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(CNN) NewsFlash Obama administration prevents terror attack at Federal Reserve Bank. Romney to blame Obama for not calling it a terror attack soon enough. RON PAUL to blame Obama for interfering   (news.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 476
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2012-10-17 07:09:32 PM

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust this needs no further clari ...


Someone here is missing the point, that's for damn sure. Perhaps you should try something a little easier.
 
2012-10-17 07:10:35 PM
It's too bad he failed.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-10-17 07:10:51 PM

Slartibartfaster: 12349876: If the government didn't find him and troll him

isn't that entrapment ?


Consider it an "IQ sieve."

Forget which Farker came up with that term the other day.
Tip O' the Hat to him/her anyway.
 
2012-10-17 07:11:00 PM

WhyteRaven74: Vectron: Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.

How does one engage in a war on a mindset?


by destroying minds.
 
2012-10-17 07:12:39 PM

Sticky Hands: mizchief: Jon iz teh kewl: tha romney plan is the greatest plan of them alll.

one plan. to rule them AL!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x281]

Dafuq are you talking about?

All you need to know is that Jon is always high.


Ahh, makes sense. Right on brother!
 
2012-10-17 07:14:04 PM

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust this needs no fur ...


So then i guess you don't have an explanation? Other than fluffing yourself, don't see much in the way of a response.
 
2012-10-17 07:14:15 PM

WhyteRaven74: Vectron: Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.

How does one engage in a war on a mindset?


I'm hoping the moratorium will last at least as long as the war on eastasia
 
2012-10-17 07:16:19 PM

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. I trust th ...


I've explained it to you twice already. It's not my up to me to explain the difference between desire and action with regard to legality. If you can't grasp that, you don't belong here. You're simply not intelligent enough to be in this discussion given your current lack of understanding on topics that most 7 year old children could clearly understand.
 
2012-10-17 07:17:08 PM

Mart Laar's beard shaver: Must be the Tea Party. Or the Buddhists.

The election's already over. Fark libs just doesn't recognize it. LOL (the smart party)

Thanks for playing.

[diplomatdc.files.wordpress.com image 398x600]


Obama made contact with an extra-terrestrial? What else is he hiding?
 
2012-10-17 07:17:58 PM
The van was then parked next to the bank. The pair went to a nearby hotel, where Nafis apparently recorded a video statement meant to be shown to the American public in connection with the attack.

"We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom," he said, according to the criminal complaint.

He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

Nafis was then arrested.


Lulz. Think they have video of that? Could be amusing watching that dipshiat be all confused about why his bomb isn't going off.
 
2012-10-17 07:19:11 PM
Sticky Hands: WhyteRaven74: Vectron: Lets have an immigration moratorium until the War on Terror is over.

How does one engage in a war on a mindset?

by destroying minds.


what if they're dangerous minds?
 
kab
2012-10-17 07:20:23 PM
You know who else was thwarted by faulty explosives?

c356309.r9.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2012-10-17 07:20:40 PM

bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.


Jack Bauer'd isn't appropriate. Instead the fed would have to "subject the bomb to enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding with 3 seconds left.
 
2012-10-17 07:22:00 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: Mart Laar's beard shaver: Must be the Tea Party. Or the Buddhists.

The election's already over. Fark libs just doesn't recognize it. LOL (the smart party)

Thanks for playing.

[diplomatdc.files.wordpress.com image 398x600]

Obama made contact with an extra-terrestrial? What else is he hiding?


His magic time machine, of course.
 
2012-10-17 07:24:49 PM

bhcompy: 12349876: bhcompy: It wasn't really prevention. This guy was given a fake bomb to "detonate" to prove guilt. It would be prevention if the FBI Jack Bauer'd the bomb with 3 seconds left.

If the government didn't find him and troll him, he might have been able to get a real one through some other means.

We'll never know, will we.

/of course the justice system will be okay with this bit of entrapment because who the fark needs civil liberties


8/10. I'm sure you got lotsa bites.
 
2012-10-17 07:25:12 PM


Hey baby, I will love you...
i2.cdn.turner.com
... to itty bitty pieces.



Gotta admit, that's one sexy looking terrorist.
 
2012-10-17 07:25:26 PM

shower_in_my_socks: f you would RTFA you'd know that the guy built the bomb. All he needed help with was getting a hold of the explosive materials. He put the bomb together. He parked it in a van outside the Fed. He recorded a video talking about why he was doing it. He then tried to set it off.


