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(Guardian)   The Gap attracts criticism for "manifest destiny" T-shirt, which is, as all Brits know, a crude expression of white pride, Euro-American racism, and ethnic cleansing   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 70
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2012-10-17 08:55:56 AM
Well, the Brits would know a thing or two about ethnic cleansing, imperialist expansion, and so forth. So they're just being a good neighbor and reminding us of our past bad habits so that we don't repeat them again.
 
2012-10-17 09:59:12 AM
The Germans have better shirts.
 
2012-10-17 09:59:29 AM
I've seen many things like this. A kids clothing store here was selling army-related t-shirts during the first Gulf Distraction, each one had a war-related word and a number, such as "battle" and 19. Yes, they had one that combined the word "combat" with the number 18.

Also, am I alone in noticing that UK Apple stores are being named Stormfront?
 
2012-10-17 10:01:28 AM
If you don't like manifest destiny you should have gotten out of our way.
 
2012-10-17 10:03:06 AM

fatalvenom: The Germans have better shirts.


Lebensraum?
 
2012-10-17 10:04:47 AM
Already sold out?
 
2012-10-17 10:07:01 AM
Whereas if it said "White Man's Burden" it would just be paying homage to Churchill.
 
2012-10-17 10:09:30 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: If you don't like manifest destiny you should have gotten out of our way.


Sheeit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yH4p2eNdN8A# t =820s
 
2012-10-17 10:12:23 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: If you don't like manifest destiny you should have gotten out of our way.


Sheeeit.
 
2012-10-17 10:18:10 AM

redking194: fatalvenom: The Germans have better shirts.

Lebensraum?


Nope..."browaun".
 
2012-10-17 10:20:00 AM
t2.gstatic.com

/hotlink
 
2012-10-17 10:20:39 AM
www.unliberaledwoman.com

Still totes cool, though.
 
2012-10-17 10:21:38 AM
The Brits are so cute when they're incomprehensible.
 
2012-10-17 10:22:25 AM
Westward the Star of Empire Makes It's Way?
 
2012-10-17 10:29:38 AM
They can have my "American Exceptionalism" T-shirt when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
 
2012-10-17 10:34:37 AM

Ebbelwoi: They can have my "American Exceptionalism" T-shirt when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.


God I farking hate that term. Why not just get a shirt that says, "I'm American, and Americans are the most awesome culture on the face of the earth! We are so much better than you, Canadians, Mexicans, Germans, British, Italians, Chinese, Brazilians, Japanese, Polish, and well, everyone else on Earth."
 
2012-10-17 10:36:52 AM
Meh... Euro/American dominance should be something we're proud of. On a planet of 7 billion people a minority has pulled this species kicking and screaming out of mud huts, and pushed us to the edge of scientific knowledge.
 
2012-10-17 10:38:43 AM

Ebbelwoi: They can have my "American Exceptionalism" T-shirt when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.


Want
 
2012-10-17 10:52:58 AM
Aww crap, and I was just getting set to launch my "54'40 or Fight!" brand of jeans and t-shirts
 
2012-10-17 10:56:07 AM

Baelz: Meh... Euro/American dominance should be something we're proud of. On a planet of 7 billion people a minority has pulled this species kicking and screaming out of mud huts, and pushed us to the edge of scientific knowledge.


Just a good thing the Arabs and Indians taught us all the stuff we lost in science and technology, when we were erasing and burning books and going from building massive aqueducts, big cities, and monuments to living back in mud huts again. Just think where we be if there wasn't that 600 years where we lost a thousand years of technology, mathematics, and science.
 
2012-10-17 10:57:13 AM

thecpt: Westward the Star of Empire Makes It's Way?


"It's"?
 
2012-10-17 10:57:21 AM

Cythraul: Ebbelwoi: They can have my "American Exceptionalism" T-shirt when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

God I farking hate that term. Why not just get a shirt that says, "I'm American, and Americans are the most awesome culture on the face of the earth! We are so much better than you, Canadians, Mexicans, Germans, British, Italians, Chinese, Brazilians, Japanese, Polish, and well, everyone else on Earth."


That's the XXXL version. For those of us who are behind the curve on American obesity, we stick with American Exceptionalism or Manifest Destiny.
 
