely nothing to do with race.
 
2012-10-17 06:15:43 PM  

Lostkacz: [bristle.files.wordpress.com image 500x213]


so we are missing die hard 2 and die hard 4 references

somebody get on that

/previous post was supposed to be a pic of Hans Grueber, but fark you fark you farking farkity fark
 
2012-10-17 06:18:22 PM  

Alonjar: Its a good thing all these terrorists are too stupid to google how to make explosives themselves.


Quality explosives are very hard to make safely. Large scale explosives are extremely hard to make without getting caught, as most of the really effective stuff that can be had on the cheap (fertilizer, etc) is now watched. In addition, most people who attempt to make bombs are taking a very high risk of turning themselves into charcoal briquettes or red paste via some form of manufacturing mistake, thus morons who attempt to buy or procure bombs via the 'nets.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-17 06:18:27 PM  

lordaction: I'm sure Obama personally did this himself, just like he killed Osama. LIberals are really reaching now. They have been watching this guy for months and arrest him the day after the debates....right. This is why Obama is dangerous, he turns everything into politics instead of just focusing on doing the right thing.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

The derp is strong in this one...
 
2012-10-17 06:19:00 PM  
I like the McClane Sandwich Board meme. It would go well with the Sad Keanu Reeves meme.
 
2012-10-17 06:19:10 PM  
And subby to be blamed for being a troll.
 
2012-10-17 06:19:56 PM  

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


^
 
2012-10-17 06:20:01 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.


So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.
 
xcv
2012-10-17 06:20:09 PM  

USP .45: xcv: Damn from the target I assumed the suspect was a middle aged, white, Michigan Milita/sovereign citizen type.

I had no idea the OWS and many regular people in this thread are part of the Michigan Militia.


I thought he planned to use a bomb in the attack, not a drum circle?
 
2012-10-17 06:20:23 PM  

lordaction: I'm sure Obama personally did this himself, just like he killed Osama. LIberals are really reaching now. They have been watching this guy for months and arrest him the day after the debates....right. This is why Obama is dangerous, he turns everything into politics instead of just focusing on doing the right thing.


Can you douchebags call off the dogs and stop politicizing every Goddamned thing for 2 minutes?
 
2012-10-17 06:20:54 PM  
You mean federal agents entrapped a sucker like the last time?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terr o rist_bombing.html
 
2012-10-17 06:21:50 PM  
ooo
csb time

worked for the FED back in the mid 90's - was told there was never an outside attempt on a FED RESERVE - there was once an employee that dared another to hack it & take $1 mil even, just to show that he could. after he did, the FED agreed to not prosecute as long as he showed them how he did it.

/most boring job ever ever ever ever - but still kind of cool
//csb
 
2012-10-17 06:22:55 PM  

mizchief: So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.


You don't even have to ask for drugs to get arrested. An undercover cop can offer you drugs and if you accept you can get arrested. Same with prostitution. Somehow that's not entrapment.
 
2012-10-17 06:22:58 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Have the freepers accused Fartbongo of staging this yet?



Close. The prevailing 'thought' on freerepublic is that a Muslim did this -for- Obama as an October surprise because ISLAM=genocide.

Yes, that's all straight from their thread on the topic no exaggeration on my part.
 
2012-10-17 06:23:07 PM  
Quazi is 21?
What the fark can a 21 year old do?
Was this kid a serious risk?

"Washington's enemy 'doesn't exist'"
 
2012-10-17 06:24:22 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Have the freepers accused Fartbongo of staging this yet?


Kidding? They broke several fingers trying to out-crush each other about Barry Soetero on their blogs.
 
2012-10-17 06:24:44 PM  
Where did the guy learn how to construct a bomb? I'm assuming he had a test bomb then ramped up the scale (which would be where the gov't tainted his components).

But he still knew how to make a bomb and a detonator.
 
2012-10-17 06:25:33 PM  

astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.


They do the same thing with pedophiles, i don't have any problem with this strategy. Because if the FBI doesn't answer their outreach, someone will, and that someone may not be posing as a 12 year old girl or that person may not be selling playdough.
 
2012-10-17 06:25:59 PM  
Geeze, they give these idiot terrorists fake bombs, like once a month. I'm certainly happy they aren't very bright, good job federal agents!
 
2012-10-17 06:27:33 PM  

Fjornir: TrekerDave: Is there any more active terrorist organization anywhere in the world than the FBI? They certainly seem to be behind the majority of plots in the US.....

The CIA. Duh.


No love for the State Department?

Remember when the State Department was criticized for being full of "Arabists"? Now that it's full of neocons.....*crickets*
 
2012-10-17 06:27:48 PM  

Ambivalence: OMG they didn't just catch the guy, they totally trolled him. "Oh sure these are explosives, not modeling clay"


They did that here in Cleveland back in March. Couple of anarchist types from Occupy Wall Street thought they were buying enough plastic explosives to take out a bridge. It was modeling clay.
 
2012-10-17 06:28:11 PM  
Which youtube video will this administration blame for this one?
 
2012-10-17 06:29:37 PM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.


Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"
 
2012-10-17 06:30:13 PM  

asmodeus224: astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.

They do the same thing with pedophiles, i don't have any problem with this strategy. Because if the FBI doesn't answer their outreach, someone will, and that someone may not be posing as a 12 year old girl or that person may not be selling playdough.



Are you saying this 21 year old Arab kid could get his hands on explosives?
 
2012-10-17 06:30:46 PM  

tricycleracer: When the pair arrived at the warehouse, Nafis began putting together what he thought was a 1,000-pound bomb inside the van. Then they drove together to the target: The New York Federal Reserve Bank. As they drove, he armed the purported by putting together the detonator and the explosives, the criminal complaint says.

The van was then parked next to the bank. The pair went to a nearby hotel, where Nafis apparently recorded a video statement meant to be shown to the American public in connection with the attack.

"We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom," he said, according to the criminal complaint.

He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

Nafis was then arrested.

This is like Chris Hansen telling you to bring condoms and Smirnoff Ice with you to the 12 year old girl's house. You just shot reasonable doubt in the head and are now throwing grenades at your entrapment and coercion defense.


Agreed. You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

The average violently venting person would stop all communication with the connection after realizing they were serious, a minor amount would get some more info then call the proper athorities, then theres violent individuals like this terrorist that want to walk the walk.

/deserves whatever they get
//wish theyd do this to potential school shooters
 
2012-10-17 06:31:08 PM  

mizchief: So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.


If you try to sell a KG of powdered sugar as cocaine, you will be charged and prosecuted as selling a KG of cocaine, even though it was just sugar.

/Thats how the law works *shrug*
 
2012-10-17 06:31:10 PM  

Mrbogey: Which youtube video will this administration blame for this one?


Bangnan Style
 
2012-10-17 06:31:26 PM  

mizchief: Cork on Fork: Slartibartfaster: isn't that entrapment ?

According to the criminal complaint, this guy actually searched out and contacted someone else to try and get their assistance with a plan he already had. The person he contacted happened to be an FBI informant.

Entrapment would be if the FBI contacted someone and convinced them to commit a crime they would never otherwise commit, and then arrested them when they finally said ok.

i don't know if "I want to blow shiat up" really counts as a plan. I don't see how this can be a crime unless you make buying clay from the FBI a crime.


Read the criminal complaint here: cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/nafis-complaint.pdf

Obviously, that is only one side of what happened... but based on the allegations, this went far beyond just "wanting" to do something. He formulated a specific plan and was recruiting people to make it happen. All the FBI did (according to the info. in the complaint) was provide him with (he thought) the materials he otherwise didn't know how to obtain (but surely could have with more time/effort).
 
2012-10-17 06:32:19 PM  
While it is, indeed, a very strange moment to try and do this, it is also the most fortuitous, if it would've performed right.

Imagine the unbelievable shiatstorm it would've become if the bomb would've blown up: First off, there goes the election for Obama; second, there would be panic in the streets because people would actually be too afraid to vote.

If anything, it was the good timing to sow chaos.
 
2012-10-17 06:32:41 PM  
Pfft, that guy is not a terrorist. At best he is a quazi-terrorist. Nothing to see here, move along.
 
2012-10-17 06:32:44 PM  

astouffer: Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling.



If you would RTFA you'd know that the guy built the bomb. All he needed help with was getting a hold of the explosive materials. He put the bomb together. He parked it in a van outside the Fed. He recorded a video talking about why he was doing it. He then tried to set it off.

All this @sshole needed was the explosives part. If he hadn't stumbled into an FBI informant, he probably would have succeeded. So fark him and good for the FBI. It's also a bonus to national security for these d!ckheads to be scared shiatless that the dude they met at their neighborhood mosque might be on the FBI's payroll. Kind of makes it hard to put this shiat together.
 
2012-10-17 06:32:53 PM  
Nafis wrote that he wanted to 'destroy America' and that he believed the most efficient way to accomplish this goal was to target America's economy,

cosmiccomicslv.com

already been tried, in a sense.
 
2012-10-17 06:33:16 PM  

Vectron: you saying this 21 year old Arab kid could get his hands on explosives?


Even on his underwear.
 
2012-10-17 06:33:18 PM  

Mrbogey: Which youtube video will this administration blame for this one?


Free Republic Copypasta tasting pretty good?
 
2012-10-17 06:33:30 PM  

hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.


If the Obamaites were staging something, they'd pick a McVeigh type, not a Middle-Easterner. Better fit to the "we can't trust anybody so we have to TSA all your asses" narrative.
 
2012-10-17 06:34:12 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.


No no no no. The LIBERALS staged it to make it look like us Republicans staged it to make it
look like the liberals staged it...

Wait...what...?

Head...hurts...must...not...divide...by...

picsthatdontsuck.com
 
2012-10-17 06:34:40 PM  
And the moral of the story is when obtaining weapons of mass destruction from the internet, always make sure the explosives work.
 
2012-10-17 06:35:41 PM  
1-media-cdn.foolz.us

/ya'll slipping
 
2012-10-17 06:35:59 PM  

ultraholland: Nafis wrote that he wanted to 'destroy America' and that he believed the most efficient way to accomplish this goal was to target America's economy,



If bringing down the WTC didn't destroy America, blowing the facade off the Federal Reserve building isn't going to farking do it either. These religious toolbags live in a fantasy world.
 
2012-10-17 06:36:07 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: And the moral of the story is when obtaining weapons of mass destruction from the internet, always make sure the explosives work.


And test them on cantaloupes and watermelons.
 
2012-10-17 06:36:36 PM  
"Evil doer"

almost makes one nostalgic.
 
2012-10-17 06:36:38 PM  
papundits.files.wordpress.com

Shhh... [whispers] October surprise!
 
2012-10-17 06:36:46 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: ultraholland: Nafis wrote that he wanted to 'destroy America' and that he believed the most efficient way to accomplish this goal was to target America's economy,


If bringing down the WTC didn't destroy America, blowing the facade off the Federal Reserve building isn't going to farking do it either. These religious toolbags live in a fantasy world.


Well, it did destroy personal freedom for US citizens.
 
2012-10-17 06:36:48 PM  
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: And the moral of the story is when obtaining weapons of mass destruction from the internet, always make sure the explosives work.

I was wondering if somewhere along the way they didn't have a mini trial run in the middle of nowhere.
 
2012-10-17 06:37:09 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: uncleacid: The Feds supplied him with everything. Story over.

Not really.

If I gave you a bunch of plastic explosive would you be able to drive to the Home Depot and purchase the proper gear to turn that into a bomb that can be remotely detonated?

