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(CNN)   Actual Headline: Split Decision on Debate... Check article... Yah, Obama won 46 to 39   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 214
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2012-10-17 11:33:05 AM
CNN is starved for ratings and revenue.. They'll put ANYTHING in a headline to get page hits.

DO YOU HEAR THAT, DREW? ANYTHING! Now stop redlighting all my crappy submissions!
 
2012-10-17 11:34:35 AM
Technically 99-1 is a "split" decision.
 
2012-10-17 11:35:41 AM
Political horse races are big business.
 
2012-10-17 11:36:08 AM
At this point Ahmadinejad can pull off an amazing come-from-nowhere win as long as it just farking ends already.
 
2012-10-17 11:36:48 AM
Who the hell are these undecided voters? The assholes I get stuck behind in the Taco Bell drive thru line?
 
2012-10-17 11:37:03 AM

YouGov: Debate effect on moderates: Obama more favorable 43%, Romney less favorable 31% (= 74%) / Obama less 12% Romney more: 16% (= 28%)

- Lompe (@Lompemann) October 17, 2012
 
2012-10-17 11:38:42 AM
They're still going to face each other in the playoffs.
 
2012-10-17 11:39:52 AM
Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error.

I think the Picard Facepalm pics will be getting a lot of use today.
 
2012-10-17 11:41:16 AM

cretinbob: Who the hell are these undecided voters? The assholes I get stuck behind in the Taco Bell drive thru line?


And more to the point who's still undecided at this point? I know a lot of people don't like Obama but Mittens is the goddammed anti-candidate. If you haven't decided by now who you're voting for you're probably too stupid to be trusted to do so responsibly and should do us all a favor and just stay home on election day.
 
2012-10-17 11:41:34 AM
Obama 46% Romney 39%

Margin of error: +/- 4.5% pts

SPECIAL NOTE OF CAUTION #2: The sample of debate-watchers in this poll were 33% Democratic and 33% Republican. That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about 8 points more Republican than an average of CNN polls taken in 2012 of all Americans, so the respondents were more Republican than the general public.


Possible 9 point swing with full margin of error in one direction negated by 8% oversampling of Republicans so only split is CNN's pants from trying to carry Romney
 
2012-10-17 11:52:18 AM
One of the biggest problems with this country is that people actually think CNN has journalistic integrity.
 
2012-10-17 11:58:33 AM

The Onion is prophetic: Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error.

I think the Picard Facepalm pics will be getting a lot of use today.


they did this after the first debate, too, which explains the outlier results.
 
2012-10-17 12:22:33 PM
Like I posted in another thread:

If there was ever any doubt that CNN was now a right-wing media source, that was cleared up after the debate when David Gergen apologized for calling the debate for Obama. He felt much more comfortable calling the first debate for Romney. Very obvious what their marching orders are. What ever happens, don't call a clear victory for Obama - Romney fine - but never Obama.
 
2012-10-17 12:28:16 PM

mrshowrules: Like I posted in another thread:

If there was ever any doubt that CNN was now a right-wing media source, that was cleared up after the debate when David Gergen apologized for calling the debate for Obama. He felt much more comfortable calling the first debate for Romney. Very obvious what their marching orders are. What ever happens, don't call a clear victory for Obama - Romney fine - but never Obama.


I found it telling that they decided to "fact check" right after this debate. After the first one they spent an entire week crowing about how super fantastic that Romney chap was without ever managing to getting around to mentioning how much he lied that night.
 
2012-10-17 12:29:38 PM
Sounds like someone is unfamiliar with both a split decision and a margin of error.
 
2012-10-17 12:49:39 PM
Lame stream media!
 
Bf+
2012-10-17 12:50:53 PM
CNN: Fair and Balanced.
 
2012-10-17 12:51:15 PM

mrshowrules: Like I posted in another thread:

If there was ever any doubt that CNN was now a right-wing media source, that was cleared up after the debate when David Gergen apologized for calling the debate for Obama. He felt much more comfortable calling the first debate for Romney. Very obvious what their marching orders are. What ever happens, don't call a clear victory for Obama - Romney fine - but never Obama.


Obama won. However,

"Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error."
 
2012-10-17 12:52:24 PM
People still go to CNN for news?

Weird.
 
2012-10-17 12:53:15 PM

markie_farkie: DO YOU HEAR THAT, DREW?


That's a very good question, and thank you for that. I'd like to go back to want to get back to what my opponent, Mr. Obama, answered with the last question as it's important and the time keeping is not fair, so I am going to answer the last question again...
 
