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2012-10-17 09:46:30 PM

marius2: Part of me hates this idea
and most of me loves it.
/Yankees fan
//Am used to this team falling apart in the post-season



Huh? Five World Series wins since 1996 and 2009 is called falling apart? Seven AL pennants during the same time period. That's a championship ever 3 years.

/thinks some people will never be happy
 
2012-10-17 09:55:35 PM
There are four people in this photo with a penis. My money is on the fact that you will get at least one wrong:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-17 09:59:10 PM

Gunny Highway: Wasn't ARod all but traded to the Sox before the Players Association stepped in? Or something.


If only the MLBPA stepped in and stopped the firing of Francona and the hiring of Lackey and Valentine.

Wishful thinking.
 
2012-10-17 10:21:04 PM
Get rid of A-Rod, move Jeter to 3rd/DH. Get a decent hitting speedster at SS. Gardner/Grandy/Ichiro (sign him to a 1 year deal). They need more playmaking baserunners, Granderson/Cano/Tex/Martin/DH(non Jeter days) spot will provide enough power.
 
2012-10-17 10:27:11 PM
That would kind of be like seeing Emmitt Smith in an Arizona Cardinals' jersey.
 
2012-10-17 10:43:37 PM

WTF Indeed: Trade is supposed to be Heath Bell and his $20m for A-Rod and 80m-90m.


I'd take that in a heartbeat. A-Rod really has no one to blame but himself for this.
 
2012-10-17 10:44:33 PM

Dinobot: The Yankees were obviously drunk when they signed him to the most expensive 10 year contract... and it seems they're finally shaking off the hangover, but it seems it might be too late to take the morning after pill.


That's more George's last big contract than anything.
 
2012-10-17 10:45:59 PM

chimp_ninja: If they could somehow trade that albatross of a contract, they would also get the advantage of being able to move Jeter to 3B.

Right now, PECOTA projects A-Rod to be hitting .201/.299/.341 in the last year of that contract, which would make him basically unplayable. They figure him at about 10 wins over replacement (total) over 5 years, assuming he's reasonably healthy for the duration. Which he won't be.

He's maybe worth $30M, accounting for likely injury/health issues. He's owed $114M, plus:

- $10M signing bonus ($2M paid upon approval, $1M paid each Jan. 15, 2009-2013, $3M paid Jan. 15, 2014) - $4M left
- $30M marketing agreement based on home run milestones ($6M each for reaching 660, 714, 755 and tying and breaking major league HR record) - likely to get the first two if he plays, so $12M.
- Full no-trade protection

So really, he's owed $130M... and he has to agree to the trade. So the Yankees might have to chip in $20M/yr for 5 years, or close to it, plus the fair price of whatever they get back. 

Texas doesn't owe a dime, by the way-- their last year of chipping in for A-Rod's salary was 2010.


Let's say he hits 20 HR/season over the reaminder of the contract. That puts him at 747 and so close to the ultrahype of breaking the HR record, it might be worth it to the Marlins. Plus Latino in Miami. The Marlins should just go for a Latino all-star team and if that doesn't ge fans in the seats then move the whole franchise.
 
2012-10-17 10:49:33 PM

hbk72777: Get rid of A-Rod,


This.

move Jeter to 3rd/DH.

...hmmmm not to sure about his one.

Get a decent hitting speedster at SS

That would be nice if there was one around to be gotten.

Gardner/Grandy/Ichiro (sign him to a 1 year deal)

Gardner? Yes. Ichiro? Maybe. Grandy? No, forget it.

They need more playmaking baserunners, Granderson/Cano/Tex/Martin/DH(non Jeter days) spot will provide enough power.

Better contact hitters. That's what they need.
 
2012-10-17 10:51:17 PM

MFAWG: marius2: Part of me hates this idea
and most of me loves it.
/Yankees fan
//Am used to this team falling apart in the post-season

Honest question from Seattle: if FailRod goes, does that make them more likely to keep Ichiro around for a year or two?


I'm pretty sure the Yankees are going to try their damnest to sign Ichiro. Gardener is kinda injury-prone, and Swisher has pretty much played his way out of NY which his pay demands and sub-par playing this year.
 
2012-10-17 11:17:57 PM
The Yankees aren't going to 'blow up the team'. Are you serious - they're in the ALCS.
 
2012-10-17 11:21:42 PM
Presumably his no-trade clause is the reason he isn't being shopped more widely? I mean, if the going price is paying $20m total for five years of A-Rod, there should be a pretty active market for that, even if the last two or three of those years are a total washout. Two years at 2 WAR makes it a reasonably justifiable deal, and there's some chance of getting more than that.
 