He claims to have come to the USA in order to blow shiat up, and it seems likely that someone gave him training in how to make things go "boom".


Ummm.

What the hell, I am on enough lists anyway.

I could go to home depot and do that. Radio shack is better tho.

/has not had specific training.
//difficulty coould be incresed by actual "detonator" used to trigger (ie blast cap, or other)
 
2012-10-17 06:37:46 PM  

Somacandra: Mrbogey: Which youtube video will this administration blame for this one?

Free Republic Copypasta tasting pretty good?



We can take one out of the Dick Cheney playbook and falsely hang it all on Iraq. We could re-invade them and high-five the forces we left behind when we re-enter Baghdad.
 
2012-10-17 06:38:53 PM  

CygnusDarius: Well, it did destroy personal freedom for US citizens.



Somehow I doubt Al Qaeda uses that in their recruiting videos, though.
 
2012-10-17 06:39:03 PM  

Somacandra: Free Republic Copypasta tasting pretty good?


Free republic isn't a youtube vid. Though I suppose the public will buy it for a few days like they did last time.
 
2012-10-17 06:39:09 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"


And what exactly is that difference?
 
2012-10-17 06:39:10 PM  

hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.


If the Hovitos knew we were here, they would have killed us already.
 
2012-10-17 06:39:14 PM  
shower_in_my_socks: If bringing down the WTC didn't destroy America, blowing the facade off the Federal Reserve building isn't going to farking do it either. These religious toolbags live in a fantasy world.

yeah, but let's say the US is a farked up game of Jenga: bringing those towers was a block being removed by a very shaky hand.

/what?
 
2012-10-17 06:41:55 PM  

asmodeus224: astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.

They do the same thing with pedophiles, i don't have any problem with this strategy. Because if the FBI doesn't answer their outreach, someone will, and that someone may not be posing as a 12 year old girl or that person may not be selling playdough.


I encourage you to think about that for 5 more seconds. Maybe the FBI should pose as BUYERS and then try to catch the people that respond with actual explosives for sell if that if your concern.
 
2012-10-17 06:42:11 PM  

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


This has got to be my favorite quote of this thread. It sums up the outrage of the ignorant quite succinctly.
 
2012-10-17 06:42:22 PM  
It's another one of these "plots" where everybody in the "terror cell" except one guy is an FBI agent. Then they publicize the hell out of the arrest with breathless excitement and certainty that this moron really might have done something on his own.
 
2012-10-17 06:42:32 PM  
fc03.deviantart.net
 
2012-10-17 06:43:47 PM  
How convenient. The timing is almost uncanny.
 
2012-10-17 06:44:47 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: [fc03.deviantart.net image 850x440]


It took 268 posts before someone posted that. Shame on us all.
 
2012-10-17 06:46:09 PM  
I'm far more scared of the DoJ, FBI, DEA, etc etc than I am of any terrorist.
 
2012-10-17 06:47:05 PM  
The Racist overseer will be the next president after a courageous man took the stage, spoke for for all, and said, in short, "Even though the KKK has no place in politics anymore, they wish me away and let us cling to the 1950's. I'll go quietly!." We all really hate freedom to worship, love, eat, and tend to our lives like the BIll of Rights laid out in the preamble. What a load of crap amirite? Vote Romney, because you are scared of anything you didn't hear about in the Dukes of Hazard! Vote early, vote often, and tell everyone else the date's been moved up a week!
 
2012-10-17 06:47:10 PM  
Treygreen13

The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Thou shalt not question the obamessiah. Any good news is due to him, any bad is "boooosh's fault"
 
2012-10-17 06:47:39 PM  
Did it smell like peanut butter?

It would be funny if he realized what was going on and found another source for some real explosives and switched them with the fake. But then I guess he would probably fall onto a pile of bullets after that rather than have to deal with the paperwork and explanations.
 
2012-10-17 06:48:56 PM  

Launch Code: So I guess obama grabbed a nightstick, some cuffs and handled things. Just like he handled bin laden. Shame he wasn't able to handle the terrorists that overran our embassy, killed 4 Americans and slaughtered an Ambassador. Oh right that wasn't terrorists, it was angry movie critics. That was Hillary's fault anyway, stupid girls.


How do you propose an American President handle these situations? Are you suggesting that GW Bush would have been in the vanguard of the OBL raid, bullets blazing? Dude was afraid to go to Nam.

Idiot.
 
2012-10-17 06:49:04 PM  

Fjornir: Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.

Sure you do, cupcake.


I do. And my point here is that the FBI should be finding idiot terrorists like this and bringing them in regardless of who is in charge.

Our guy (Obama) doesn't need to convince me that he is capable - I already think he's doing a great job and he'll be getting my vote. My first vote for a Democrat for President. I don't want people to go rah-rah when something that is supposed to happen regularly does. And when the FBI announces they've tracked down a terrorist and arrested him, I don't wonder which president did that. I say, "Oh, good" and move on with my life instead of trying to make it a part of a presidential administration.

And I frankly don't care what Republicans say about it because I no longer identify with that dumpster-fire of a party. So pre-emptive politicizing what should rightfully be a routine process by the FBI is sickening to me.
 
2012-10-17 06:50:03 PM  

LookForTheArrow: The Racist overseer will be the next president after a courageous man took the stage, spoke for for all, and said, in short, "Even though the KKK has no place in politics anymore, they wish me away and let us cling to the 1950's. I'll go quietly!." We all really hate freedom to worship, love, eat, and tend to our lives like the BIll of Rights laid out in the preamble. What a load of crap amirite? Vote Romney, because you are scared of anything you didn't hear about in the Dukes of Hazard! Vote early, vote often, and tell everyone else the date's been moved up a week!


lol wut
 
2012-10-17 06:51:21 PM  

keepitcherry: I'm far more scared of the DoJ, FBI, DEA, etc etc than I am of any terrorist.


Add I.R.S. and let's have a beer.
 
2012-10-17 06:54:17 PM  
What bomb making equipment might look like.

susans140plus.com
 
2012-10-17 06:54:33 PM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?


What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust this needs no further clarification.
 
2012-10-17 06:55:43 PM  

Treygreen13: Fjornir: Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.

Sure you do, cupcake.

I do. And my point here is that the FBI should be finding idiot terrorists like this and bringing them in regardless of who is in charge.

Our guy (Obama) doesn't need to convince me that he is capable - I already think he's doing a great job and he'll be getting my vote. My first vote for a Democrat for President. I don't want people to go rah-rah when something that is supposed to happen regularly does. And when the FBI announces they've tracked down a terrorist and arrested him, I don't wonder which president did that. I say, "Oh, good" and move on with my life instead of trying to make it a part of a presidential administration.

And I frankly don't care what Republicans say about it because I no longer identify with that dumpster-fire of a party. So pre-emptive politicizing what should rightfully be a routine process by the FBI is sickening to me.


I agree, though I'm not voting for Obama. Going all "Rah rah" for the president because federal agencies that are going to do this regardless of who is in charge* is kind of like giving out gold stars and awards for showing up to work. I didn't realize that we held press conferences and awards shows for this shiat now. Wake me up when Obama himself jumps out of Airforce One and personally beats down a terrorist while single-handedly defusing a bomb. Then I'll be impressed.

* - Unless it's a terrorist sympathizer.
 
2012-10-17 06:56:44 PM  

pute kisses like a man: ProfessorOhki: The "explosives that he allegedly sought and attempted to use had been rendered inoperable by law enforcement and posed no threat to the public," according to a statement from U.S. Attorney Loretta E. Lynch.

Couldn't you guys have used something that wasn't originally actual explosives? I mean, I'm sure you do good work and all, but how embarrassing would THAT be, you know?

hopefully, it is never the case that a clever bomberman, who buys all his materials from the feds, then secretly does whatever needs to be done to make them work... while the feds are waiting for him to set off the dummy explosion... boom.

I assume they gave him materials that could not have been exploded whatsoever. like, it was 1000 lbs of fertilizer, which mysteriously had no nitrogen in it, or whatever makes certain fertilizers prone to bomb making


Probably 1000 pounds of white powder borrowed from the DEA's evidence room.
Everyone had a good laugh about it when the 100lbs of powder was returned.
 
2012-10-17 06:57:00 PM  

Sticky Hands: You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the FBI.


Applause!
 
2012-10-17 06:58:02 PM  
I think this provides a deterrent because it seems fairly obvious that 9 out of 10 people in Ney York who are saying "Death to America" are actually FBI agents hoping to snare a sucker.

On a related note, I wonder how many "terror plots" that we don't hear abut because they are just two agents trolling each other.
 
2012-10-17 06:59:16 PM  
So, what's the pool for "how long until the right wing blames OWS?" up to?

Because, I'll take 12:00-1:00 tomorrow afternoon. Gotta give Rush time to fart out the talking point for the derp legion to suck right up and snowball it around.
 
2012-10-17 07:00:20 PM  

Kit Fister: Treygreen13: Fjornir: Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.

Sure you do, cupcake.

I do. And my point here is that the FBI should be finding idiot terrorists like this and bringing them in regardless of who is in charge.

Our guy (Obama) doesn't need to convince me that he is capable - I already think he's doing a great job and he'll be getting my vote. My first vote for a Democrat for President. I don't want people to go rah-rah when something that is supposed to happen regularly does. And when the FBI announces they've tracked down a terrorist and arrested him, I don't wonder which president did that. I say, "Oh, good" and move on with my life instead of trying to make it a part of a presidential administration.

And I frankly don't care what Republicans say about it because I no longer identify with that dumpster-fire of a party. So pre-emptive politicizing what should rightfully be a routine process by the FBI is sickening to me.

I agree, though I'm not voting for Obama. Going all "Rah rah" for the president because federal agencies that are going to do this regardless of who is in charge* is kind of like giving out gold stars and awards for showing up to work. I didn't realize that we held press conferences and awards shows for this shiat now. Wake me up when Obama himself jumps out of Airforce One and personally beats down a terrorist while single-handedly defusing a bomb. Then I'll be impressed.

* - Unless it's a terrorist sympathizer.


Presidential election cycle- rah-rahs for all. Sort of like "awards day" in Ms. Kravtz's third grade class- noone goes home empty handed.
 
2012-10-17 07:00:22 PM  
Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis.

How about not letting any more in the country? We have enough. Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.
 
2012-10-17 07:00:25 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust this needs no further clarification.


Attempted murder is a crime. Stabbing someone is assault with a deadly weapon which has a clear victim so it's also a legit crime. You seem to be missing your own point.
 
2012-10-17 07:01:15 PM  

Treygreen13: Fjornir: Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.

Sure you do, cupcake.

I do. And my point here is that the FBI should be finding idiot terrorists like this and bringing them in regardless of who is in charge.

Our guy (Obama) doesn't need to convince me that he is capable - I already think he's doing a great job and he'll be getting my vote. My first vote for a Democrat for President. I don't want people to go rah-rah when something that is supposed to happen regularly does. And when the FBI announces they've tracked down a terrorist and arrested him, I don't wonder which president did that. I say, "Oh, good" and move on with my life instead of trying to make it a part of a presidential administration.

And I frankly don't care what Republicans say about it because I no longer identify with that dumpster-fire of a party. So pre-emptive politicizing what should rightfully be a routine process by the FBI is sickening to me.


That metaphor made me laugh for some reason.
 
2012-10-17 07:03:35 PM  
Interesting choice of target. If it succeeded some farkers would accuse OWS or someone similar of doing it and in a panic people would vote for Romney.
They saved the day in more ways than one.

