Hobodeluxe: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

yes, you're right. Obama is the very first commander in chief.

You know that's not what I meant. Read my post before this one for what I'm getting at instead of partisan bullshiat.

Vectron: Too_many_Brians: Not sure if it has been pointed out, but the targeting is interesting. Originally he wanted to attack the New York Stock Exchange but then went after the Federal Reserve Building. After talking to the FBI. The difference is that the NYSE is a private organization that is not protected under certain laws. Especially not how attacking the Fed is a federal offense (even though it is private org), so this could also be turned into a much larger sentence in a federal facility rather than attacking a state building which could be taken as a state level offense.

Not exactly a conspiracy theory, but it does make for a better conviction rate for the FBI.

So the FBI gave him a bomb AND picked the target?


THIS is becoming a pretty common thing. Law Enforcement recruits a patsy to plot an attack and then busts them.

Creating terrorists yourself is a pretty good way to show how good you are at catching them.

LL316: Just a thought, but can't we just say "good job!" to the FBI on this one and call it a day?

No, we must politicize it and create conspiracy theories! We must!

What, no Four Lions references? I am disappoint.

Bit'O'Gristle: And for all the "omg..its entrapment" retards...the FBI looks for someone who already has intent, not just your average joe walking down the street. They have to show a interest first, not be approached with a idea that would be against the law.

I'm glad you specified "FBI" and not general law enforcement or the ATF. Because otherwise, Randy Weaver would like a word.

Somacandra: This thread proves there is no crime in existence that some Farker won't call either 1) entrapment or 2) thoughtcrime. It should get its own name, like Godwin's Law or Poe's Law or Cole's Law.

Fark's law.

ultraholland: astouffer: A bomb without explosives is not a bomb. Any kid with basic electronic knowledge can build a timer or some delay in detonation. So again I state that he could not figure out on his own how to get the explosives. If you have to ask these questions then you won't be very successful.

Your reasoning suggests that murder-for-hire isn't much of a crime.

The flaw in the reasoning is that he THOUGHT HE HAD EXPLOSIVES. If you are ready to kill someone, and all you lack is a hit man, then when you've gone through the yellow pages and found what you think is a hit man, you don't get to say later "But it wasn't a real hit man!" when the cops come to arrest you for attempted murder. Nor do you get to say "But my intended victim is still alive!" as if that somehow means you didn't really want him dead.

The same thing is true here. This poor fool went shopping for bomb materials. The fact that his "bomb" would not have exploded doesn't let him off the hook for the fact that he tried to set it off (any more than the person who hired the fake hit man gets to say their victim is still alive). Nor does the fact that the FBI might have "encouraged" his crime. He had an easy way not to commit the crime: Not to do it. If they really were the ones who said "Hey, let's blow something up!" and he really wasn't interested, all he had to do was say "Hey! Let's not!" But he didn't.

It is only entrapment if you do something you otherwise would not have done, or had no inclination to do. If this guy was the one who approached the FBI for his bomb--if he was even the one who first mooted the idea of blowing something up--then I'm sorry for all you government-haters out there, but it's just not entrapment. It was his idea, and they just gave him enough rope to blow himself up with.

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