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2012-10-17 01:23:31 PM  
have sunken through

Maybe subby knows a bit about this subject.
 
2012-10-17 01:29:57 PM  
In their defense, they beat the former superbowl champions and just gave the Ravens a tough...pshh ha ha couldn't make it through that one. In their prosecution they got destroyed by the hawks, are 2 and 4 with some tough games coming up, lost their starting back, and showed some good chokage and inexperience against the Ravens. Plus a Jake performance.

/not picking on the fans, but Jerry is going full Rex Ryan
 
2012-10-17 01:32:42 PM  
Dallas has the talent to be a damn good team, but their staunch refusal to accept a gift-wrapped, diamond-encrusted "W" from Tiffany's, courtesy of the Ravens last week was one of the more baffling things I've seen this year.
 
2012-10-17 01:33:11 PM  

thecpt: not picking on the fans, but Jerry is going full Rex Ryan


HEY.

At least Rex is occasionally darkly amusing. Don't dis the Ryans like this.
 
2012-10-17 01:33:45 PM  

thecpt: In their defense, they beat the former superbowl champions and just gave the Ravens a tough...pshh ha ha couldn't make it through that one. In their prosecution they got destroyed by the hawks, are 2 and 4 with some tough games coming up, lost their starting back, and showed some good chokage and inexperience against the Ravens. Plus a Jake performance.

/not picking on the fans, but Jerry is going full Rex Ryan


The Cowboys are 2-3, not 2-4. And they lost the Ravens game on a missed FG, so hard to say they didn't give them a tough game.
 
2012-10-17 01:35:03 PM  
Is Romo still the starting QB?


Then, no. Sorry Mr. Jones.
 
2012-10-17 01:35:40 PM  
Give him a break, he just wants some glory hole.
 
2012-10-17 01:35:50 PM  
That being said... until that offensive-line improves, Dez Bryant figures out what the hell he's supposed to be doing, and the team cuts back on penalties - they've got no chance.
 
2012-10-17 01:36:31 PM  
"We've got to have some wins to make sure we're in the hunt, but I keep pointing out we're fresh off a world champion [Giants] that won nine of 16 ballgames last year,"

Tony Romo is not, nor will he ever be on Eli Manning's level. The Cowboys are terrible and consistently overrated.
 
2012-10-17 01:37:18 PM  

tennessee.hillbilly: Is Romo still the starting QB?


Then, no. Sorry Mr. Jones.


Oh look, another moron.

The Cowboys had 9 possessions this Sunday and scored on 7 of them. And they lost.

And it's somehow Tony Romo's fault. Not the defense that gave up 31 points, not the 108 yard kickoff return for a TD. Not the dropped 2-pt conversion in the end-zone that would have tied it. Not the missed FG. It's Tony Romo.
 
2012-10-17 01:40:34 PM  
They had a good showing against the Ravens and probably should have won......But so what?

Since Jason Garret took over the majority of their games have been decided by a touchdown. They games they win they barely scrape by and are fighting for every yard. They have had only a few complete wins under him.

Penalties are still there. The defense, for all the money they have put into it, hasn't looked all that great. Still hardly any turnovers. The only guy who can get a sack is Ware. There hasn't been much improvement to their offensive line, Romo still has to play matador most of the game. Receivers drop balls and miss routes constantly.

If they string a few big wins together I might change my attitude about them. But I just can't see it happening.

/Cowboys fan..... :(
 
2012-10-17 01:41:14 PM  

thecpt: In their defense, they beat the former superbowl champions and just gave the Ravens a tough...pshh ha ha couldn't make it through that one. In their prosecution they got destroyed by the hawks, are 2 and 4 with some tough games coming up, lost their starting back, and showed some good chokage and inexperience against the Ravens. Plus a Jake performance.

/not picking on the fans, but Jerry is going full Rex Ryan


If you're gonna criticize the Cowboys at least get the most basic fact right and that's their record. They are 2-3 not 2-4.

