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(Ricochet)   CNN poll shows that Romney won on the economy, health care, taxes, the deficit, and leadership. So the media declares Obama the winner   (ricochet.com) divider line 54
    More: Obvious, Mitt Romney, obama, deficits, Frank Luntz, Freudian slip, TKO, big tent  
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2012-10-17 05:24:46 PM
6 votes:
How could he win on anything?

All he did was spew platitudes and not offer a single clue as to what kind of plan he had to make these pie in the sky things happen. His solution to everything was, literally, the rainbows and unicorns that the Republitards associate with Obama. In fact, Rainbows and Unicorns are more substantial than Romney's plans, because we've seen rainbows.

Are people really this retarded?
2012-10-17 09:35:37 PM
4 votes:
The GOP and their water-carriers are comprised almost entirely of pussies.

Rather than admit anything, you set about looking for someone to blame, or outlier polls . It can't possibly be that you simply dropped the ball.

This Nancy-boy masquerading as John Wayne bit is getting tiresome. Take off those jammies and put on your big boy pants. Pathetic.
2012-10-17 05:28:26 PM
4 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: How could he win on anything?

All he did was spew platitudes and not offer a single clue as to what kind of plan he had to make these pie in the sky things happen. His solution to everything was, literally, the rainbows and unicorns that the Republitards associate with Obama. In fact, Rainbows and Unicorns are more substantial than Romney's plans, because we've seen rainbows.

Are people really this retarded?


People like being told they can eat all the cake they want and still lose weight.
2012-10-17 09:49:12 PM
3 votes:
(from "stfusexists")

Here are a list of things Obama is saying about job creation:

• Keep jobs in this country
• Reform the tax code to encourage the above goal, and reward small businesses who create job
• Make sure community colleges focus on affordable job training
• Expand the green energy sector
• Take the money we've been spending on two wars to invest in infrastructure, the economy, etc.


Here is what Romney said:

• I know how to create jobs
• I'm going to create jobs
• You need a job
2012-10-17 09:12:23 PM
3 votes:
i.qkme.me
2012-10-17 06:48:48 PM
3 votes:
I didn't watch the debate. I know who I'm voting for.

When I turned on the local talk radio derpers this morning (to get weather and traffic) they were raging about how Candy Crowley should be tied to a chair and forced to watch tapes of Sean Hannity until she "learns what being an impartial journalist is supposed to look like" and how, despite the clear media bias, Romney was the *REAL* winner.

I thought "Wow, the White House staff must be having a hell of a time cleaning off Obama's shoes this morning, assuming they had ace spelunkers capable of retrieving them from Romney's small bowel."
2012-10-17 11:22:23 PM
2 votes:
Do you know the word "Mormon" wasn't mention once in this thread? Do know that Mormonism might be the ONE thing that Romney actually believes in? Nevermind the no coffee or booze at state dinners. That farker will try to turn America into Utah. But libs such as myself are supposed to be too open minded to mention it. Sister wives. How many farking cousins does Romney have? 30? 75? 150? We're just not supposed to mention it? I feel like his "Sure I like women, they can go home early to put a casserole in the oven" mentality opened him up to a binderful of criticism. fark the Mormons, those biatches are crazy.


/don't want a theocracy
// esp don't want a mormon theocracy
2012-10-17 10:33:05 PM
2 votes:

cirby: Obama's pretend-justification for claiming he said the Benghazi attack was terrorism was in reference to a speech he gave about the original 9/11 attack anniversary. No, he didn't say anything like "the Benghazi attack was terrorism."



Do you ever get your information from factual sources, or is it Faux News propaganda all day every day like some of my other conservative friends? The speech WAS NOT about 9/11. Here's how the speech that Obama gave about the attack in Benghazi began:

"Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger. Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi."

He then talks about that specific attack for the next 2/3rds of the speech. He then ties it together with 9/11 due to the date. He then ties to the two together by mentioning the military and civilian people around the world who represent the US and risk their lives. Then he mentions terror:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act."

That entire paragraph was about the Benghazi attack being an act of terror. Of course, anyone with an IQ above 80 who doesn't look at the world through a haze of right wing conspiracy derp would easily recognize this.
2012-10-17 10:27:10 PM
2 votes:

animal color: What the fark is wrong with the mods? They've been herping derp all day. This kind of shiat is growing tiresome.