2012-10-17 11:00:03 AM

Ebbelwoi: They can have my "American Exceptionalism" T-shirt when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.


Why? You could easily find another one at any NASCAR race or Stuckey's.
 
2012-10-17 11:00:47 AM

Cythraul: Well, the Brits would know a thing or two about ethnic cleansing, imperialist expansion, and so forth. So they're just being a good neighbour and reminding us of our past bad habits so that we don't repeat them again.


The problem with us is that even at the time, while we were acquiring the worlds largest Empire, people back at home were saying "this is wrong, shouldn't do it", and now the Empire has turned into the Commonwealth those fannypants Guardian people are now the overwhelming majority. It's not really hypocritical, it's just annoying. They're all ashamed of our past, as if we should be sorry for something our great great grandparents did, and since we share similar ancestry for the most part they see attacking the white man in America and his actions as just another way of attacking our own history.

Manifest destiny is a great phrase that sums up a spirit, a will to survive, thrive and advance. I don't begrudge Europeans for their conquest of the Americas any more than I do any other ethnicity for their invasion of their land, which I think every single population has been guilty of at some point in their history.

Some people are too sensitive if they're going to be upset over words on a tshirt.
 
2012-10-17 11:10:19 AM
America! fark Yeah!
 
2012-10-17 11:19:57 AM

Slaxl: Cythraul: Well, the Brits would know a thing or two about ethnic cleansing, imperialist expansion, and so forth. So they're just being a good neighbour and reminding us of our past bad habits so that we don't repeat them again.

The problem with us is that even at the time, while we were acquiring the worlds largest Empire, people back at home were saying "this is wrong, shouldn't do it", and now the Empire has turned into the Commonwealth those fannypants Guardian people are now the overwhelming majority. It's not really hypocritical, it's just annoying. They're all ashamed of our past, as if we should be sorry for something our great great grandparents did, and since we share similar ancestry for the most part they see attacking the white man in America and his actions as just another way of attacking our own history.

Manifest destiny is a great phrase that sums up a spirit, a will to survive, thrive and advance. I don't begrudge Europeans for their conquest of the Americas any more than I do any other ethnicity for their invasion of their land, which I think every single population has been guilty of at some point in their history.

Some people are too sensitive if they're going to be upset over words on a tshirt.


I agree completely. And, honestly, I don't even have a problem with "American Exceptionalism". There is nothing wrong with striving for a goal of being the best. Saying the term doesn't automatically make you president, it just gives you something reinforcing to succeed, bulletin board material if you will. People these days are offended when you try to be the best. Fark that. I want to be the best at everything I do. If that is an American only ideal in modern Western culture, and this article reinforces that somewhat, then the name is appropriate, though we know that there are certain East Asian cultures that have similar ideals, and we know all about the Austrians and Germans as well, at least when they're not feeling guilty for their past.
 
2012-10-17 11:21:36 AM

Slaxl: Cythraul: Well, the Brits would know a thing or two about ethnic cleansing, imperialist expansion, and so forth. So they're just being a good neighbour and reminding us of our past bad habits so that we don't repeat them again.

The problem with us is that even at the time, while we were acquiring the worlds largest Empire, people back at home were saying "this is wrong, shouldn't do it", and now the Empire has turned into the Commonwealth those fannypants Guardian people are now the overwhelming majority. It's not really hypocritical, it's just annoying. They're all ashamed of our past, as if we should be sorry for something our great great grandparents did, and since we share similar ancestry for the most part they see attacking the white man in America and his actions as just another way of attacking our own history.

Manifest destiny is a great phrase that sums up a spirit, a will to survive, thrive and advance. I don't begrudge Europeans for their conquest of the Americas any more than I do any other ethnicity for their invasion of their land, which I think every single population has been guilty of at some point in their history.

Some people are too sensitive if they're going to be upset over words on a tshirt.


2.5/10 - You'll get some bits - decent work there
 
2012-10-17 11:28:53 AM

AliceBToklasLives: 2.5/10 - You'll get some bits - decent work there


If it's decent work shouldn't I get more than 2.5? Your scoring metric is flawed, but then most people who respond to everything with a "3/10" trolling score, and can't spell "bites", are lacking in brain power.