And Romo can be successful as he has shown in the Ravens game (even with a less than average o-line) if Garrett sticks with the no-huddle offense. They were killing the Ravens with both short passes and runs the whole first half but as soon as there's a clock stoppage (either incomplete pass or the ball carrier is pushed out of bounds) Romo was back in the huddle and the defense was once again chaning the personnel and confusing Romo at the line of scrimmage.

Stick with no huddle offense and wins will come.
 
2012-10-17 01:41:27 PM  
Romo has peaked, he's as good as he will ever get (which isn't very much). They need to find a new franchise QB.
 
2012-10-17 01:42:40 PM  
highfivetothat.files.wordpress.com

GOD DAMMIT THE STUPID IN THIS THREAD HURTS MY HEAD SO MUCH
 
2012-10-17 01:42:44 PM  

Treygreen13: And it's somehow Tony Romo's fault. Not the defense that gave up 31 points, not the 108 yard kickoff return for a TD. Not the dropped 2-pt conversion in the end-zone that would have tied it. Not the missed FG. It's Tony Romo.


I fully believe he is capable, but that he has no dependable weapons. Felix Jones will be injured after two games now, Witten still seems like a timebomb for that spleen thing, Dez would be great if his hands didnt turn into rocks as if the ball were Medusa, and like you said no o-line.

sorry about the record miscount, but still why say this crap now.
 
2012-10-17 01:43:26 PM  
Elderly dementia. It's a shame when that happens. -_-
 
2012-10-17 01:45:07 PM  

Treygreen13: And it's somehow Tony Romo's fault. Not the defense that gave up 31 points, not the 108 yard kickoff return for a TD. Not the dropped 2-pt conversion in the end-zone that would have tied it. Not the missed FG. It's Tony Romo.


I don't think it's Romo's fault either, but there was a surprising lack of awareness by 10 other players on the field while Romo's trying to bark out a play before the timeout was finally called (which deserves its own discussion). Dez Bryant catches a short pass and spends the first four seconds barking at the official for unknown reasons instead of paying a lick of attention to what his QB is trying to call. Two other WRs are way downfield and lolligag back to the LOS and of course aren't paying attention to Romo's signals. IIRC, there was something like 7 seconds from Bryant's reception until people are lined up and somewhat ready for instructions. Jesus.
 
2012-10-17 01:46:23 PM  

thecpt: I fully believe he is capable, but that he has no dependable weapons. Felix Jones will be injured after two games now, Witten still seems like a timebomb for that spleen thing, Dez would be great if his hands didnt turn into rocks as if the ball were Medusa, and like you said no o-line.


I think Witten is back on track, finally. And when Dez isn't making bone-headed mistakes he's a real weapon - but that's exactly who he is right now, a guy who will catch 9 balls for 100 yards and 2 TDs and then drop a ball that hit him in the hands to send the game to overtime.

The Cowboys have a lot of issues to deal with currently. The offensive line being the primary one.

The reason ddam thinks that defenses "confuse" Tony Romo is because every time Tony Romo gets a snap the Nose Tackle nearly beats the ball to him. Hard to run any sort of structured offense when you get a free rusher on every. single. play.
 
2012-10-17 01:46:55 PM  

ddam: thecpt: In their defense, they beat the former superbowl champions and just gave the Ravens a tough...pshh ha ha couldn't make it through that one. In their prosecution they got destroyed by the hawks, are 2 and 4 with some tough games coming up, lost their starting back, and showed some good chokage and inexperience against the Ravens. Plus a Jake performance.

/not picking on the fans, but Jerry is going full Rex Ryan

If you're gonna criticize the Cowboys at least get the most basic fact right and that's their record. They are 2-3 not 2-4.

And Romo can be successful as he has shown in the Ravens game (even with a less than average o-line) if Garrett sticks with the no-huddle offense. They were killing the Ravens with both short passes and runs the whole first half but as soon as there's a clock stoppage (either incomplete pass or the ball carrier is pushed out of bounds) Romo was back in the huddle and the defense was once again chaning the personnel and confusing Romo at the line of scrimmage.

Stick with no huddle offense and wins will come.