A bomb without explosives is not a bomb. Any kid with basic electronic knowledge can build a timer or some delay in detonation. So again I state that he could not figure out on his own how to get the explosives. If you have to ask these questions then you won't be very successful.
 
2012-10-17 07:26:06 PM
Liberal Fascism smells like Conservative fascism.

demonocracy.info


122.1 Trillion Dollars

$122,100,000,000,000. - US unfunded liabilities by Dec 31, 2012.
Abovet you can see the pillar of cold hard $100 bills that dwarfs the
WTC & Empire State Building - both at one point world's tallest buildings.
If you look carefully you can see the Statue of Liberty.

The 122.1 Trillion dollar super-skyscraper wall is the amount of money the U.S. Government
knows it does not have to fully fund the Medicare, Medicare Prescription Drug Program,
Social Security, Military and civil servant pensions. It is the money USA knows it will not
have to pay all its bills.
If you live in USA this is also your personal credit card bill; you are responsible along with
everyone else to pay this back. The citizens of USA created the U.S. Government to serve
them, this is what the U.S. Government has done while serving The People.

The unfunded liability is calculated on current tax and funding inputs, and future demographic
shifts in US Population.

Note: On the above 122.1T image the size of the bases of the money stacks are $10 billion, and 400 stories @ $4 trillion

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." - Thomas Jefferson

Everyone needs to see this.

Source: Federal Reserve & www.USdebtclock.org - visit it to see the debt in real time and get a better grasp of this amazing number.


Above graphic and info found at http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html
 
2012-10-17 07:26:50 PM
So it's ok to show a picture of Quazi Mohammad but not the Full Mohammed?
 
2012-10-17 07:28:30 PM

Abner Doon: The van was then parked next to the bank. The pair went to a nearby hotel, where Nafis apparently recorded a video statement meant to be shown to the American public in connection with the attack.

"We will not stop until we attain victory or martyrdom," he said, according to the criminal complaint.

He then tried, several times unsuccessfully, to detonate the device, which was actually inert explosives.

Nafis was then arrested.

Lulz. Think they have video of that? Could be amusing watching that dipshiat be all confused about why his bomb isn't going off.


Yakkity sax soundtrack?
 
2012-10-17 07:29:14 PM

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. ...


Ok cool, just making sure you didn't have anything useful to say someone may benefit from.
 
2012-10-17 07:31:48 PM
Only thing Obama ever prevented was an economic recovery. He willingly threw Hillary under the bus. What a coward.
 
kab
2012-10-17 07:32:03 PM
And suddenly the glass parking lot brigade is screaming 'entrapment'?

Damn, the endless vats of stupid on this site never ever get boring.
 
2012-10-17 07:32:24 PM

randomizetimer: Liberal Fascism smells like Conservative fascism.

[demonocracy.info image 850x1460]


122.1 Trillion Dollars

$122,100,000,000,000. - US unfunded liabilities by Dec 31, 2012.
Abovet you can see the pillar of cold hard $100 bills that dwarfs the
WTC & Empire State Building - both at one point world's tallest buildings.
If you look carefully you can see the Statue of Liberty.

The 122.1 Trillion dollar super-skyscraper wall is the amount of money the U.S. Government
knows it does not have to fully fund the Medicare, Medicare Prescription Drug Program,
Social Security, Military and civil servant pensions. It is the money USA knows it will not
have to pay all its bills.
If you live in USA this is also your personal credit card bill; you are responsible along with
everyone else to pay this back. The citizens of USA created the U.S. Government to serve
them, this is what the U.S. Government has done while serving The People.

The unfunded liability is calculated on current tax and funding inputs, and future demographic
shifts in US Population.

Note: On the above 122.1T image the size of the bases of the money stacks are $10 billion, and 400 stories @ $4 trillion

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." - Thomas Jefferson

Everyone needs to see this.

Source: Federal Reserve & www.USdebtclock.org - visit it to see the debt in real time and get a better grasp of this amazing number.

Above graphic and info found at http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html


Wait, you're telling me that the government doesn't get enough in taxes in one year to pay for social security and medicare for 100 years? I'm voting for Romney now.
 
2012-10-17 07:33:04 PM

legalgus: Only thing Obama ever prevented was an economic recovery.


The private sector of course has no blame for the state of the economy right?
 
2012-10-17 07:34:39 PM

cman: It's good that a terrorist plot was averted. If you like Obama or not, his guys were on the ball. Can't we just leave it at that?


I simply don't understand why we can't even celebrate a good thing if there's a chance to take a cheap partisan shot (see: OBL).