It wasn't a troll, it was a statement that I am not ashamed of the past, and people are too sensitive. I guess then that you are one of those lackwits that are too sensitive.
 
2012-10-17 11:46:46 AM
...and?
 
2012-10-17 11:53:50 AM
Just added to my Christmas list.
 
2012-10-17 12:00:06 PM

Slaxl: AliceBToklasLives: 2.5/10 - You'll get some bits - decent work there

If it's decent work shouldn't I get more than 2.5? Your scoring metric is flawed, but then most people who respond to everything with a "3/10" trolling score, and can't spell "bites", are lacking in brain power.

It wasn't a troll, it was a statement that I am not ashamed of the past, and people are too sensitive. I guess then that you are one of those lackwits that are too sensitive.


Exactly, I like the general end goal of things like Manifest Destiny (one unified and successful state) or Exceptionalism (lets be the best). The trick is just to do it without the killing of local peoples or systemic racism. I do think my ancestors did some bad things but I'm not ashamed of what they built, just ashamed of some of their means to the end.
 
2012-10-17 12:12:10 PM

Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: I've seen many things like this. A kids clothing store here was selling army-related t-shirts during the first Gulf Distraction, each one had a war-related word and a number, such as "battle" and 19. Yes, they had one that combined the word "combat" with the number 18.


Don't get it.

ha-ha-guy: Slaxl: AliceBToklasLives: 2.5/10 - You'll get some bits - decent work there

If it's decent work shouldn't I get more than 2.5? Your scoring metric is flawed, but then most people who respond to everything with a "3/10" trolling score, and can't spell "bites", are lacking in brain power.

It wasn't a troll, it was a statement that I am not ashamed of the past, and people are too sensitive. I guess then that you are one of those lackwits that are too sensitive.

Exactly, I like the general end goal of things like Manifest Destiny (one unified and successful state) or Exceptionalism (lets be the best). The trick is just to do it without the killing of local peoples or systemic racism. I do think my ancestors did some bad things but I'm not ashamed of what they built, just ashamed of some of their means to the end.


I can't really feel ashamed for something I never had a hand or a choice in.
 
2012-10-17 12:30:45 PM

Slaxl: Cythraul: Well, the Brits would know a thing or two about ethnic cleansing, imperialist expansion, and so forth. So they're just being a good neighbour and reminding us of our past bad habits so that we don't repeat them again.

The problem with us is that even at the time, while we were acquiring the worlds largest Empire, people back at home were saying "this is wrong, shouldn't do it", and now the Empire has turned into the Commonwealth those fannypants Guardian people are now the overwhelming majority. It's not really hypocritical, it's just annoying. They're all ashamed of our past, as if we should be sorry for something our great great grandparents did, and since we share similar ancestry for the most part they see attacking the white man in America and his actions as just another way of attacking our own history.

Manifest destiny is a great phrase that sums up a spirit, a will to survive, thrive and advance. I don't begrudge Europeans for their conquest of the Americas any more than I do any other ethnicity for their invasion of their land, which I think every single population has been guilty of at some point in their history.

Some people are too sensitive if they're going to be upset over words on a tshirt.


people have an unrealistic view of how the world works. the british empire was by every definition of the word great...it was huge, powerful, wealthy, progressive, and did more than any one human entity to bring about this modern relatively liberal world we all know and value...but it was also very bloody killing millions either directly or indirectly, as it climbed to power and then held that power. thing is you can't find any human social/political/economic entity, idea, movement that has actually had an impact on the world that isn't caked in blood and shiat...most are bloodier and shiattier than the british empire and achieved far,far less.

it is right to be proud of the british empire, it is also right to recognize all that nastiness that went along with it and realize that's pretty much how stuff works.
 
2012-10-17 12:32:18 PM

Magorn: Aww crap, and I was just getting set to launch my "54'40 or Fight!" brand of jeans and t-shirts


Why does that sound like the name of a late-'90s vaguely christian ska band?
 
2012-10-17 01:03:58 PM
Better T-shirt

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-17 01:13:00 PM
What's next, the Krystalnacht line of bling?

Seriously, dumb, dumb, dumb idea to use MD as anything.
 
