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2012-10-17 08:01:17 PM

Spaced Cowboy: What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.

You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.


So still nothing but personal attacks and now trying to make yourself feel like less of an asshole.
 
2012-10-17 08:02:34 PM

vudukungfu: Skr: "Quazi Mohammad"
Funny, I didn't know he had turned to Islam.
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Shannen Doughier-ty?


Ten thousand years ago fat was sexiest.

What's changed?

Now, you just objectify it.

What has changed?

*mind-smooch*

*)
 
2012-10-17 08:02:51 PM
FBI protects Federal Reserve from fake FBI plot. Good job everyone, stay vigilant.
 
2012-10-17 08:03:16 PM

NutWrench: There's also the minor detail that the defendant didn't have the slightest chance in hell of accomplishing his evil deeds without federal assistance.

Also, FTA:

Paul J. Browne, deputy commissioner of the New York City Police Department, released the following statement on the alleged plot:
"After 11 years without a successful attack, it's understanding if the public becomes complacent. But that's a luxury law enforcement can't afford."

fark you. You actually have to manufacture terrorist attacks now in order to keep yourselves relevant?


this.
 
2012-10-17 08:03:37 PM

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


yes, you're right. Obama is the very first commander in chief.
 
2012-10-17 08:05:30 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.


www.thepensivecitadel.com
There are four branches of Government!
 
2012-10-17 08:05:47 PM

vudukungfu: NutWrench: There's also the minor detail that the defendant didn't have the slightest chance in hell of accomplishing his evil deeds without federal assistance.

Also, FTA:

Paul J. Browne, deputy commissioner of the New York City Police Department, released the following statement on the alleged plot:
"After 11 years without a successful attack, it's understanding if the public becomes complacent. But that's a luxury law enforcement can't afford."

fark you. You actually have to manufacture terrorist attacks now in order to keep yourselves relevant?

this.


so this is like all those times it happened under Bush right? Remember all the commotion over some black guys in Miami that wanted new tennis shoes?
 
2012-10-17 08:08:11 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 500x642]
wait wait wait, this was an attempted terror attack? not a favor? pic not related.


Hail Thunor! Hail Odhinn!
 
2012-10-17 08:08:24 PM

Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?


Only when they can make that stretch. Apparently he's not responsible for his economic decisions/policy over the past 4 years. It was cleary W's fault.
 
2012-10-17 08:09:39 PM
Just a thought, but can't we just say "good job!" to the FBI on this one and call it a day?
 
2012-10-17 08:12:01 PM

hootkr: FBI protects -fake money- in Federal Reserve from fake FBI plot. Good job everyone, stay vigilant.


FITY
 
2012-10-17 08:13:08 PM

Hobodeluxe: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

yes, you're right. Obama is the very first commander in chief.


You know that's not what I meant. Read my post before this one for what I'm getting at instead of partisan bullshiat.
 
2012-10-17 08:14:40 PM

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.

You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.

So still nothing but personal attacks and now trying to make yourself feel like less of an asshole.


You asked a stunningly stupid question and got treated like an idiot for it. Welcome to Fark.

In the future, think before posting and this can all be avoided. Also, it would behoove you to put your detailed questions in the Boobies you make instead of scribbling with crayons for half a dozen posts before finally getting to your semi-coherent point and expecting everyone to know what the fark you were blabbering in the first place.
 
2012-10-17 08:15:22 PM
Not sure if it has been pointed out, but the targeting is interesting. Originally he wanted to attack the New York Stock Exchange but then went after the Federal Reserve Building. After talking to the FBI. The difference is that the NYSE is a private organization that is not protected under certain laws. Especially not how attacking the Fed is a federal offense (even though it is private org), so this could also be turned into a much larger sentence in a federal facility rather than attacking a state building which could be taken as a state level offense.

Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but it does make for a better conviction rate for the FBI.
 
2012-10-17 08:16:57 PM

Too_many_Brians: Not sure if it has been pointed out, but the targeting is interesting. Originally he wanted to attack the New York Stock Exchange but then went after the Federal Reserve Building. After talking to the FBI. The difference is that the NYSE is a private organization that is not protected under certain laws. Especially not how attacking the Fed is a federal offense (even though it is private org), so this could also be turned into a much larger sentence in a federal facility rather than attacking a state building which could be taken as a state level offense.

Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but it does make for a better conviction rate for the FBI.


So the FBI gave him a bomb AND picked the target?
 
2012-10-17 08:18:19 PM
Don't you libtards understand anything? Had it blown up, it would have been nObama's fault. Since it didn't, it was a setup to entrap a legal citizen, so therefore it was total entrapment. I thought you lieberals had figured that out by now.
 
2012-10-17 08:18:58 PM
NYPD takes credit in 3...2...
 
2012-10-17 08:20:12 PM
FBI hires another ex-con to convince some idiot to carry out an attack. Surprise surprise
 
2012-10-17 08:20:34 PM

Vectron: Too_many_Brians: Not sure if it has been pointed out, but the targeting is interesting. Originally he wanted to attack the New York Stock Exchange but then went after the Federal Reserve Building. After talking to the FBI. The difference is that the NYSE is a private organization that is not protected under certain laws. Especially not how attacking the Fed is a federal offense (even though it is private org), so this could also be turned into a much larger sentence in a federal facility rather than attacking a state building which could be taken as a state level offense.

Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but it does make for a better conviction rate for the FBI.

So the FBI gave him a bomb AND picked the target?



THIS is becoming a pretty common thing. Law Enforcement recruits a patsy to plot an attack and then busts them.

Creating terrorists yourself is a pretty good way to show how good you are at catching them.
 
2012-10-17 08:21:35 PM

LL316: Just a thought, but can't we just say "good job!" to the FBI on this one and call it a day?


No, we must politicize it and create conspiracy theories! We must!
 
2012-10-17 08:22:41 PM
Wrap his ass in bacon and saute' slowly over a open fire pit, then airdrop his worthless ass over Iran.

/Have fun in gitmo farktard.
 
2012-10-17 08:25:56 PM
And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law. It's not like they walked up to him and said "Gee..seeing as how you are a religious nutjob, how would you like to blow up some shiat and sock it to the USA?". He had the intent to do something, and they stopped it before he could actually do damage. I have no problem with this.
 
2012-10-17 08:26:46 PM
What, no Four Lions references? I am disappoint.

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2012-10-17 08:30:04 PM
I hear there is a protest outside of the Bangladeshi consulate to protest this guy's besmirching the name of Islam
 
2012-10-17 08:31:35 PM
"Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, of Bangladesh, is accused of planning a terrorist bombing in New York."

Oh, he's only a Quazi-mohammedan. Is that like neo-pagan?
 
2012-10-17 08:33:05 PM

skullkrusher: "Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, of Bangladesh, is accused of planning a terrorist bombing in New York."

Oh, he's only a Quazi-mohammedan. Is that like neo-pagan?


/more like a diet coke of jihadists.
 
2012-10-17 08:33:56 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: skullkrusher: "Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 21, of Bangladesh, is accused of planning a terrorist bombing in New York."

Oh, he's only a Quazi-mohammedan. Is that like neo-pagan?

/more like a diet coke of jihadists.


all the jihad taste, none of the calories
 
2012-10-17 08:36:02 PM

GAT_00: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

If Bush could claim he prevented any attacks on America after 9/11, by the same logic this was prevented by Obama as well. Also, since he would be to blame for it like the GOP says he's to blame for Benghazi, therefore Obama prevented this.


Dear God, I'm in full agreement with GAT. Must leave thread and wonder how this could happen. Not prepared for this development.
 
2012-10-17 08:36:36 PM
Not entrapment? Hmm, let's see:

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #2: Wow man, that's cool. Here's a bomb, a whole lot of money and equipment, and I'll encourage you.
Joe #1: Cool! I can't believe you believe in me! I would never have known where to get 500 lbs of C4, a truck, remote detonators, a spare van, and all this other stuff.
Joe #2: you're under arrest

In real life, without entrapment

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #1 continues to drink his beer and go about his business, fades into background.
 
2012-10-17 08:37:54 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law.


I'm glad you specified "FBI" and not general law enforcement or the ATF. Because otherwise, Randy Weaver would like a word.
 
2012-10-17 08:38:31 PM
soooo, which member/part of the FBI gave him the idea, supplied him with all the tools he needed, and financed him, so they could turn around and prevent him from actually carrying it out? over and over again. how many times will people fall for this ruse?
 
