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2012-10-17 01:13:02 PM

xanadian: I'm afraid this is one of those instances where I'll have to side with the conservatards...

Check out the timeline further down in the article. Sure, he mentions "terror" on Sept. 12, but refuses to tie in the Libya incident as a terrorist attack on Sept. 25.

According to the article, anyway.


The speech he referenced was absolutely, positively about the incident in question, first off.

Second, the paragraph in question:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

The text very clearly refers the incident in question as an act of terror.

Furthermore, it is becoming increasingly clear that the attack did, indeed, use an existing protest as cover/excuse to begin the operation.

This is what it means to understand something in context.
 
2012-10-17 01:15:12 PM

Mentat: At least Limbaugh didn't wait 14 days to call her a terrorist.


republicans never wait to call anyone a terrorist.
 
2012-10-17 01:16:39 PM

WorldCitizen: Do those poor Republicans, always being picked on, need the help of the moderator? Can they not pick themselves up and not rely on someone else to do their work and make their case for them?


its interesting, isn't it? the contradictions are glaringly obvious: the big, strong John Galt types felled by a tiny little moderator just doing her job....and they can't get past it. they lost - they KNOW they lost...but they can't admit it. and if you can't admit you lost, that you failed, then how can you learn and improve? you can't. so they fail again...and again...and again....
 
2012-10-17 01:18:37 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: xanadian: I'm afraid this is one of those instances where I'll have to side with the conservatards...

Check out the timeline further down in the article. Sure, he mentions "terror" on Sept. 12, but refuses to tie in the Libya incident as a terrorist attack on Sept. 25.

According to the article, anyway.

The speech he referenced was absolutely, positively about the incident in question, first off.

Second, the paragraph in question:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

The text very clearly refers the incident in question as an act of terror.

Furthermore, it is becoming increasingly clear that the attack did, indeed, use an existing protest as cover/excuse to begin the operation.

This is what it means to understand something in context.


So why the hell did Crowley backtrack!? She's just making things worse, and now the conservatives have something ELSE to use. Her own goddamn admission! :/
 
2012-10-17 01:21:38 PM

xanadian: So why the hell did Crowley backtrack!? She's just making things worse, and now the conservatives have something ELSE to use. Her own goddamn admission! :/


I don't know the answer to that. I did, however, notice that she was quite concerned with how she appeared in the context as a moderator, instead of being mostly concerned with making sure the debate was informative. I think she was conflicted about her role.

But you'd have to ask her.
 
2012-10-17 01:23:19 PM

xanadian: I'm afraid this is one of those instances where I'll have to side with the conservatards...

Check out the timeline further down in the article. Sure, he mentions "terror" on Sept. 12, but refuses to tie in the Libya incident as a terrorist attack on Sept. 25.

According to the article, anyway.


This has been a winning strategy for the GOP. I have to hand it to them. Romney comes off looking like a complete asshole, politicizing the Libya ambassador killing, and they turn it around into a "Obama got the ambassador killed so you see, Romney politicizing it wasn't that bad after all" thing.

Kudos, GOP. Kudos.
 
2012-10-17 01:26:37 PM

Weaver95: Rush is saying that the GOP won, that debates don't matter and that you are stupid if you think Obama beat Romney. Oh, and that debates don't matter, but Romney won and Obama was stuttering and sweating and failure incarnate...not that it mattered because MODERATORS and the lying, so many lies and none of it mattered but if it did matter than Romney won.


I liked the part when he implied Fox News was part of a media conspiracy to make Romney look bad. Then he started saying the problem was that people were comparing Obama to Romney, when what they should have been doing was comparing Obama to Obama's performance in 2008, and since he wasn't as good last night as he was in 2008, that means Romney won.
 
2012-10-17 01:27:40 PM

Lando Lincoln:

This has been a winning strategy for the GOP. I have to hand it to them. Romney comes off looking like a complete asshole, politicizing the Libya ambassador killing, and they turn it around into a "Obama got the ambassador killed so you see, Romney politicizing it wasn't that bad after all" thing.

Kudos, GOP. Kudos.