2012-10-17 01:26:38 PM

under a mountain: Better T-shirt

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 500x281]


It would be even better if it was transparent. Or, better yet, if it was located about four feet to either the right or the left.
 
2012-10-17 01:43:55 PM

bhcompy: People these days are offended when you try to be the best. Fark that. I want to be the best at everything I do. If that is an American only ideal in modern Western culture, and this article reinforces that somewhat, then the name is appropriate, though we know that there are certain East Asian cultures that have similar ideals, and we know all about the Austrians and Germans as well, at least when they're not feeling guilty for their past.


The problem isn't trying to be the best. The problem is assuming that you're the best, while making no effort whatsoever to actually be it. And that problem is widespread as hell. If people spent more time striving for excellence and less time talking about how great they are, we'd all be a lot better off.
 
2012-10-17 01:44:06 PM

Znuh: What's next, the Krystalnacht line of bling?

Seriously, dumb, dumb, dumb idea to use MD as anything.


You sound defeated
 
2012-10-17 01:47:28 PM
Just to be clear in case any of the Americans posting here who seem to be misunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "American exceptionalism" are not just trolling:

It does not mean exceptional as in "these cookies are exceptional!" (i.e., the best)
It means exceptional as in "America is God's chosen state so it doesn't need to obey international law." (i.e., exempt from the rules, a special case)
 
2012-10-17 01:52:01 PM

you have pee hands:The problem isn't trying to be the best. The problem is assuming that you're the best, while making no effort whatsoever to actually be it. And that problem is widespread as hell. If people spent more time striving for excellence and less time talking about how great they are, we'd all be a lot better off.

YourOwnMedicine: Just to be clear in case any of the Americans posting here who seem to be misunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "American exceptionalism" are not just trolling:

It does not mean exceptional as in "these cookies are exceptional!" (i.e., the best)
It means exceptional as in "America is God's chosen state so it doesn't need to obey international law." (i.e., exempt from the rules, a special case)


THESE.
 
2012-10-17 01:52:38 PM

liam76: Jesus Burnt My Hotdog: I've seen many things like this. A kids clothing store here was selling army-related t-shirts during the first Gulf Distraction, each one had a war-related word and a number, such as "battle" and 19. Yes, they had one that combined the word "combat" with the number 18.

Don't get it.

ha-ha-guy: Slaxl: AliceBToklasLives: 2.5/10 - You'll get some bits - decent work there

If it's decent work shouldn't I get more than 2.5? Your scoring metric is flawed, but then most people who respond to everything with a "3/10" trolling score, and can't spell "bites", are lacking in brain power.

It wasn't a troll, it was a statement that I am not ashamed of the past, and people are too sensitive. I guess then that you are one of those lackwits that are too sensitive.

Exactly, I like the general end goal of things like Manifest Destiny (one unified and successful state) or Exceptionalism (lets be the best). The trick is just to do it without the killing of local peoples or systemic racism. I do think my ancestors did some bad things but I'm not ashamed of what they built, just ashamed of some of their means to the end.

I can't really feel ashamed for something I never had a hand or a choice in.


Particularly when it wasn't as one-sided as the self-haters like to think. There were two vastly different ways of life and they simply weren't all that compatible. Once the violence started there was little doubt how it would end. Imagine if the OWS protesters became violent. We would put the farkers down lickety split - wouldn't matter if they had some good points. You know that a hundred years later some douche nozzles would be navel gazing over how wrong it was to do that. Siding with the injuns isn't all that different than sympathizing with the old crotchety white dude who complains about all the knee grows that moved into his neighborhood. Sorry, but it wasn't yours and if you don't like how it looks now, that's just too farking bad. You can move or take up arms. If you take up arms I'm not going to cry over your oppression later.
 
2012-10-17 01:57:20 PM
And from another article:

While it might be nice to think that it's some sort of inspirational mantra, maybe based on The Law of Attraction-Create your own life path! Manifest your destiny!-as McNairy and the PR department of Gap, Inc., have learned, "Manifest Destiny" actually refers to the mid-19th century mindset that white Americans had a divine obligation to claim as much of the continent as possible for themselves, slaughtering and oppressing native people in the process.