2012-10-17 12:53:55 PM
Why does CNN remind me of Arlen Specter?
 
2012-10-17 12:54:34 PM
oh look, someone else who doesn't understand what it means when a poll is within the margin of error.

0bama needed a knockout, he failed.
 
2012-10-17 12:55:15 PM
Dear CNN

As Republicans go further to the right, playing the false center to seem objective becomes a losing business strategy.

Republicans will STILL think you are too far to the left
Democrats will get sick of the BS false equivalencies and move to MSNBC which skews left in the afternoon/evening
Undecideds will continue to not watch the news because the only people who are still undecided at this point are uninformed morons

Congrats, you have no audience.
 
2012-10-17 12:55:29 PM

Voiceofreason01: cretinbob: Who the hell are these undecided voters? The assholes I get stuck behind in the Taco Bell drive thru line?


I"m pretty sure it's the guy I have to stand behind at every Redbox, as he leans against the kiosk, smokes a cigarette and reads the descriptions of every goddamn available movie, even those I'm pretty sure he's seen before. He then gets on the cellphone and calls up his wife/spouse/girlfriend to get her input on what he should rent. After 15 minutes of judicious consternation, he ultimately picks an action movie featuring a current/former professional wrestler.
 
2012-10-17 12:55:49 PM

CreamFilling: Sounds like someone is unfamiliar with both a split decision and a margin of error.


Yeah, I called out one of our more prolific trolls yesterday for completely misapprehending the idea of "margin of error," but the fact is that most people, from all points along the ideological spectrum, get it wrong more often than not.
 
2012-10-17 12:56:15 PM
And the Yankees beat Detroit last night 0-3
 
2012-10-17 12:56:28 PM
0bama did better than the last debate, but again, got a lot more time and Romney had to deal with a 2 on 1, so it is close enough to a draw.
 
2012-10-17 12:56:33 PM

skullkrusher: mrshowrules: Like I posted in another thread:

If there was ever any doubt that CNN was now a right-wing media source, that was cleared up after the debate when David Gergen apologized for calling the debate for Obama. He felt much more comfortable calling the first debate for Romney. Very obvious what their marching orders are. What ever happens, don't call a clear victory for Obama - Romney fine - but never Obama.

Obama won. However,

"Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error."


Of course Obama won. My point however is how depressed and discouraged the CNN panel seemed to be to admit this. They had huge boner when it came to saying Romney beat Obama in the first debate.

CNN has been shifting right for 2 years now IMHO.
 
2012-10-17 12:56:33 PM

skullkrusher: "Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error


When you have a sampling error that big, you might as well just not bother trying to get any useful information out of it.
 
2012-10-17 12:56:34 PM

Granny_Panties: Why does CNN remind me of Arlen Specter?


They both died of cancer?
 
2012-10-17 12:57:34 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Technically 99-1 is a "split" decision.


Technical win is best win.
 
2012-10-17 12:57:58 PM

incendi: skullkrusher: "Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error

When you have a sampling error that big, you might as well just not bother trying to get any useful information out of it.


I think that's pretty much implied in "post debate snap polling"
 
2012-10-17 12:58:31 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: oh look, someone else who doesn't understand what it means when a poll is within the margin of error.

0bama needed a knockout, he failed.


Actually, he didn't, he just needed to not get steamrolled, which he did. Nevermind the fact, it was a good wind up and connected squarely on Mitt's chin, but it wasn't a knock out. Obama will win the re-election, no doubt about it, but it's fun to see the spin come about when Mitt isn't debating a sleep walking suit.

I'm sure your next talking point will be about Candy being pro-Obama, right? Isn't that what Fox News is telling you to say?
 
2012-10-17 12:59:05 PM

BMulligan: CreamFilling: Sounds like someone is unfamiliar with both a split decision and a margin of error.

Yeah, I called out one of our more prolific trolls yesterday for completely misapprehending the idea of "margin of error," but the fact is that most people, from all points along the ideological spectrum, get it wrong more often than not.


What percent get it wrong and is that within the poll's margin of error?
 
2012-10-17 12:59:27 PM

incendi: skullkrusher: "Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error

When you have a sampling error that big, you might as well just not bother trying to get any useful information out of it.


absosmurfly a good point. Was thinking the same thing.
 
2012-10-17 12:59:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama did better than the last debate, but again, got a lot more time and Romney had to deal with a 2 on 1, so it is close enough to a draw.