Romney did NOT like being called out by Obama on that score. He was generally pissed off for the majority of the debate but getting a lecture from the President about where the lines are drawn did NOT go over well with Romney at all.
 
2012-10-17 01:29:49 PM

ShawnDoc: Weaver95: Rush is saying that the GOP won, that debates don't matter and that you are stupid if you think Obama beat Romney. Oh, and that debates don't matter, but Romney won and Obama was stuttering and sweating and failure incarnate...not that it mattered because MODERATORS and the lying, so many lies and none of it mattered but if it did matter than Romney won.

I liked the part when he implied Fox News was part of a media conspiracy to make Romney look bad. Then he started saying the problem was that people were comparing Obama to Romney, when what they should have been doing was comparing Obama to Obama's performance in 2008, and since he wasn't as good last night as he was in 2008, that means Romney won.


Did you catch Limbaugh calling Crowley a 'journalistic terrorist'? Rush is really off his game these days.
 
2012-10-17 01:31:12 PM
Because after the initial bit, they hemmed and hawed for the next few weeks, without firmly declaring their findings or actual position on the incident. She took Romney to task on the actual lie, but confirmed the waffling of the administration. She gave them bullets for their guns, but at the same time handed Obama a grenade.
 
2012-10-17 01:31:55 PM

Weaver95: Lando Lincoln:

This has been a winning strategy for the GOP. I have to hand it to them. Romney comes off looking like a complete asshole, politicizing the Libya ambassador killing, and they turn it around into a "Obama got the ambassador killed so you see, Romney politicizing it wasn't that bad after all" thing.

Kudos, GOP. Kudos.

Romney did NOT like being called out by Obama on that score. He was generally pissed off for the majority of the debate but getting a lecture from the President about where the lines are drawn did NOT go over well with Romney at all.


The way I see what happened:

Sept 12: Obama did, essentially, all but stop short of calling the Libya attack "terrorism." He sure didn't say it wasn't.
...TIME PASSES...
Sept 25: Obama essentially said, "the jury's still out."

I kind of wonder if Obama kinda-sorta backtracked on September 25. There's nothing wrong with saying you don't know all the facts yet. Because we didn't.

And this makes more sense, considering Obama's reaction at the debate, because Obama probably HAD meant that he thought the attack was terrorist in nature, but had to reel it back in a bit so he didn't come off as presumptuous.

At least, that's what I see.
 
2012-10-17 01:32:59 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The speech he referenced was absolutely, positively about the incident in question, first off.

Second, the paragraph in question:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

The text very clearly refers the incident in question as an act of terror.


Yeah, but INVISIBLE OBAMA said the following:

"No acts of terror - not that THIS incident was an act of terror, I'm just mentioning it today because this incident reminded me of actual acts of terror, that's all - will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."
 
2012-10-17 01:33:12 PM
Conservatives were outraged
 
2012-10-17 01:33:53 PM

Weaver95: Did you catch Limbaugh calling Crowley a 'journalistic terrorist'? Rush is really off his game these days.


Nah, missed that part. I don't listen to him other than on the drive in to work these days, and even then I often skip it.

Ever since he failed to stop McCain getting the 2008 nomination, Rush hasn't been anywhere near as fun to listen to as he used to be. That, plus losing ratings/advertising to guys like Hannity and Beck has caused Rush to get more extreme. I prefer to old partisan Rush who was having fun at his job, not the new paranoid schizophrenic Rush who always seems to be on the verge of having a heart attack on air.
 
2012-10-17 01:34:07 PM
I can't believe that there's people who think EnviroDude is serious.
 
2012-10-17 01:34:10 PM
Why? For politely interrupting Rmoney every time he went more than 100% past his time limit?
 
2012-10-17 01:34:11 PM

Elandriel: Because after the initial bit, they hemmed and hawed for the next few weeks, without firmly declaring their findings or actual position on the incident. She took Romney to task on the actual lie, but confirmed the waffling of the administration. She gave them bullets for their guns, but at the same time handed Obama a grenade.


