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2012-10-17 11:36:45 AM
Which answer do you mean, submitter?

I see the answer about single mothers in there. Ctrl-F for 'gosh' will get you there.
 
2012-10-17 11:39:32 AM
Guns don't kill people. Single mothers kill people.
 
2012-10-17 11:40:59 AM
If only there were some way for the subby to have documented what he meant.
Some way to CUT AND PAST the example in the comment section here.

HEY DREW!!! We need the ability to post comments please!!
 
2012-10-17 11:43:20 AM
Really? Can you show me where? He even talked about how he brought the pro-gun and anti-gun crowds together to make the assault weapon ban happen in Mass.

Unless I missed something.
 
2012-10-17 11:43:59 AM

vernonFL: Guns don't kill people. Single mothers kill people.


And shiatty education.
 
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2012-10-17 11:50:37 AM
If living is a two parent family is good then wouldn't it be better to like in a three parent family or more? Being bisexual and polygamous sounds like it be even more secure against poverty.
 
2012-10-17 11:50:50 AM
And down the memory hole we gooooooooo....
 
2012-10-17 11:53:52 AM
OBAMA: The - first of all, I think Governor Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it. And he said that the reason he changed his mind was in part because he was seeking the endorsement of the National Rifle Association.
 
2012-10-17 11:54:15 AM
My wife stared in astonishment at the screen when he roundabout suggested that being a single parent means it's more likely your kid is going to shoot up a school or whatever. Then she spluttered incoherently, incapable of articulating the depth of her disgust. Then she threw her hands up in the air and walked away.

This is how I feel about Romney, too.
 
2012-10-17 11:59:54 AM

xanadian: Really? Can you show me where? He even talked about how he brought the pro-gun and anti-gun crowds together to make the assault weapon ban happen in Mass.

Unless I missed something.


You missed the fact that the AW ban in MA happened before Romney. Like him, however, you misunderstood what he signed.
 
2012-10-17 12:03:34 PM
well, to be fair, they do work for the GOP. it's their job to make romney look good.
 
2012-10-17 12:16:53 PM
The real scoop on Romney and MAs AWB:

http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/01/15/the-truth-about-mitt-romneys-reco r d-on-guns/

The Mass AWB was enacted in 1998, before R-Money was gov. He signed a loosening of the law, tying it more closely to the federal ban. His signing statement was wrong.
 
2012-10-17 12:16:54 PM

PreMortem: OBAMA: The - first of all, I think Governor Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it. And he said that the reason he changed his mind was in part because he was seeking the endorsement of the National Rifle Association.


I don't understand that... they were going to endorse him anyway, right? They pretty much endorse anyone with an R after their name.
 
2012-10-17 12:19:23 PM
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Video of Romney on gun control:
Link
 
2012-10-17 12:21:43 PM

impaler: [growlersoftware.com image 320x300]
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Video of Romney on gun control:
Link


In the second picture, is that Mitt Romney or Bruce Campbell doing a Mitt Romney impression?
 
2012-10-17 12:24:53 PM
The only difference between Mitt Romney and NRA members is that Romney's tiny penis wears a pair of impeccably ironed slacks.
 
2012-10-17 12:32:27 PM

dittybopper: xanadian: Really? Can you show me where? He even talked about how he brought the pro-gun and anti-gun crowds together to make the assault weapon ban happen in Mass.

Unless I missed something.

You missed the fact that the AW ban in MA happened before Romney. Like him, however, you misunderstood what he signed.


Ok, but I meant where in the *transcript* was stuff left out? Or was that it? Did Romney mention what you said, but FOX left it out of the transcript?

I guess a "Ctrl-F" would help me out...
 
2012-10-17 12:35:02 PM

FlashHarry: well, to be fair, they do work for the GOP. it's their job to make romney look good.


If they also started to try to inform viewers, that is when the conflict of interest would rear its ugly head. If they avoid that they are on firm footing ethically.
 