The 2012 Ravens are not the Ravens of old. They're missing Suggs, and even before Ray Lewis got knocked out for the season they were near the bottom of the league in yards allowed per game. The only reason they're 5-1 is because of their weak-ass division.

Treygreen13: tennessee.hillbilly: Is Romo still the starting QB?


Then, no. Sorry Mr. Jones.

Oh look, another moron.

The Cowboys had 9 possessions this Sunday and scored on 7 of them. And they lost.

And it's somehow Tony Romo's fault. Not the defense that gave up 31 points, not the 108 yard kickoff return for a TD. Not the dropped 2-pt conversion in the end-zone that would have tied it. Not the missed FG. It's Tony Romo.


The Cowboys are 2nd in the league in total defense. They're 2-3. IT IS TONY ROMO.
 
2012-10-17 01:47:38 PM  
On the one hand, Jerry's right. All that matters is getting in the playoffs, and it's a total crapshoot from there. Week 15 of last year, the Giants were 7-7, and the Packers were either undefeated or a 1-loss team (I forget, and it really doesn't matter for this discussion). If you're one of the last 12, you've got a shot.

On the other hand, HAHAA! HA HAA HAAA HAAAA!

No.
 
2012-10-17 01:50:50 PM  

Killer Cars: Treygreen13: And it's somehow Tony Romo's fault. Not the defense that gave up 31 points, not the 108 yard kickoff return for a TD. Not the dropped 2-pt conversion in the end-zone that would have tied it. Not the missed FG. It's Tony Romo.

I don't think it's Romo's fault either, but there was a surprising lack of awareness by 10 other players on the field while Romo's trying to bark out a play before the timeout was finally called (which deserves its own discussion). Dez Bryant catches a short pass and spends the first four seconds barking at the official for unknown reasons instead of paying a lick of attention to what his QB is trying to call. Two other WRs are way downfield and lolligag back to the LOS and of course aren't paying attention to Romo's signals. IIRC, there was something like 7 seconds from Bryant's reception until people are lined up and somewhat ready for instructions. Jesus.


Drew Pearson was on ESPN radio today and he said that Jason Garrett is in Tony's helmet telling him to try to run a play so they can preserve the timeout. So not only is he just trying to get people on the line, they're trying to get people to line up for an actual play. So he's at the line calling out the play and he looks up and Dez Bryant has his back to the play screaming at the referee, and they realize that he's not going to be back in time so they call the timeout.

At least 7 seconds was spent. Hell, Dez was still trying to stand up and run with two guys on him. It took him 5 seconds just to go to the ground.

Anyway, 51 yards is a makeable kick in the NFL and missing it was just a missed kick, and we should move on.
 
2012-10-17 01:51:33 PM  
I think Romo is just one of those guys that is too nice. That's his leadership mentality. Other guys have a leadership mentality of being dictators. Different strategies work with different players. Dez Bryant needs a dictator, apparently. I felt bad for Tony at the end of that Ravens game.
 
2012-10-17 01:51:49 PM  

Fark It: The Cowboys are 2nd in the league in total defense. They're 2-3. IT IS TONY ROMO.


Are you watching the games?
 
2012-10-17 01:52:12 PM  
The Giants were one of the better 9-7 teams to ever make the playoffs, they were stacked with talent.
 
2012-10-17 01:53:45 PM  
Something's wrong with the Cowboys and you don't know what it is,
do you, Mr. Jones?
 
2012-10-17 01:54:10 PM  
What is he supposed to say?

"Yeah we suck. We don't stand a chance this year. PLayoffs??? Lets not talk about playoffs. I don't think we win another game."

That would go over well.
 
2012-10-17 01:57:15 PM  

Fark It: The Cowboys are 2nd in the league in total defense.


And 20th in points allowed. You know, the way they keep score and decide who won the game.
 
2012-10-17 01:58:33 PM  
I think the sooner that he realizes that his ultra hands-on approach and giving himself more titles than a feudal lord are actually hurting the Cowboys, the better off everyone would be. I know some die-hard Cowboys fans who are still pissed about Jones sacking Tom Landry.