2012-10-17 08:43:51 PM

Somacandra: This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.


Fark's law.
 
2012-10-17 08:47:31 PM

garkola: Not entrapment? Hmm, let's see:

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #2: Wow man, that's cool. Here's a bomb, a whole lot of money and equipment, and I'll encourage you.
Joe #1: Cool! I can't believe you believe in me! I would never have known where to get 500 lbs of C4, a truck, remote detonators, a spare van, and all this other stuff.
Joe #2: you're under arrest


correct. This is not entrapment. It appears as if you understand.

garkola: In real life, without entrapment

Joe #1: I want to go blow something up
Joe #1 continues to drink his beer and go about his business, fades into background.


no entrapment, no crime committed, therefore no arrest.
 
2012-10-17 08:48:28 PM
this is turning into yahoo type comments. "bombing plan thwarted" - Yay!!!! errr no the president is going to credit for this during election season. Me- I don't give a sh*t. lives were potentially saved because of the actions of the NYPD and the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigation. Is our memory so short that we have forgotton about the yellow- pink- red purple- pussy colored alerts that advised us to buy duct tape and plastic wrap? I much like being informed threats being averted instead of seeing bullsh*t alerts of the looming islamic fundamentalist zombie apocalypse.
 
2012-10-17 08:49:27 PM

Launch Code: So I guess obama grabbed a nightstick, some cuffs and handled things. Just like he handled bin laden. Shame he wasn't able to handle the terrorists that overran our embassy, killed 4 Americans and slaughtered an Ambassador. Oh right that wasn't terrorists, it was angry movie critics. That was Hillary's fault anyway, stupid girls.


Not to make light of a death, but does smoke inhalation count as "slaughtered" now?
 
2012-10-17 08:51:54 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law. It's not like they walked up to him and said "Gee..seeing as how you are a religious nutjob, how would you like to blow up some shiat and sock it to the USA?". He had the intent to do something, and they stopped it before he could actually do damage. I have no problem with this.


The problem is that thought crimes aren't illegal.

Here are the questions I have:
Did this man have any means or funding to acquire what he did?
Did they provide him with the same materials that are now really farking hard to get after things like Oklahoma City?
Is there any reason to believe that a member of an actual terrorist group would go on the internet in America to try and buy explosives and/or chemicals rather than import them? (hint: Those with connections and means that were planning on using explosives tried to smuggle them: the Underwear Bomber successfully smuggled his in[despite failing] and the cargo plane plot[that was only caught by a tipoff])
 
2012-10-17 08:54:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: Somacandra: This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.

Fark's law.


I'd just call it Replicator's law.
 
2012-10-17 08:54:54 PM
Lot of Republicans in this thread who wanted the guy to succeed.
 
2012-10-17 08:55:31 PM

thetubameister: Launch Code: So I guess obama grabbed a nightstick, some cuffs and handled things. Just like he handled bin laden. Shame he wasn't able to handle the terrorists that overran our embassy, killed 4 Americans and slaughtered an Ambassador. Oh right that wasn't terrorists, it was angry movie critics. That was Hillary's fault anyway, stupid girls.

Not to make light of a death, but does smoke inhalation count as "slaughtered" now?


It counts when the right can use it in a desperate attempt try to downgrade Obama's rather successful foreign policies, deflect from the fact that Romney has absolutely zero foreign policy experience or plans, and as a bonus have a chance to express glee over the death of a fellow American.

Plus, socialism and furthermore.
 
2012-10-17 08:56:36 PM

erveek: Lot of Republicans in this thread who wanted the guy to succeed.


I want to believe there's still some decency in the world, so I wanna think that they just wanted the authorities to look embarrassed.
 
2012-10-17 08:57:14 PM

ultraholland: astouffer: A bomb without explosives is not a bomb. Any kid with basic electronic knowledge can build a timer or some delay in detonation. So again I state that he could not figure out on his own how to get the explosives. If you have to ask these questions then you won't be very successful.

Your reasoning suggests that murder-for-hire isn't much of a crime.