2012-10-17 12:37:20 PM

Elandriel: My wife stared in astonishment at the screen when he roundabout suggested that being a single parent means it's more likely your kid is going to shoot up a school or whatever. Then she spluttered incoherently, incapable of articulating the depth of her disgust. Then she threw her hands up in the air and walked away.

This is how I feel about Romney, too.


Seems to me he's looking at the symptoms and not the cause. Are single mothers more likely to be poor? Sure. But that's not WHY their kids are more prone to violence. There are going to be single mothers, whether you (the general "you," not YOU you) like it or not. There needs to be a better support structure for single mothers to help them be more independent AND to help them take care of their children.

But then, I'm reminded of the single mothers (or mothers with the "partner of the week") who keep pumping out children when they're not even able to afford the ones they have. Again, cheap access to contraception would help in this case. And restricting abortion will only hurt. But, there will always be cases where you just can't fix stupid. The children shouldn't suffer for it. It's why I liked the answer about beefing up our education standards. We should help children to maximize their potential and ... jesus christ I sound like I'm on the debate stage!

F*ck it, I'm out.
 
2012-10-17 12:46:55 PM
Kids from good homes with educations don't shoot people.

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2012-10-17 01:21:09 PM

vernonFL: Kids from good homes with educations don't shoot people.

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I may be wrong, but neither got a good education about guns. Me, on the other hand:

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I was born with a gun in my hand. Even worse, it was a flintlock, so the doc had to put extra stitches in mom afterwards, 'cause the flint was sharp.

/Don't go around with a dull flint.
 
2012-10-17 01:26:36 PM

sweetmelissa31: PreMortem: OBAMA: The - first of all, I think Governor Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it. And he said that the reason he changed his mind was in part because he was seeking the endorsement of the National Rifle Association.

I don't understand that... they were going to endorse him anyway, right? They pretty much endorse anyone with an R after their name.


Not really. Every election they endorse Democrats at the national level. Every election, including this one. They just care where you stand on guns.

In the case of R-Money, it's not that they necessarily like him all that much, so much as they really don't like Obama. Plus, they know they have to muscle to prevent just about any serious gun control from passing Congress, and that public opinion is, for the first time in something like 30+ years, is on their side.

What the NRA is really worried about is Supreme Court nominations. They see the bare 5 to 4 majorities in Heller and McDonald, and it makes them nervous. It would only take a single change from a conservative judge to a liberal one to screw it up.
 
2012-10-17 01:26:59 PM

impaler: [growlersoftware.com image 320x300]
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Video of Romney on gun control:
Link



Lulz. I can't believe the NRA actually endorsed this tool. Not that they aren't complete tools as well, but still...
 
2012-10-17 01:41:00 PM

cc_rider: impaler: [growlersoftware.com image 320x300]
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Video of Romney on gun control:
Link


Lulz. I can't believe the NRA actually endorsed this tool. Not that they aren't complete tools as well, but still...


From the perspective of the NRA, this election is all about Supreme Court nominations. Romney isn't their perfect candidate, but what they are worried about isn't legislation, but what might happen if Obama gets to replace one or more of the 5 justices that voted for Heller and McDonald. Because of stare decisis, they couldn't likely outright overturn those decisions, but they could narrow them considerably, because the contours of the individual right haven't been settled yet. A liberal court might end up ruling that yes, you have a right to own a handgun, but so long as you can own a .22 LR revolver, any laws restricting you from other, bigger, or higher capacity handguns are OK.

That is the sort of thing the NRA is worried about.
 
2012-10-17 01:43:42 PM

dittybopper: You missed the fact that the AW ban in MA happened before Romney.



I too believe in an Attention Whore ban.
 
But seriously, children of single parents (not just moms) face more difficulties than children of intact families.  How hard is it to say that Mitt?  Not, single mothers cause gun violence!!!
 