When people nay-say a certain event because the president is of a certain party, that's my cue to stop talking and back away slowly. That, or throw a punch. I'm not necessarily referring to this event (it could be argued that the crime was manufactured), but in general I'm tired of pissant little turds thinking so little of their country that they can't even enjoy a nice victory.
 
2012-10-17 07:36:12 PM
i didn't see obama mentioned in the article. maybe he was the undercover agent. they never give out those names.
that's probably it.
 
2012-10-17 07:36:40 PM

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...


Do you have to wear a helmet to post?
 
2012-10-17 07:36:41 PM

astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.


Oh, now. No man is an island. Everyone needs a little help being a terrorist sometimes.

/no shame in it
 
2012-10-17 07:36:52 PM

skinink: pottie: Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.

I'm sure he has a 5 point plan

Which will take six points to outline.


There are exactly seven things I'm upset about.
 
2012-10-17 07:38:05 PM

Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?


Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.
 
2012-10-17 07:38:15 PM

jigger: So it's ok to show a picture of Quazi Mohammad but not the Full Mohammed?


Never go full Mohammad.
 
2012-10-17 07:38:23 PM

Kuroshin: skinink: pottie: Kuroshin: Your move, Romney.

I'm sure he has a 5 point plan

Which will take six points to outline.

There are exactly seven things I'm upset about.


I'll come in again.
 
2012-10-17 07:42:28 PM
I'm very glad they caught Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, but worried that the real Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis might still be on the loose.
 
2012-10-17 07:42:53 PM
i1172.photobucket.com
wait wait wait, this was an attempted terror attack? not a favor? pic not related.
 
2012-10-17 07:45:08 PM
astouffer: A bomb without explosives is not a bomb. Any kid with basic electronic knowledge can build a timer or some delay in detonation. So again I state that he could not figure out on his own how to get the explosives. If you have to ask these questions then you won't be very successful.

Your reasoning suggests that murder-for-hire isn't much of a crime.
 
2012-10-17 07:46:58 PM

Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally stabbing him. ...


How about: Fantasize about blowing shiat up? legal. Trying to actually do it? Not so legal.
Still very hard to prove intent or prosecute for it.
That's why shoplifters are generally apprehended outside the store after they commit the crime. No law about carrying an item around- no way of clearly determining the intent of theft as the perp could abandon his plans along the way. Once you walk out the door without paying, it's pretty clear you intend on not paying.

In this case- fantasy about blowing up a federal building is creepy but not really criminal. Threatening to do so would be a crime, but probably carry minimal penalty. Allowing the perp to carry the crime out from planning to actual execution removes all doubt of intent.

What about sting operations? Legally questionable as the perp is afforded an opportunity to commit a crime that he may not have had the courage or means to carry out on his own. However, the perp may be offered opportunities to bail on his plans. In doing so- you establish intent or remorse, freewill vs collusion, etc.

I imagine a john deciding to walk rather than pay up front for sex (during a prostitution sting) may show intent but an unwillingness to carry out the crime. case dismissed.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:25 PM

CravenMorehead: Would have been nice if they had nabbed him BEFORE he tried to actually detonate the bomb. Had he not farked it up this would have been a very different day for us.


Well, they did know for a fact that he was actually trying to detonate 1000 lbs .of kitty litter, so there's that.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:36 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Treygreen13: Counter_Intelligent: Treygreen13: The FBI is now the Obama Administration?

Isn't the FBI part of the executive branch, at least?

I guess now that the Navy Seals are part of the Executive Branch, why not the FBI as well?

Um, The FBI is part of the Justice department which is part of the executive Branch.

The Navy Seals report up to the Department of the Navy which reports to the Secretary of the Navy which reports to the Defence secretary which is part of the executive branch.

There are 3 branches of Government not 5.


well really.... you could say that there are 3 official, 1 unofficial (party system) and 1 quasi official (the fed)  braches of government. in fact i have heard it said by economists that the fed chairman is the most powerful man in the country. by far more powerful than the president.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:39 PM

asmodeus224: astouffer: Oh great another one of these busts where the FBI plant starts asking who wants to blow stuff up. Some guy says yes so the FBI says well I know a guy that can build the bomb for you, lets get this ball rolling. Chances are on his own this would NOT have happened. If you need help being a terrorist then maybe terror is not for you.

They do the same thing with pedophiles, i don't have any problem with this strategy. Because if the FBI doesn't answer their outreach, someone will, and that someone may not be posing as a 12 year old girl or that person may not be selling playdough.


They're taking pages from their most successful playbook: breaking up the mafia. Get enough plants in a secret network and the network itself breaks down because no one can trust anyone else. They did this thousands of times in the 80's/90's while prosecuting organized crime.