Yeah, that. But I don't think it was "waffling." I still think Obama reeled it back a bit. He probably didn't want to come off as being 'OMG TURRIST!' without knowing all the facts first.
 
2012-10-17 01:34:34 PM
fark you guys! We're having a ladder and a glass of orange juice moderate the 3rd debate. Will that shut you assholes up?

/probably not
 
2012-10-17 01:34:36 PM
There are two things that are definitely true:

1. The set of people who won a debate and the set of people whining about the moderator is a null set.

2. The set of people who say "well it was a tie" and the set of people who did not lose a debate is a null set.
 
2012-10-17 01:35:27 PM

EnviroDude: Even the NFL had the decency to pull the replacement ref that was a Saints fan from officiating the Saints game. To expect as much courtesy in our debates, well, that is asking tooo much.

When you best hope of a win is to tag team with the moderator, then you really don't have much to run on;


Obviously. Only if you assume that acts of terror = terrorism.
 
2012-10-17 01:35:34 PM

lilbjorn: Why? For politely interrupting Rmoney every time he went more than 100% past his time limit?


Or correcting him when his statement did not jive with reality?
 
2012-10-17 01:35:36 PM

kronicfeld: EnviroDude: Even the NFL had the decency to pull the replacement ref that was a Saints fan from officiating the Saints game. To expect as much courtesy in our debates, well, that is asking tooo much.

When you best hope of a win is to tag team with the moderator, then you really don't have much to run on;

Get a new line.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7378391/79971963#c79971963

EnviroDude [TotalFark] 2012-10-12 12:46:33 PM

oldfarthenry: Poor Ryan. He spent hours in the gym doing all those crunchies & reps only to get slapped into submission by Biden's liver-spotted dick.

Considering that Martha Radzattz and Biden double teamed him, Ryan didn't do bad. I suppose if he had told Biden to STFU, then the left would have had puppies for him dissing the VP. Radzattz should have controlled the debate, but as she is in titz deep in the Obama campaign, you wouldn't expect anything less.

As I was told in High School by my coach, "When you are biatchin' about the refs or how the other teams acts, well, you're usually getting your arse kicked." Of course, even the NFL had the courtesy to remove the pro-Saints replacement ref from the Saints game he was scheduled to officiate. Guess having an insider to double team is fair if you are Obama and losing a campaign you were winning two weeks ago.


Well, the Saints *do* suck...
 
2012-10-17 01:36:14 PM

fruitloop: fark you guys! We're having a ladder and a glass of orange juice moderate the 3rd debate. Will that shut you assholes up?

/probably not


The orange juice was made from California oranges. LIBERAL California oranges.
 
2012-10-17 01:37:00 PM
Yeah. Complaining about the moderator means you know you lost. Suck it up.
 
2012-10-17 01:37:19 PM
If Republicans want to turn the national debate towards a war of semantics on an issue where independents overwhelmingly support our President, and their candidate looks like he's using the death of an American to score political points. I can get behind that.

Aside from that, I don't even know what their underlying point is on Benghazi. Is it that the President "apolugized fuhr Murica"? No one outside of their echo chamber believes that nonsense. Is it that the President should have prevented the attack on Benghazi? I was previously told that no President could ever foresee, much less prevent, acts of terrorism, even acts of terrorism in which you receive memos explicitly warning you of said attacks of terrorism. Besides, you do know that you're own Vice Presidential Candidate voted to slash the budget that provides defense and protection of diplomats overseas right?
 
2012-10-17 01:37:24 PM
I think part of what I find so fascinating about the GOP these days is their absolute belief that they are right and everyone else is wrong. there is zero doubt among any of them. the Democrats watched the first debate and most of them admitted that hey, Romney came out ahead. the GOP tho - Romney got his ass kicked last night and today ALL the Republicans are saying Romney won. they can't admit their guy did poorly.

that's amazing to watch...the almost fanatical religious belief in their own cause. scary sometimes too but still fascinating.
 