2012-10-17 02:16:28 PM

Elandriel: My wife stared in astonishment at the screen when he roundabout suggested that being a single parent means it's more likely your kid is going to shoot up a school or whatever. Then she spluttered incoherently, incapable of articulating the depth of her disgust. Then she threw her hands up in the air and walked away.

This is how I feel about Romney, too.


What he meant is that we have to bind the women to us. We cannot allow them to be single mothers, they must be bound and possibly collated. And stapled. Maybe stapled. He means we must copy the women, preferably on a good contrast setting, then staple or bind them in some manner, then catalogue them possibly by hotness. Faxing is not a preferred method, something is lost in the transmission. Microfiching the women is just wrong.

If we do this, our childrens will learn gooder and not shoot others like the blah people.
 
2012-10-17 02:32:11 PM
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2012-10-17 02:32:54 PM
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Surely, he's looking up and is proud of his protege Roger Ailes.
 
2012-10-17 02:33:29 PM

xanadian: vernonFL: Guns don't kill people. Single mothers kill people.

And shiatty education.


wait a minute...single mother kill shiatty education?
 
2012-10-17 02:33:36 PM
Fascist farks. Do you watch fox news? Then you are basically a piece of shiat. Fark yourself.
 
2012-10-17 02:33:43 PM
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This shiat just writes itself.
 
2012-10-17 02:34:40 PM
Any Fark Cons can explain the single parent line?

Is that some kind of code word about blah people that only Republicans know about?

I need to know!
 
2012-10-17 02:35:21 PM
Note: The screenshot of the transcript provided in my post is courtesy of Farker wippit
 
2012-10-17 02:38:11 PM

NateGrey: Any Fark Cons can explain the single parent line?

Is that some kind of code word about blah people that only Republicans know about?

I need to know!


Single mothers just give Republicans a stroke and have done so for a couple decades.
 
2012-10-17 02:39:13 PM

dethmagnetic: And down the memory hole we gooooooooo....


They wish.
 
2012-10-17 02:39:17 PM

vernonFL: Guns don't kill people. Single mothers kill people.


I don't know what made me angrier the fact that Romney had the nerve to go there or the fact that Obama fell for that like a dumbass and started yapping about families also. Heritable psychosis doesn't give a rats' ass whether you were raised in a two parent household.
 
2012-10-17 02:39:53 PM
Haha. Literally: "Lalalalala, I can't hear you!".
 
2012-10-17 02:40:52 PM

NateGrey: Any Fark Cons can explain the single parent line?

Is that some kind of code word about blah people that only Republicans know about?

I need to know!


Clearly the Romney Pivot-Issue Generator algorithm still has a few bugs.
 
2012-10-17 02:41:26 PM
They just did this to counteract the Liberal Media reporting the entire, unedited story as it actually happened!!
 
2012-10-17 02:43:25 PM

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And so what I want is a -- is a comprehensive strategy. Part of it is seeing if we can get automatic weapons that kill folks in amazing numbers out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. But part of it is also going deeper and seeing if we can get into these communities and making sure we catch violent impulses before they occur.

CROWLEY: Governor Romney, the question is about assault weapons, AK-47s.

ROMNEY: Yeah, I'm not in favor of new pieces of legislation on -- on guns and taking guns away or making certain guns illegal. We, of course, don't want to have automatic weapons, and that's already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons. What I believe is we have to do, as the president mentioned towards the end of his remarks there, which is to make enormous efforts to enforce the gun laws that we have, and to change the culture of violence that we have.


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And you ask how -- how are we going to do that? And there are a number of things. He mentioned good schools. I totally agree. We were able to drive our schools to be number one in the nation in my state. And I believe if we do a better job in education, we'll -- we'll give people the -- the hope and opportunity they deserve and perhaps less violence from that. But let me mention another thing. And that is parents. We need moms and dads, helping to raise kids. Wherever possible the -- the benefit of having two parents in the home, and that's not always possible. A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, that's a great idea.