There's nothing wrong with owning a team and being passionate about them (because their success makes you lotsa $$), but Jones is going to micro-manage them into the ground. For the sake of his ego only.

Please Jerry, for a fellow Arkansas alum. Tone down the crazy (and the tanning). Maybe politely suggest that Jason Garrett should take a course at Tarrant CC about time management (I believe they are offered to incoming students).

/not a Cowboys fan
 
2012-10-17 01:58:50 PM  

Senordos13: PLayoffs??? Lets not talk about playoffs


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2012-10-17 01:59:01 PM  

Senordos13: What is he supposed to say?

"Yeah we suck. We don't stand a chance this year. PLayoffs??? Lets not talk about playoffs. I don't think we win another game."

That would go over well.


You could just avoid saying anything about the championships especially when they're not brought up. "Correct," Jones said. "Let me emphasize that. I'm not into everybody getting better or learning for years to come. It's this year." - Thats just stupid. You don't have to say we're going to win everything or we suck.
 
2012-10-17 02:00:34 PM  

Treygreen13: Oh look, another moron.

The Cowboys had 9 possessions this Sunday and scored on 7 of them. And they lost.

And it's somehow Tony Romo's fault. Not the defense that gave up 31 points, not the 108 yard kickoff return for a TD. Not the dropped 2-pt conversion in the end-zone that would have tied it. Not the missed FG. It's Tony Romo.


The slow, aimless, directionless, clueless meandering on second-and-nine with 26 seconds and a timeout that could have been used to get better field position for a more makeable field goal is certainly in part Tony Romo's fault. The man finds a way to do stuff like that, or throw multiple pick-sixes, that takes them out of position to win the game.
 
2012-10-17 02:00:44 PM  
I like that Jerruh has stepped up to take over the insane near-zombie owner role form Al Davis.
 
2012-10-17 02:03:03 PM  
As opposed to saying they suck and probably wont make the playoffs? Come on.
 
2012-10-17 02:06:11 PM  
Sorry Cowboys fans. I feel your pain. Yes, this team has the talent to win more games, win their division, win their confereence and then the Superb Owl. Yes, this is true. Just the same as it is for the other 31 teams in the league. They're all playing on a professional level, otherwise they wouldn't be in the NFL.

But let's look as some facts here: Since the last time the Cowboys were in the Superb Owl, an expanion team has won, the once laughable Patriots have won 3 out of 5, the Buccaneers have won (THE farkING BUCCANEERS, MAN!), the Rams have won, and stop the presses, your hated Championship Rivals, the Steelers, have won 2 out of 3 times. The only thing that was consistent during this period is one thing ... Jerry Jones is the owner. Numerous coaches, QB's, RB's, WR's, switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense and whatnot did absolutely nothing to change this. Hell, even the legendary Bill Parcells could do nothing with this team.

The problem is ownership. Period.

And I'm sick and tired of hearing that Tony Romo is a good QB. Sure, he's slightly above average on a severely curved scale ... compared to Jamarcus Russel or Akili Smith, he's good, but he's just not a playoff or championship caliber QB. Accept it, and get over it.

My team sucks this year, too BTW.
 
2012-10-17 02:06:48 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark It: The Cowboys are 2nd in the league in total defense.

And 20th in points allowed. You know, the way they keep score and decide who won the game.


Tony Romo is a terrible free safety. Clearly this is his fault
 
2012-10-17 02:07:20 PM  

kronicfeld: The slow, aimless, directionless, clueless meandering on second-and-nine with 26 seconds and a timeout that could have been used to get better field position for a more makeable field goal is certainly in part Tony Romo's fault. The man finds a way to do stuff like that, or throw multiple pick-sixes, that takes them out of position to win the game.


Go watch the video.
Cowboys/Ravens Highlights

He throws the pass at :26. Dez catches it and struggles for yards until :20. Tony runs to the line and is calling the play while Dez Bryant is arguing with the referee. Dez turns around at :14 and runs to the line. Just watch it. The clip shows Tony standing at the line calling the play and lining people up until timeout is called. You can see him yelling, it's a tight shot on his face.