It has to be a horse race. Otherwise, the media has no reason to live.
2012-10-17 09:58:21 PM
2 votes:

Shadowknight: Hobodeluxe: the secret of course is to have a balanced amount of discipline with the bound women. 

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Wow. Enjoy your vacation,


Why? It's not like he outed an alt, or called tenturds a troll.
2012-10-17 09:02:25 PM
2 votes:
2012-10-17 07:10:29 PM
2 votes:
i46.tinypic.com

"I have a magical five point plan to solve everything!"

i45.tinypic.com

"Guess what, buddy... I am the master of the Five Point Plan."

i47.tinypic.com

"LOOK, BOY! I'M TALKING HERE! YOU'LL GET YOUR GODDAMNED TURN! Wait... who taught you the Five Point Plan?"

i47.tinypic.com

i48.tinypic.com

"You mad, bro?"

i50.tinypic.com

"..."
2012-10-17 06:38:41 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Well, 0bama won based the four important measures:

1. Most time given in debate.
2. Number of moderators who they won over and got them to show bias.
3. Least amount of times interrupted by the moderator.
4. Most "ums" and "uhs"


Whaaaa freaking whaaa. Man up Nancy. Your guy got smoked.
2012-10-17 05:47:54 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: SilentStrider: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Did anybody sacrifice their ears and sanity to catch Limbaugh's spin on this? I would guess he calls Crowley fat or Obama a thug.

If I think about it I'll ask Weaver95 later.

Oh don't worry, if he listened he won't stop talking about how he martyred himself by choosing to listen to a talk show.


It is a useful service since it gives a heads up as to what derp idiot coworkers will be spewing
2012-10-18 07:26:58 AM
1 votes:

o5iiawah:

When you have no other argument, just throw out "Derp" "Warrgarbl" and "lies" doesn't make your point.


There really is no point to having a discussion with most of the right wingers in this forums (with the notable exceptions of cman and skullcrusher) because if you present facts and data that counter their positions they:

1. Ignore the post and data entirely and/or
2. Refuse to believe it because it comes from a "biased source" i.e. from somehting other than the right wing Wurlitzer and/or
3. Keep repeating the same set of debunked lies in every single thread on the boards, over and over.

Really the only option left is straight out mocking because you and your ilk refuse to have a conversation.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible positions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them." - Thomas Jefferson.
2012-10-18 02:08:46 AM
1 votes:
You know, this may be an overly broad generalization, but typically the guy who is reduced to sitting in the corner screaming a single talking point over and over again isn't considered the winner of a debate. Especially when that talking point contradicts something you said earlier in the same debate. The fact that Romney is polling above single digits is a damning condemnation of the American political system and the intelligence of the average American.
2012-10-17 11:15:48 PM
1 votes:
I stopped reading at "Frank Luntz." He's a huge hack who uses language to manipulate results (for example, he's the one who framed the estate tax as the "death tax").
2012-10-17 11:08:52 PM
1 votes:

Mentat: Leadership?

Romney: I-I-I-I think I'm supposed to get the last question there Candy.
Crowley: No, actually, you're not.
Romney: Yes, I think so. I'd like to respond to the President if I may.
Crowley: You agreed to the rules of the debate Governor, so we're moving on.
Romney: Trickle-down government.
Crowley: ...
Romney: *nailed it*


To be fair Romney did say that trickle down has never worked.

I think Romney did well in the debate but Obama out easily classed him. Romney often looked flustered and started to sound a bit whiny.
2012-10-17 10:36:22 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: Just cannot farking believe that there are people who will vote for Romney & Ryan. It's like they WANT the world to end!


If you think of the election like a football game it makes sense. My daddy was a fan of X, I'm a fan of X, gonna root for X until I die. The Republicans being the home team of course.
2012-10-17 10:02:37 PM
1 votes:

cirby: Nobodyn0se:
It's so amazing to me how the right wing will straight up admit that a moderator correcting Romney on the facts is being in the bag for Obama, which is a subtle way of saying Obama has the facts and Romney doesn't.

You do realize that the moderator - Candy Crowley - actually admitted that Romney was right? After the debate, when the 70 million or so people who saw the "incorrection" had already tuned out? She even tried to weasel it then, but couldn't actually justify her action.

It's only a "correction" when you're correct.

This is on top of allowing Obama to complain - incorrectly - that he was being shorted on time, and interrupting Romney continually with no basis for doing so.