Because if there's a two parent family, the prospect of living in poverty goes down dramatically. The opportunities that the child will -- will be able to achieve increase dramatically. So we can make changes in the way our culture works to help bring people away from violence and give them opportunity, and bring them in the American system. The -- the greatest failure we've had with regards to -- to gun violence in some respects is what -- what is known as Fast and Furious. Which was a program under this administration, and how it worked exactly I think we don't know precisely, where thousands of automatic, and AK-47 type weapons were -- were given to people that ultimately gave them to -- to drug lords.

They used those weapons against -- against their own citizens and killed Americans with them. And this was a -- this was a program of the government. For what purpose it was put in place, I can't imagine. But it's one of the great tragedies related to violence in our society which has occurred during this administration. Which I think the American people would like to understand fully, it's been investigated to a degree, but -- but the administration has carried out executive privilege to prevent all of the information from coming out.

I'd like to understand who it was that did this, what the idea was behind it, why it led to the violence, thousands of guns going to Mexican drug lords. OBAMA: Candy?

CROWLEY: Governor, Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that once were once banned and are no longer banned.

I know that you signed an assault weapons ban when you were in Massachusetts, obviously, with this question, you no longer do support that. Why is that, given the kind of violence that we see sometimes with these mass killings? Why is it that you have changed your mind?

ROMNEY: Well, Candy, actually, in my state, the pro-gun folks and the anti-gun folks came together and put together a piece of legislation. And it's referred to as an assault weapon ban, but it had, at the signing of the bill, both the pro-gun and the anti-gun people came together, because it provided opportunities for both that both wanted.

There were hunting opportunities, for instance, that haven't previously been available and so forth, so it was a mutually agreed- upon piece of legislation. That's what we need more of, Candy. What we have right now in Washington is a place that's gridlocked.

CROWLEY: So I could -- if you could get people to agree to it, you would be for it?

ROMNEY: We have --

OBAMA: Candy?

ROMNEY: -- we haven't had the leadership in Washington to work on a bipartisan basis. I was able to do that in my state and bring these two together.

CROWLEY: Quickly, Mr. President.

OBAMA: The -- first of all, I think Governor Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it. And he said that the reason he changed his mind was, in part, because he was seeking the endorsement of the National Rifle Association. So that's on the record.

But I think that one area we agree on is the important of parents and the importance of schools, because I do believe that if our young people have opportunity, then they are less likely to engage in these kinds of violent acts. We're not going to eliminate everybody who is mentally disturbed and we have got to make sure they don't get weapons.

(AUDIO GAP)

OBAMA: because I do believe that if our young people have opportunity, then they're less likely to engage in these kind of violent acts.

We're not going to eliminate everybody who is mentally disturbed

Hmm...seems that "four-minute" audio gap was mostly worked out.
 
2012-10-17 02:43:28 PM
To be honest, I stopped giving a flying fark about Fox News and it's bullshiat a long time ago....

I live in MA, one of the most restrictive states for firearm ownership, and own all the firearms I've ever wanted to own... Not once in my life have I felt fearful that my firearms were going to be taken away, nor has anyone threatened to take them away from me.

The NRA has some great training courses, and I recommend them, but aside from that, like Fox News, I don't really have much use for the NRA these days.
 
2012-10-17 02:43:36 PM

Elandriel: My wife stared in astonishment at the screen when he roundabout suggested that being a single parent means it's more likely your kid is going to shoot up a school or whatever. Then she spluttered incoherently, incapable of articulating the depth of her disgust. Then she threw her hands up in the air and walked away.


Yup. I think Obama could have nailed him harder on contraception and the "Personhood" bullsh*t -- and hopefully in the 3rd debate he will -- but still... yeah, Romney didn't handle that one very well at all.
 