2012-10-17 01:37:32 PM

Weaver95: ShawnDoc: Weaver95: Rush is saying that the GOP won, that debates don't matter and that you are stupid if you think Obama beat Romney. Oh, and that debates don't matter, but Romney won and Obama was stuttering and sweating and failure incarnate...not that it mattered because MODERATORS and the lying, so many lies and none of it mattered but if it did matter than Romney won.

I liked the part when he implied Fox News was part of a media conspiracy to make Romney look bad. Then he started saying the problem was that people were comparing Obama to Romney, when what they should have been doing was comparing Obama to Obama's performance in 2008, and since he wasn't as good last night as he was in 2008, that means Romney won.

Did you catch Limbaugh calling Crowley a 'journalistic terrorist'? Rush is really off his game these days.


Rush might be worried that he's about to get Bained
 
2012-10-17 01:38:31 PM

Weaver95: i'm actually worried about the GOP. its looking like they've decided to simply ignore reality and not even bother trying to fix their own issues.


So alcoholics then.
 
2012-10-17 01:40:17 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh just accused the Candy of 'journalistic terrorism' against Romney. I can't make this shiat up. He's REALLY desperate today.


wait a minute...
was it "an act of journalistic terror" or "an act of journalistic terrorism"? because apparently there is a difference.
 
2012-10-17 01:41:26 PM

EnviroDude: Because the UN ambassador never said the video was responsible

/ Obama never attributed it as being terrorist attack

//unless acts of terror = terrorism


Nothing can make you look as stupid as yourself.
 
2012-10-17 01:41:45 PM

xanadian: The orange juice was made from California oranges. LIBERAL California oranges.


No, orange juice comes from Florida. Where that black kid was shot. So the moderator is a racist.
 
2012-10-17 01:41:53 PM
I decided to turn to Fox News after the debate and see what they were saying.

They started by saying it was a split. In Fox terms that means Obama won.

Then they went to a group of undecided voters and asked them who they think won. Romney of course was the answer. 90% of these people were over 60, and all were white.

Then Hannity said something like "when we return we'll discuss these two things that the President lied about".

All that in the two minutes I turned to Fox News. It amazes me that people think of them as a trusted news source.
 
2012-10-17 01:42:03 PM

EnviroDude: Even the NFL had the decency to pull the replacement ref that was a Saints fan from officiating the Saints game. To expect as much courtesy in our debates, well, that is asking tooo much.

When you best hope of a win is to tag team with the moderator, then you really don't have much to run on;


Yeah, the way she corrected a bald-faced lie from one party with those damned liberal leaning objective facts was REALLY flagrant.
 
2012-10-17 01:42:27 PM
She would have let it go (like every other falsehood or truthy point made that night) if Romney hadn't tried to challenge Obama on it. She was merely trying to facilitate the debate and not let two minutes get wasted on arguing over an easily verifiable fact.

It's Romney's fault. He doubled down and is now biatching that the dealer outdrew him on his two seventeens.
 
2012-10-17 01:42:55 PM

Aarontology: Weaver95: i'm actually worried about the GOP. its looking like they've decided to simply ignore reality and not even bother trying to fix their own issues.

They've been like that for at least three thirty years, dude.


FTFY
 
2012-10-17 01:43:55 PM

Gilligann: I decided to turn to Fox News after the debate and see what they were saying.

They started by saying it was a split. In Fox terms that means Obama won.

Then they went to a group of undecided voters and asked them who they think won. Romney of course was the answer. 90% of these people were over 60, and all were white.

Then Hannity said something like "when we return we'll discuss these two things that the President lied about".

All that in the two minutes I turned to Fox News. It amazes me that people think of them as a trusted news source.


Ideological people "trust" them as their echo chamber news source.
 
2012-10-17 01:44:04 PM

Aarontology: Weaver95: yeah but it's getting worse!

I'm really curious what they'll do when Obama wins re-election and the Democrats hold onto the Senate. Especially if the GOP loses seats in the House.

I'll bet Mitch McTurtle flat out says they're going to block everything and anything that comes through.


That's been their policy already, why would they change it?
 
2012-10-17 01:45:15 PM

That article sure is a lot of

ih2.redbubble.net
 
2012-10-17 01:45:49 PM
I think her interjection into the debate was inappropriate. But what is done cannot be undone. Beautiful.
 