Obama's pretend-justification for claiming he said the Benghazi attack was terrorism was in reference to a speech he gave about the original 9/11 attack anniversary. No, he didn't say anything like "the Benghazi attack was terrorism." On the other hand, for that whole first two weeks, his entire staff was saying it was all about that silly video. One generic reference to terrorism doesn't undo dozens of "it was the Mohammed video, dammit!"



Great now lets go to the transcripts of the rose garden:
"Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourn with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those, both civilian and military, who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."

The entirety of the speech prior to this is about Benghazi (about 3/5 of the whole speech this is about 1/5 of the speech). I am curious how half a paragraph (that ends referring to the attack in Benghazi) that is separated by a paragraph and a half from "No acts of terror" in the speech dictates Obama not classifying the Benghazi attack as a terrorist act, yet 10+prior paragraphs, about Benghazi and not 9/11 some how does nothing to indicate that this is classified as an act of terror.


The short version of it is Obama did call it an act of terror that is a fact. Period. Read the transcript yourself and stop listening to talking heads from either side (here it is even a foxnews link for you Link


This is similar to how Crowley's comments have been distorted about her "saying Romney is right"
or as she has commented "People are going to look at this through the prism they look at this through. I get that." What she said is people could interpret the "No act of terrorism" part as only referring to 9/11 HOWEVER given that it was part of an address called for the attack on Benghazi and focused on Benghazi it is not a far jump to say that he considers Benghazi an act of terrorism.



This brings me to a question I want to ask.
If the attacks on the consulate were (not saying they are but IF they were) triggered by the video. Why does that make it mutually exclusive and it is no longer considered an act of terrorism?

I feel like people have lost the definition of terrorism the last few years and link it purely to attacks by Muslims directed at the west. Failing to realize that the majority of the attacks at any of the embassies/consulates on 9/11 even ones that were mobs of people (like the Egypt Embassy one). Is technically an act of terrorism. It was purely a demonstration targeted at inciting fear in a group of people to try and change something.

or as a dictionary puts it:
"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."



Furthermore Crowley was also correct in addressing the point in favor of Romney, that the administration did wait 2 weeks before back tracking on the video stand point.

Threads like this are what happen when people only get news from talking heads looking to spin the news one way or another. Read what people said and make up your own farking mind. This is the reason why our country has gone to shiat. It is not the Republicans. It is not the Democrats. It is everyone deciding they need to be told what to think rather than thinking on their own and coming to their own decisions.
2012-10-17 09:48:17 PM
1 votes:
imageshack.us
2012-10-17 09:47:48 PM
1 votes:

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: GAT_00: SilentStrider: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Did anybody sacrifice their ears and sanity to catch Limbaugh's spin on this? I would guess he calls Crowley fat or Obama a thug.

If I think about it I'll ask Weaver95 later.

Oh don't worry, if he listened he won't stop talking about how he martyred himself by choosing to listen to a talk show.

It is a useful service since it gives a heads up as to what derp idiot coworkers will be spewing


Because weaver has never shown interpretation bias... what a stupid idea that weaver is giving you a factual interpretation.
2012-10-17 09:37:25 PM
1 votes:

cirby: Nobodyn0se:
It's so amazing to me how the right wing will straight up admit that a moderator correcting Romney on the facts is being in the bag for Obama, which is a subtle way of saying Obama has the facts and Romney doesn't.

You do realize that the moderator - Candy Crowley - actually admitted that Romney was right? After the debate, when the 70 million or so people who saw the "incorrection" had already tuned out? She even tried to weasel it then, but couldn't actually justify her action.

It's only a "correction" when you're correct.

This is on top of allowing Obama to complain - incorrectly - that he was being shorted on time, and interrupting Romney continually with no basis for doing so.

Obama's pretend-justification for claiming he said the Benghazi attack was terrorism was in reference to a speech he gave about the original 9/11 attack anniversary. No, he didn't say anything like "the Benghazi attack was terrorism." On the other hand, for that whole first two weeks, his entire staff was saying it was all about that silly video. One generic reference to terrorism doesn't undo dozens of "it was the Mohammed video, dammit!"


You realize that she said no such thing and that Obama referred to the Benghazi attack as an "act of terror" the very next day, right?

You realize that the fact that you have to throw out three separate lines of spin to make Romneys lie even remotely true weakens your case and doesn't strengthen it, right?