2012-10-17 11:36:16 PM

Jamdug!: The Yankees aren't going to 'blow up the team'. Are you serious - they're in the ALCS.


Despite Rodriguez.
 
2012-10-17 11:41:14 PM

Super Chronic: Presumably his no-trade clause is the reason he isn't being shopped more widely? I mean, if the going price is paying $20m total for five years of A-Rod, there should be a pretty active market for that, even if the last two or three of those years are a total washout. Two years at 2 WAR makes it a reasonably justifiable deal, and there's some chance of getting more than that.


he's a 10 and 5 guy, he can veto any trade
 
2012-10-17 11:42:17 PM
Has Rodriguez really declined enough to pay him that much money to play on another team? And it's not like Bell would be a huge get or anything. Reyes, sure. Rodriguez is obviously on the decline of his career, and is no better than a mediocore bench warmer this postseason, but that's a lot of money. Wouldn't you want to at least platoon/bench him more often for another season or two? I think he can still be valuable that way. He could still have one last gasp of a great season as well, ala Jeter. Also, can he veto any deal, or what?
 
2012-10-17 11:48:33 PM

mikaloyd: OVER JETERS DEAD BODY!!


are you insinuating that A-rod and Jeter have an ongoing homosexual relationship where they bun each other and perhaps place penii in the other's mouth? How ORIGINAL!

Seriously have you seen pictures of some of the tail these two dudes have smashed? Oh? They are Bi? Riiiiiight. You are about as funny as raisin hole cancer and about as original as Hollywood.
 
2012-10-17 11:57:56 PM
Why not allow the guy to take steroids again? He was really, really awesome on them.
 
2012-10-18 12:03:43 AM

RoyHobbs22: are you insinuating that A-rod and Jeter have an ongoing homosexual relationship where they bun each other and perhaps place penii in the other's mouth? How ORIGINAL!


No but you tell a good homoerotic story.
 
2012-10-18 12:06:15 AM

mikaloyd: RoyHobbs22: are you insinuating that A-rod and Jeter have an ongoing homosexual relationship where they bun each other and perhaps place penii in the other's mouth? How ORIGINAL!

No but you tell a good homoerotic story.


It's not that good, but thank you.
 
2012-10-18 12:08:57 AM

RoyHobbs22: mikaloyd: OVER JETERS DEAD BODY!!

are you insinuating that A-rod and Jeter have an ongoing homosexual relationship where they bun each other and perhaps place penii in the other's mouth? How ORIGINAL!

Seriously have you seen pictures of some of the tail these two dudes have smashed? Oh? They are Bi? Riiiiiight. You are about as funny as raisin hole cancer and about as original as Hollywood.


It's not gay, when it's in a 3-way...

/The Golden Rule
 
2012-10-18 12:10:49 AM

RoyHobbs22: mikaloyd: RoyHobbs22: are you insinuating that A-rod and Jeter have an ongoing homosexual relationship where they bun each other and perhaps place penii in the other's mouth? How ORIGINAL!

No but you tell a good homoerotic story.

It's not that good, but thank you.


Dont be modest.

With a little practice and polish I think you could have a future career writing Yankee fanfic stories
 
2012-10-18 12:17:00 AM

mikaloyd: RoyHobbs22: mikaloyd: RoyHobbs22: are you insinuating that A-rod and Jeter have an ongoing homosexual relationship where they bun each other and perhaps place penii in the other's mouth? How ORIGINAL!

No but you tell a good homoerotic story.

It's not that good, but thank you.

Dont be modest.

With a little practice and polish I think you could have a future career writing Yankee fanfic stories


It's so hard to make time for practice due to . . . (the devil on my shoulder is telling me to make a joke about banging your mom, the angel is telling me to leave Fark forever)
 
2012-10-18 12:26:49 AM

RoyHobbs22: It's so hard to make time for practice due to . . . (the devil on my shoulder is telling me to make a joke about banging your mom, the angel is telling me to leave Fark forever)


tough call
 
2012-10-18 01:15:02 AM
Word I'm seeing is Arod and cash for Wells has decent potential. Win win
 
2012-10-18 01:19:38 AM

bhcompy: Word I'm seeing is Arod and cash for Wells has decent potential. Win win


wth is wells?
 
2012-10-18 01:26:39 AM

RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: Word I'm seeing is Arod and cash for Wells has decent potential. Win win

wth is wells?


Vernon Wells? Hear of him? He was in the AL East for many years. He also has an albatross contract(less than Arod).
 
2012-10-18 01:35:14 AM
Came here for a Boogie Nights "Rodriquez" reference. Then tried unsuccessfully to find one myself. Leaving highly disappointed.
 