Yeah, it's dangerously close to entrapment, but it works.
 
2012-10-17 07:47:52 PM

blatz514: So what wire did they cut? Red or Blue??


www.goradio.com
"All right, Bud, you have to cut the ground wire, not the lead wire. It's the blue wire with the white stripe. Not---I repeat---not the black wire with the yellow stripe."
 
2012-10-17 07:48:02 PM
static.squidoo.com
 
2012-10-17 07:51:30 PM

Spaced Cowboy: Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...

Do you have to wear a helmet to post?


You've yet to explain how desiring to commit an act, and seeking to commit that act have any measurable difference since neither produce any kind of victim Asking to buy drugs hurts no one, unless you can make a case for harassment.

What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.
 
2012-10-17 07:51:45 PM
So when do we start the invasion of Burma (or Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me)
 
2012-10-17 07:54:02 PM

mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...

Do you have to wear a helmet to post?

You've yet to explain how desiring to commit an act, and seeking to commit that act have any measurable difference since neither produce any kind of victim Asking to buy drugs hurts no one, unless you can make a case for harassment.

What you should have said was that taking people with clear intent off the streets makes us safer, where I could then counter with the argument that if anyone willing to sell dangerous items to any moron who asks for it, could be easily caught by posing as buyers. The reason this doesn't happen in my opinion is that the suppliers don't exist in numbers large enough to justify the cost we pay in borrowed money and forfeiture of our civil liberties, so the government has to set these guys up to justify the costs.

Since you would rather attack me personally with nonsense rather than argue your point, you offer nothing of value. The only example you tried to provide doesn't even match your own point.

I would suggest you wear a helmet when you post, but seems as though the damage has already been done.


You asked, in the most mindfarkingly stupid way, what the difference between thoughts and actual crimes were. Literally, that is exactly what you asked. You were summarily dismissed as a farking moron. It's too late for you to act like you have a clue now, sorry bud. Too little, too late.
 
2012-10-17 07:55:02 PM
I do kind of.remember a general feeling that averted terror attacks were uniformly awing by presidents. This was four, five years back, mind ya.
 
2012-10-17 07:57:30 PM

LoneDoggie: So when do we start the invasion of Burma (or Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me)


If you don't like...

Our country's name...

All we can say...

For shame. For shame...

-Myanmar Shave
 
2012-10-17 07:58:24 PM

clowncar on fire: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: mizchief: Spaced Cowboy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: bhcompy: The price of liberty is that bad people have an easier opportunity to do bad things. I'm okay with that price. Hell, the founders of this nation were, too.

Quote of the day.

Except that he has no idea what liberty was supposedly intruded upon and is simply trying to find a way to make this some sort of Tea Party Obama stohl mah liburty screed.

You never had the liberty to go around trying to do illegal shiat without getting your dumb ass arrested. If I go around asking a bunch of people for drugs, and one of those people is a law enforcement agent, am I somehow immune to prosecution when they arrange a fake drug sale to bust me? No, and it has farkall to do with personal liberty and everything to do with not being a god damn idiot intent on breaking the law.

So people should be arrested just for wanting drugs? That is basically your argument. Seems like maybe we should spend our man power looking for people who actually have the drugs/explosives/etc. rather than setting up people who apparently can't do it on their own anyway.

Try again, princess. I bolded the part that you failed hard on. Just wanting drugs/explosives is slightly different than actively seeking them out from undercover law enforcement.

I highly doubt this guy was just sitting around minding his own business when the FBI called him up and said "yo dawg, you want some explosives?"

And what exactly is that difference?

What's the difference between sitting around in your house wanting some drugs/explosives and going out into the world and actively seeking them? That's your question? I have to actually explain this to you? I mean, seriously.... That's the level at which you're entering this conversation. Yikes, ok then.

Just to humor you, it's roughly the same difference between wanting to kill your boss and driving to his home and non-fatally ...


See that is how grown people communicate ideas. I still stand by the argument that perusing people that have the intent and the means to carry out attacks yields better results than setting up people who are otherwise harmless unless provided the means to carry out the intent is useless and the waste of an opportunity to find people who are actually threats.
 
2012-10-17 07:58:52 PM
O Captain, my Captain!

Thank you, sir.

*bow*

P.S. Please remember: next debate = right to the face.
 
2012-10-17 08:00:08 PM

Skr: "Quazi Mohammad"
Funny, I didn't know he had turned to Islam.
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Shannen Doughier-ty?
 
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