The flaw in the reasoning is that he THOUGHT HE HAD EXPLOSIVES. If you are ready to kill someone, and all you lack is a hit man, then when you've gone through the yellow pages and found what you think is a hit man, you don't get to say later "But it wasn't a real hit man!" when the cops come to arrest you for attempted murder. Nor do you get to say "But my intended victim is still alive!" as if that somehow means you didn't really want him dead.

The same thing is true here. This poor fool went shopping for bomb materials. The fact that his "bomb" would not have exploded doesn't let him off the hook for the fact that he tried to set it off (any more than the person who hired the fake hit man gets to say their victim is still alive). Nor does the fact that the FBI might have "encouraged" his crime. He had an easy way not to commit the crime: Not to do it. If they really were the ones who said "Hey, let's blow something up!" and he really wasn't interested, all he had to do was say "Hey! Let's not!" But he didn't.

It is only entrapment if you do something you otherwise would not have done, or had no inclination to do. If this guy was the one who approached the FBI for his bomb--if he was even the one who first mooted the idea of blowing something up--then I'm sorry for all you government-haters out there, but it's just not entrapment. It was his idea, and they just gave him enough rope to blow himself up with.
 
2012-10-17 08:57:23 PM
Yo, FBI: well done.

*)
 
2012-10-17 08:58:33 PM

Indubitably: Yo, FBI: well done.

*)

 
2012-10-17 09:00:18 PM

bhcompy: Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law. It's not like they walked up to him and said "Gee..seeing as how you are a religious nutjob, how would you like to blow up some shiat and sock it to the USA?". He had the intent to do something, and they stopped it before he could actually do damage. I have no problem with this.

The problem is that thought crimes aren't illegal.

Here are the questions I have:
Did this man have any means or funding to acquire what he did?
Did they provide him with the same materials that are now really farking hard to get after things like Oklahoma City?
Is there any reason to believe that a member of an actual terrorist group would go on the internet in America to try and buy explosives and/or chemicals rather than import them? (hint: Those with connections and means that were planning on using explosives tried to smuggle them: the Underwear Bomber successfully smuggled his in[despite failing] and the cargo plane plot[that was only caught by a tipoff])


If you told an undercover cop that you would like to hire him to kill your wife but you didn't have enough money, would that be ok?
 
2012-10-17 09:01:44 PM

hootkr: FBI protects Federal Reserve from fake FBI plot. Good job everyone, stay vigilant.


There's nothing fake about it - this guy was looking for equipment to do a real bomb and he just happened to ask an undercover cop.

That isn't entrapment, not even ambiguously.
 
2012-10-17 09:01:45 PM

LoneVVolf: Funny how all these terrorist attacks that get thwarted end up being some schlub the FBI conned into buying fake explosives and pressing a button. Seems to happen every time citizens get uppity about sacrificing more and more individual freedoms in the name of security. The real disturbing question here, is when people stop buying into the soft scare tactics, are they going to let one of these go further to keep us ducking for cover?


I don't have a problem with stings. This was a sting.

And when it comes to giving up freedoms we don't NEED terrorists, scary (insert other race here) and "the drug dealers" work just fine.
 
2012-10-17 09:06:10 PM
files.abovetopsecret.com

How many weeks until the election?
 
2012-10-17 09:13:33 PM

Snapper Carr: Slartibartfaster: 12349876: If the government didn't find him and troll him

isn't that entrapment ?

As I understand it, they avoid entrapment by repeatedly trying to talk the suspect out of it (I'm not sure how earnestly they try, mind you). Whether or not he goes ahead with it is left up to his choice.


Entrapment is if the cop (or agent) says, "I yam a cop! I orders youse ta do this illegal thing! Now I arrests youse!" Also any other, "do this or else" duress counts, but I believe it falls under different legal categories (whatever the terminology is).

This was just a sting. No different than a drug buy or a fake prostitute.
 
2012-10-17 09:15:15 PM
Al Qaeda attempts to end deficit spending.
 
2012-10-17 09:15:32 PM
Obama nor his administration did sh*t...I know, because his tenure has been one of "do nothing".

That's why our debt was downgraded - for the first time since we (the U.S.) set the whole system up in the first place.

And remember why? Yep, the whole world looked at us and said, "You haven't gotten anything done and we frankly don't think you will."
 
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