I still look forward to this thread, though.
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-17 07:03:59 PM  
I remember when I thought who was president made a difference.
 
2012-10-17 07:04:14 PM  
tha romney plan is the greatest plan of them alll.

one plan. to rule them AL!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-17 07:04:53 PM  

Treygreen13: Fjornir: Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.

Sure you do, cupcake.

I do. And my point here is that the FBI should be finding idiot terrorists like this and bringing them in regardless of who is in charge.

Our guy (Obama) doesn't need to convince me that he is capable - I already think he's doing a great job and he'll be getting my vote. My first vote for a Democrat for President. I don't want people to go rah-rah when something that is supposed to happen regularly does. And when the FBI announces they've tracked down a terrorist and arrested him, I don't wonder which president did that. I say, "Oh, good" and move on with my life instead of trying to make it a part of a presidential administration.

And I frankly don't care what Republicans say about it because I no longer identify with that dumpster-fire of a party. So pre-emptive politicizing what should rightfully be a routine process by the FBI is sickening to me.


Actually misread that bolded bit as "Dumpster-fire of a potty", which would be accurate were it not an insult to the toilet :D
 
2012-10-17 07:05:17 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: tha romney plan is the greatest plan of them alll.

one plan. to rule them AL!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x281]


Dafuq are you talking about?
 
2012-10-17 07:05:56 PM  

browntimmy: Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis

Wow, let's just shorten that to Q-Dog.


Quazi "Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii" is just as long but much more memorable.
 
2012-10-17 07:06:07 PM  
Don't expect another one of these.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-17 07:07:12 PM  

pute kisses like a man: which mysteriously had no nitrogen in it, or whatever makes certain fertilizers prone to bomb making


It would be the nitrogen compounds. Nitrogen compounds like to go boom, and the more nitrogen atoms linked together the more it goes boom and the more it wants to go boom. There are some that unless you make them under very controlled circumstances will go boom the second they're made.
 
2012-10-17 07:07:32 PM  

pxlboy: Treygreen13: Fjornir: Treygreen13: I understand how the FBI functions in the Department of Justice.

Sure you do, cupcake.

I do. And my point here is that the FBI should be finding idiot terrorists like this and bringing them in regardless of who is in charge.

Our guy (Obama) doesn't need to convince me that he is capable - I already think he's doing a great job and he'll be getting my vote. My first vote for a Democrat for President. I don't want people to go rah-rah when something that is supposed to happen regularly does. And when the FBI announces they've tracked down a terrorist and arrested him, I don't wonder which president did that. I say, "Oh, good" and move on with my life instead of trying to make it a part of a presidential administration.

And I frankly don't care what Republicans say about it because I no longer identify with that dumpster-fire of a party. So pre-emptive politicizing what should rightfully be a routine process by the FBI is sickening to me.

That metaphor made me laugh for some reason.


4.bp.blogspot.com

RNC- we know how to party! Disco Inferno!
 
2012-10-17 07:07:42 PM  

mizchief: Jon iz teh kewl: tha romney plan is the greatest plan of them alll.

one plan. to rule them AL!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x281]

Dafuq are you talking about?


All you need to know is that Jon is always high.
 
2012-10-17 07:08:32 PM  

Vectron: Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.


How does one engage in a war on a mindset?
 
2012-10-17 07:09:32 PM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust this needs no further clari ...


Someone here is missing the point, that's for damn sure. Perhaps you should try something a little easier.
 
2012-10-17 07:10:35 PM  
It's too bad he failed.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-10-17 07:10:51 PM  

Slartibartfaster: 12349876: If the government didn't find him and troll him

isn't that entrapment ?


Consider it an "IQ sieve."

Forget which Farker came up with that term the other day.
Tip O' the Hat to him/her anyway.
 
2012-10-17 07:11:00 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Vectron: Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.

How does one engage in a war on a mindset?


by destroying minds.
 
2012-10-17 07:12:39 PM  

Sticky Hands: mizchief: Jon iz teh kewl: tha romney plan is the greatest plan of them alll.

one plan. to rule them AL!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x281]

Dafuq are you talking about?

All you need to know is that Jon is always high.


Ahh, makes sense. Right on brother!
 
2012-10-17 07:14:04 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust this needs no fur ...


So then i guess you don't have an explanation? Other than fluffing yourself, don't see much in the way of a response.
 
2012-10-17 07:14:15 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Vectron: Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.

How does one engage in a war on a mindset?


I'm hoping the moratorium will last at least as long as the war on eastasia
 
2012-10-17 07:16:19 PM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust th ...


I've explained it to you twice already. It's not my up to me to explain the difference between desire and action with regard to legality. If you can't grasp that, you don't belong here. You're simply not intelligent enough to be in this discussion given your current lack of understanding on topics that most 7 year old children could clearly understand.
 
2012-10-17 07:17:08 PM  

Mart Laar's beard shaver: Must be the Tea Party. Or the Buddhists.

The election's already over. Fark libs just doesn't recognize it. LOL (the smart party)

Thanks for playing.

[diplomatdc.files.wordpress.com image 398x600]


Obama made contact with an extra-terrestrial? What else is he hiding?
 
2012-10-17 07:17:58 PM  
The van was then parked next to the bank. The pair went to a nearby hotel, where Nafis apparently recorded a video statement meant to be shown to the American public in connection with the attack.

"We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom," he said, according to the criminal complaint.

He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

Nafis was then arrested.


Lulz. Think they have video of that? Could be amusing watching that dipshiat be all confused about why his bomb isn't going off.
 
2012-10-17 07:19:11 PM  
Sticky Hands: WhyteRaven74: Vectron: Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.

How does one engage in a war on a mindset?

by destroying minds.


what if they're dangerous minds?
 
kab
2012-10-17 07:20:23 PM  
You know who else was thwarted by faulty explosives?

c356309.r9.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2012-10-17 07:20:40 PM  

bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.


Jack Bauer'd isn't appropriate. Instead the fed would have to "subject the bomb to enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding with 3 seconds left.
 
2012-10-17 07:22:00 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Mart Laar's beard shaver: Must be the Tea Party. Or the Buddhists.

The election's already over. Fark libs just doesn't recognize it. LOL (the smart party)

Thanks for playing.

[diplomatdc.files.wordpress.com image 398x600]

Obama made contact with an extra-terrestrial? What else is he hiding?


His magic time machine, of course.
 
2012-10-17 07:24:49 PM  

bhcompy: 12349876: bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.

If the government didn't find him and troll him, he might have been able to get a real one through some other means.

We'll never know, will we.

/of course the justice system will be okay with this bit of entrapment because who the fark needs civil liberties


8/10. I'm sure you got lotsa bites.
 
2012-10-17 07:25:12 PM  


Hey baby, I will love you...
i2.cdn.turner.com
... to itty bitty pieces.



Gotta admit, that's one sexy looking terrorist.
 
2012-10-17 07:25:26 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: f you would RTFA you'd know that the guy built the bomb. All he needed help with was getting a hold of the explosive materials. He put the bomb together. He parked it in a van outside the Fed. He recorded a video talking about why he was doing it. He then tried to set it off.


A bomb without explosives is not a bomb. Any kid with basic electronic knowledge can build a timer or some delay in detonation. So again I state that he could not figure out on his own how to get the explosives. If you have to ask these questions then you won't be very successful.
 
2012-10-17 07:26:06 PM  
Liberal Fascism smells like Conservative fascism.

demonocracy.info


122.1 Trillion Dollars

$122,100,000,000,000. - US unfunded liabilities by Dec 31, 2012.
Abovet you can see the pillar of cold hard $100 bills that dwarfs the
WTC & Empire State Building - both at one point world's tallest buildings.
If you look carefully you can see the Statue of Liberty.

The 122.1 Trillion dollar super-skyscraper wall is the amount of money the U.S. Government
knows it does not have to fully fund the Medicare, Medicare Prescription Drug Program,
Social Security, Military and civil servant pensions. It is the money USA knows it will not
have to pay all its bills.
If you live in USA this is also your personal credit card bill; you are responsible along with
everyone else to pay this back. The citizens of USA created the U.S. Government to serve
them, this is what the U.S. Government has done while serving The People.

The unfunded liability is calculated on current tax and funding inputs, and future demographic
shifts in US Population.

Note: On the above 122.1T image the size of the bases of the money stacks are $10 billion, and 400 stories @ $4 trillion

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." - Thomas Jefferson

Everyone needs to see this.

Source: Federal Reserve & www.USdebtclock.org - visit it to see the debt in real time and get a better grasp of this amazing number.


Above graphic and info found at http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html
 
2012-10-17 07:26:50 PM  
So it's ok to show a picture of Quazi Mohammad but not the Full Mohammed?
 
2012-10-17 07:28:30 PM  

Abner Doon: The van was then parked next to the bank. The pair went to a nearby hotel, where Nafis apparently recorded a video statement meant to be shown to the American public in connection with the attack.

"We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom," he said, according to the criminal complaint.

He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

Nafis was then arrested.

Lulz. Think they have video of that? Could be amusing watching that dipshiat be all confused about why his bomb isn't going off.


Yakkity sax soundtrack?
 
2012-10-17 07:29:14 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. ...


Ok cool, just making sure you didn't have anything useful to say someone may benefit from.
 
2012-10-17 07:31:48 PM  
Only thing Obama ever prevented was an economic recovery. He willingly threw Hillary under the bus. What a coward.
 
kab
2012-10-17 07:32:03 PM  
And suddenly the glass parking lot brigade is screaming 'entrapment'?

Damn, the endless vats of stupid on this site never ever get boring.
 
2012-10-17 07:32:24 PM  

randomizetimer: Liberal Fascism smells like Conservative fascism.

[demonocracy.info image 850x1460]


122.1 Trillion Dollars

$122,100,000,000,000. - US unfunded liabilities by Dec 31, 2012.
Abovet you can see the pillar of cold hard $100 bills that dwarfs the
WTC & Empire State Building - both at one point world's tallest buildings.
If you look carefully you can see the Statue of Liberty.

The 122.1 Trillion dollar super-skyscraper wall is the amount of money the U.S. Government
knows it does not have to fully fund the Medicare, Medicare Prescription Drug Program,
Social Security, Military and civil servant pensions. It is the money USA knows it will not
have to pay all its bills.
If you live in USA this is also your personal credit card bill; you are responsible along with
everyone else to pay this back. The citizens of USA created the U.S. Government to serve
them, this is what the U.S. Government has done while serving The People.

The unfunded liability is calculated on current tax and funding inputs, and future demographic
shifts in US Population.

Note: On the above 122.1T image the size of the bases of the money stacks are $10 billion, and 400 stories @ $4 trillion

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." - Thomas Jefferson

Everyone needs to see this.

Source: Federal Reserve & www.USdebtclock.org - visit it to see the debt in real time and get a better grasp of this amazing number.

Above graphic and info found at http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html


Wait, you're telling me that the government doesn't get enough in taxes in one year to pay for social security and medicare for 100 years? I'm voting for Romney now.
 
2012-10-17 07:33:04 PM  

legalgus: Only thing Obama ever prevented was an economic recovery.


The private sector of course has no blame for the state of the economy right?
 
2012-10-17 07:34:39 PM  

cman: It's good that a terrorist plot was averted. If you like Obama or not, his guys were on the ball. Can't we just leave it at that?


I simply don't understand why we can't even celebrate a good thing if there's a chance to take a cheap partisan shot (see: OBL).