He's not wandering around aimlessly.
 
2012-10-17 02:11:43 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark It: The Cowboys are 2nd in the league in total defense. They're 2-3. IT IS TONY ROMO.

Are you watching the games?


Tony Romo has thrown an INT in every game this season. He broke 100 in Passer Rating once, in week one against the Giants. He failed to throw a TD pass against the 31st-ranked pass defense in week 3. He's not a good quarterback.
 
2012-10-17 02:12:50 PM  

Fark It: ddam: thecpt: In their defense, they beat the former superbowl champions and just gave the Ravens a tough...pshh ha ha couldn't make it through that one. In their prosecution they got destroyed by the hawks, are 2 and 4 with some tough games coming up, lost their starting back, and showed some good chokage and inexperience against the Ravens. Plus a Jake performance.

/not picking on the fans, but Jerry is going full Rex Ryan

If you're gonna criticize the Cowboys at least get the most basic fact right and that's their record. They are 2-3 not 2-4.

And Romo can be successful as he has shown in the Ravens game (even with a less than average o-line) if Garrett sticks with the no-huddle offense. They were killing the Ravens with both short passes and runs the whole first half but as soon as there's a clock stoppage (either incomplete pass or the ball carrier is pushed out of bounds) Romo was back in the huddle and the defense was once again chaning the personnel and confusing Romo at the line of scrimmage.

Stick with no huddle offense and wins will come.

The 2012 Ravens are not the Ravens of old. They're missing Suggs, and even before Ray Lewis got knocked out for the season they were near the bottom of the league in yards allowed per game. The only reason they're 5-1 is because of their weak-ass division.


The Ravens are a different team... they used to win with an average QB that just had to manage the game and not throw INTs and an outstanding defense. This year they are winning because the offense is outscoring the other team's offense and a lot of that is the no huddle offense.

The no huddle offense works because it limits the amount of defensive substitutions but also forces the defense to limit blitzes or fake blitzes at the line of scrimmage. Romo will never be a QB like Brady or Peyton but he can be on par if not better than Flacco and Eli if he's given the opportunity to succeed and a lot of the problems that the offense has can be attributed to the style of offense that they run.
 
2012-10-17 02:13:04 PM  

qsblues: And I'm sick and tired of hearing that Tony Romo is a good QB. Sure, he's slightly above average on a severely curved scale ... compared to Jamarcus Russel or Akili Smith, he's good, but he's just not a playoff or championship caliber QB. Accept it, and get over it.


Tony Romo's career stats: 64.7% completion rate (4th among all active players) QB Rating of 95.9 (3rd among all active players).

Tony Romo is a very, very good QB.

Deal with it.
 
2012-10-17 02:14:50 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark It: The Cowboys are 2nd in the league in total defense.

And 20th in points allowed. You know, the way they keep score and decide who won the game.


They're -8 in turnover differential, the only team worse than that is Philly, and they have the 3rd-most giveaways in the league so far, and this is after only 5 games, most teams haven't had their bye week yet. When your offense turns the ball over that much it makes it harder for the defense to keep points off the board.
 
2012-10-17 02:16:22 PM  

Fark It: Tony Romo has thrown an INT in every game this season. He broke 100 in Passer Rating once, in week one against the Giants. He failed to throw a TD pass against the 31st-ranked pass defense in week 3. He's not a good quarterback.


Are you watching the games?

Answer the question.

Because if you were, you'd have seen that Tony Romo's entire receiving corps outside Kevin Ogletree in the Giants game was dropping EVERYTHING thrown their way.
Just stone-handed on a hilarious level. This week, the team started catching again and scored 29, which should have been 31 if Dez doesn't go stone-hands in the endzone on the most critical play of the game.
 
2012-10-17 02:16:22 PM  

Treygreen13: Tony Romo's career stats: 64.7% completion rate (4th among all active players) QB Rating of 95.9 (3rd among all active players).


Hey, he's supposed to have A-Rodg or Brees stats without the receivers. Or the continual O-line first round picks.
 