What am I talking about, of course you don't. Keep going after Obama on foreign policy that one briar patch he *doesn't* want to be thrown into, certainly.
2012-10-17 09:29:22 PM
1 votes:
Is fark going to have another Night of the Long Knives about 3 days after the election? I figure that's when all the troll alts will disappear and we can cleanse the site of about, oh I don't know, ten pounds worth of derp.
2012-10-17 09:25:21 PM
1 votes:
Florida's exit polls in 2000 and Ohio's in 2004 taught me polls are no better than throwing chicken bones in the air.
2012-10-17 09:23:05 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Here's a transcript of the debate. Stop worrying about who declared whom the winner or what polls say. Decide for your own damn self and vote or don't accordingly.


Meh. While I agree with your sentiment, anyone who planned on making an informed decision this election has already gotten informed and made their decision.

All that's left at this point are people who would be swayed by silly notions like "who won the debates."

I guess what I'm saying is that asking people who have chosen to be willfully ignorant for the last 6 months to suddenly care and educate themselves seems like tilting at windmills.
2012-10-17 09:18:29 PM
1 votes:

Dr.Zom: shiat like this is why I will never, ever vote for a Republican. They are the biggest bunch of whiny crybaby pussy hypocrites to ever inhabit the American landscape and I simply would never want to be associated with them on moral grounds.


You've obivously never met a Texas A&M football fan.
2012-10-17 09:16:22 PM
1 votes:
si.wsj.net
2012-10-17 09:16:07 PM
1 votes:
shiat like this is why I will never, ever vote for a Republican. They are the biggest bunch of whiny crybaby pussy hypocrites to ever inhabit the American landscape and I simply would never want to be associated with them on moral grounds.
2012-10-17 09:12:26 PM
1 votes:
Years later, and your blog still sucks.
2012-10-17 09:04:28 PM
1 votes:

BMulligan: unlikely: Free Republic and LGF both put out calls for everyone to go skew the polls. I suspect that might have something to do with it.

Wait - I DNRTFA, but are you implying that we're arguing about an Internet survey here? Not even a real poll? Because that would make this conversation even stupider than it already was.


You are correct, it is much more stupiderererer than you can imagine.
2012-10-17 09:03:03 PM
1 votes:

Free_Chilly_Willy: President in waiting Romney.

Calling it now


What, not even any statisticals?
ecl
2012-10-17 09:01:21 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: ecl: b/c Americans are f*cking retarded.


Yeah....like when they fell for Obama's bullshiat Mccain/Palin got nearly half the votes.


FTFY
2012-10-17 08:53:44 PM
1 votes:
So the GOP would prefer a moderator that doesn't know how to moderate like the first debate?
2012-10-17 08:50:21 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Well, 0bama won based the four important measures:

1. Most time given in debate.
2. Number of moderators who they won over and got them to show bias.
3. Least amount of times interrupted by the moderator.
4. Most "ums" and "uhs"


You know how everyone knows that you know that Romney lost this debate?
2012-10-17 08:48:38 PM
1 votes:
tenpoundsofcheese:
Look at how the recent Gallup poll has Romney increasing his lead - obviously that isn't based on last night's debate,

Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh about that poll

Here's the regional makeup of it.

East Obama 52, Romney 48: O+4
Midwest Obama 52, Romney 48: O+4
South: Romney 61, Obama 39: R+22
West: Obama 53, Romney 47: O+6

Gee Romney is six points in a national poll (which means nothing) based on results in a bunch of states he's likely to win by double digits.

AMAZING!
2012-10-17 08:48:25 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: How could he win on anything?

All he did was spew platitudes and not offer a single clue as to what kind of plan he had to make these pie in the sky things happen. His solution to everything was, literally, the rainbows and unicorns that the Republitards associate with Obama. In fact, Rainbows and Unicorns are more substantial than Romney's plans, because we've seen rainbows.

Are people really this retarded?




Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yyyyyyyeeeeeeeessss!
2012-10-17 08:48:23 PM
1 votes:
It's amazing that Romney wins on all issues related to the economy when his entire economic policy hinges on cutting tax loopholes which he won't name.
2012-10-17 08:44:11 PM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: vernonFL: Ace of Spades makes Townhall look like The Economist.

Their blog sucks. No clicky.