2012-10-18 01:47:03 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Came here for a Boogie Nights "Rodriquez" reference. Then tried unsuccessfully to find one myself. Leaving highly disappointed.


You sure?

Look below:

French Rage: Is the plan to give them Alex Rodriquez when they think they're getting Alex Rodriguez?

 
2012-10-18 01:48:55 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Came here for a Boogie Nights "Rodriquez" reference. Then tried unsuccessfully to find one myself. Leaving highly disappointed.


Oh wait, I just saw the headline that has the Q. Nevermind the previous post :P
 
2012-10-18 01:49:04 AM

rocky_howard: HaywoodJablonski: Came here for a Boogie Nights "Rodriquez" reference. Then tried unsuccessfully to find one myself. Leaving highly disappointed.

You sure?

Look below:

French Rage: Is the plan to give them Alex Rodriquez when they think they're getting Alex Rodriguez?


Not good enough. I need screencaps
 
2012-10-18 02:10:12 AM

thisiszombocom: marlins have anything left to trade?


Heath Bell is a putz. But it wouldnt take much to get him, he makes way too much money.

I hope this whole sitting him down in the post season wasnt an attempt to get him to waive his no trade....
 
2012-10-18 02:13:06 AM

Dafatone: WTF Indeed: A-Rod's done. Granderson is out of the lineup tonight. They just need to blow up the team.

This isn't basketball. Heck, this doesn't apply to basketball either.

They need to put the best team they can on the field. Now, and in the future. If that involves A-Rod on the bench, whatever. There's no big problem that they have to blow up.

They're the Yankees. If they want to add another 50m in salary for pitching, they can do it. Whatever. "Starting over" only makes sense when you're not one of the best teams in baseball.


Or they could look at what the cubs are doing, just completely stripping ALL payroll and promising a "rebuild" that is not forthcoming. Then raise prices and watch morons still come to the ball park.
 
2012-10-18 08:36:11 AM
Take the deal and run, Brian Cashman.

RUN. And don't look back.
 
2012-10-18 08:45:25 AM

bhcompy: RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: Word I'm seeing is Arod and cash for Wells has decent potential. Win win

wth is wells?

Vernon Wells? Hear of him? He was in the AL East for many years. He also has an albatross contract(less than Arod).


Yeah and no, you are wrong
 
2012-10-18 08:56:23 AM
At least the Yankees pitching is good this post season. We just need some bats.
 
2012-10-18 09:15:56 AM

czetie: jayhawk88: 2013 (age 37): $28 million
2014 (age 38): $25 million
2015 (age 39): $21 million
2016 (age 40): $20 million
2017 (age 41): $20 million

Plus he's got $30m in "marketing bonuses" for certain HR milestones from 660 to 763.

There's no way they get any club to even the table without agreeing to eat at least half those numbers, right?

When ARod was traded to the Yankees, the Rangers were on the hook for $67M of his contract, as I recall. Did the 2007 contract get them out of that, even though the original contract would have run through 2009?



http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=146

It would appear that Rangers are/were still on the hook for $10 million in deferred compensation, but it looks like the $67 million owed to the yankees is gone.

regarding: "There's no way they get any club to even the table without agreeing to eat at least half those numbers, right?"

Yup, but it doesn't matter.

The yankee ball club loses something like $40-$50 million a year with salaries, luxury taxes, and other expenses. However, the YES network, which is partially owned by the yankees ...makes something like $400+ million a year (and worth and estimates $2-3 Billion).

So sure, the yankees will probably end up eating $70 million, but it won't affect them in a ny meaningful way. If they want to go out and get albert pujols and joe mauer....they can afford it.
 
2012-10-18 09:23:36 AM

RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: Word I'm seeing is Arod and cash for Wells has decent potential. Win win

wth is wells?

Vernon Wells? Hear of him? He was in the AL East for many years. He also has an albatross contract(less than Arod).

Yeah and no, you are wrong


Oh, thanks. I didn't realize you were Brian Cashman
 
2012-10-18 09:29:09 AM

jayhawk88: 2013 (age 37): $28 million
2014 (age 38): $25 million
2015 (age 39): $21 million
2016 (age 40): $20 million
2017 (age 41): $20 million

Plus he's got $30m in "marketing bonuses" for certain HR milestones from 660 to 763.

There's no way they get any club to even the table without agreeing to eat at least half those numbers, right?


what i heard is that ARod as a free agent would be offered 1 year at $5 mill. So, in 2013 alone the Yankees would have to eat $20 mill. Unless ARod finds a fountain of youth, it gets worse from there.
 