2012-10-17 02:16:28 PM  

ddam: Romo will never be a QB like Brady or Peyton but he can be on par if not better than Flacco and Eli

better than Eli


That delusion......
 
2012-10-17 02:18:01 PM  

Fark It: Treygreen13: Fark It: The Cowboys are 2nd in the league in total defense. They're 2-3. IT IS TONY ROMO.

Are you watching the games?

Tony Romo has thrown an INT in every game this season. He broke 100 in Passer Rating once, in week one against the Giants. He failed to throw a TD pass against the 31st-ranked pass defense in week 3. He's not a good quarterback.


Tony Romo is a better than average QB (I'd put him in the 7-12 range for starters) but he is inconsistent and I also doubt his leadership skills. He takes accountability for his mistakes which is important for a leader but he's also not always in control of his offense. I don't place that on his shoulders 100% (Garrett has a lot of blame for that too) but he needs to be more assertive on the field and work harder at his communication with his WR especially young ones like Dez Bryant who obviously needs a ton more work.
 
2012-10-17 02:19:33 PM  

Fark It: ddam: Romo will never be a QB like Brady or Peyton but he can be on par if not better than Flacco and Eli

better than Eli

That delusion......


I said he can be better than Eli... he's not better than Eli and I've never claimed that.
 
2012-10-17 02:20:39 PM  
The problem is ownership. Period.

I've said this before and I'll repeat it: there are certain teams who are quality from TOP DOWN- the Giants, even in non-championship seasons, are one of those teams. The Packers are another. The Pats are yet another. You almost never hear ANYTHING from the Mara's, Krafts or the multiple public owners of the Packers. And if you do, it's generally something good.

Then you have the Jets, Cowboys, Raiders, etc. Ineptitude from the TOP DOWN. Wild, ridiculous predictions, dunderheaded draft choices, etc. There IS a difference.
 
2012-10-17 02:21:10 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark It: Tony Romo has thrown an INT in every game this season. He broke 100 in Passer Rating once, in week one against the Giants. He failed to throw a TD pass against the 31st-ranked pass defense in week 3. He's not a good quarterback.

Are you watching the games?

Answer the question.

Because if you were, you'd have seen that Tony Romo's entire receiving corps outside Kevin Ogletree in the Giants game was dropping EVERYTHING thrown their way.
Just stone-handed on a hilarious level. This week, the team started catching again and scored 29, which should have been 31 if Dez doesn't go stone-hands in the endzone on the most critical play of the game.


So,... Tony Romo is the only quarterback whose receivers are dropping passes? If that's the case then Cutler must be an elite quarterback.

/Philip Rivers, Andy Dalton, and Tony Romo
//the only QBs who have thrown a pick in every game this season
 
2012-10-17 02:21:54 PM  

Fark It: They're -8 in turnover differential, the only team worse than that is Philly, and they have the 3rd-most giveaways in the league so far, and this is after only 5 games, most teams haven't had their bye week yet. When your offense turns the ball over that much it makes it harder for the defense to keep points off the board.


Or, maybe, just maybe, the Dallas Cowboys defense got torched this game. You know, the one we're talking about.

Where they gave up 31 points. 31. Of the 28 teams in action this week, the Cowboys outscored 20 of them. They scored on 7 of 9 drives.

The offense was not the problem here. It was tremendous failures in both special teams and on the defense.

Plus a missed FG.
 
2012-10-17 02:23:16 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The Giants were one of the better 9-7 teams to ever make the playoffs, they were stacked with talent.


Ah, yes, but you're going to hit some serious circular logic there. After all, what's the proof of the Giants' level of talent? It's that they were good enough to win a Super Bowl.

The difference in overall talent levels throughout the NFL is miniscule. At the start of the season, every fanbase can look at the roster and legitimately think "OK, this team has a pretty good shot at 10-6."
 
2012-10-17 02:23:53 PM  

ddam: Dez Bryant who obviously needs a ton more work.


He's an absolute man child/ diva. If you're confrontational or a dictator, his ego would clash with your objectives. Coaches need to humble him or step in somehow. I can't name a quarterback who succeeds with a receiver like that currently.
 
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