When people nay-say a certain event because the president is of a certain party, that's my cue to stop talking and back away slowly. That, or throw a punch. I'm not necessarily referring to this event (it could be argued that the crime was manufactured), but in general I'm tired of pissant little turds thinking so little of their country that they can't even enjoy a nice victory.
 
2012-10-17 07:36:12 PM  
i didn't see obama mentioned in the article. maybe he was the undercover agent. they never give out those names.
that's probably it.
 
2012-10-17 07:36:40 PM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...


Do you have to wear a helmet to post?
 
2012-10-17 07:36:41 PM  

astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.


Oh, now. No man is an island. Everyone needs a little help being a terrorist sometimes.

/no shame in it
 
2012-10-17 07:36:52 PM  

skinink: pottie: Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.

I'm sure he has a 5 point plan

Which will take six points to outline.


There are exactly seven things I'm upset about.
 
2012-10-17 07:38:05 PM  

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.
 
2012-10-17 07:38:15 PM  

jigger: So it's ok to show a picture of Quazi Mohammad but not the Full Mohammed?


Never go full Mohammad.
 
2012-10-17 07:38:23 PM  

Kuroshin: skinink: pottie: Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.

I'm sure he has a 5 point plan

Which will take six points to outline.

There are exactly seven things I'm upset about.


I'll come in again.
 
2012-10-17 07:42:28 PM  
I'm very glad they caught Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, but worried that the real Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis might still be on the loose.
 
2012-10-17 07:42:53 PM  
i1172.photobucket.com
wait wait wait, this was an attempted terror attack? not a favor? pic not related.
 
2012-10-17 07:45:08 PM  
astouffer: A bomb without explosives is not a bomb. Any kid with basic electronic knowledge can build a timer or some delay in detonation. So again I state that he could not figure out on his own how to get the explosives. If you have to ask these questions then you won't be very successful.

Your reasoning suggests that murder-for-hire isn't much of a crime.
 
2012-10-17 07:46:58 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. ...


How about: Fantasize about blowing shiat up? legal. Trying to actually do it? Not so legal.
Still very hard to prove intent or prosecute for it.
That's why shoplifters are generally apprehended outside the store after they commit the crime. No law about carrying an item around- no way of clearly determining the intent of theft as the perp could abandon his plans along the way. Once you walk out the door without paying, it's pretty clear you intend on not paying.

In this case- fantasy about blowing up a federal building is creepy but not really criminal. Threatening to do so would be a crime, but probably carry minimal penalty. Allowing the perp to carry the crime out from planning to actual execution removes all doubt of intent.

What about sting operations? Legally questionable as the perp is afforded an opportunity to commit a crime that he may not have had the courage or means to carry out on his own. However, the perp may be offered opportunities to bail on his plans. In doing so- you establish intent or remorse, freewill vs collusion, etc.

I imagine a john deciding to walk rather than pay up front for sex (during a prostitution sting) may show intent but an unwillingness to carry out the crime. case dismissed.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:25 PM  

CravenMorehead: Would have been nice if they had nabbed him BEFORE he tried to actually detonate the bomb. Had he not farked it up this would have been a very different day for us.


Well, they did know for a fact that he was actually trying to detonate 1000 lbs .of kitty litter, so there's that.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:36 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.


well really.... you could say that there are 3 official, 1 unofficial (party system) and 1 quasi official (the fed)  braches of government. in fact i have heard it said by economists that the fed chairman is the most powerful man in the country. by far more powerful than the president.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:39 PM  

asmodeus224: astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.

They do the same thing with pedophiles, i don't have any problem with this strategy. Because if the FBI doesn't answer their outreach, someone will, and that someone may not be posing as a 12 year old girl or that person may not be selling playdough.


They're taking pages from their most successful playbook: breaking up the mafia. Get enough plants in a secret network and the network itself breaks down because no one can trust anyone else. They did this thousands of times in the 80's/90's while prosecuting organized crime.

Yeah, it's dangerously close to entrapment, but it works.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:52 PM  

blatz514: So what wire did they cut? Red or Blue??


www.goradio.com
"All right, Bud, you have to cut the ground wire, not the lead wire. It's the blue wire with the white stripe. Not---I repeat---not the black wire with the yellow stripe."
 
2012-10-17 07:48:02 PM  
static.squidoo.com
 
2012-10-17 07:51:30 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...

Do you have to wear a helmet to post?


You've yet to explain how desiring to commit an act, and seeking to commit that act have any measurable difference since neither produce any kind of victim Asking to buy drugs hurts no one, unless you can make a case for harassment.

What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.
 
2012-10-17 07:51:45 PM  
So when do we start the invasion of Burma (or Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me)
 
2012-10-17 07:54:02 PM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...

Do you have to wear a helmet to post?

You've yet to explain how desiring to commit an act, and seeking to commit that act have any measurable difference since neither produce any kind of victim Asking to buy drugs hurts no one, unless you can make a case for harassment.

What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.


You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.
 
2012-10-17 07:55:02 PM  
I do kind of.remember a general feeling that averted terror attacks were uniformly awing by presidents. This was four, five years back, mind ya.
 
2012-10-17 07:57:30 PM  

LoneDoggie: So when do we start the invasion of Burma (or Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me)


If you don't like...

Our country's name...

All we can say...

For shame. For shame...

-Myanmar Shave
 
2012-10-17 07:58:24 PM  

clowncar on fire: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...


See that is how grown people communicate ideas. I still stand by the argument that perusing people that have the intent and the means to carry out attacks yields better results than setting up people who are otherwise harmless unless provided the means to carry out the intent is useless and the waste of an opportunity to find people who are actually threats.
 
2012-10-17 07:58:52 PM  
O Captain, my Captain!

Thank you, sir.

*bow*

P.S. Please remember: next debate = right to the face.
 
2012-10-17 08:00:08 PM  

Skr: "Quazi Mohammad"
Funny, I didn't know he had turned to Islam.
[smcarbajal.files.wordpress.com image 382x441]


Shannen Doughier-ty?
 
2012-10-17 08:01:17 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.

You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.


So still nothing but personal attacks and now trying to make yourself feel like less of an asshole.
 
2012-10-17 08:02:34 PM  

vudukungfu: Skr: "Quazi Mohammad"
Funny, I didn't know he had turned to Islam.
[smcarbajal.files.wordpress.com image 382x441]

Shannen Doughier-ty?


Ten thousand years ago fat was sexiest.

What's changed?

Now, you just objectify it.

What has changed?

*mind-smooch*

*)
 
2012-10-17 08:02:51 PM  
FBI protects Federal Reserve from fake FBI plot. Good job everyone, stay vigilant.
 
2012-10-17 08:03:16 PM  

NutWrench: There's also the minor detail that the defendant didn't have the slightest chance in hell of accomplishing his evil deeds without federal assistance.

Also, FTA:

Paul J. Browne, deputy commissioner of the New York City Police Department, released the following statement on the alleged plot:
"After 11 years without a successful attack, it's understanding if the public becomes complacent. But that's a luxury law enforcement can't afford."

fark you. You actually have to manufacture terrorist attacks now in order to keep yourselves relevant?


this.
 
2012-10-17 08:03:37 PM  

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


yes, you're right. Obama is the very first commander in chief.
 
2012-10-17 08:05:30 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.


www.thepensivecitadel.com
There are four branches of Government!
 
2012-10-17 08:05:47 PM  

vudukungfu: NutWrench: There's also the minor detail that the defendant didn't have the slightest chance in hell of accomplishing his evil deeds without federal assistance.

Also, FTA:

Paul J. Browne, deputy commissioner of the New York City Police Department, released the following statement on the alleged plot:
"After 11 years without a successful attack, it's understanding if the public becomes complacent. But that's a luxury law enforcement can't afford."

fark you. You actually have to manufacture terrorist attacks now in order to keep yourselves relevant?

this.


so this is like all those times it happened under Bush right? Remember all the commotion over some black guys in Miami that wanted new tennis shoes?
 
2012-10-17 08:08:11 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 500x642]
wait wait wait, this was an attempted terror attack? not a favor? pic not related.


Hail Thunor! Hail Odhinn!
 
2012-10-17 08:08:24 PM  

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


Only when they can make that stretch. Apparently he's not responsible for his economic decisions/policy over the past 4 years. It was cleary W's fault.
 
2012-10-17 08:09:39 PM  
Just a thought, but can't we just say "good job!" to the FBI on this one and call it a day?
 
2012-10-17 08:12:01 PM  

hootkr: FBI protects -fake money- in Federal Reserve from fake FBI plot. Good job everyone, stay vigilant.


FITY
 
2012-10-17 08:13:08 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

yes, you're right. Obama is the very first commander in chief.


You know that's not what I meant. Read my post before this one for what I'm getting at instead of partisan bullshiat.
 
2012-10-17 08:14:40 PM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.

You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.

So still nothing but personal attacks and now trying to make yourself feel like less of an asshole.


You asked a stunningly stupid question and got treated like an idiot for it. Welcome to Fark.

In the future, think before posting and this can all be avoided. Also, it would behoove you to put your detailed questions in the Boobies you make instead of scribbling with crayons for half a dozen posts before finally getting to your semi-coherent point and expecting everyone to know what the fark you were blabbering in the first place.
 
2012-10-17 08:15:22 PM  
Not sure if it has been pointed out, but the targeting is interesting. Originally he wanted to attack the New York Stock Exchange but then went after the Federal Reserve Building. After talking to the FBI. The difference is that the NYSE is a private organization that is not protected under certain laws. Especially not how attacking the Fed is a federal offense (even though it is private org), so this could also be turned into a much larger sentence in a federal facility rather than attacking a state building which could be taken as a state level offense.

Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but it does make for a better conviction rate for the FBI.
 
2012-10-17 08:16:57 PM  

Too_many_Brians: Not sure if it has been pointed out, but the targeting is interesting. Originally he wanted to attack the New York Stock Exchange but then went after the Federal Reserve Building. After talking to the FBI. The difference is that the NYSE is a private organization that is not protected under certain laws. Especially not how attacking the Fed is a federal offense (even though it is private org), so this could also be turned into a much larger sentence in a federal facility rather than attacking a state building which could be taken as a state level offense.

Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but it does make for a better conviction rate for the FBI.


So the FBI gave him a bomb AND picked the target?
 
2012-10-17 08:18:19 PM  
Don't you libtards understand anything? Had it blown up, it would have been nObama's fault. Since it didn't, it was a setup to entrap a legal citizen, so therefore it was total entrapment. I thought you lieberals had figured that out by now.
 
2012-10-17 08:18:58 PM  
NYPD takes credit in 3...2...
 
2012-10-17 08:20:12 PM  
FBI hires another ex-con to convince some idiot to carry out an attack. Surprise surprise
 
2012-10-17 08:20:34 PM  

Vectron: Too_many_Brians: Not sure if it has been pointed out, but the targeting is interesting. Originally he wanted to attack the New York Stock Exchange but then went after the Federal Reserve Building. After talking to the FBI. The difference is that the NYSE is a private organization that is not protected under certain laws. Especially not how attacking the Fed is a federal offense (even though it is private org), so this could also be turned into a much larger sentence in a federal facility rather than attacking a state building which could be taken as a state level offense.

Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but it does make for a better conviction rate for the FBI.

So the FBI gave him a bomb AND picked the target?



THIS is becoming a pretty common thing. Law Enforcement recruits a patsy to plot an attack and then busts them.

Creating terrorists yourself is a pretty good way to show how good you are at catching them.
 
2012-10-17 08:21:35 PM  

LL316: Just a thought, but can't we just say "good job!" to the FBI on this one and call it a day?