Now now. Blogs can be useful. They can do great things. For example, they can be used to prove how accurate tax plans are.
2012-10-17 08:42:08 PM
1 votes:
It's so amazing to me how the right wing will straight up admit that a moderator correcting Romney on the facts is being in the bag for Obama, which is a subtle way of saying Obama has the facts and Romney doesn't.

If even the right wing fully admits Obama is telling the truth and Romney isn't, what chance does Romney have?
2012-10-17 08:30:47 PM
1 votes:
Oh, and I almost forgot: your blog sucks.
2012-10-17 08:14:34 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: SilentStrider: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Did anybody sacrifice their ears and sanity to catch Limbaugh's spin on this? I would guess he calls Crowley fat or Obama a thug.

If I think about it I'll ask Weaver95 later.

Oh don't worry, if he listened he won't stop talking about how he martyred himself by choosing to listen to a talk show.


Weaver already discussed it in a different thread earlier today.

In the few minutes of the show I caught
- Rush accused Fox News of being part of a media conspiracy to make Obama look good
- Rush said the problem was that people were only comparing Obama to Romney, and instead they should be comparing Obama to Obama in 2008.
2012-10-17 07:47:23 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: Lionel Mandrake: It's really hard for me to ignore tenpoundsofcheese if people keep quoting it.

You could leave the thread

You'd have to avoid the Politics Tab entirely.

Anyway, I find the responses amusing, even though I have TPoC on ignore. Thinking about taking him off, though, just for the lulz since it seems like the desperation is starting to reach critical mass.


Like I said in another thread (about a different shill/troll/whatever), whether he's serious or not, he's good preparation for the conversations I'll undoubtedly be having with my dad's side of the family. The quickest way to stop them from inundating every second of a visit with uber-retarded wingnut spin is to shut them down with facts.

With fark's help, I am prepared for levels of derp that might otherwise shock me into something that resembles submission.
2012-10-17 07:44:13 PM
1 votes:
TPOC has turned up the levels of pussywhinywharrgarrrble. Further proof Romney got smoked
2012-10-17 07:36:21 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: so if people vote based on who got more airtime

Yeah, but Romney got to say more words!!!  OMFG!! Moderator was in the tank for Romney!!

-yes, you sound that retarded.

That word count does not include 0bama's uhhhs and umms.

With those, 0bama is over 9000.


What if we include Romney's "IT'S MY TURN!! MY TURN!! MY TURN!! MY TURN!! WAAAAA!!!!!!"
2012-10-17 07:21:00 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: He looks like he could order someone to kill the moderator, here.


A family of sociopaths is the perfect prescription for what ails America:


i50.tinypic.com
i47.tinypic.com
2012-10-17 07:17:31 PM
1 votes:
He looks like he could order someone to kill the moderator, here.

i50.tinypic.com
2012-10-17 07:14:25 PM
1 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: so if people vote based on who got more airtime

Yeah, but Romney got to say more words!!!  OMFG!! Moderator was in the tank for Romney!!

-yes, you sound that retarded.

It's really hard for me to ignore tenpoundsofcheese if people keep quoting it.


You could leave the thread
2012-10-17 07:06:37 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: so if people vote based on who got more airtime


Yeah, but Romney got to say more words!!!  OMFG!! Moderator was in the tank for Romney!!

-yes, you sound that retarded.
2012-10-17 07:03:51 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: (see CNN polls)

OK

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Hey, didn't the shills think CNN were dirty LIE-bruls until they found a few partial polls saying Romney won something?
2012-10-17 07:02:10 PM
1 votes:
That is cute and clever and original how a zero is used instead of an O. You are such an adorable little fella. Maybe pop pop will bring you for ice cream later
2012-10-17 06:40:57 PM
1 votes:
Okay, okay. Who knows if these Luntz focus groups are meaningful?

24.media.tumblr.com

OH!! OH!! OH!! OH!! OH!! OH!! OH!!

They're not...?
2012-10-17 05:42:05 PM
1 votes:

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Did anybody sacrifice their ears and sanity to catch Limbaugh's spin on this? I would guess he calls Crowley fat or Obama a thug.


If I think about it I'll ask Weaver95 later.
2012-10-17 05:32:48 PM
1 votes:
And then there's Frank Luntz's group:

And that's where I stopped bothering. F*ck Frank Luntz with a rusty chainsaw. He's up there with Karl Rove and Grover Norquist on the list of people who've truly farked political discourse in this country.
 
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