The term was coined in 1845 by John O'Sullivan, a newspaper editor at the Democratic Review, who wrote that the United states should annex Texas and claim the Oregon Country because "that claim is by the right of our manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us." It also was used to justify the idea that people with darker skin were "heathen," "backwards," and otherwise less than human.
 
2012-10-17 02:15:16 PM

YourOwnMedicine: Just to be clear in case any of the Americans posting here who seem to be misunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "American exceptionalism" are not just trolling:

It does not mean exceptional as in "these cookies are exceptional!" (i.e., the best)
It means exceptional as in "America is God's chosen state so it doesn't need to obey international law." (i.e., exempt from the rules, a special case)


Thanks, we were clear on that
 
2012-10-17 03:10:55 PM

Znuh: And from another article:

While it might be nice to think that it's some sort of inspirational mantra, maybe based on The Law of Attraction-Create your own life path! Manifest your destiny!-as McNairy and the PR department of Gap, Inc., have learned, "Manifest Destiny" actually refers to the mid-19th century mindset that white Americans had a divine obligation to claim as much of the continent as possible for themselves, slaughtering and oppressing native people in the process.

The term was coined in 1845 by John O'Sullivan, a newspaper editor at the Democratic Review, who wrote that the United states should annex Texas and claim the Oregon Country because "that claim is by the right of our manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us." It also was used to justify the idea that people with darker skin were "heathen," "backwards," and otherwise less than human.


And 150 year old thinking belongs 150 years ago. I'm not going to feel sorry because I see positives now for a wrong that happened generations ago. From a present results oriented point of view as a nation, Manifest Destiny was a good thing, despite everything that is wrong with it when tested against today's morals and ethics.
 
2012-10-17 03:16:20 PM

jim32rr: YourOwnMedicine: Just to be clear in case any of the Americans posting here who seem to be misunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "American exceptionalism" are not just trolling:

It does not mean exceptional as in "these cookies are exceptional!" (i.e., the best)
It means exceptional as in "America is God's chosen state so it doesn't need to obey international law." (i.e., exempt from the rules, a special case)

Thanks, we were clear on that


I wasn't. I've never defended 'american exceptionalism', but I didn't know the definition either. I think your version might be a bastardized version of the original, which actually meant 'we're better'.

If you don't mind (I'm genuinely curious), can you cite where 'american exceptionalism' was specifically used as rationale for not obeying international laws?
 
2012-10-17 03:16:57 PM

liam76: I can't really feel ashamed for something I never had a hand or a choice in.



And here is someone who knows a little about Manifest Destiny.

Too bad your team has to exterminate its vermin in the media age, lol
 
2012-10-17 03:23:05 PM

you have pee hands: The problem isn't trying to be the best. The problem is assuming that you're the best, while making no effort whatsoever to actually be it. And that problem is widespread as hell. If people spent more time striving for excellence and less time talking about how great they are, we'd all be a lot better off.


Which is fine, but you take it too personally. It's a frame of mind. Bravado is an American ideal, historically. The Declaration of Independence basically was a public biatch slap directed towards the British monarchy, full of what people would call "American spirit". Teddy Roosevelt famously said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick", but Teddy was fully of bravado. He spoke loudly and carried a big stick, and he was loved for it, and is still revered today. The frame of mind inspires confidence in yourself and others. You take it personally as if you're being castrated by it, but that's not the point of it. It's an internal memo, a rallying cry, a pep talk, not external propaganda.
 
2012-10-17 03:29:18 PM
But in England you can say "Enjoy my spotted dick" and no one bats an eye.
 
2012-10-17 03:39:42 PM

bhcompy: And 150 year old thinking belongs 150 years ago. I'm not going to feel sorry because I see positives now for a wrong that happened generations ago. From a present results oriented point of view as a nation, Manifest Destiny was a good thing, despite everything that is wrong with it when tested against today's morals and ethics.


The idea of Manifest Destiny didn't end because our morals improved or we realized kicking Indians off their land was bad, Manifest Destiny ended because we ran out of easy, mostly empty land to take. If tomorrow we suddenly discovered a continent inhabited by stone age tribes they'd be forced off their land within a generation to make room for oil rigs and towns.

We talk about how Manifest Destiny was bad and we wouldn't do that. But we only take the high road because we don't have the opportunity to take the low.
 
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