No, we must politicize it and create conspiracy theories! We must!
 
2012-10-17 08:22:41 PM  
Wrap his ass in bacon and saute' slowly over a open fire pit, then airdrop his worthless ass over Iran.

/Have fun in gitmo farktard.
 
2012-10-17 08:25:56 PM  
And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law. It's not like they walked up to him and said "Gee..seeing as how you are a religious nutjob, how would you like to blow up some shiat and sock it to the USA?". He had the intent to do something, and they stopped it before he could actually do damage. I have no problem with this.
 
2012-10-17 08:26:46 PM  
What, no Four Lions references? I am disappoint.

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2012-10-17 08:30:04 PM  
I hear there is a protest outside of the Bangladeshi consulate to protest this guy's besmirching the name of Islam
 
2012-10-17 08:31:35 PM  
"Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, of Bangladesh, is accused of planning a terrorist bombing in New York."

Oh, he's only a Quazi-mohammedan. Is that like neo-pagan?
 
2012-10-17 08:33:05 PM  

skullkrusher: "Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, of Bangladesh, is accused of planning a terrorist bombing in New York."

Oh, he's only a Quazi-mohammedan. Is that like neo-pagan?


/more like a diet coke of jihadists.
 
2012-10-17 08:33:56 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: skullkrusher: "Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, of Bangladesh, is accused of planning a terrorist bombing in New York."

Oh, he's only a Quazi-mohammedan. Is that like neo-pagan?

/more like a diet coke of jihadists.


all the jihad taste, none of the calories
 
2012-10-17 08:36:02 PM  

GAT_00: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

If Bush could claim he prevented any attacks on America after 9/11, by the same logic this was prevented by Obama as well. Also, since he would be to blame for it like the GOP says he's to blame for Benghazi, therefore Obama prevented this.


Dear God, I'm in full agreement with GAT. Must leave thread and wonder how this could happen. Not prepared for this development.
 
2012-10-17 08:36:36 PM  
Not entrapment? Hmm, let's see:

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #2: Wow man, that's cool. Here's a bomb, a whole lot of money and equipment, and I'll encourage you.
Joe #1: Cool! I can't believe you believe in me! I would never have known where to get 500 lbs of C4, a truck, remote detonators, a spare van, and all this other stuff.
Joe #2: you're under arrest

In real life, without entrapment

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #1 continues to drink his beer and go about his business, fades into background.
 
2012-10-17 08:37:54 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law.


I'm glad you specified "FBI" and not general law enforcement or the ATF. Because otherwise, Randy Weaver would like a word.
 
2012-10-17 08:38:31 PM  
soooo, which member/part of the FBI gave him the idea, supplied him with all the tools he needed, and financed him, so they could turn around and prevent him from actually carrying it out? over and over again. how many times will people fall for this ruse?
 
2012-10-17 08:43:51 PM  

Somacandra: This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.


Fark's law.
 
2012-10-17 08:47:31 PM  

garkola: Not entrapment? Hmm, let's see:

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #2: Wow man, that's cool. Here's a bomb, a whole lot of money and equipment, and I'll encourage you.
Joe #1: Cool! I can't believe you believe in me! I would never have known where to get 500 lbs of C4, a truck, remote detonators, a spare van, and all this other stuff.
Joe #2: you're under arrest


correct. This is not entrapment. It appears as if you understand.

garkola: In real life, without entrapment

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #1 continues to drink his beer and go about his business, fades into background.


no entrapment, no crime committed, therefore no arrest.
 
2012-10-17 08:48:28 PM  
this is turning into yahoo type comments. "bombing plan thwarted" - Yay!!!! errr no the president is going to credit for this during election season. Me- I don't give a sh*t. lives were potentially saved because of the actions of the NYPD and the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigation. Is our memory so short that we have forgotton about the yellow- pink- red purple- pussy colored alerts that advised us to buy duct tape and plastic wrap? I much like being informed threats being averted instead of seeing bullsh*t alerts of the looming islamic fundamentalist zombie apocalypse.
 
2012-10-17 08:49:27 PM  

Launch Code: So I guess obama grabbed a nightstick, some cuffs and handled things. Just like he handled bin laden. Shame he wasn't able to handle the terrorists that overran our embassy, killed 4 Americans and slaughtered an Ambassador. Oh right that wasn't terrorists, it was angry movie critics. That was Hillary's fault anyway, stupid girls.


Not to make light of a death, but does smoke inhalation count as "slaughtered" now?
 
2012-10-17 08:51:54 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law. It's not like they walked up to him and said "Gee..seeing as how you are a religious nutjob, how would you like to blow up some shiat and sock it to the USA?". He had the intent to do something, and they stopped it before he could actually do damage. I have no problem with this.


The problem is that thought crimes aren't illegal.

Here are the questions I have:
Did this man have any means or funding to acquire what he did?
Did they provide him with the same materials that are now really farking hard to get after things like Oklahoma City?
Is there any reason to believe that a member of an actual terrorist group would go on the internet in America to try and buy explosives and/or chemicals rather than import them? (hint: Those with connections and means that were planning on using explosives tried to smuggle them: the Underwear Bomber successfully smuggled his in[despite failing] and the cargo plane plot[that was only caught by a tipoff])
 
2012-10-17 08:54:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Somacandra: This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.

Fark's law.


I'd just call it Replicator's law.
 
2012-10-17 08:54:54 PM  
Lot of Republicans in this thread who wanted the guy to succeed.
 
2012-10-17 08:55:31 PM  

thetubameister: Launch Code: So I guess obama grabbed a nightstick, some cuffs and handled things. Just like he handled bin laden. Shame he wasn't able to handle the terrorists that overran our embassy, killed 4 Americans and slaughtered an Ambassador. Oh right that wasn't terrorists, it was angry movie critics. That was Hillary's fault anyway, stupid girls.

Not to make light of a death, but does smoke inhalation count as "slaughtered" now?


It counts when the right can use it in a desperate attempt try to downgrade Obama's rather successful foreign policies, deflect from the fact that Romney has absolutely zero foreign policy experience or plans, and as a bonus have a chance to express glee over the death of a fellow American.

Plus, socialism and furthermore.
 
2012-10-17 08:56:36 PM  

erveek: Lot of Republicans in this thread who wanted the guy to succeed.


I want to believe there's still some decency in the world, so I wanna think that they just wanted the authorities to look embarrassed.
 
2012-10-17 08:57:14 PM  

ultraholland: astouffer: A bomb without explosives is not a bomb. Any kid with basic electronic knowledge can build a timer or some delay in detonation. So again I state that he could not figure out on his own how to get the explosives. If you have to ask these questions then you won't be very successful.

Your reasoning suggests that murder-for-hire isn't much of a crime.


The flaw in the reasoning is that he THOUGHT HE HAD EXPLOSIVES. If you are ready to kill someone, and all you lack is a hit man, then when you've gone through the yellow pages and found what you think is a hit man, you don't get to say later "But it wasn't a real hit man!" when the cops come to arrest you for attempted murder. Nor do you get to say "But my intended victim is still alive!" as if that somehow means you didn't really want him dead.

The same thing is true here. This poor fool went shopping for bomb materials. The fact that his "bomb" would not have exploded doesn't let him off the hook for the fact that he tried to set it off (any more than the person who hired the fake hit man gets to say their victim is still alive). Nor does the fact that the FBI might have "encouraged" his crime. He had an easy way not to commit the crime: Not to do it. If they really were the ones who said "Hey, let's blow something up!" and he really wasn't interested, all he had to do was say "Hey! Let's not!" But he didn't.

It is only entrapment if you do something you otherwise would not have done, or had no inclination to do. If this guy was the one who approached the FBI for his bomb--if he was even the one who first mooted the idea of blowing something up--then I'm sorry for all you government-haters out there, but it's just not entrapment. It was his idea, and they just gave him enough rope to blow himself up with.
 
2012-10-17 08:57:23 PM  
Yo, FBI: well done.

*)
 
2012-10-17 08:58:33 PM  

Indubitably: Yo, FBI: well done.

*)

 
2012-10-17 09:00:18 PM  

bhcompy: Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law. It's not like they walked up to him and said "Gee..seeing as how you are a religious nutjob, how would you like to blow up some shiat and sock it to the USA?". He had the intent to do something, and they stopped it before he could actually do damage. I have no problem with this.

The problem is that thought crimes aren't illegal.

Here are the questions I have:
Did this man have any means or funding to acquire what he did?
Did they provide him with the same materials that are now really farking hard to get after things like Oklahoma City?
Is there any reason to believe that a member of an actual terrorist group would go on the internet in America to try and buy explosives and/or chemicals rather than import them? (hint: Those with connections and means that were planning on using explosives tried to smuggle them: the Underwear Bomber successfully smuggled his in[despite failing] and the cargo plane plot[that was only caught by a tipoff])


If you told an undercover cop that you would like to hire him to kill your wife but you didn't have enough money, would that be ok?
 
2012-10-17 09:01:44 PM  

hootkr: FBI protects Federal Reserve from fake FBI plot. Good job everyone, stay vigilant.


There's nothing fake about it - this guy was looking for equipment to do a real bomb and he just happened to ask an undercover cop.

That isn't entrapment, not even ambiguously.
 
2012-10-17 09:01:45 PM  

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


I don't have a problem with stings. This was a sting.

And when it comes to giving up freedoms we don't NEED terrorists, scary (insert other race here) and "the drug dealers" work just fine.
 
2012-10-17 09:06:10 PM  
files.abovetopsecret.com

How many weeks until the election?
 
2012-10-17 09:13:33 PM  

Snapper Carr: Slartibartfaster: 12349876: If the government didn't find him and troll him

isn't that entrapment ?

As I understand it, they avoid entrapment by repeatedly trying to talk the suspect out of it (I'm not sure how earnestly they try, mind you). Whether or not he goes ahead with it is left up to his choice.


Entrapment is if the cop (or agent) says, "I yam a cop! I orders youse ta do this illegal thing! Now I arrests youse!" Also any other, "do this or else" duress counts, but I believe it falls under different legal categories (whatever the terminology is).

This was just a sting. No different than a drug buy or a fake prostitute.
 
2012-10-17 09:15:15 PM  
Al Qaeda attempts to end deficit spending.
 
2012-10-17 09:15:32 PM  
Obama nor his administration did sh*t...I know, because his tenure has been one of "do nothing".

That's why our debt was downgraded - for the first time since we (the U.S.) set the whole system up in the first place.

And remember why? Yep, the whole world looked at us and said, "You haven't gotten anything done and we frankly don't think you will."
 
2012-10-17 09:19:15 PM  

DaCaptain19: Obama nor his administration did sh*t...I know, because his tenure has been one of "do nothing".

That's why our debt was downgraded - for the first time since we (the U.S.) set the whole system up in the first place.

And remember why? Yep, the whole world looked at us and said, "You haven't gotten anything done and we frankly don't think you will."


I call bullshiat.

Dubya conducted-flailingly the last decade plus, and if you doubt my analysis, you are uneducated and discern unwell. That is all.
 
2012-10-17 09:23:03 PM  

PanicMan: Gyrfalcon: PanicMan: Gyrfalcon: rufus-t-firefly: hatelabs: The GOP will say it was a liberal staged attack to that this adminstration could thwart it.... Because making Obama a 1 term president is all that's important.

Maybe the Republicans staged it so that it looked like the liberals staged it.

Maybe anarchists staged it to look like Republicans staged it to look like liberals staged it to look like terrorists did it.

It all makes perfect sense. Almost TOO much sense. But that's only what you want us to think. Or is it??????