There it was! I knew your next Fox News Talking Point would show up, but I thought it was in another thread, but searching quickly allowed me to find it.

You know what's funny? I read Fox News, too. I don't do it to be informed, as it's not informative, I do it so I already know your talking points and can debunk them readily.
 
2012-10-17 01:00:15 PM

incendi: skullkrusher: "Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error

When you have a sampling error that big, you might as well just not bother trying to get any useful information out of it.


Accurate information? No, of course not.

Useful information? Depends on what they're trying to use it for...

/Farking hate political polls
//For exactly the reason you mentioned
 
2012-10-17 01:00:52 PM
FTFA: "Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error."

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC, with 457 registered voters who watched the debate questioned by telephone after the end of the debate. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

Does no one at CNN know how Margin of Error works? They should hire nate silver to fact check their posts.
 
2012-10-17 01:00:53 PM
rofl, looked at the thread again without any filters and you KNOW it was a big Obama victory when even the retard-trolls are submitting half-assed attempts to say that Obama didn't win, or didn't win big enough.

/run-on sentence is run-on
 
2012-10-17 01:01:21 PM
stephenskory.com

I hate these filthy ratings whores, Kif! With Fox you know where they stand but with CNN? Who knows! It sickens me.
 
2012-10-17 01:01:30 PM

mrshowrules: skullkrusher: mrshowrules: Like I posted in another thread:

If there was ever any doubt that CNN was now a right-wing media source, that was cleared up after the debate when David Gergen apologized for calling the debate for Obama. He felt much more comfortable calling the first debate for Romney. Very obvious what their marching orders are. What ever happens, don't call a clear victory for Obama - Romney fine - but never Obama.

Obama won. However,

"Obama's seven-point advantage came among a debate audience that was somewhat more Republican than the country as a whole and is within the survey's sampling error."

Of course Obama won. My point however is how depressed and discouraged the CNN panel seemed to be to admit this. They had huge boner when it came to saying Romney beat Obama in the first debate.

CNN has been shifting right for 2 years now IMHO.


dunno, don't watch it. I think being the contrarians to a President who doesn't enjoy widespread, enthusiastic support pays better.
 
2012-10-17 01:01:37 PM
Clinton News Network
now Corporate News Network.
 
2012-10-17 01:02:16 PM
46-39 is within one touchdown, hardly a blowout. if they hadn't changed the clock-stop-out-of-bounds rule then romney would have had time on the last drive to win it...
 
2012-10-17 01:03:13 PM
CNN is now a right-wing mouthpiece?

Hardly. The headline spoke to the percentages being within the margin of error.

Why the anger?
 
2012-10-17 01:03:40 PM

proteus_b: 46-39 is within one touchdown, hardly a blowout. if they hadn't changed the clock-stop-out-of-bounds rule then romney would have had time on the last drive to win it...


lol +10
 
2012-10-17 01:03:47 PM
GOP mindset: Rmoney gets silver medal at debate - Fartbongo comes in second-last!
 
2012-10-17 01:05:27 PM
I don't understand this. If Obama had an advantage in a group that was already admittedly skewing more Republican, then the margin of error should have been in his benefit as they would be more likely to say Romney, correct? So what the fark is this idiocy?

Instead they are saying "He won, according to our group of more Republican than not, but maybe he didn't because MoE could be equal to or exceed eleventy billion."
 
2012-10-17 01:05:31 PM

Cletus C.: CNN is now a right-wing mouthpiece?

Hardly. The headline spoke to the percentages being within the margin of error.

Why the anger?


Because that was more than the margin of error by their own admission, and they revealed their audience was more likely weighted toward Romney than anything?
 
2012-10-17 01:06:08 PM

Tarl3k: rofl, looked at the thread again without any filters and you KNOW it was a big Obama victory when even the retard-trolls are submitting half-assed attempts to say that Obama didn't win, or didn't win big enough.

/run-on sentence is run-on


meh. 0bama did a lot better than last time. But it is only a "big 0bama victory" relative to his last performance.

He came out swinging and the best he could do against Romney is to get a slight edge.
 
2012-10-17 01:06:50 PM
Apropos of nothing, I was listening to Diane Rehm this morning, and I heard one of her panelists (she had a VERY conservative panel on for some reason this morning) saying something akin to "Obama's loss in the first debate had the unfortunate effect of burying a lot of good news for the administration while we were busy talking about a Romney victory."

He said this as though, somehow, the media isn't responsible for what the media does. The media often likes to look at itself as though it is not a part of its own actions. I find this distasteful.
 
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