2012-10-18 09:32:58 AM

fatalvenom: There are four people in this photo with a penis. My money is on the fact that you will get at least one wrong:


And four personalized gift baskets went out the next day. What's your point? You are insanely jealous? That's ok, I'm sure Boston will crawl out of the cellar someday. Who knew that $20M was the difference between first and worst in the AL East. And most of that $20M isn't even a factor.

Looking back I curse the MLBPA for 2004. A-Rod goes to to Boston and no way they win that ALCS. Such is life.
 
2012-10-18 09:35:00 AM
Heath Bell will be awsome in the New York pressure cooker
 
2012-10-18 09:38:33 AM

SlothB77: what i heard is that ARod as a free agent would be offered 1 year at $5 mill. So, in 2013 alone the Yankees would have to eat $20 mill. Unless ARod finds a fountain of youth, it gets worse from there.


See, That's somEthing i can't wRap my mind arOund. I Don't know how Stallone does it, but he's 65 and looks ripped as hell.
 
2012-10-18 09:45:31 AM

rocky_howard: SlothB77: what i heard is that ARod as a free agent would be offered 1 year at $5 mill. So, in 2013 alone the Yankees would have to eat $20 mill. Unless ARod finds a fountain of youth, it gets worse from there.

See, That's somEthing i can't wRap my mind arOund. I Don't know how Stallone does it, but he's 65 and looks ripped as hell.


Hey, your caps key seems whacked out. Get someone to take a look at tHat.
 
2012-10-18 09:48:06 AM

bulldg4life: A couple things
a) PTI and Larkin/Schilling seemed to be pushing the "this is punitive, there is something more" angle pretty hard tonight. Then, this gets leaked. What in the hell is going on with the Yankees?
2) Did he really try and pick up a model with the ol' "letter on a baseball" thing during game 1? Would that make it easier for the Yankees to realize ARod is sucking right now?
d) How in the hell are they going to possibly trade him? Any team is going to force them to eat 80m or more.


Maybe not. See: Red Sox, 2012
 
2012-10-18 09:49:27 AM

KFBR392: If they want to go out and get albert pujols and joe mauer....they can afford it.


Brian Cashman, if you are reading this, he is only kidding. You can't afford it. Really. Now let's forget about this altogether, ok? And don't sign any players from Texas this offseason. I have a gut feeling about it. Ok now take care.
 
2012-10-18 10:00:44 AM

jayhawk88: 2013 (age 37): $28 million
2014 (age 38): $25 million
2015 (age 39): $21 million
2016 (age 40): $20 million
2017 (age 41): $20 million

Plus he's got $30m in "marketing bonuses" for certain HR milestones from 660 to 763.

There's no way they get any club to even the table without agreeing to eat at least half those numbers, right?


Only a complete retard GM would think otherwise.

So....introducing the starting third baseman for your 2013 Colorado Rockies.....
 
2012-10-18 10:29:26 AM
This will not happen, because there is one thing worse than a $25M a year 3B with mediocre numbers and a fragile body: Paying $20m of the $25M and watching him go somewhere else, get healthy and start giving a shiat again. (Yes, I think it is his drive more than anything else -- although I agree with experts who have commented on his bat speed.)

I still think A-Rod could shorten his stroke, stop trying to be a 50HR guy and contribute at a very high level. Seriously, if the Yanks have to pay for him anyway, who would be better in his place? Unless he is causing problems on the team, and I have not heard a word about that -- in fact his public behavior ad support of teammates has been better than ever as far as I can see, even after he was pinch hit for.

Yankee fans, please don't act like sox fans who throw their players under the bus at the first opportunity. He may be unctuous, but the guy won 2 MVPs and a Ring in pinstripes.
 
2012-10-18 12:31:00 PM

bhcompy: RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: Word I'm seeing is Arod and cash for Wells has decent potential. Win win

wth is wells?

Vernon Wells? Hear of him? He was in the AL East for many years. He also has an albatross contract(less than Arod).

Yeah and no, you are wrong

Oh, thanks. I didn't realize you were Brian Cashman


Now you know. Ha ha. I am just an idiot who is still holding out hope that Arod will continue to play a decent third steal some bases and hit for power.
 
2012-10-18 01:27:38 PM

RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: RoyHobbs22: bhcompy: Word I'm seeing is Arod and cash for Wells has decent potential. Win win

wth is wells?

Vernon Wells? Hear of him? He was in the AL East for many years. He also has an albatross contract(less than Arod).

Yeah and no, you are wrong

Oh, thanks. I didn't realize you were Brian Cashman

Now you know. Ha ha. I am just an idiot who is still holding out hope that Arod will continue to play a decent third steal some bases and hit for power.


On a side note the Jays GM deserved an executive of the year award for dumping him to the Angels
 
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