I want you to think whatever you think they think you don't want them to think you think.

Oh no. I'm not falling for that. I'm not going to think what they think they want me to think and er..l mean I'm not going to let them know I think what they... nevermind I'm gonna go get a beer.


JUST AS PLANNED!
 
2012-10-17 09:28:30 PM  
Why dosent obamada just run on his record ..........o yea about that
 
2012-10-17 09:34:01 PM  

sweet jeez: Why dosent obamada just run on his record ..........o yea about that


Because you made the playing field, jackhat.

My biggest peeve this election: Republican disavowal of corroboration: it disgusts me.

Way to play to lowest common denominator, you assjacks.

Frick off with yer dumb.

*Mind phoenix*
 
2012-10-17 09:35:37 PM  
False flag.
 
2012-10-17 09:35:38 PM  

ciberido: All2morrowsparTs: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.

[www.thepensivecitadel.com image 694x530]
There are four branches of Government!


Yeah, there's the legislative, the judicial, the executive, and the Obama branch. The Obama Branch is where all bad things come from.
 
2012-10-17 09:36:19 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: JusticeandIndependence: Rich Cream: JusticeandIndependence: Rich Cream: That was some terrible English and that makes me think it wasn't written by anyone at CNN.

/inert explosives?

You've never heard of an inert gas?

in·ert [in-urt, ih-nurt]
adjective
1.
having no inherent power of action, motion, or resistance ( opposed to active): inert matter.
2.
Chemistry . having little or no ability to react, as nitrogen that occurs uncombined in the atmosphere.
3.
Pharmacology . having no pharmacological action, as the excipient of a pill.
4.
inactive or sluggish by habit or nature.


Point, please? If they're inert, they're not explosive.

Ahh, got it. Sorry carry on.

How about ammonium nitrate that's absorbed enough water that it can't explode? It's inert, and yet it's an explosive.


Heat it to drive out the water, doofus.
 
2012-10-17 09:36:36 PM  
Subby and his friends in this thread appear to have a very child-like understanding of the problems surrounding the Libya attack.

Let me help you guys a little. Please follow these facts very carefully:

1. There was a gross lack of security for our ambassador
2. There was Intelligence suggesting an attack was imminent
3. Libyan officials and our own intelligence services knew very quickly it was a terror attack
4. The Obama administration, not wanting to assume responsibility for the blame they rightly deserved, tried to characterize this as a
random event provoked by an anti-Islamic film - despite what they knew to be the truth

I know I used some big words in there, but if you guys read carefully - you might be able to understand.
 
2012-10-17 09:38:26 PM  

garron: Subby and his friends in this thread appear to have a very child-like understanding of the problems surrounding the Libya attack.

Let me help you guys a little. Please follow these facts very carefully:

1. There was a gross lack of security for our ambassador
2. There was Intelligence suggesting an attack was imminent
3. Libyan officials and our own intelligence services knew very quickly it was a terror attack
4. The Obama administration, not wanting to assume responsibility for the blame they rightly deserved, tried to characterize this as a
random event provoked by an anti-Islamic film - despite what they knew to be the truth

I know I used some big words in there, but if you guys read carefully - you might be able to understand.


It's really hard to believe this when it's been the only story on Fox News for the past 3 weeks.
 
2012-10-17 09:38:32 PM  

sweet jeez: Why dosent obamada just run on his record ..........o yea about that


Good idea. 

/obamada? I don't get the joke. Is he supposed to be black, islamic, or communist today? teleprompter joke? help me out here..
//I think we know why Mitt isn't running on his. Wouldn't be prudent. Fool me once, etc.
 
2012-10-17 09:38:50 PM  

LineNoise: hairywoogit: This is essentially why terrorists don't really scare me. The vast majority of them are uneducated idiots. The really smart ones direct the idiots, and end up with Bond-Villain-esque results half the time.

My theory is this. You are Al Quadea. You have a smart guy who you have been bringing up through the ranks in Kerplakistan. The type of guy who when you get on the ground, in a few weeks can put together an actual workable operation. He is bright, resourceful, and has a good, logical head on his shoulders where he isn't going to fall for the first guy off the boat who says he can sell him a truck full of plastic explosives or whatever, and also is level headed enough to keep his cool and carry through with an operation.

So you go, "hey, this guy is our next big hope. If anyone can pull it off, its him". You give him a wad of cash to get his operation going, and get him into the country.

So not wanting to screw things up, and actually execute on the plan right, the guy establishes a cover, tries to blend in.......and then being an intelligent guy with a good head on his shoulders, quickly realizes that blowing up a bus load of nuns will in the grand scheme of things, accomplish nothing aside from maybe his old village getting a couple of tomahawks lobbed its way.

So he takes his money, settles down, opens a falafel stand, finds himself a nice girl, and that is that.

So basically you are just left with the morons to do your dirty work, and they aren't going to get very far.


You underestimate religious extremism and xenophobia.
 
2012-10-17 09:41:49 PM  
Is it really a terrorist plot if the only ones the subject is plotting with are agents of the government? Wouldn't that make it a government plot? And would destroying the "Federal Reserve" be such a bad thing for our nation?
 
2012-10-17 09:43:12 PM  

Alonjar: Its a good thing all these terrorists are too stupid to google how to make explosives themselves.


That shiat takes forever.
 
2012-10-17 09:43:33 PM  

Tor_Eckman: If you told an undercover cop that you would like to hire him to kill your wife but you didn't have enough money, would that be ok?


What crime did I commit?
 
2012-10-17 09:44:31 PM  

garron: Subby and his friends in this thread appear to have a very child-like understanding of the problems surrounding the Libya attack.

Let me help you guys a little. Please follow these facts very carefully:

1. There was a gross lack of security for our ambassador
2. There was Intelligence suggesting an attack was imminent
3. Libyan officials and our own intelligence services knew very quickly it was a terror attack
4. The Obama administration, not wanting to assume responsibility for the blame they rightly deserved, tried to characterize this as a
random event provoked by an anti-Islamic film - despite what they knew to be the truth

I know I used some big words in there, but if you guys read carefully - you might be able to understand.


That's nice. You made some hay out of American deaths to try to make the president look bad.

Bottom line:

Americans killed by terrorists during the previous president's first term-3,000+

Americans killed by terrorists during the current president's first term-4

The guy responsible for the 3,000 got a second term.

Bonus-17 of the previous president's foreign policy advisers now work for the guy trying to supplant the current president.
 
2012-10-17 09:44:32 PM  

garron: Subby and his friends in this thread appear to have a very child-like understanding of the problems surrounding the Libya attack.

Let me help you guys a little. Please follow these facts very carefully:

1. There was a gross lack of security for our ambassador
2. There was Intelligence suggesting an attack was imminent
3. Libyan officials and our own intelligence services knew very quickly it was a terror attack
4. The Obama administration, not wanting to assume responsibility for the blame they rightly deserved, tried to characterize this as a
random event provoked by an anti-Islamic film - despite what they knew to be the truth

I know I used some big words in there, but if you guys read carefully - you might be able to understand.


Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".
 
2012-10-17 09:44:40 PM  

splat the whale: False flag.


You don't know shiat about bees.
 
2012-10-17 09:46:45 PM  

bhcompy: Tor_Eckman: If you told an undercover cop that you would like to hire him to kill your wife but you didn't have enough money, would that be ok?

What crime did I commit?


I am a few credits short of my GED in law, but I believe that conspiracy to commit murder is a no-no.
 
2012-10-17 09:48:32 PM  
Right target, wrong method.
 
2012-10-17 09:50:28 PM  

nmemkha: Right target, wrong method.


Hate is a method.

So is birth.

You do the math.

*)
 
2012-10-17 09:51:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Somacandra: This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.

Fark's law.


What's wrong with "Somacandra's Law"?
 
2012-10-17 09:53:02 PM  
Cool!
This one thwarted plot is one more than the previous administration was able to thwart.

Thwart
 
2012-10-17 09:53:07 PM  

MisterTweak: Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S.


Mustn't forget President Bush's reply: "OK, you've covered your ass."
 
2012-10-17 09:54:20 PM  

sweet jeez: Why dosent obamada just run on his record ..........o yea about that


yes-and my retirement fund is doing much better as a result.

and when your done you can blame the liberal media, gays, immigrants, global warming, a hairy ass, and 180 degree index finger that can't point the right way.
 
2012-10-17 09:55:43 PM  

Tor_Eckman: bhcompy: Tor_Eckman: If you told an undercover cop that you would like to hire him to kill your wife but you didn't have enough money, would that be ok?

What crime did I commit?

I am a few credits short of my GED in law, but I believe that conspiracy to commit murder is a no-no.


Okay, here's the law in California for conspiracy:

563. Conspiracy to Commit Murder

(The defendant[s]/Defendant[s] ) (is/ are) charged [in Count ______] with conspiracy to commit murder.

To prove that (the/a) defendant is guilty of this crime, the People must prove that:

1. The defendant intended to agree and did agree with [one or more of] (the other defendant[s]/ [or] ) to commit murder;

2. At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;

3. (The/One of the) defendant[s][,] [or ][,] [or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;

AND

4. At least one of these overt acts was committed in California.

To decide whether the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended to commit murder, please refer to Instructions , which define that crime.

The People must prove that the members of the alleged conspiracy had an agreement and intent to commit murder. The People do not have to prove that any of the members of the alleged conspiracy actually met or came to a detailed or formal agreement to commit that crime. An agreement may be inferred from conduct if you conclude that members of the alleged conspiracy acted with a common purpose to commit the crime.

An overt act is an act by one or more of the members of the conspiracy that is done to help accomplish the agreed upon crime. The overt act must happen after the defendant has agreed to commit the crime. The overt act must be more than the act of agreeing or planning to commit the crime, but it does not have to be a criminal act itself.
 
2012-10-17 09:57:03 PM  
You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie!
 
2012-10-17 10:01:19 PM  
You know, if you assholes keep saying october surprise I'm going to assume it's a salad dressing.
 
2012-10-17 10:01:22 PM  

bhcompy: legalese


Ok then, how about this: You tell an undercover cop that you would shoot your wife, but you don't have enough money to buy a gun. He fronts you a gun, but it it has no firing pin. You go point it at your wife and pull the trigger. She calls the cops and they arrest you.

How about that? Because that is closer to what this guy actually did.
 
2012-10-17 10:06:10 PM  

MisterTweak:

Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".


I'm sorry - I missed the part where George Bush is running for President again. I swore I thought it was Romney. Silly me.
 
2012-10-17 10:07:25 PM  

garron: MisterTweak:

Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".

I'm sorry - I missed the part where George Bush is running for President again. I swore I thought it was Romney. Silly me.


Please explain the major differences between Bush and Romney. Or any differences, for that matter.
 
2012-10-17 10:12:23 PM  

Tor_Eckman: garron: MisterTweak:

Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".

I'm sorry - I missed the part where George Bush is running for President again. I swore I thought it was Romney. Silly me.

Please explain the major differences between Bush and Romney. Or any differences, for that matter.


Ah - that's a fun game. You go first. Please explain the differences between Obama and Jimmy Carter.
 
2012-10-17 10:13:10 PM  

garron: Tor_Eckman: garron: MisterTweak:

Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".

I'm sorry - I missed the part where George Bush is running for President again. I swore I thought it was Romney. Silly me.

Please explain the major differences between Bush and Romney. Or any differences, for that matter.

Ah - that's a fun game. You go first. Please explain the differences between Obama and Jimmy Carter.