2012-10-17 02:43:43 PM
Fox =/= News
 
2012-10-17 02:45:11 PM

WizardofToast: NateGrey: Any Fark Cons can explain the single parent line?

Is that some kind of code word about blah people that only Republicans know about?

I need to know!

Single mothers just give Republicans a stroke and have done so for a couple decades.


Well they did produce Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, history's greatest and second greatest monsters.
 
2012-10-17 02:45:53 PM

DeltaPunch: Elandriel: My wife stared in astonishment at the screen when he roundabout suggested that being a single parent means it's more likely your kid is going to shoot up a school or whatever. Then she spluttered incoherently, incapable of articulating the depth of her disgust. Then she threw her hands up in the air and walked away.

Yup. I think Obama could have nailed him harder on contraception and the "Personhood" bullsh*t -- and hopefully in the 3rd debate he will -- but still... yeah, Romney didn't handle that one very well at all.


It's painfully obvious that Romney doesn't like being argued with, disagreed with, corrected or spoken to "out of turn". If he becomes President, his advisors will be talking to an angry brick wall.
 
2012-10-17 02:46:46 PM

dittybopper: http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/01/15/the-truth-about-mitt-romneys-reco r d-on-guns/


That page could not be found or no longer exists.

Anyway, if the NRA weren't full of shiat they would not endorse either candidate in this race.
 
2012-10-17 02:47:03 PM

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Beat me to it. +1
 
2012-10-17 02:47:27 PM

Elandriel: My wife stared in astonishment at the screen when he roundabout suggested that being a single parent means it's more likely your kid is going to shoot up a school or whatever. Then she spluttered incoherently, incapable of articulating the depth of her disgust. Then she threw her hands up in the air and walked away.

This is how I feel about Romney, too.


My wife went 50 shades of red an walked out of the room before her head exploded. I heard some clanging around in the kitchen and just barely suppressed saying "Make me something to eat if you're on the stove anyway!" - I'm certain that my discretion saved my life.
 
2012-10-17 02:49:44 PM

Lunaville: vernonFL: Guns don't kill people. Single mothers kill people.

I don't know what made me angrier the fact that Romney had the nerve to go there or the fact that Obama fell for that like a dumbass and started yapping about families also. Heritable psychosis doesn't give a rats' ass whether you were raised in a two parent household.


I dunno man--I'm pretty liberal and I can admit that two parent households (barring if they aren't farking drug addicts of physically or mentally abusive) generally churns out higher performing kids. Two incomes allows for more spare income, etc, therefore more activities and enrichment for a kid.

I mean--I think the assumption that ONLY a two parent family can raise a kid is insane. Isn't there a ton of evidence that kids with single parents are much more likely to end up in Jail/ Dropping out/etc? I'm a schoolteacher--and while I'll bust my arse to work for the kids emotionally and academically--but the kids who are missing a parent usually really, really feel that loss, and that does actually usually hurt them in one of the categories in which I'm trying to help.

/Romney's still a farggin' icehole
 
2012-10-17 02:52:45 PM

NateGrey: Any Fark Cons can explain the single parent line?

Is that some kind of code word about blah people that only Republicans know about?

I need to know!


I'm not a conservative, but I think everyone can agree that good parenting is key in preventing children from gang life and street violence. No amount of parenting is going to prevent the Auroras and the Columbines of the world to happen, crazy is crazy. But the overwhelming majority of violent crime is not committed by psychos, but by regular people with terrible impulse control.

A single parent simply has twice the job to do. Plus, the majority of single parents are mothers, and most boys need a strong male influence in their lives. If a teenage boy doesn't have someone around who can intimidate him and remind him of his place when he's out of line, then he's going to take the mantle of Alpha Male before he's mentally ready to accept it. So he will either act out or have a much higher chance of falling into gang life, where there is the male dominated structure that he needs.

Single motherhood contribute to gang life significantly. Pretending it doesn't because admitting the truth just ignores sociology and behavior science.
 
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