2012-10-17 01:46:15 PM

wooden_badger: Rush might be worried that he's about to get Bained

pfffffffffchchchchchchch...


Poor Rush.

NOT
 
2012-10-17 01:46:28 PM
If rMoney lost why is he up in the Gallup poll even high than before the debate?

Link
 
2012-10-17 01:46:42 PM
The tragedy is that Candy did a really good job and will never be allowed to moderate another debate. She covered a lot of issues, got the candidates actually debating with each other rather than spouting talking points to the TV, and wouldn't allow them to pivot. And on top of that, she had to work with the town hall style where it's easiest for candidates to pivot. Even conservative commentator George Will called the debate the best in history.
 
2012-10-17 01:47:15 PM

EnviroDude: Even the NFL had the decency to pull the replacement ref that was a Saints fan from officiating the Saints game. To expect as much courtesy in our debates, well, that is asking tooo much.

When you best hope of a win is to tag team with the moderator, then you really don't have much to run on;


Especially with the audience clapping, right?!
 
2012-10-17 01:47:20 PM

Weaver95: I think part of what I find so fascinating about the GOP these days is their absolute belief that they are right and everyone else is wrong. there is zero doubt among any of them. the Democrats watched the first debate and most of them admitted that hey, Romney came out ahead. the GOP tho - Romney got his ass kicked last night and today ALL the Republicans are saying Romney won. they can't admit their guy did poorly.

that's amazing to watch...the almost fanatical religious belief in their own cause. scary sometimes too but still fascinating.


http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html

In judging this method of fixing belief, which may be called the method of authority, we must, in the first place, allow its immeasurable mental and moral superiority to the method of tenacity. Its success is proportionately greater; and, in fact, it has over and over again worked the most majestic results. The mere structures of stone which it has caused to be put together -- in Siam, for example, in Egypt, and in Europe -- have many of them a sublimity hardly more than rivaled by the greatest works of Nature. And, except the geological epochs, there are no periods of time so vast as those which are measured by some of these organized faiths. If we scrutinize the matter closely, we shall find that there has not been one of their creeds which has remained always the same; yet the change is so slow as to be imperceptible during one person's life, so that individual belief remains sensibly fixed. For the mass of mankind, then, there is perhaps no better method than this. If it is their highest impulse to be intellectual slaves, then slaves they ought to remain.
 
2012-10-17 01:47:26 PM
Fox looks tired.
 
2012-10-17 01:47:54 PM
Fox News can't figure out why a journalist would have problems allowing lies to be told as the truth.
 
2012-10-17 01:48:02 PM

wooden_badger: Weaver95: ShawnDoc: Weaver95: Rush is saying that the GOP won, that debates don't matter and that you are stupid if you think Obama beat Romney. Oh, and that debates don't matter, but Romney won and Obama was stuttering and sweating and failure incarnate...not that it mattered because MODERATORS and the lying, so many lies and none of it mattered but if it did matter than Romney won.

I liked the part when he implied Fox News was part of a media conspiracy to make Romney look bad. Then he started saying the problem was that people were comparing Obama to Romney, when what they should have been doing was comparing Obama to Obama's performance in 2008, and since he wasn't as good last night as he was in 2008, that means Romney won.

Did you catch Limbaugh calling Crowley a 'journalistic terrorist'? Rush is really off his game these days.

Rush might be worried that he's about to get Bained


now that was an interesting read. thanks for pointing it out!
 
2012-10-17 01:48:44 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh just accused the Candy of 'journalistic terrorism' against Romney. I can't make this shiat up. He's REALLY desperate today.


Words have goddamn meanings.

// not even convinced that Benghazi WAS a terrorist attack in the traditional definition
// if a CIA station was there, it was a legitimate target by a technical definition of military target
 
2012-10-17 01:48:51 PM

Weaver95: I think part of what I find so fascinating about the GOP these days is their absolute belief that they are right and everyone else is wrong


OMG. You just broke the record for interwebz projection.
 
2012-10-17 01:49:24 PM
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