You.
 
2012-10-17 10:14:16 PM  

Tor_Eckman: bhcompy: legalese

Ok then, how about this: You tell an undercover cop that you would shoot your wife, but you don't have enough money to buy a gun. He fronts you a gun, but it it has no firing pin. You go point it at your wife and pull the trigger. She calls the cops and they arrest you.

How about that? Because that is closer to what this guy actually did.


For the sake of consistency, here is the California law on entrapment(via Justia):

3408. Entrapment

Entrapment is a defense. The defendant has the burden of proving this defense by a preponderance of the evidence. This is a different standard from proof beyond a reasonable doubt. To meet this burden, the defendant must prove that it is more likely than not that (he/she) was entrapped.

A person is entrapped if a law enforcement officer [or (his/her) agent] engaged in conduct that would cause a normally law-abiding person to commit the crime.

Some examples of entrapment might include conduct like badgering, persuasion by flattery or coaxing, repeated and insistent requests, or an appeal to friendship or sympathy.

Another example of entrapment would be conduct that would make commission of the crime unusually attractive to a normally law-abiding person. Such conduct might include a guarantee that the act is not illegal or that the offense would go undetected, an offer of extraordinary benefit, or other similar conduct.

If an officer [or (his/her) agent] simply gave the defendant an opportunity to commit the crime or merely tried to gain the defendant's confidence through reasonable and restrained steps, that conduct is not entrapment.

In evaluating this defense, you should focus primarily on the conduct of the officer. However, in deciding whether the officer's conduct was likely to cause a normally law-abiding person to commit this crime, also consider other relevant circumstances, including events that happened before the crime, the defendant's responses to the officer's urging, the seriousness of the crime, and how difficult it would have been for law enforcement officers to discover that the crime had been committed.

When deciding whether the defendant was entrapped, consider what a normally law-abiding person would have done in this situation. Do not consider the defendant's particular intentions or character, or whether the defendant had a predisposition to commit the crime.


Basically, it depends on if it is interpreted as an opportunity or an unusually attractive offer. I would say a free gun is an unusually attractive offer. People just don't give guns away for free to strangers, and, in fact, it is illegal to do so in California without various pieces of paperwork being filed, which again goes towards unusual attractiveness as you're getting a gun with no record of acquiring one. A gun for sale at a reasonable price with or perhaps without proper documentation, is an opportunity. These are the same questions I have for the case in TFA, which I mentioned earlier.
 
2012-10-17 10:15:02 PM  
Entrapment? No.

This is giving him enough rope to hang himself with.
 
2012-10-17 10:21:30 PM  
Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis is an odd name for a teabagger.
 
2012-10-17 10:21:58 PM  
I don't think being handed a free gun is what they would consider "unusually attractive" in terms of shooting your wife. Likewise, being given or sold the components to make a bomb isn't enough to make a normally law-abiding person just go "fark yeah, let's blow up some buildings, yo!"

There's a serious criminal element to a person who would decide that blowing up a building full of innocent people is OK in any way, shape, or form. A normal, law abiding person would tell Mr. Undercover FBI Agent to go fark himself if the subject was broached. Most normal, law abiding people would likely call the authorities on a person that was persuading them to commit an act of terrorism against a federal building.

"However, in deciding whether the officer's conduct was likely to cause a normally law-abiding person to commit this crime, also consider other relevant circumstances, including events that happened before the crime, the defendant's responses to the officer's urging, the seriousness of the crime, and how difficult it would have been for law enforcement officers to discover that the crime had been committed.

When deciding whether the defendant was entrapped, consider what a normally law-abiding person would have done in this situation. Do not consider the defendant's particular intentions or character, or whether the defendant had a predisposition to commit the crime."

The bolded parts are where the entrapment idea really falls apart. His response to the theoretical coaxing was "hell yeah, gimme dat bomb" and the seriousness of the crime was an act of terrorism against a federal building that no normal law abiding person would ever consider.
 
2012-10-17 10:24:05 PM  

bhcompy: Tor_Eckman: bhcompy: legalese

Ok then, how about this: You tell an undercover cop that you would shoot your wife, but you don't have enough money to buy a gun. He fronts you a gun, but it it has no firing pin. You go point it at your wife and pull the trigger. She calls the cops and they arrest you.

How about that? Because that is closer to what this guy actually did.

For the sake of consistency, here is the California law on entrapment(via Justia):

3408. Entrapment

Entrapment is a defense. The defendant has the burden of proving this defense by a preponderance of the evidence. This is a different standard from proof beyond a reasonable doubt. To meet this burden, the defendant must prove that it is more likely than not that (he/she) was entrapped.

A person is entrapped if a law enforcement officer [or (his/her) agent] engaged in conduct that would cause a normally law-abiding person to commit the crime.

Some examples of entrapment might include conduct like badgering, persuasion by flattery or coaxing, repeated and insistent requests, or an appeal to friendship or sympathy.

Another example of entrapment would be conduct that would make commission of the crime unusually attractive to a normally law-abiding person. Such conduct might include a guarantee that the act is not illegal or that the offense would go undetected, an offer of extraordinary benefit, or other similar conduct.

If an officer [or (his/her) agent] simply gave the defendant an opportunity to commit the crime or merely tried to gain the defendant's confidence through reasonable and restrained steps, that conduct is not entrapment.

In evaluating this defense, you should focus primarily on the conduct of the officer. However, in deciding whether the officer's conduct was likely to cause a normally law-abiding person to commit this crime, also consider other relevant circumstances, including events that happened before the crime, the defendant's responses to the officer's urging, the seri ...


OK, entrapment in your scenario would be this:

You're in a bar, and muttering about your wife. The cop sidles up to you and says "You should kill your wife. No, you should REALLY kill your wife. In fact, here's a gun you can kill her with, and I'll drive you back home to do it." He then takes you by the arm and hustles you outside, pushes you into his car, and drives you home. Then he pushes the free gun into your hand and says "Go on, go kill your wife, I'll wait."

Then you go inside and pull the trigger; but the firing pin has been disabled, and so of course your wife doesn't die. Then you're arrested for attempted murder, and you claim entrapment. Your defense is that you were put into a position where you committed a crime you normally wouldn't have attempted. The idea didn't originate with you; you didn't go looking for the gun; you didn't take it home with you; and you didn't voluntarily conceive the idea of going inside the house with the altered gun. Since NONE of those ideas were yours, you were entrapped into committing the crime.

Now, attempted murder is harder to claim entrapment with, because at the final moment you could have not pulled the trigger; just as in the instant case here, all douchebag had to do was not attempt to blow up the building. That's why entrapment as a defense usually fails--because the perpetrator usually had the option to not commit the crime and failed to do so. Entrapment is generally only successful with conspiracy crimes, where the defendant didn't have to be present at the final act to still be culpable.
 
2012-10-17 10:24:19 PM  

Vectron: Are you saying this 21 year old Arab kid could get his hands on explosives?


Are you saying Indians are Arab?
 
2012-10-17 10:32:15 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: randomizetimer: Liberal Fascism smells like Conservative fascism.

[demonocracy.info image 850x1460]


122.1 Trillion Dollars

$122,100,000,000,000. - US unfunded liabilities by Dec 31, 2012.
Abovet you can see the pillar of cold hard $100 bills that dwarfs the
WTC & Empire State Building - both at one point world's tallest buildings.
If you look carefully you can see the Statue of Liberty.

The 122.1 Trillion dollar super-skyscraper wall is the amount of money the U.S. Government
knows it does not have to fully fund the Medicare, Medicare Prescription Drug Program,
Social Security, Military and civil servant pensions. It is the money USA knows it will not
have to pay all its bills.
If you live in USA this is also your personal credit card bill; you are responsible along with
everyone else to pay this back. The citizens of USA created the U.S. Government to serve
them, this is what the U.S. Government has done while serving The People.

The unfunded liability is calculated on current tax and funding inputs, and future demographic
shifts in US Population.

Note: On the above 122.1T image the size of the bases of the money stacks are $10 billion, and 400 stories @ $4 trillion

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." - Thomas Jefferson

Everyone needs to see this.

Source: Federal Reserve & www.USdebtclock.org - visit it to see the debt in real time and get a better grasp of this amazing number.

Above graphic and info found at http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html

Wait, you're telling me that the government doesn't get enough in taxes in one year to pay for social security and medicare for 100 years? I'm voting for Romney now.


Try that is only the next 30 years. Not the next 100.
 
2012-10-17 10:39:31 PM  

Sticky Hands: You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the FBI.


Just like Saigon! Eh, Slick?
 
2012-10-17 10:41:42 PM  
Has anyone chimed in on thank goodness another lunatic is off the streets? I don't honestly care what his motives are, dude was willing to kill a lot of people. We caught a mental case BEFORE he hurt people. That't a win for everyone!
 
2012-10-17 10:43:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Entrapment is generally only successful with conspiracy crimes, where the defendant didn't have to be present at the final act to still be culpable.


Yet it's a valid defense even when you do commit the action(Bradley v Duncan). The fact is that it is arguable. Whether or not the jury accepts it is something else, but by the letter of the law, varying by jurisdiction probably, you can definitely make a case out of it. Realistically, you're probably better waiving a jury trial and going to a bench trial in that instance, since regular people have a hard time disassociating the law from what they wish the law was in this case. There aren't 12 angry men in every jury box that are willing to actually discuss matters reasonably and detached from emotion while rejecting any preconceived notions they may have.

I don't like these situations because they introduce the ambiguity of potential entrapment in to the process of the crime. It's dirty crime fighting. The fact that people will ask the question is enough to question the act itself. It's not what our law and justice systems are built upon.
 
2012-10-17 10:44:32 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.


What about the goddamn Batman?
 
xcv
2012-10-17 10:44:34 PM  

Happy Hours: Vectron: Are you saying this 21 year old Arab kid could get his hands on explosives?

Are you saying Indians Native Americans are Arab?


Fixed
 
2012-10-17 10:45:10 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards.



The FBI goes around asking people if they want to carry out attacks, posing as terrorists themselves. So they bring people in to start with.
 
2012-10-17 10:45:54 PM  

Tor_Eckman: garron: MisterTweak:

Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".

I'm sorry - I missed the part where George Bush is running for President again. I swore I thought it was Romney. Silly me.

Please explain the major differences between Bush and Romney. Or any differences, for that matter.


Pretty much this. Republicans march in lockstep, whereas getting Democrats together is like herding cats. If you've see one "R", you've seen 'em all.
 
2012-10-17 11:00:02 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Tor_Eckman: garron: MisterTweak:

Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".

I'm sorry - I missed the part where George Bush is running for President again. I swore I thought it was Romney. Silly me.

Please explain the major differences between Bush and Romney. Or any differences, for that matter.

Pretty much this. Republicans march in lockstep, whereas getting Democrats together is like herding cats. If you've see one "R", you've seen 'em all.


Yep, Arnold and Santorum, totally the same person. I mean, one is okay with gay marriage and the other isn't. One is a puritan and one farked a whole bunch of biatches and did drugs. One pushed for tax hikes and the other didn't. Totally the same.
 
2012-10-17 11:00:05 PM  
♪♫ "I see you driving round town with a van full of bombs, and I say fark yooooouuu'!" ♪♫
 
2012-10-17 11:10:52 PM  

TheBigJerk: LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?

I don't have a problem with stings. This was a sting.

And when it comes to giving up freedoms we don't NEED terrorists, scary (insert other race here) and "the drug dealers" work just fine.


The nice thing about this method of thwarting plots: It doesn't require or even suggest giving up ANY civil liberties.

Unless there are significant details I'm missing, warrantless wiretapping, the TSA, torture, etc. all did jack shiat in this case.

Some undercover FBI agents put the word out amongst some criminal networks "hey, if anyone wants to make bombs, I can hook them up" and waited for rocket surgeons like this to show up. You don't even need a Patriot Act to do that.
 
2012-10-17 11:10:55 PM  

bhcompy: Yep, Arnold and Santorum, totally the same person. I mean, one is okay with gay marriage and the other isn't. One is a puritan and one farked a whole bunch of biatches and did drugs. One pushed for tax hikes and the other didn't. Totally the same.


Oh come on. You know that the only reason Arnold married Maria Schriver is because they were trying to make a bulletproof Kennedy.
 
2012-10-17 11:27:28 PM  

hairywoogit: This is essentially why terrorists don't really scare me. The vast majority of them are uneducated idiots. The really smart ones direct the idiots, and end up with Bond-Villain-esque results half the time.


QFT

I travel for work and I make it a point to fly on Sep 11. Why? Because I'm not afraid of a bunch of guys that can't blow their own underwear up
 
2012-10-17 11:30:14 PM  

LucklessWonder: bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.

Jack Bauer'd isn't appropriate. Instead the fed would have to "subject the bomb to enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding with 3 seconds left.


Work one of these into the routine somehow.
www.texcigars.com
 
2012-10-17 11:49:19 PM  
I saw this on "Law and Order" a while back, so Obama had plenty of warning . . ..
 
2012-10-17 11:50:48 PM  
It appears to be another one of many terrorist attacks masterminded by the FBI, planned by the FBI, financed by the FBI, and carried out by an FBI-recruited patsy who, on his own, would never have the means or opportunity (and he was probably coerced into motive). If I was on the jury he'd walk out a free man. Since I probably won't be, he'll spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
2012-10-17 11:52:58 PM  

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: The defendant thought he was striking a blow to the American economy. He thought he was directing confederates and fellow believers. At every turn, he was wrong, and his extensive efforts to strike at the heart of the nation's financial system were foiled by effective law enforcement

Translation: "We trolled this stupid loser mofo for all he was worth. He fell for the whole thing from start to finish."

That's fine. The intent is what matters.


I'm sure the FBI manufactured the intent, too. The so-called Sears Tower (non) Bomber was harassed by the feds for A YEAR, and they finally got him to go along with the plot after THREATENING HIS FAMILY. The only people who should be in prison are the feds.
 
2012-10-17 11:57:35 PM  

DrPainMD: It appears to be another one of many terrorist attacks masterminded by the FBI, planned by the FBI, financed by the FBI, and carried out by an FBI-recruited patsy who, on his own, would never have the means or opportunity (and he was probably coerced into motive). If I was on the jury he'd walk out a free man. Since I probably won't be, he'll spend the rest of his life in prison.



He provided this country a great service. Continued funding for the war on terror.
 
2012-10-18 12:25:02 AM  

Why Would I Read the Article: In before "The Republicans will just say it was staged because herp a derp derp."



Oh.....too late.


By about three years.
 
2012-10-18 12:55:42 AM  

Spaced Cowboy: I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.

You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.

So still nothing but personal attacks and now trying to make yourself feel like less of an asshole.

You asked a stunningly stupid question and got treated like an idiot for it. Welcome to Fark.

In the future, think before posting and this can all be avoided. Also, it would behoove you to put your detailed questions in the Boobies you make instead of scribbling with crayons for half a dozen posts before finally getting to your semi-coherent point and expecting everyone to know what the fark you were blabbering in the first place.


No I asked you a very simple question to prove a point, you couldn't answer it so you just blew smoke out of your ass. So i figured i would just egg you on for awhile and have some fun.
 
2012-10-18 01:16:05 AM  
Gyrfalcon: The flaw in the reasoning

girl, I hope you were backing me up on that one; you know I know better.
 
2012-10-18 01:16:45 AM  

garron: 1. There was a gross lack of security for our ambassador



Remind me again who cut funding for security?
 
2012-10-18 01:36:49 AM  

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.

You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.

So still nothing but personal attacks and now trying to make yourself feel like less of an asshole.

You asked a stunningly stupid question and got treated like an idiot for it. Welcome to Fark.

In the future, think before posting and this can all be avoided. Also, it would behoove you to put your detailed questions in the Boobies you make instead of scribbling with crayons for half a dozen posts before finally getting to your semi-coherent point and expecting everyone to know what the fark you were blabbering in the first place.

No I asked you a very simple question to prove a point, you couldn't answer it so you just blew smoke out of your ass. So i figured i would just egg you on for awhile and have some fun.


The only point you proved was that I'm far too easily amused by dolts. I mean, you actually asked me what the difference is between thinking about a crime and committing a crime and I humored you with a sarcastic response that you still failed to understand.

Your question:
25.media.tumblr.com

To which I replied:
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-18 03:22:37 AM  

digitalrain: [papundits.files.wordpress.com image 300x339]

Shhh... [whispers] October surprise!


should have killed "Bin Laden" that would be a real surprise.
 
2012-10-18 03:52:31 AM  
I got about twenty comments in and had this thought:

I am glad no one in NY (that I know of) died of a terrorist attack today (yesterday now, I suppose).

It was a good day, despite all the random idiots who tried my patience repeatedly.
 
2012-10-18 04:51:39 AM  

garron: Tor_Eckman: garron: MisterTweak:

Maybe. I do recall George W. Bush madly fellating Ken Lay while his advisers were trying to get him to read some alarmist nonsense to distract him. They mostly used small words, though: OSAMA BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK INSIDE U.S. Maybe if only those elitist intelligence types had used something smaller than "determined". Maybe "Schiavo", or "stem cell", or "gay".

I'm sorry - I missed the part where George Bush is running for President again. I swore I thought it was Romney. Silly me.

Please explain the major differences between Bush and Romney. Or any differences, for that matter.

Ah - that's a fun game. You go first. Please explain the differences between Obama and Jimmy Carter.


In other words, you cannot even give me one difference between Bush and Romney.

I figured.
 
2012-10-18 06:53:55 AM  
A bunch of cabinet members along with Obama spent days and weeks doing undercover work and extensive planning to stop this? Those FBI agents just sat around right?

"Oh no Mr. President you go on this stakeout, I'll stay here and hang out in the Oval Office"
 
2012-10-18 07:07:29 AM  

bhcompy: I would say a free gun is an unusually attractive offer.


Only if volunteered. If the defendant asked an undercover officer "how can I get a free gun so I can shoot my wife" and the officer responded "I know a guy" that is not entrapment. From the facts we have seen so far, this man came to the US intent on carrying out a terror attack and was actively seeking confederates before the police agencies trolled him. There might be some grey areas that we haven't seen yet that could change my opinion, but right now this looks like a clean sting, and those are quite legal.

We will probably never know all of the details, however, since dumbass is being represented by a public defender and has the full weight and fury of the Justice Department being aimed at his pointy head. I would bet that in the end, he ends up pleading.
 
2012-10-18 08:27:17 AM  
Just like with clinton, he lied about it. That is the issue.

President Obama, though, wasn't done with Kerry Ladka. "After the debate, the president came over to me and spent about two minutes with me privately," says the 61-year-old Ladka, who works at Global Telecom Supply in Mineola, N.Y. According to Ladka, Obama gave him "more information about why he delayed calling the attack a terorist attack."

Link
 
2012-10-18 08:31:04 AM  

Alonjar: Its a good thing all these terrorists are too stupid to google how to make explosives themselves.


The hard part isn't the knowledge, I could probably figure out *how*, but I wouldn't know the first thing about getting enough materials together. Where would I test it, where would I assemble it?
 
2012-10-18 09:01:10 AM  

randomizetimer: The All-Powerful Atheismo: randomizetimer: Liberal Fascism smells like Conservative fascism.

[demonocracy.info image 850x1460]


122.1 Trillion Dollars

$122,100,000,000,000. - US unfunded liabilities by Dec 31, 2012.
Abovet you can see the pillar of cold hard $100 bills that dwarfs the
WTC & Empire State Building - both at one point world's tallest buildings.
If you look carefully you can see the Statue of Liberty.

The 122.1 Trillion dollar super-skyscraper wall is the amount of money the U.S. Government
knows it does not have to fully fund the Medicare, Medicare Prescription Drug Program,
Social Security, Military and civil servant pensions. It is the money USA knows it will not
have to pay all its bills.
If you live in USA this is also your personal credit card bill; you are responsible along with
everyone else to pay this back. The citizens of USA created the U.S. Government to serve
them, this is what the U.S. Government has done while serving The People.

The unfunded liability is calculated on current tax and funding inputs, and future demographic
shifts in US Population.

Note: On the above 122.1T image the size of the bases of the money stacks are $10 billion, and 400 stories @ $4 trillion

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." - Thomas Jefferson

Everyone needs to see this.

Source: Federal Reserve & www.USdebtclock.org - visit it to see the debt in real time and get a better grasp of this amazing number.

Above graphic and info found at http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html

Wait, you're telling me that the government doesn't get enough in taxes in one year to pay for social security and medicare for 100 years? I'm voting for Romney now.

Try that is only the next 30 years. Not the next 100.


Great, thanks for showing me I can compare apples to oranges. I'm getting all "emotional" now, better vote for more tax cuts... wait, what?
 
2012-10-18 09:28:38 AM  

CheatCommando:

We will probably never know all of the details, however, since dumbass is being represented by a public defender and has the full weight and fury of the Justice Department being aimed at his pointy head. I would bet that in the end, he ends up pleading.


Which, of course, is the other part of the problem. They tried to play it fast and loose with the mob/gangsters during Prohibition and those guys actually had money and lawyers, so the government frequently hit a brick wall and had to go after them in ways that could actually stand up to scrutiny(like tax evasion). This guy doesn't stand a chance of representation equal to what the prosecution is going to bring, regardless of guilt.
 
2012-10-18 10:52:59 AM  

Mind of the North Star: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

I see your point, which is why I don't understand the "Libya scandal" in the first place. However, do you actually think people would not have blamed Obama, if this bombing wasn't thwarted ?


I am a Romney supporter and i dont blame Pres Obama for the Libya "scandal". Just like I don't give him credit for "stopping" this plot.

I do give him credit for giving the go ahead to kill Bin Laden - but he did not "get" Bin Laden - the intelligence folks, the SEALS, etc "got" Bin Laden.

The only area re Libya where Pres Obama could have done better was to try and get the messsage to his people to say "we dont have all the facts yet".
 
2012-10-18 11:05:15 AM  

Somacandra: This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.


Exposing yourself to a blind person?
 
2012-10-18 12:24:57 PM  

astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.


He didn't build that?
 
2012-10-18 12:51:52 PM  
Apples to oranges.

/FBI Agents are allowed to actually carry bullets./
 
2012-10-18 10:40:53 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Apples to oranges.

/FBI Agents are allowed to actually carry bullets./



I heard 0bama himself personally disarmed all the security in Libya. Rush Limbaugh told me so.
 
2012-10-19 10:07:23 PM  

Tor_Eckman: bhcompy: legalese

Ok then, how about this: You tell an undercover cop that you would shoot your wife, but you don't have enough money to buy a gun. He fronts you a gun, but it it has no firing pin. You go point it at your wife and pull the trigger. She calls the cops and they arrest you.

How about that? Because that is closer to what this guy actually did.


I was wondering. Did the gov. broach the subject first, or the suspect?
 
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